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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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Sword...tell me you are at least 10 percent awake..and know davidic/levitic means separation of kingship and priesthood...you spent 40 years studying scripture.....spend 20 minutes and research what davidic/levitic means......someone who wants to be all leaves no room for a second ....hence why God left room for a second ....absolutely power corrupts absolutely thingy...lol.....we reign over the jues ....get over reigning over the bride and tribulation saints it won’t happen friend...;you expect too much...learn what realm you have dominion and who the other dominion holder is ....lol

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Somewhere in Hebrews

It talks about why animal sacrifices are not nessasary

Thanks to Jesus and his sacrifice
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Did the blood of bulls take away their sins? No. Did their faith in God to forgive through genuine faith and repentance take away their sins? Ultimately, yes

Animal sacrifice is a reminder of sin and during the millennium will be a memorial to the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross. Once the age of grace ends the age of law will be reinstated and animal sacrifice is part of that dispensation....also it gives the earthly high priest dominion on earth fulfilling the genesis 1:28 covenant.
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This sounds like going backwards in time

God made it clear his new covenant would not require animal sacrifice

From any of his children

Unless I missed it

Nothing in New Testament alludes to what you claiming
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Somewhere in Hebrews

It talks about why animal sacrifices are not nessasary

Thanks to Jesus and his sacrifice
 Quoting: hwy_ho


Did the blood of bulls take away their sins? No. Did their faith in God to forgive through genuine faith and repentance take away their sins? Ultimately, yes

Animal sacrifice is a reminder of sin and during the millennium will be a memorial to the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross. Once the age of grace ends the age of law will be reinstated and animal sacrifice is part of that dispensation....also it gives the earthly high priest dominion on earth fulfilling the genesis 1:28 covenant.
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This sounds like going backwards in time

God made it clear his new covenant would not require animal sacrifice

From any of his children

Unless I missed it

Nothing in New Testament alludes to what you claiming
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Read ezekiel it is about the millennium after the age of grace ends
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So are the descendants of captivity

Going to reconcile there differences

With the other descendants of Abraham
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So are the descendants of captivity

Going to reconcile there differences

With the other descendants of Abraham
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This 2000 year age of grace is to make the bride and tribulation saints kings and priests to dwell in heaven during the millennium. The next 1000 years is to make the jues and surviving gentiles kings and priests so that all will be kings and priests after the millennium in the new heaven and new earth.
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Sounds like a lot of cherry picking

Combined with a desire to forestall an outcome
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Sounds like a lot of cherry picking

Combined with a desire to forestall an outcome
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Jesus himself said his kingdom is not of this earth...why rule on earth when you can use melchelzedek order and rule as King and High Priest in heaven.....what kingdom is Jesus’? The heavenly kingdom during the millennium. The biggest mistake Christians make is they try to make Jesus’ kingdom on earth during the millennium and even Jesus doesn’t want that lesser davidic/ levitic kingdom where you have to have 2 separate anointed to rule it....lol

John 18:36:

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the jues: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

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Be “joyful” with your kingship ...this earth will never be melchelzedek order kingship and priesthood in one person...you need a buddy....look around where is he?....lol...probably not the guy you want it to be....cya soon
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Somewhere in Hebrews

It talks about why animal sacrifices are not nessasary

Thanks to Jesus and his sacrifice
 Quoting: hwy_ho


Did the blood of bulls take away their sins? No. Did their faith in God to forgive through genuine faith and repentance take away their sins? Ultimately, yes

Animal sacrifice is a reminder of sin and during the millennium will be a memorial to the sacrifice Jesus made on the cross. Once the age of grace ends the age of law will be reinstated and animal sacrifice is part of that dispensation....also it gives the earthly high priest dominion on earth fulfilling the genesis 1:28 covenant.
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Ezekiel 40+ is the sort of thing they COULD have merited pre-Messiah, if they sorted themselves. They didn't and had to see the measurements and allotments and be ashamed.

The earthly Levitical system is done and gone. Good riddance.
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8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will be Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021....once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
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It doesn't happen according to the Babylonian luni-solar calendar.

They can manipulate their false-yoo government to "fulfill" anything.

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8:30 - 10:00 minutes after the government falls a third time before it can be rebuilt a 4th time messiah Ben David will come......so Israeli government just fell for the third time last night and the next Israeli election is March 25 2021 and they get 3 weeks to form a government allowing until about April 15th/16th for messiah Ben David to arrive


Also it states the sabbath after the third elections fall then messiah Ben David will arrive.....if that is speaking of high sabbaths it would be speaking of one of the 7 major feasts which the next one will be Passover 2021




Just happens to be Passover March 27th through April 4th 2021....once Elijah arrives as he is the forerunner then David can show up
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It doesn't happen according to the Babylonian luni-solar calendar.

They can manipulate their false-yoo government to "fulfill" anything.

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Gentiles have the new covenant and choose Jesus to be their King and High Priest under the heavenly melchelzedek order. The Israelites have been blinded to seeing Jesus as the heavenly melchelzedek King and High Priest that the gentiles could receive salvation. The Israelites instead see the two earthly anointed who will reign on earth during the millennium. The Israelites throughout history always want an earthly king therefore after the age of grace through faith in Jesus comes to an end then God will give them David as king and messiah Ben Joseph as earthly high priest for the duration of the millennium. Then Israelites and surviving gentiles from armeghedon will accept Jesus as savior through faith and will become kings and priests when the millennium ends. Jesus will create a new heaven and new earth and the northern kingdom of heaven will come down and join with the southern kingdom of earth and all will be kings and priests with Jesus reigning over all with David sitting at his right and Joseph sitting at his left as an eternal reminder of the former earth and former davidic/levitic kingdom
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However is was. Jacob was able to get the birthright and blessing.

It is what it is.

I can imagine how horrified the descendants of Abraham must have been

When Gods Son Jesus made a new covenant with the gentiles

I get banned a lot for post like this

So here to hoping this makes it through
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The Story of Success, the principle states that in order to become world class in any field, you need 10,000 hours of deliberate practice. This means 417 days' worth of hours, or 3 hours a day for 3,333 days--a little over 9 years



Hmmm would have had to start in 2012 on a subject to be world class...that was the year I started on glp

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Hmmmm the mid rash says once Elijah arrives it is possible that David will show up 1 to 3 days later.....if both are nobodies as I suspect then if Elijah takes the world stage the other anointed would have to be related to him to be able to step up on the world stage so quickly......hmmm...lol

Elijahs arrival would not have been necessary if the first call(1978) had been heeded....but now Elijah will appear first to enable David to step up on the world stage. Elijah will prepare the world stage and point the light on David......as Elijah is David’s forerunner


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Placing Jesus on earth during the millennium throws faith out the window. Which in turn places gentiles above Israelites because they believed in Jesus by faith not by living with him on earth for 1000 years. The 2000 year age of grace was about faith in Jesus for the gentiles. The final 1000 years is dealing with the salvation of the Israelites and armeghedon gentiles. The thing that pleases God is faith therefore those on earth during the millennium will have to believe in Jesus by faith because he will be dwelling in heaven not on the earth.......Jesus’ two representatives will have dominion on earth for the millennium as it will be davidic/levitic meaning separation of earthly kingship and priesthood.....David will represent the earthly kingship and Joseph will represent the earthly high priesthood using the birthright 1 chronicles 5:2. Not until those being tested reach their next realm do they become kings and priests melchelzedek order. The heavenly realm is that realm for the age of grace gentiles and the new earth is that realm for those dwelling on earth during the millennium where both gentiles and jues will all be kings and priests in the new earth after the millennium.

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The two anointed are messiah Ben David/Judah and messiah Ben Joseph. Now we know how Judah’s and Joseph’s don’t get along . The final Judah and Joseph will be no different.

If you understand the book of Zechariah and the book of revelation are a continuation or connected books if you look into the similarities of the two book speaking of the 4 horsemen....the two witnesses...etc . This is important to know in order to understand the difference between the two anointed.

The book of Zechariah tells us the two anointed are zerrubbabel the civil leader and Joshua the high priest. But we only see one anointed Joshua in heaven getting his priestly garments....or do we? What if the book of Zechariah is telling us about one anointed and revelation 12 is telling us about the other anointed.

The book of Zechariah shows us the high priest messiah Ben Joseph using the birthright to become high priest......but in Zechariah we have another standing at the right of Joseph to oppose him and it states it is “Satan”. As soon as people read Satan they assume it is Lucifer. This is not Lucifer in the throne room while one of the two anointed is getting his instructions to go back to the earth to be high priest. This “Satan” is none other than the other anointed messiah Ben David/Judah

Why would David be considered a Satan to the other priestly anointed? As we read in Luke Jesus called Peter “Satan” when he was opposing the plan of God ....was Peter :Satan”/Lucifer....no....Satan simply means opponent or opposer/adversary to the plan of God.

Remember these two anointed are David/Judah and Joseph which are clearly adversaries for a period of time. The reason Judah is adversary to Joseph is because Judah’s receive the 1st born blessing which is the scepter.....but for some reason 1st borns are convinced they posses the birthright so when Joseph receives the birthright and the high priesthood Judah becomes Joseph’s “Satan”/adversary until he is rebuked by God.

Notice in the connected book of revelation chapter 12 when the man-child receives the kingship/rule with a rod of iron ...you never see a “Satan”/adversary opposing his position and that is because Joseph already received his dominion of the priesthood and the birthright according to 1 chronicles 5:2

So two anointed don’t turn into one anointed because on earth in a davidic/levitic kingdom one person can’t be king and high priest....this is why we have two anointed....messiah Ben Joseph the high priest and messiah Ben David/Judah who will be king on earth during the millennium
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Placing Jesus on earth during the millennium throws faith out the window. Which in turn places gentiles above Israelites because they believed in Jesus by faith not by living with him on earth for 1000 years. The 2000 year age of grace was about faith in Jesus for the gentiles. The final 1000 years is dealing with the salvation of the Israelites and armeghedon gentiles. The thing that pleases God is faith therefore those on earth during the millennium will have to believe in Jesus by faith because he will be dwelling in heaven not on the earth.......Jesus’ two representatives will have dominion on earth for the millennium as it will be davidic/levitic meaning separation of earthly kingship and priesthood.....David will represent the earthly kingship and Joseph will represent the earthly high priesthood using the birthright 1 chronicles 5:2. Not until those being tested reach their next realm do they become kings and priests melchelzedek order. The heavenly realm is that realm for the age of grace gentiles and the new earth is that realm for those dwelling on earth during the millennium where both gentiles and jues will all be kings and priests in the new earth after the millennium.

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Thy kingdom come...

Physical and Spiritual.

The physical is a crude and vague shadow-picture of the Spiritual.

Adam was flesh and Jesus was quickening Spirit. The physical and carnal being of Jesus was sinful in that it was subject to corruption and temptation and weakness, though He committed no sin. This needed to be destroyed on the cross. The Davidic and Josephic royalty and Aaronic priesthood is crude carnal and was ended except in the qualification of Messiah in his carnal being. Jesus was all human and all Spirit at the same time.

With the Spirit of Jesus indwelling, Christians are carnal and Spiritual and the same time. In the Sprit, they are children, princes and princesses, royalty and priests and priestess of the Spirirt, of Melchezadek, and so are exempt from carnal requirements.

Jesus united the stic of Judah and Ephraim, any involvement with Gog Magog is extremely dangerous and evil, and 40- are measurements to shame the Judeans for failing to earn redemption pre-Messiah. The rabbinic grandees were opposed to putting Ezekiel in TeNaK. We need to be careful with Ezekiel,
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Placing Jesus on earth during the millennium throws faith out the window. Which in turn places gentiles above Israelites because they believed in Jesus by faith not by living with him on earth for 1000 years. The 2000 year age of grace was about faith in Jesus for the gentiles. The final 1000 years is dealing with the salvation of the Israelites and armeghedon gentiles. The thing that pleases God is faith therefore those on earth during the millennium will have to believe in Jesus by faith because he will be dwelling in heaven not on the earth.......Jesus’ two representatives will have dominion on earth for the millennium as it will be davidic/levitic meaning separation of earthly kingship and priesthood.....David will represent the earthly kingship and Joseph will represent the earthly high priesthood using the birthright 1 chronicles 5:2. Not until those being tested reach their next realm do they become kings and priests melchelzedek order. The heavenly realm is that realm for the age of grace gentiles and the new earth is that realm for those dwelling on earth during the millennium where both gentiles and jues will all be kings and priests in the new earth after the millennium.

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Thy kingdom come...

Physical and Spiritual.

The physical is a crude and vague shadow-picture of the Spiritual.

Adam was flesh and Jesus was quickening Spirit. The physical and carnal being of Jesus was sinful in that it was subject to corruption and temptation and weakness, though He committed no sin. This needed to be destroyed on the cross. The Davidic and Josephic royalty and Aaronic priesthood is crude carnal and was ended except in the qualification of Messiah in his carnal being. Jesus was all human and all Spirit at the same time.

With the Spirit of Jesus indwelling, Christians are carnal and Spiritual and the same time. In the Sprit, they are children, princes and princesses, royalty and priests and priestess of the Spirirt, of Melchezadek, and so are exempt from carnal requirements.

Jesus united the stic of Judah and Ephraim, any involvement with Gog Magog is extremely dangerous and evil, and 40- are measurements to shame the Judeans for failing to earn redemption pre-Messiah. The rabbinic grandees were opposed to putting Ezekiel in TeNaK. We need to be careful with Ezekiel,
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The two sticks of Judah and Joseph are not yet united as the lost 10 tribes have not yet been gathered and the northern and southern kingdoms are not yet reunited. Jesus doesn’t reunite the northern and southern kingdoms he gives that responsibility to the two anointed yet to arrive. What Jesus reunites are the two representatives of the two kingdoms which are Judah and Joseph. The Dead Sea scrolls says they are to try to reunite on their own from below and if they reach an impasse then God will reunite them from above in the throne room.

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What’s the difference between a Jacob and an Israel? An Israel is and always was a firstborn....a Jacob is a second born whose name is changed to Israel and receives the firstborn blessing of the birthright. A Jacob started out as a second born....Israel’s started out as first borns and remain unchanged ......that is what the grafting in of the second born is about....you have to have a firstborn and a separate second born who will both have dominion.....Adam was never a Jacob/second born who had to have a name change to become a firstborn Israel as he already was an Israel. It’s the second borns who need the name change to become Israel’s not the actual firstborns as they already have that title. The problem the firstborns have is they don’t know the second borns get the birthright in order to have dominion over the priesthood on earth.....firstborns are kings ....second borns use the birthright to be the earthly high priest in order to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles during the millennium.....but that is for another time at a future date in another realm...lol....til then have a good journey.


Ezekiel 37:22:

And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.......you can’t have 2 kingdoms/two families/two nations without having 2 representatives ......and with the reunification one representative isn’t going to take the other representatives dominion....because one representative is the king and the other representative is the high priest therefore when the reunification happens both representative will keep their dominion only the reunification will allow them to have dominion over both kingdoms...one king and the other high priest.
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Until you realize there are 2 Israel’s ....a firstborn israel and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel then your understanding will be stunted because Jesus is not only king of the firstborn but also of the second born.....which the volume of the book is about the separation and reunification of the firstborn Israel and second born Jacob whose name will be changed to Israel ....to bring forth the unification/marriage of the two kingdoms/families/representatives to make the two to become one.

In a marriage/unification who receives the name change? The feminine as the masculine already has the name. The kingship is the spiritual masculine...the priesthood is the spiritual feminine...The spiritual masculine is the firstborn...the spiritual feminine is the second born. Therefore Jacob the 2nd born is the spiritual feminine as Jacob gets the name change and uses the birthright to have dominion over the spiritual feminine position of the priesthood.

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Ask yourself if you were the representative of one of the two kingdoms and the reunification was happening would you say to the other representative take my dominion and I’ll just become one of your subjects? No one would give up a kingdom given to them and give all dominion to another. If they do then they never respected the privilege of having the dominion they were given.

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Ezekiel shows us there will be a levitic priesthood and davidic kingship on the earth in the millennium. Hebrews tells us if there is another priesthood in effect on earth that Jesus would not even be a priest therefore Jesus will remain in heaven at the right side of the father until the 1000 year millennium and the season satan is loosed and then at that time Jesus will make a new heaven and new earth and God will be the temple and dwell among men. Joseph sitting at Jesus' left as prince of priests and David sitting at Jesus' right as prince of kings being forever a prince as promised in Ezekiel.

Hebrews showing Jesus will remain at the right hand of the Father in heaven during the 1000 year millennium when the levitic priesthood and davidic kingship is in effect:

Hebrews 8:
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:


If that is so.. Who is the Lord spoken of in the book of Ezekiel that reigns in Jerusalem, chapter 40 to the end of the book?



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Ezekiel shows us there will be a levitic priesthood and davidic kingship on the earth in the millennium. Hebrews tells us if there is another priesthood in effect on earth that Jesus would not even be a priest therefore Jesus will remain in heaven at the right side of the father until the 1000 year millennium and the season satan is loosed and then at that time Jesus will make a new heaven and new earth and God will be the temple and dwell among men. Joseph sitting at Jesus' left as prince of priests and David sitting at Jesus' right as prince of kings being forever a prince as promised in Ezekiel.

Hebrews showing Jesus will remain at the right hand of the Father in heaven during the 1000 year millennium when the levitic priesthood and davidic kingship is in effect:

Hebrews 8:
1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;

2 A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.

3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.

4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
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If that is so.. Who is the Lord spoken of in the book of Ezekiel that reigns in Jerusalem, chapter 40 to the end of the book?



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According to Jeremiah and Ezekiel the earthly millennial kingdom is davidic/levitic which means you have to have a separate king and high priest. You won’t see Jesus ruling on earth in Ezekiel chapter 40’s as that is David and the other anointed position. There are two princes/anointed who will reign on earth for the duration of the millennium and after when the new earth is created they will sit on the left and right of Jesus as a reminder of the former earth and its davidic/levitic kingdom as the new earth will be melchelzedek order where all will be kings and priests

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They’re all about where people come from. The only thing that’s important is where somebodies going.


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If that is so.. Who is the Lord spoken of in the book of Ezekiel that reigns in Jerusalem, chapter 40 to the end of the book?

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According to Jeremiah and Ezekiel the earthly millennial kingdom is davidic/levitic which means you have to have a separate king and high priest. You won’t see Jesus ruling on earth in Ezekiel chapter 40’s as that is David and the other anointed position. There are two princes/anointed who will reign on earth for the duration of the millennium and after when the new earth is created they will sit on the left and right of Jesus as a reminder of the former earth and its davidic/levitic kingdom as the new earth will be melchelzedek order where all will be kings and priests

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There is so much scripture contrary to that statement that it would probably take a week or two to compile a small portion of it, besides the snippits below. Anybody ever consider what it will be if it turns out that God is real, and the scripture is true.

Revelation 20 (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



Ezekiel 44 (KJV)


1 Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

2 Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.

13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.

14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.

15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:

16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge.

17 And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.

18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.

19 And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments.

Ezekiel 45 (KJV)

1 Moreover, when ye shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, ye shall offer an oblation unto the Lord, an holy portion of the land: the length shall be the length of five and twenty thousand reeds, and the breadth shall be ten thousand. This shall be holy in all the borders thereof round about.

2 Of this there shall be for the sanctuary five hundred in length, with five hundred in breadth, square round about; and fifty cubits round about for the suburbs thereof.

3 And of this measure shalt thou measure the length of five and twenty thousand, and the breadth of ten thousand: and in it shall be the sanctuary and the most holy place.

4 The holy portion of the land shall be for the priests the ministers of the sanctuary, which shall come near to minister unto the Lord: and it shall be a place for their houses, and an holy place for the sanctuary.

Ezekiel 46 (KJV)

3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

8 And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof.

9 But when the people of the land shall come before the Lord in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it.

Ezekiel 48 (KJV)

10 And for them, even for the priests, shall be this holy oblation; toward the north five and twenty thousand in length, and toward the west ten thousand in breadth, and toward the east ten thousand in breadth, and toward the south five and twenty thousand in length: and the sanctuary of the Lord shall be in the midst thereof.

35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.
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If that is so.. Who is the Lord spoken of in the book of Ezekiel that reigns in Jerusalem, chapter 40 to the end of the book?

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According to Jeremiah and Ezekiel the earthly millennial kingdom is davidic/levitic which means you have to have a separate king and high priest. You won’t see Jesus ruling on earth in Ezekiel chapter 40’s as that is David and the other anointed position. There are two princes/anointed who will reign on earth for the duration of the millennium and after when the new earth is created they will sit on the left and right of Jesus as a reminder of the former earth and its davidic/levitic kingdom as the new earth will be melchelzedek order where all will be kings and priests

leftrightkingpri


There is so much scripture contrary to that statement that it would probably take a week or two to compile a small portion of it, besides the snippits below. Anybody ever consider what it will be if it turns out that God is real, and the scripture is true.

Revelation 20 (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.



Ezekiel 44 (KJV)


1 Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut.

2 Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut.

3 It is for the prince; the prince, he shall sit in it to eat bread before the Lord; he shall enter by the way of the porch of that gate, and shall go out by the way of the same.

10 And the Levites that are gone away far from me, when Israel went astray, which went astray away from me after their idols; they shall even bear their iniquity.

11 Yet they shall be ministers in my sanctuary, having charge at the gates of the house, and ministering to the house: they shall slay the burnt offering and the sacrifice for the people, and they shall stand before them to minister unto them.

12 Because they ministered unto them before their idols, and caused the house of Israel to fall into iniquity; therefore have I lifted up mine hand against them, saith the Lord God, and they shall bear their iniquity.

13 And they shall not come near unto me, to do the office of a priest unto me, nor to come near to any of my holy things, in the most holy place: but they shall bear their shame, and their abominations which they have committed.

14 But I will make them keepers of the charge of the house, for all the service thereof, and for all that shall be done therein.

15 But the priests the Levites, the sons of Zadok, that kept the charge of my sanctuary when the children of Israel went astray from me, they shall come near to me to minister unto me, and they shall stand before me to offer unto me the fat and the blood, saith the Lord God:

16 They shall enter into my sanctuary, and they shall come near to my table, to minister unto me, and they shall keep my charge.

17 And it shall come to pass, that when they enter in at the gates of the inner court, they shall be clothed with linen garments; and no wool shall come upon them, whiles they minister in the gates of the inner court, and within.

18 They shall have linen bonnets upon their heads, and shall have linen breeches upon their loins; they shall not gird themselves with any thing that causeth sweat.

19 And when they go forth into the utter court, even into the utter court to the people, they shall put off their garments wherein they ministered, and lay them in the holy chambers, and they shall put on other garments; and they shall not sanctify the people with their garments.

Ezekiel 45 (KJV)

1 Moreover, when ye shall divide by lot the land for inheritance, ye shall offer an oblation unto the Lord, an holy portion of the land: the length shall be the length of five and twenty thousand reeds, and the breadth shall be ten thousand. This shall be holy in all the borders thereof round about.

2 Of this there shall be for the sanctuary five hundred in length, with five hundred in breadth, square round about; and fifty cubits round about for the suburbs thereof.

3 And of this measure shalt thou measure the length of five and twenty thousand, and the breadth of ten thousand: and in it shall be the sanctuary and the most holy place.

4 The holy portion of the land shall be for the priests the ministers of the sanctuary, which shall come near to minister unto the Lord: and it shall be a place for their houses, and an holy place for the sanctuary.

Ezekiel 46 (KJV)

3 Likewise the people of the land shall worship at the door of this gate before the Lord in the sabbaths and in the new moons.

8 And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof.

9 But when the people of the land shall come before the Lord in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it.

Ezekiel 48 (KJV)

10 And for them, even for the priests, shall be this holy oblation; toward the north five and twenty thousand in length, and toward the west ten thousand in breadth, and toward the east ten thousand in breadth, and toward the south five and twenty thousand in length: and the sanctuary of the Lord shall be in the midst thereof.

35 It was round about eighteen thousand measures: and the name of the city from that day shall be, The Lord is there.













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You just need to learn that the earthly realm is always less than the heavenly realm . To live and reign with Christ.....you first have to learn where Christ will be living and reigning . Jesus will be living in the heavenly realm as that is the only realm that allows melchelzedek order kingship/priesthood.

Jesus and the bride will rule from heaven...the two anointed will rule from earth

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G’night brother...have a good night:

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Can you not see the broken brotherhood of Judah and Joseph happening again?....or are you blinded by the hopes of a single anointed? Why do you ignore one who brings you truth? There are 2 anointed one has the scepter and the other has the birthright....you passed up being both in 1978 just as Moses did in his time. He chose you one because you are first born and second because firstborns are reluctant to come forth on the first call that the second borns can fulfill their calling.

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Judah’s can’t see the other anointed ......Joseph’s can see the other anointed . Do you know where the other anointed is? You have no clue but I do.......is that not a revelation to you?
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Can that southern kingdom of Judah see their brother the northern kingdom of Jacob? Being you are the southern kingdom of Judah representative do you think you are going to be able to see more than the kingdom you represent? Don’t believe what you can see. Believe what you read. God blinds the southern kingdom and the representative until the fullness of the gentiles and you fall into that group friend.

They can’t see the other kingdom and as their representative you can’t see the other kingdoms representative

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