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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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It's all irrelevant if it happened before Noah's time because that was when the world population was wiped out (except Noah's family) and began again.
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It's all irrelevant if it happened before Noah's time because that was when the world population was wiped out (except Noah's family) and began again.
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Judah and Joseph were born after Noah so it is relevant

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28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.



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Hi waterman. Hope you've been doing well. Interesting thread. I've thought about the northern and southern kingdom kinda in the same way you have, minus the two witnesses aspect. Didn't know much about that topic back then.

Have you ever thought about how easily it would be for people nowadays to try to replicate the events in the Bible and try to fulfill prophecy themselves by copying the "Playbook"? I think about this, and I think about how God must have "known" this too and He's steps ahead of them. I can't wait to see how He has orchestrated the whole thing for the good. It's going to be mind boggling. He's such a genius, beyond genius level, beyond comprehension. I think the book of Malachi plays into His grand scheme somehow, as do all His words.

Are we really meant to understand the final outcome or be left in the dark, hanging on faith? Is everything set in stone, or is there room for free will? I think that all the answers lie in the Bible, but for anyone to get too close to that kind of knowledge, they obviously have to go through the Fire. Paul had to endure his thorn in the flesh. Solomon was perplexed by too much wisdom. David sinned. Moses screwed up. Noah....

I'm really humbled by the mere fact that God even gives us the time of day, and I know that's my own sinful nature speaking. The Master of the Universe, of all things known and unknown, and to stoop to our level. Nothing in my life has gone the way I wanted, and yet I feel Him closer than ever. It's such a wonderful paradox, it makes me cry. Some might classify me as bipolar, for I've experienced the lowest of lows and the highest of highs (at least in my own puny mind), and always it circles back to me standing in awe and respect of Him who controls it all, despite my shortcomings. I still, to this day, cannot get over that simple fact that...He loves us in spite of. In spite of... He is incredible. Even those words sound stupid to describe Him.
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"26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are," 1 Corinthians 1:26-28

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Hi waterman. Hope you've been doing well. Interesting thread. I've thought about the northern and southern kingdom kinda in the same way you have, minus the two witnesses aspect. Didn't know much about that topic back then.

Have you ever thought about how easily it would be for people nowadays to try to replicate the events in the Bible and try to fulfill prophecy themselves by copying the "Playbook"? I think about this, and I think about how God must have "known" this too and He's steps ahead of them. I can't wait to see how He has orchestrated the whole thing for the good. It's going to be mind boggling. He's such a genius, beyond genius level, beyond comprehension. I think the book of Malachi plays into His grand scheme somehow, as do all His words.

Are we really meant to understand the final outcome or be left in the dark, hanging on faith? Is everything set in stone, or is there room for free will? I think that all the answers lie in the Bible, but for anyone to get too close to that kind of knowledge, they obviously have to go through the Fire. Paul had to endure his thorn in the flesh. Solomon was perplexed by too much wisdom. David sinned. Moses screwed up. Noah....

I'm really humbled by the mere fact that God even gives us the time of day, and I know that's my own sinful nature speaking. The Master of the Universe, of all things known and unknown, and to stoop to our level. Nothing in my life has gone the way I wanted, and yet I feel Him closer than ever. It's such a wonderful paradox, it makes me cry. Some might classify me as bipolar, for I've experienced the lowest of lows and the highest of highs (at least in my own puny mind), and always it circles back to me standing in awe and respect of Him who controls it all, despite my shortcomings. I still, to this day, cannot get over that simple fact that...He loves us in spite of. In spite of... He is incredible. Even those words sound stupid to describe Him.
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"26For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; 27but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, 28and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are," 1 Corinthians 1:26-28

Stay close to the father.
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Thank you, AC, for your uplifting words of encouragement. That was very nice of you! God bless.
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EPHRAIM: Bullock unicorn or wild oxen

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JUDAH: Lion

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EPHRAIM AND JUDAH:

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EPHRAIM: Bullock unicorn or wild oxen

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EPHRAIM: Bullock unicorn or wild oxen

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Watch out for the counterfeit.

Those tricky little serpents love to photobomb don't they? Lol.

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Sometimes hearts are hardened that separation can come for the purpose of depending on God and not another. Just as blindess came in part to israel that the christian could come forth

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And a furnace of affliction after a certain point to complete his work in his peoples lives

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Judges 3:7
"And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the LORD, and forgat the LORD their God, and served Baalim and the groves"


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When men and women realize they are neither. That they are in fact only human. The Kingdom will come. Humans are evolving into christ consciousness. Revelations is metaphysical, not physical. Men are doing all they can including continued denial of the she placing herself next to he so they can become we. Not she coming to take over for he. Both becoming one as they once were. Snakes represented the soul well before the OT. Another of mens lies to place some thing between humans and gods.

We all have the same God which is both female and male and neither.

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Sometimes hearts are hardened that separation can come for the purpose of depending on God and not another. Just as blindess came in part to israel that the christian could come forth

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God sometimes sends his agent in
And a furnace of affliction after a certain point to complete his work in his peoples lives

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King James Bible
The LORD shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come, from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.



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Waterman, love you, but you're so affected. Do you know what that means? Tell me what is really on your mind, no holds barred, raw truth. And what did you mean in an earlier post (maybe on this thread, maybe not) about Judah or Ephraim rejecting their meeting each other?

Can you tell the truth? It is written that it is the glory of God to conceal a thing but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

I want to know what is truly in your heart and on your mind minus the graphics and vague references.

Also, if you don't mind, could you post the old pic you used to use as your avatar of the surfer riding the wave?
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the beauty of it lies in the fact that the mystery of God is in nowise finished upon the earth, nor within the minds of the peoples hereupon

in spite of the fact that He's foretold us all things

I believe that the world will be amazed and taken aback by many things that will yet be brought to pass herein in what remains of this Age...

and that there are twists and turns of perception that to date have kept mankind surmising erroneously in several different regards

all of which yet remain to be seen...

; )
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Finally, some wisdom.

OP, you're a nasty person, and rude to boot. My spirit cannot stand you. Ick.
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Waterman, love you, but you're so affected. Do you know what that means? Tell me what is really on your mind, no holds barred, raw truth. And what did you mean in an earlier post (maybe on this thread, maybe not) about Judah or Ephraim rejecting their meeting each other?

Can you tell the truth? It is written that it is the glory of God to conceal a thing but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

I want to know what is truly in your heart and on your mind minus the graphics and vague references.

Also, if you don't mind, could you post the old pic you used to use as your avatar of the surfer riding the wave?
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Sooo today you love me but last week you couldn't stand me. I guess I'm confused:







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Misty Edwards - Like Solomon
The children of God will go through the furnace snd some will come forth as silver and some will come forth as gold





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It's all irrelevant if it happened before Noah's time because that was when the world population was wiped out (except Noah's family) and began again.
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Judah and Joseph were born after Noah so it is relevant

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It's all irrelevant if it happened before Noah's time because that was when the world population was wiped out (except Noah's family) and began again.
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Judah and Joseph were born after Noah so it is relevant

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In this diagram, it goes from Judah to king David. It skips the fact that Judah had twins, Perez and Zerah. This is the story were Zerah about to be born first hand came out of the womb and was tagged with a red thread by the midwife. Zerah pulled his hand back into the womb and Perez was born first. Zerah was tagged to receive the blessings but Perez got them.

King David came thru the lineage of Perez, however in the lineage of Christ it list both Perez and Zerah as the lineage. That is impossible unless you understand that Perez brought the physical lineage of Christ and Zerah brings the spiritual and final stand. Both fulfill the requirement of JUDAH.

The Scottish claim to be the descendants of Zerah. The scots have in their possession the Stone of Scone, which is supposed to be the stone in which Jabob laid his head on when he saw "Jacobs ladder". The British monarchy use this stone by placing it under the corination chair, a special throne for coronations only.

BTW, the British flag is called the "Union Jack" , for the union of Jakob aka Jacob..

So from a spiritual law and prophecy fulfillment are concerned the sons of the Scottish heritage are all that are required for prophecy to be completed.
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the beauty of it lies in the fact that the mystery of God is in nowise finished upon the earth, nor within the minds of the peoples hereupon

in spite of the fact that He's foretold us all things

I believe that the world will be amazed and taken aback by many things that will yet be brought to pass herein in what remains of this Age...

and that there are twists and turns of perception that to date have kept mankind surmising erroneously in several different regards

all of which yet remain to be seen...

; )
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Finally, some wisdom.

OP, you're a nasty person, and rude to boot. My spirit cannot stand you. Ick.
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Waterman, love you, but you're so affected. Do you know what that means? Tell me what is really on your mind, no holds barred, raw truth. And what did you mean in an earlier post (maybe on this thread, maybe not) about Judah or Ephraim rejecting their meeting each other?

Can you tell the truth? It is written that it is the glory of God to conceal a thing but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

I want to know what is truly in your heart and on your mind minus the graphics and vague references.

Also, if you don't mind, could you post the old pic you used to use as your avatar of the surfer riding the wave?
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Sooo today you love me but last week you couldn't stand me. I guess I'm confused:







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Nice videos. The Misty one actually made me cry. But forgive me if I'm a bit jaded and want nothing to do with cryptic bullshit anymore. When you've had your heart ripped to shreds, you kinda get like that and crave total honesty. Wisdom, perhaps? Honestly, glad to sacrifice myself but don't want anything to do with the after-effects of cryptic spiritual warfare that serves the physical exaltation. Do you know I experienced such a devastating loss as to cause my neck to seize up with an excruciatingly painful knot for nearly two years because of said cryptic bullshit/betrayal? No. I'd rather call it quits and live a normal life of salty kisses in the ocean with the man I love, who is a nobody on the totem pole. Let someone else take the limelight. The limelight sucks, big time.
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1 chronicles 5:2:

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For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and from him came the prince; but the birthright was Joseph's:)

Joseph:

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Judah

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Joseph/Ephraim and Judah represent two nations, two kingdoms and two faimilies. The relationship between these two is described as Isaiah 11:13:

Jubilee Bible 2000
The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off; Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.

The division of the families, nations and peoples of Joseph/Ephraim(northern kingdom) and Judah(southern kingdom) are going to be brought together by God through two people(two witnesses) with the same personality and demeanor of their kingdom(northern or southern kingdom). These two individuals will be at odds with the other as they represent nations separated until God unites them and then God will use them to unite the two kingdoms so that Israel will be whole again

Judah and his companions and Joseph and his companions
Ezekiel 37:

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.


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When Judah and Joseph finish their mission they will die so they will be able to be testators of their testament as we know from Hebrews no testament is of any strength while the testator is still alive Hebrews 9:16-17:
16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.

17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


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This is why the two witnesses lie dead in street for 3.5 days and then are raised to life to become two testators. One of the kingship and the other of the priesthood in the millennial kingdom while Jesus rules from heaven at the right hand of the father. As we know Jesus said his kingdom is not of this world and will allow the two witnesses to rule for the 1000 years plus the season satan is loosed until the new heaven and new earth are created and at that time Jesus will dwell with us as is stated in Revelation 21:

Revelation 21:

The New Jerusalem
Revelation 21:2
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Rev 21:22:
22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

After the two witnesses Joseph and Judah have finished their reign in the 1000 year millennium and the season satan is loosed they will sit on the left and right of Jesus. Joseph(prince of priests) and David(prince of kings) and Jesus KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS being both PRIEST AND KING AFTER THE ORDER OF MELCHELZEDEK!!!

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Genesis 1:28:

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

In the beginning two were promised to have dominion over every living thing on earth. Judah and Joseph will fulfill this promise in the end as they will rule and reign in the 1000 year millennium plus the season satan is loosed which will probably be 260 years bringing the total dominion of the two witnesses to 1260 years which will be 1 year for each day they ruled and reigned in the 7 year tribulation as we know the two witnesses have dominion for 1260 days.

Then a new heaven and new earth will be created and the promises and covenants will be fulfilled and Jesus will rule and reign on earth amen!!

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It's all irrelevant if it happened before Noah's time because that was when the world population was wiped out (except Noah's family) and began again.
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Noah's family (8 souls) were the only ADAMIC souls saved....however 2 of every flesh was aboard the ARK...that means 2 of every human race (6 day creation human) was aboard the ARK.. to include a pair of every animal/fowl, etc.
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It's all irrelevant if it happened before Noah's time because that was when the world population was wiped out (except Noah's family) and began again.
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Noah's family (8 souls) were the only ADAMIC souls saved....however 2 of every flesh was aboard the ARK...that means 2 of every human race (6 day creation human) was aboard the ARK.. to include a pair of every animal/fowl, etc.
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08/21/2014 02:31 AM
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Re: Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre
Chicken.





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