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Message Subject Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre
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"Who has the birthright and sceptre out of Jacob's sons from his two wives: Joseph and Judah - From Rachel and Leah"

Joseph is firstborn of Jacob and Rachel, the woman he truly loved and had to wait 14 years to marry, because Laban, the girls father's rule was the older had to be married before the younger. Leah being the holder bore Jacob 6 children:

1. Ruben (who slept with Bilha, handmaiden of Leah, lost his birthright and Bilha was banned from the camp)

2. Simeon, Leah

3. Levi, Leah

4. Judah, Leah (Leah becomes temporary barren)

5. Dan, of Bilha

6. Naphtali, Bilha

7. Gad, Zilpha Rachael's Handmaiden

8. Asher, Zilpha

9. Issacar, Leah

10.Zebulon, Leah, 14 years is up Rachael becomes Jacob's wife

11.Joseph is Rachel and Jacob's first born, receives the firstborn birthright, Joseph's firstborn Mannasseh, receives Ruben's firstborn right...

THEREFORE THE BIRTHRIGHT REMAINS WITH JOSEPH/MANNASSEH
WHICH IS THE LAND OF THE U.S.A./CANADA --HOUSE OF ISRAEL

12. Benjamin, remains with tribe of Judah in Jerusalem, both very small tribes.

The Scepter (lawgiver) will always remain with Judah...for it was through Judah/Tamar, the twin of Zarah, PHEREZ bore Jesus Christ, the King...so the Scepter remains with Judah...

Read Genesis 49...to see what Judah looks like today, and Joseph!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60438315


Gen 49:10:

King James Bible
The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

Jesus has the sceptre and will give it to the witness(David) that will rule in the 1000 year millennium. This David is the shiloh that is coming and to him shall be the gathering of the people after messiah ben "Joseph" pushes the lost 10 tribes together as is stated in deut 33:

13 And of Joseph he said, Blessed of the Lord be his land, for the precious things of heaven, for the dew, and for the deep that coucheth beneath,

14 And for the precious fruits brought forth by the sun, and for the precious things put forth by the moon,

15 And for the chief things of the ancient mountains, and for the precious things of the lasting hills,

16 And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren.

17 His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

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 Quoting: waterman


Genesis 49:8-10--> Judah: Do you look like a Judah today?
8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.

9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

(him describes Judah-----Judah w/Tamar entwines Judah and Joseph through these two...Zarah and Pherez....we know the seedline of Pherez ended with Christ---he had no children. So it's the seedline of the Scarlet Thread, Zarah that lives today........so that ONE will put the two sticks together....but the gathering of the people will be done by Christ....he promises to bring the people back together whom he spread all across the planet...known as the Nation of Israel...most souls walking the earth today have no clue if they are in the Nation of Israel...but rest assured Christ knows them and when it's time....they will hear his voice, and they will obey....that's yet to come.)

Genesis 49:22-26 JOSEPH: Do you look like a Joseph today?

22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:

23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:

24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel:)

25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:

26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

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Joseph IS the USA/Canada...we are the most fruitful bough on the planet.......and the archers have sorely grieved him....we Christians are hated in the world...but we are made strong by the mighty God of Jacob,,,, and from thence is the Shepherd, the Stone of Israel ---

The STONE OF ISRAEL, is jacob's pillar, and it resides in Great Brittian....but it's broken...why? i believe it's broken because the queen is a fraud...hence the stone was taken away by God Almighty and a broken stone was put in it's place to show the people the Ephriam is a fraud....in the Book of Hosea, God Almighty told Hosea to stay away from Ephrian (This is Joseph's youngest child, Ephriam) because in the latter days Ephriam worships SATAN....and sure enough....Great Brittin/Queen is a phedophile, their nation is crumbling, no blessings from God to Ephriam.

The Bible is the best book ever written...for God has foretold us all things through his prophets and through himself, for Christ was the flesh temple body housing the spiritual body of himself...YHVH


BTW, there is a good book written of Joseph and Judah...it's called the Abrahamic covenant...it is a study of God's people and how to identify them...

and also, a good read is Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright by J. A. Allen....clearly lays out what your thread is all about!

have a nice day!
 
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