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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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One of the missions of the two anointed is to reunite the northern kingdom with the southern kingdom

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Once the two kingdoms are reunited on earth then you will have earth as the southern kingdom and heaven will be the northern kingdom

The earthly southern kingdom will be the davidic/levitic order kingdom and the heavenly northern kingdom will be made up of the melchelzedek order kingdom

The goal is to first reunite the two earthly kingdoms so that once they are united they will be able to unite with the heavenly northern kingdom once the fullness of the juesIsraelites comes to fruition as after the 1000 year millennium comes to the end the world will be very full of the earthly southern kingdom people to join the heavenly northern kingdom saints.

Jesus didn’t have those mansions in heaven built just so the bride could live there for 7 years.....mansions should last more than 7 years....lol

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Checks and balances friend....God isn’t going to put one person in charge of everything...therefore he will give a law giver and an interpreter of the law.....even Jesus knows power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.....earthly dominion is divided between the kingship and the priesthood.....earth is always separation of church and state to separate authority on earth....no one man will have ultimate dictatorship.....that is a recipe for failure .


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Checks and balances friend....God isn’t going to put one person in charge of everything...therefore he will give a law giver and an interpreter of the law.....even Jesus knows power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.....earthly dominion is divided between the kingship and the priesthood.


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Why renew a law that has enriched so many evil people by design and hurt so many innocents, especially when the only purpose of it is so that the evil people stay rich and in power? Why do you lie to the disadvantaged? Don't you feel bad about doing that?
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Checks and balances friend....God isn’t going to put one person in charge of everything...therefore he will give a law giver and an interpreter of the law.....even Jesus knows power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.....earthly dominion is divided between the kingship and the priesthood.


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Why renew a law that has enriched so many evil people by design and hurt so many innocents, especially when the only purpose of it is so that the evil people stay rich and in power? Why do you lie to the disadvantaged? Don't you feel bad about doing that?
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Because the 2 in charge won’t be evil
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Checks and balances friend....God isn’t going to put one person in charge of everything...therefore he will give a law giver and an interpreter of the law.....even Jesus knows power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.....earthly dominion is divided between the kingship and the priesthood.


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Why renew a law that has enriched so many evil people by design and hurt so many innocents, especially when the only purpose of it is so that the evil people stay rich and in power? Why do you lie to the disadvantaged? Don't you feel bad about doing that?
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Because the 2 in charge won’t be evil
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The law itself is evil, and will be redesigned to continue to serve evil. It's a renewal of the law, which means that all the people who profited from it will continue to do so. And kingmakers are much more powerful than kings, so I don't know where you're getting this 'in charge' garbage from.
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Checks and balances friend....God isn’t going to put one person in charge of everything...therefore he will give a law giver and an interpreter of the law.....even Jesus knows power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.....earthly dominion is divided between the kingship and the priesthood.


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Why renew a law that has enriched so many evil people by design and hurt so many innocents, especially when the only purpose of it is so that the evil people stay rich and in power? Why do you lie to the disadvantaged? Don't you feel bad about doing that?
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Because the 2 in charge won’t be evil
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The law itself is evil, and will be redesigned to continue to serve evil. It's a renewal of the law, which means that all the people who profited from it will continue to do so. And kingmakers are much more powerful than kings, so I don't know where you're getting this 'in charge' garbage from.
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Jeremiah 30:9

But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up to them


If you are a Christian Right now saved by grace or a trib saint who will be beheaded during armeghedon you won’t have to worry about these two ruling over you...lol

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Why renew a law that has enriched so many evil people by design and hurt so many innocents, especially when the only purpose of it is so that the evil people stay rich and in power? Why do you lie to the disadvantaged? Don't you feel bad about doing that?
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Because the 2 in charge won’t be evil
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The law itself is evil, and will be redesigned to continue to serve evil. It's a renewal of the law, which means that all the people who profited from it will continue to do so. And kingmakers are much more powerful than kings, so I don't know where you're getting this 'in charge' garbage from.
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Jeremiah 30:9

But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up to them


If you are a Christian Right now saved by grace or a trib saint who will be beheaded and live through armeghedon you won’t have to worry about these two ruling over you...lol
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Not a Christian, thanks. Also, I know there's no amount they could make me suffer that would make up for my non-compliance to them. And people who operate that way are never good. Try again.
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Because the 2 in charge won’t be evil
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The law itself is evil, and will be redesigned to continue to serve evil. It's a renewal of the law, which means that all the people who profited from it will continue to do so. And kingmakers are much more powerful than kings, so I don't know where you're getting this 'in charge' garbage from.
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Jeremiah 30:9

But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up to them


If you are a Christian Right now saved by grace or a trib saint who will be beheaded and live through armeghedon you won’t have to worry about these two ruling over you...lol
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Not a Christian, thanks. Also, I know there's no amount they could make me suffer that would make up for my non-compliance to them. And people who operate that way are never good. Try again.
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Your non compliance means nothing for the next life if you don’t know why you were non compliant

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You have to keep in mind Jesus himself said “my kingdom is not of this earthly realm”....it is of the heavenly realm.”

John 18:36:
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jues; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm."

Jesus knew the two anointed messiah Ben David and messiah ben Joseph would rule on earth during the millennium to bring salvation on earth to the jues/Israelites and armeghedon surviving gentiles........why? Because Moses was supposed to speak to the rock in the desert to bring forth water but instead he struck it 2 more times. By striking the “rock” which represented Christ(the anointed) 2 more times made it necessary to bring forth two more anointed to drink from the cup Jesus drank from...that’s why when the sons of thunder james and John asked to sit on Jesus’ left and right when he entered his kingdom Jesus asked “can you drink from the cup I drink from?”

Mark 10:
35 And James and John, the sons of Zebedee, come unto him, saying, Master, we would that thou shouldest do for us whatsoever we shall desire.
36 And he said unto them, What would ye that I should do for you?
37 They said unto him, Grant unto us that we may sit, one on thy right hand, and the other on thy left hand, in thy glory.
38 But Jesus said unto them, Ye know not what ye ask: can ye drink of the cup that I drink of? and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with?

Jesus came to bring in the 2000 year dispensation of grace to get his gentile bride to dwell in heaven during the 1000 year millennium and bring salvation to the tribulation saints to serve in the throne room during the 1000 year millennium. Jesus never wanted to be in charge of the earthly realm kingdom...the earthly realm kingdom is inferior to the heavenly realm kingdom.....Jesus is heavenly realm melchelzedek order both King and High Priest ruling from heaven with the bride,the tribulation saints and the Old Testament saints during the 1000 year millennium......the two earthly anointed divide the kingship and high priesthood on earth because earthly dominion is always less than heavenly dominion

The purpose of the millennium is to allow the two anointed to lead the jues/Israelites/armeghedon gentiles to salvation through Jesus and to make them holy by following the law because Satan will be bound for the 1000 year millennium

Zechariah 8:23 tells us earthly dwelling gentiles will grab a hold of a jues skirts to ask about knowledge of God would be proving Christians were wrong about Jesus if they were dwelling on earth during the millennium......again showing these gentiles aren’t the bride or the tribulation saints who are dwelling in heaven for the 1000 year millennium....these gentiles are the survivors of armaghedon and need knowledge of God.

Zech 8:23

Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jues, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you. If this was so it would be proving Christians were wrong about Jesus.....again showing these gentiles aren’t the bride or the tribulation saints who are dwelling in heaven for the 1000 year millennium....these gentiles are the survivors of armaghedon and need knowledge of God.

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Exodus 4:22:
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

When reading the servant chapters in Isaiah 40’s notice the scriptures keep referring to the servant as Jacob “AND” Israel over and over. What God is doing is he is speaking of the two anointed who are coming. Notice exodus 4:22 tells us Israel is my first born so when the chapters are speaking to Israel it is speaking of the firstborn position holder. But notice it is also talking to Jacob. Who is Jacob? He is the 2nd born birthright holder. So when the scriptures are talking about Jacob they are talking about the 2nd born birthright holder servant.....The lord is speaking to both anointed at the same time when he says “Jacob “AND” Israel

Who received the greatest blessings when jacob handed out blessings to his sons? Judah received the 1st born blessing because Reuben Levi and Simeon all screwed up so judah received the 1st born blessing which is the scepter/kingship......the next blessing was Joseph’s and what was he given? He was given the birthright...1 chronicles 5:2 Judah receives the scepter but the birthright is Joseph’s....messiah Ben Joseph will use the birthright to become high priest on earth during the millennium

So in summary when it says Israel it is speaking of the 1st born servant which will be messiah Ben judah/David and when it says Jacob it is speaking of 2nd born birthright holder which is messiah Ben Joseph because his line was awarded the birthright


We see in Isaiah 43 first verse who is being spoken to....Jacob “AND” Israel....the 2nd born and the first born......skip down to verse 10 and it tells you who these two anointed are......they are Gods “Witnesses”

1 But now thus saith the Lord that created thee, O Jacob, and he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name; thou art mine.

2 When thou passest through the waters, I will be with thee; and through the rivers, they shall not overflow thee: when thou walkest through the fire, thou shalt not be burned; neither shall the flame kindle upon thee.

3 For I am the Lord thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt for thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

4 Since thou wast precious in my sight, thou hast been honourable, and I have loved thee: therefore will I give men for thee, and people for thy life.

5 Fear not: for I am with thee: I will bring thy seed from the east, and gather thee from the west;

6 I will say to the north, Give up; and to the south, Keep not back: bring my sons from far, and my daughters from the ends of the earth;

7 Even every one that is called by my name: for I have created him for my glory, I have formed him; yea, I have made him.

8 Bring forth the blind people that have eyes, and the deaf that have ears.

9 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the people be assembled: who among them can declare this, and shew us former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified: or let them hear, and say, It is truth.

10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
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The kingdom age/millennium according to Ezekiel and Jeremiah will be davidic/levitic which means separation of kingship and priesthood which makes it impossible for Jesus to rule on earth during the millennium because he holds both offices and wouldn’t give one up just to be in charge of the levitic priesthood...How does Jesus resolve this dilemma? He raises up the two anointed and we see over and over David will be king on earth which by process of elimination makes the other anointed the earthly high priest

Learn the earthly laws and the heavenly laws and you will learn much. Earthly laws will even restrict Jesus from ruling on earth...but he will rule from his heavenly realm and that is where he wants to rule from that the earthly gentiles and jues/Israelites can be saved by faith in Jesus
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The scriptures say it
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Even the disciples knew Elijah had to arrive before the moshiach arrives.....if you don’t see your Elijah on stage then you are not going on the stage yet...you should step on the stage the same year as Elijah because I’m pretty sure he is going to mention you once he steps on stage...lol....so don’t be so sure it will be a few more years before you step up. Might wanna re-read ezekiel 19






Matthew 17:

10 And his disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come?

11 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.

12 But I say unto you, That Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.

13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.



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They want to have 200 million Americans vaccinated and dna changed rendering them unredeemable by October 2021. If the population is 330 million that leaves the bride who will be leaving and a small remnant for the first anointed messiah Ben Joseph to gather...if we waited for 2022 for Joseph to arrive nearly everyone would be vaccinated or imprisoned...so it appears 2021 will be the arrival of the first anointed as it appears the vaccination is to bring forth the fist anointed.....changing human dna is what brings forth judgement from God....hence advancing things quickly

You aren’t Joseph friend as someone can see you and if someone can see you then you aren’t Joseph..Joseph has no possibility of 1st born judah blessing of the kingship/scepter and that is what your David blessing is..you can’t combine the 1st born scepter blessing with the 2nd born birthright blessing on earth....the 2nd born can always see the 1st born before the 1st born can see the 2nd born ....lol...learn who receives what blessing friend...you are only the 1st born which voids you of being Joseph the birthright holder ....have a good night

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If you are David...you are the scepter blessing which is the kingship...which means you have the Judah blessing...Judah’s are blind to seeing Joseph’s and yet Joseph’s aren’t promised blindness to seeing Judahs......look for the least likely prospect person that can see who you are and you will find the other anointed.... this Joseph will be described like this......”he came to his own and his own received him not.”

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Pentecost seems to be the next feast that Jesus will fulfill by harvesting the wheat/bride....also true Pentecost which is actually 50 days after traditional Shavuot making Pentecost a summer harvest.

True Pentecost:

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Pentecost is also a dispensation changer as we see the age of the law began at mt. Sinai on Pentecost during Moses time and later the age of grace during Jesus time began on Pentecost....it would make sense for the age of grace to end on Pentecost to bring in the next dispensation

During Moses time the people made the golden calf to worship as it represented the age of Taurus. Moses destroyed the golden calf representing the end of the age of Taurus and started the age of Aries/law Aries itself was known as "Aja" and "Mesha". In heb. astronomy Aries was named "Taleh"; it signified either Simeon or Gad, and generally symbolizes the "Lamb of the World". ....when Jesus came he was the slain lamb hence ending the age of Aries and started the age of Pisces and made men fishers of men ...the next age is the age of Aquarius which is said to begin dec 21 2020 at the Saturn/Jupiter conjunction...but won’t fully go into that age until the rapture of the bride most likely on the dispensation changing feast of Pentecost

If Elijah arrives on Passover...the bride leaves on Pentecost changing the dispensation/age and judgement starts on Rosh hashannah....once the bride leaves we are in the dispensation of Aquarius and Pisces is over .....also the age of grace is over and the davidic/levitic is reinstated.




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Gen 1:28 two to have dominion...millennium separation of kingship and priesthood...does not take a smart person to figure that out if David is king then the other anointed is the high priest dominion

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To have Jesus on earth during the jues time of salvation would cancel out all “believe in Jesus by faith”....no way will Jesus and the kings and priests saints be ruling on earth in a kingdom that is all about the separation of kingship and priesthood. Jesus and the bride are heavenly melchelzedek order people...it would be a demotion to live on earth where kingship and priesthood are divided in a davidic/levitic kingdom



When will the redeemed be like Jesus? When they see him

1 John 3:2:

Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.






Noice the northern kingdom is always greater than the southern kingdom and has the better blessings ..during the millennium earth will be the southern davidic/levitic kingdom and heaven will be the melchelzedek order northern kingdom../.you can’t join the two kingdoms until after the millennial age/dispensation

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A davidic/levitic kingdom isn’t going to rule over a melchelzedek order gentile bride of Jesus. the jues main argument is during the millennium it says a gentile will grab the skirt of a Jues and say tell us about God as we hear he is with you. Jues think this will be gentile Christians proving Christianity wrong......these gentiles are not the gentile bride of Jesus ....these gentiles are the armeghedon surviving gentiles....the bride will reign from the higher realm of heaven until after the millennium where a new heaven and new earth are created where all will be melchelzedek order kings and priests because the millennial jues and gentiles will finally have accepted Jesus as messiah and every knee shall bow to the King of kings and Lord of lords!


The purpose of the two anointed is to bring salvation to the reunited earthly northern and southern kingdom and the surviving armeghedon gentile survivors....not to have dominion over the bride and tribulation saints as they already have salvation for the new heaven and new earth...it’s all about getting both houses redeemed for the new heaven and new earth that last forever...not this earth/kingdom that will be destroyed and has an end.

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8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will be Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021....once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up

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Someone who tries to be the king and the high priest in a davidic levitic millennial kingdom....let the high priest do his calling....you are only the king as there will be separation of kingship and priesthood on earth during the millennium...but wait for the throne room visit as it is already written you will wait for the rebuke as a Judah would ...lol.......which is better the tractor driver(you)or the plow person(your dad)?....lol ...play your part not the other persons part....there are 2 anointed for a reason and your position is your position and the other position isn’t yours...lol


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Swords response:

These duel roles are no longer pertient within the Father's agenda. Now that they are fulfilled in Jesus. We are now to follow after his paradigm, not tradition. Two roles in one man.




My response:

This earthly realm will always be less than the heavenly realm. If the earthly kingdom during the millennium was going to be a melchelzedek order kingdom then of course one man could be king and high priest but Jeremiah and Ezekiel clearly tells us the earthly kingdom will be the lesser davidic/levitic/government/priesthood. As soon as you read in Jeremiah and Ezekiel the priesthood will be levitic instead of melchelzedek then you know the kingship and priesthood will be two separate offices hence why there will be two anointed instead of just one....we get a Moses & an Aaron.....we get a Zerrubabel & a Joshua ...the volume of the book shows over and over a civil leader and a separate priesthood leader because the priesthood is shown to be levitic instead of melchelzedek.

The goal is to make all the people kings and priests. Right now the only place the people can utilize being kings and priests is in the heavenly realm. When the bride enters heaven they will be kings and priests as they will be like Christ because they will see him as he is in a realm that makes it possible. When the tribulation saints enter the higher heavenly realm then they will become kings and priests because only in heaven is that order permissible.

During the millennium over the 1000 years, billions of jues are going to be born into the world. Will these jues be the billions over the last 2000 years that have been blinded by God to seeing Jesus as messiah that the gentiles could attain salvation?....that isn’t for me to say but it would be plausible.

If you are on earth trying to attain redemption, when you reach your goal then you should be on a higher plane then you were before you reached the goal. If all the people on earth were already melchelzedek order people when clearly Ezekiel tells us they won’t be then there would be no need to create a new earth to make it possible for all to be melchelzedek order kings and priests......only this world is davidic/levitic but if Jesus creates a new heaven and new earth as we know he will then the new earth can definitely be a melchelzedek order realm where Jues and gentile are on equal order.

When you read in Ezekiel and Jeremiah that the temple will be rebuilt...the levitic priesthood reinstated...animal sacrifice reinstated...feast days once again observed....etc then you should know the earth will not be a melchelzedek order kingdom....it is clearly the lesser davidic/levitic kingdom meaning separation of the davidic kingship and the levitic priesthood.

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The problem both jues and gentile have is they don’t realize there are 3 moshiach. Two earthly moshiach and Jesus the heavenly moshiach. Why 3 moshiach? Because the earthly realm is davidic/levitic(kingship and priesthood separated between two anointed)and the heavenly realm is melchelzedek order(kingship/priesthood combined in one)

Jues keep saying during the millennium the gentile will grab the skirt of a jues saying tell us about God. These gentiles aren’t the bride of Jesus or the tribulation saint gentiles. These gentiles are the ones who survive armeghedon and are ushered into the millennium.

The biggest mistake Christians make is they place themselves and Jesus on earth during the millennium.....they will all be dwelling in heaven during the millennium in the melchelzedek heavenly realm in those mansions Jesus prepared. Jesus made the saints kings and priests which means they have to dwell in a melchelzedek heavenly realm

The two anointed on earth David the king and Joseph the high priest will lead the people to believe in Jesus by faith so that at the end of the millennium the earth dwelling people who believe in Jesus can become kings and priests and Jesus creates a new heaven and new earth being a melchelzedek order earth where Jues and gentiles are both kings and priests





Who is speaking in Isaiah 45? The savior Jesus. Jesus stated he is in the volume of the book.......Isaiah 45:15: Truly, you are a God who hides himself, O God of Israel, the Savior

Truly Jesus hides himself in the volume of the book....which is easier to do when you have 2 more moshiach David and messiah Ben Joseph the earthly anointed....the jues will look at those two in scripture and say I see the two earthly anointed....a Christian will combine the two offices and say I see the heavenly melchelzedek moshiach Jesus

Easy to hide in the scriptures if people don’t know whether it is speaking of the two earthly moshiach or Jesus the heavenly moshiach

Isaiah 45:15: Truly, you are a God who hides himself, O God of Israel, the Savior

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If Jesus is a descendant of Noah's son Seth

Who are the gentiles

Descendants of Noah's 2 younger sons Ham and Jepheth
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If Jesus is a descendant of Noah's son Seth

Who are the gentiles

Descendants of Noah's 2 younger sons Ham and Jepheth
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Gentile, person who is not jues. The word stems from the Hebrews term goy, which means a “nation,” and was applied both to the Hebrews and to any other nation. The plural, goy , especially with the definite article, goy, “the nations,” meant nations of the world that were not hebrews. Gentile.

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So yes and no

Um wasnt the promise of a savior told as far back as Moses

Kinda got the feeling the rules made for Moses times

Was because the ppl were so stiff of neck and head strong

I can't quote scripture like some

But went they told of a time no more animal sanctify would be needed
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So yes and no

Um wasnt the promise of a savior told as far back as Moses

Kinda got the feeling the rules made for Moses times

Was because the ppl were so stiff of neck and head strong

I can't quote scripture like some

But went they told of a time no more animal sanctify would be needed
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The law was given to show us what sin is.

They live many days without sacrifice because God is dealing with the gentiles for 2000 years which is the age of grace. Once this age ends God will once again deal with the Israelites and the law will be reinstated but it will be combined with faith in Jesus . This final age will be the davidic/levitic millennial kingdom for 1000 years before the new heaven and new earth are created

Hosea 3:4:

For the Israelites must live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, and without ephod or household idols.
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Somewhere in Hebrews

It talks about why animal sacrifices are not nessasary

Thanks to Jesus and his sacrifice
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Somewhere in Hebrews

It talks about why animal sacrifices are not nessasary

Thanks to Jesus and his sacrifice
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Did the blood of bulls take away their sins? No. Did their faith in God to forgive through genuine faith and repentance take away their sins? Ultimately, yes

Animal sacrifice is a reminder of sin and during the millennium will be a memorial to the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross. Once the age of grace ends the age of law will be reinstated and animal sacrifice is part of that dispensation....also it gives the earthly high priest dominion on earth fulfilling the genesis 1:28 covenant.
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