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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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God makes Adam the father of creation and Eve the mother of creation and promises them dominion over all the earth and then saves Adam and gives him all the inheritance and blessings.....he wanted to save Eve the mother of creation and give her dominion but Adam thought it better to give himself the sceptre and the birthright which is both dominion of kingship and priesthood. Eve disappears and the single divorced father of creation lives akwardly ever after because Gods plan failed.....lol.....Gods plan never fails......Eve will arrive with Adam in the 6000th year. Adam just needs to learn to share dominion/inheritance...lol...and in the throne room he will.

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Learn anything new today sword or still think the story is about the firstborn then skip the second born and choose someone from gad which basically has very little inheritance/blessing and make them partners

The 1st born blessing/ the sceptre and the second born blessing/the birthright are the two highest inheritance/blessings.....does God not remember this? Why do you give one anointed the firstborn blessing the kingship then the other anointed who drinks the cup Jesus drank from one of the least blessings of the 12 sons in the end times.....does that make sense to you sword. If you went through the same furnace or more than the other anointed would the least blessing be the appropriate compensation.....does God not reward fairly? Certainly he does and one anointed receives the 1st born blessing of the sceptre and the other anointed receives the 2nd born blessing of the birthright so the the promise of genesis 1:28 can be fulfilled....2 will have dominion over the whole earth...why can’t you wake up friend? Because it is written judah will be blind in part until the fullness of the gentiles. How you read the word and make sense of it is beyond me when the theme is the 1st born and 2nd born and you try to make it all into only the 1st born and eliminate the 2nd born just as the jues do...... as their representative you can only see as they do.


Zechariah 11:14:

Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

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Learn anything new today sword or still think the story is about the firstborn then skip the second born and choose someone from gad which basically has very little inheritance/blessing and make them partners

The 1st born blessing/ the sceptre and the second born blessing/the birthright are the two highest inheritance/blessings.....does God not remember this? Why do you give one anointed the firstborn blessing the kingship then the other anointed who drinks the cup Jesus drank from one of the least blessings of the 12 sons in the end times.....does that make sense to you sword. If you went through the same furnace or more than the other anointed would the least blessing be the appropriate compensation.....does God not reward fairly? Certainly he does and one anointed receives the 1st born blessing of the sceptre and the other anointed receives the 2nd born blessing of the birthright so the the promise of genesis 1:28 can be fulfilled....2 will have dominion over the whole earth...why can’t you wake up friend? Because it is written judah will be blind in part until the fullness of the gentiles. How you read the word and make sense of it is beyond me when the theme is the 1st born and 2nd born and you try to make it all into only the 1st born and eliminate the 2nd born just as the jues do...... as their representative you can only see as they do.


Zechariah 11:14:

Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

JOSEPHANDJUDAH50




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 Quoting: waterman


The firstborn receives the blessing that is to go with the birthright. Things were wonky when esau values his blessing at one meal, and sellout sold it.
The blessing was still his, hence was stolen by trickery.
But when esau and Jacob reunited, esau admitted that the blessing went with the birthright by saying to Jacob, whatever is yours is yours.
So one son, normally the first, unless unsuitable- torn, blemished, mentally unable to fulfill birthright position, unable to learn Torah,or a eunuch.
Your first born, second born is confusing,please where did you see this?
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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre
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King David has birthright and blessing. He has sceptre,crown, throne, and ephod and breastplate of high priest, being also of Levi, his sons are priests, and prophets, princes, and kings, but none as beloved as king David.
David was victorious over the crown of milcom. Priest annointed to do war. David ate the shewbread, and inquired of the priest at nob, priest abilities, and king.
He is king and shepherd.

People can have more than one honor, crown, duty,mission.
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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre
 Quoting: waterman


King David has birthright and blessing. He has sceptre,crown, throne, and ephod and breastplate of high priest, being also of Levi, his sons are priests, and prophets, princes, and kings, but none as beloved as king David.
David was victorious over the crown of milcom. Priest annointed to do war. David ate the shewbread, and inquired of the priest at nob, priest abilities, and king.
He is king and shepherd.

People can have more than one honor, crown, duty,mission.
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Lol
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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre
 Quoting: waterman


King David has birthright and blessing. He has sceptre,crown, throne, and ephod and breastplate of high priest, being also of Levi, his sons are priests, and prophets, princes, and kings, but none as beloved as king David.
David was victorious over the crown of milcom. Priest annointed to do war. David ate the shewbread, and inquired of the priest at nob, priest abilities, and king.
He is king and shepherd.

People can have more than one honor, crown, duty,mission.
 Quoting: FrankveryFrank


Lol
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Not a very good response Waterman to a legitimate answer from a sincere poster. Nevertheless, like this poster I am sure he like I am also use to you avoiding questions that might seem somewhat too complex for your comprehension... as you would have a tendency to say..lol.
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Jeremiah 11:8-10 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do: but they did them not. And the Lord said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre
 Quoting: waterman


King David has birthright and blessing. He has sceptre,crown, throne, and ephod and breastplate of high priest, being also of Levi, his sons are priests, and prophets, princes, and kings, but none as beloved as king David.
David was victorious over the crown of milcom. Priest annointed to do war. David ate the shewbread, and inquired of the priest at nob, priest abilities, and king.
He is king and shepherd.

People can have more than one honor, crown, duty,mission.
 Quoting: FrankveryFrank


Lol
 Quoting: waterman


Not a very good response Waterman to a legitimate answer from a sincere poster. Nevertheless, like this poster I am sure he like I am also use to you avoiding questions that might seem somewhat too complex for your comprehension... as you would have a tendency to say..lol.
 Quoting: S-wordlike




Would you rather me of said he wasn’t well read? Because if he was well read he would have known David is only referred to in the scriptures as the king.....he is never referred to as the high priest. Of the 12 sons/princes of Israel end-time inheritance/blessings one can only be from one tribe and we know the sceptre blessing is the line of Judah therefore David can’t be from tribe of Judah and line of Levi. He is only from tribe of Judah


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Now if God would have thought previously to split Adam the one with no father or mother and brought forth a second born Eve(no father or mother)then in the future when he brought these 2 back in the 6000th year these two could have been from 2 different tribes as the 2nd born could claim they are the other half of the firstborn therefore giving them the right to use their mothers fathers line for tribal lineage just as Jesus did to come from line of Judah. One would only have to look at the last name of their mother and see their line coming from England and England being ephraim leads right up to the line of Joseph. Therefore you have David/messiah Ben David and then you have the other anointed messiah Ben Joseph. I could have wrote all that but “lol” was a nicer response and you might not have chimed in. Nice to hear from you again....lol

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It’s very very simple to understand if you understand the end is told from the beginning.....it started with the firstborn and second born filling the earth and ends with the reunification and dominion of the firstborn and second born on earth during the millennium to bring salvation to the jues and the surviving armeghedon gentiles which are the ones who will be dwelling on earth at that time.


The first half of the verse was fulfilled when the firstborn Adam and second born Eve arrived on earth the first time(6th day)....they multiplied and filled the earth with offspring for 6000 years bringing the population to almost 8 billion people. The second half of the verse is fulfilled when the 1st born and 2nd born return to earth in the 6000th year

I will show the division by color the first half will be blue and the second half I will highlight in red....it’s very simply to see that they had to fill it before they could have dominion....lol.


Genesis 1:28
King James Version
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.





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1st born receives firstborn inheritance/blessing which we know from genesis and Deuteronomy is the Judah/sceptre/kingship blessings which will be half the dominion on earth during the millennium

2nd born receives the birthright blessing as we see over and over the second born receiving the birthright over the firstborn. So we just look who of the 12 sons of Israel received the birthright and it clearly states 1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s therefore the 2nd borns inheritance/blessing is the Joseph/birthright which he will use to become the earthly high priest blessing which will be the other half of the earthly dominion during the millennium. So genesis 1:28 the 1st born and 2nd born having dominion over the whole earth can be fulfilled and Gods promise/covenant not be broken.

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As a strength, pride is a good, positive emotion to feel. If you let a spirit of competition enter it, it will become your greatest weakness.

Judah’s strength is pride. The jues turn that pride into competition with the new covenant people and make the new covenant people their enemy therefore the jues will reject whatever the new covenant people understand because the jues are in competition with new covenant people because the jues/Judah think they are the older established well studied scholars even though they are only given half the mystery until the fullness of the gentiles.

We see this recurring theme in Luke 15 the two brothers....also in the story of Judah and Joseph ...esau and Jacob...Ishmael and issac...it’s all over the place in scripture...it’s the rivalry between 1st borns and 2nd borns throughout the the scriptures....the older always expects to receive more than the younger. If one reads the scriptures through firstborn second born division/perspective it is the key to unlock the scriptures but if you are the older and your pride has become competitive with another then you will be unwilling to divide the blessings and will assume all inheritance/blessings and understanding is yours which will blemish your understanding of the scriptures then you will void the one you are competitive with which is what Judah/the jues do and they miss what the other half knows.....hmmmm nothing over there on your side older established well studied scholar?....there is nothing new under the sun what has been will be again.




The plan of God to save both jues and gentiles the firstborn and the second born supersedes study/experience but the jues want to reverse that so they rule over the new covenant gentiles instead of unifying with them.

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Starts at 10:00 minutes in: about Jacob and the firstborn





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