Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

How many conformations do you think Joseph got with 10 brothers who didn't even like him? Do you think they patted him on the backk and said "yep your probably right"...lol

Did you not read the malbim writings I posted on your thread...it states Joseph gets no conformations....but "he encourages himself".....why because he looks for someone but there is none.


Psalm 69:20
King James Bible
Reproach hath broken my heart; and I am full of heaviness: and I looked for some to take pity, but there was none; and for comforters, but I found none.


142:4:

King James Bible
I looked on my right hand, and beheld, but there was no man that would know me: refuge failed me; no man cared for my soul.

King david lacks two things in a davidic kingship and levitic priesthood kingdom

1. He is unable to be the high priest or the priesthood becomes melchelzedek order and the prophecy is unfulfilled...and all the prophecies will be fullfilled

2. In order to be the high priest in a levitic priesthood which are substitues for the firstborn birthright holders you have to have the firstborn birthright..who has that? Joseph 1 chronicles 5:2..........david can go all the way up his line until he reaches Judah and he will not find he has the firstborn birthright....it is way over there in Josephs line...1 chronicles 5:2






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Watermam, you are always taking scripture out of context or replacing it with the wrong time lineage. These verses you quote haven't even taken place yet in theses prophecies, much less at this present time.

Everyone goes through discouragements and rejection in life. This doesn't make them or you some future Joseph...lol.

Got to go, will look over the rest of the posts after I return.

Ezeliel 37 tells us which lines these two anointed(two sticks) will come from...one from Joseph and the other from Judah and we know David is from Judah




How to tell one from the other

Judah will not even realize that he doesn't have the firstborn birthright as we see from 1 chronicles 5:2 that blessing goes to 2nd born Joseph..just as it did with issac..jacob..ephraim..etc..because the firstborn blessing has to make it down the Joseph line until it reaches the final witness....just as the sceptre blessing makes its way down the line until it reaches the other witness(david)

Joseph will be able to see his brother before his brother can see him...in the spiritual and in the volume of the book


Judah will not be able to see Joseph(birthright holder) even in the book..Judah will simply see an Elijah and the volume of the book will be about himself..He will make himself 1st born and 2nd born...king and high priest in a davidic and levitic kingdom..which is not possible

Joseph on the other hand will be able to see Judah in the volume of the book as 1st born and civil/kingly leaders

And he will be able to see himself as firstborn birthright holder and priestly leader

If you can't see your partner in the volume of the book you aren't Jospeh because Joseph can see both positions. Joseph knows the birthright goes to the 2nd born in the volume of the book and 1 chronicles 5:2 tells us he has it. David/Judahs position is king


How are you from two lines friend...even Jesus couldn't do that...still think you have the first born birthright? when the volume of the book tells us it is the line of 2nd born joseph who has the firstborn birthright and david is from the line of judah which is the sceptre/king line









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I believe you are looking for the word confirmation not conformation from your brothers.

Listen I explained the reason you see the prince operational (Ezek.44) in his duties as priest during the millennial reign and beyond (we as individuals are both kings and priests forever) [Rev.5:10kjv.] Just as the Lord is both a King and a Priest forever. You ignored my statement as you simply ignore every explanation in my many post to you.

As I said to you before many times, believe as you will. Many have already disagreed with your posts on your different threads, calling it either a mere theory, conjuncture or a more harsh truth, false teaching.

You seem to be happy in your delusional deception. So except God intervenes, you may remain so. Time however, will reveal the true second witness (Gad/Elijah,) who is not the hidden witness but comes forth with the crown (the prince, the other hidden/Joseph/witness (Gen.49:26-Deut.33:20kjv.) He is the prince even the hidden arrow, that Joseph, not seen even by his brethren [Isa.49:2-Rev.6:2kjv.]

Sorry I couldn't convince you what was long ago revealed to me and confirmed many times by many witnesses before and afterwards. Delusions however work that well/way. One of the enemies greatest tactics.

This afternoon I had a dream of Zadok again, and he looked like this..8/12/16

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3/14/15

I heard this waking up..

Zadok, high priest


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Don't forget the 2nd Elijah John the Baptist came from the line of Levi...so how hard is it for God to bring the third Elijah from the line of Joseph..do you think God will waste the firstborn birthright line and not have the other witness come from it...lol..you are only from the line of Judah friend...and there is no first-born birthright in that line


Excuse my spelling friend as I am always posting on the run with my phone...speedy scribe you might say...lol


P.S

If we are keeping track of spelling errors..you wrote madder instead of matter 2nd paragraph 8 posts up...lol

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We will see. I know who I am by someone who makes the order of the claims my friend, and no mortal man can ever steal what was/is mine by God's incomprehensible grace; preordained and made to understand in me before you even recognized that hidden one.

Mostly remember prophecy always follows the man not the man the prophecy. You failed in the prophecy after your physician that delivered you died long ago. and you had no consanguineous brethren (plural.) Much more that they were separate from you. There are many many other reasons why you are not that man, but two witnesses are sufficient according to scripture.

You simply fail to see him (the hidden witness,) b/c you cannot understand that he is being revealed in many different ways/roles as that prince in scripture, as David/Job/Joseph/Israel/Jacob/with many names and titles/etc.

Yet, the other witness is not hidden, he always is seen plainly in scripture as he is meant to be, known simply by his one name. Thus, man has no excuse when he Elijah appears not as if he was ever hidden from them, as the other witness shall be. For all men (generically speaking) Jews and Christians, are expecting the symbolic Elijah to come before the Messiah returns in the end days, that witness already exposed and is not hidden in his meaning.

No madder was the correct and intentional spelling, look up the meaning..lol.

With all your buttery words I guess I can't keep up with you friend(psalm 55:21)


No one is trying to steal what is yours and yours is the kingship....what is the other witness' is the birthright and the priesthood...learn what's yours and what's not...lol



Keep in mind Joseph is hidden from "all" his brothers and David being from judah is Judah and he won't be able to see Joseph either....kinda like what you are trying to do when you try to come from the line of Judah and the line of Joseph..lol...you can only be from one line and David is from Judah....the firstborn birthright line of joseph is reserved for the other witness




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It seems you misquoted a verse again. It's not [psalm.55:21] friend, but [Psalm.45:1kjv] I believe you were searching for..lol.

By the way what about those consanguineous brothers of yours? Where is your physician? Oh yes he has passed already. What about that prolonged extension of time within the womb? Don't you realize Joseph saw his own dream/vision first about himself, and his calling of many titles/subjects/stars.

It wasn't something imagined void of any visions or confirmations as it was imagined by some secondary fraud, my friend. These things were revealed to him in live converse with the source of all life. Which you are fully aware of. Thus, (the fraud) claiming to be Joseph after the meaning of that ones calling was already shown to him (the fraud) by the true visionary and called one, is not scriptural at all.

Nowhere in scripture does it say a second Joseph came along after the true Joseph had already received his calling. Thus, afterward another sought to claim he was that chosen/hidden one/Enoch. Simply believing he was because that hidden one was revealed to him through that very visionary who had already received that promise/calling ...lol.

Judah, my friend, represents the King of all (He is the Loin of Judah,) and Joseph represents the spiritual son/prince of the King. It's not complicated. Afterwards, scripture reveals the tribes in their purpose (past, present, and future) and the nations are also shown therein. You however twist everything into individuals that is not accurate in scriptural meanings. Sorry but your imagination follows too submissively after false instructions or worse yet false teachings.

Nevertheless, believe as you will, it only will cause you heartache in the end. Only remember though that heartache such as this will only be from your own pride. Such heartache is easily dispersed through repentance, but it's the hardest to acknowledge.

Waterman, you have forced my hand over and over again these last few years and I have found it very discomforting. For I unlike you have no desire to expose my life or some of the events that has happened therein. I consider whatever direction my life takes me is but by the grace of the Most High. You on the other hand seem to want to boast of the position you believe you hold, which I can assure you, you do not. I ask that you consider who is telling you this, if you believe, whom you profess that I am.

I no longer desire to communicate with you over this same subject. You have wearied me over this nonsense of yours and the enemy always desires to weary those who God calls forth for some service in the future. This is why I believe so many scoundrels are always in a weary state. God only looks for such individuals. For it is but few noble ones he seeks or even wise within themselves. Even the coward has favor with God. For God can always work with us useless men. We are easy to mold in our weaknesses. Nevertheless, the proud will never find aid from His glorious hand and in His kind favor.

Now I know you're not seeing clearly for all are blind until the time is purposed/fulfilled. Then will the hidden one be revealed and he shall startle/sprinkle the nations [Isa52:15kjv.] Thus, will be the fulfillment of [Isa.49:1-13kjv,] and Shiloh's duties shall then commence. Even though his disappointment in his fellows produced but useless labor, and unbelief. Nevertheless, his end results will be vindicated by Him whose source established in the very beginning that one's conviction.

The whole book is about reunifying the 1st born and the 2nd born.

It's great you have kids but the scriptures are writing about the firstborn and 2nd born... As soon as your interpretation had the firstborn being surnamed Jacob the 2nd born I knew your interpretation was wrong because it is talking about the 2nd born Jacob/Israel and first-born Judah/Israel as two separate individuals

Isaiah 44:5 is speaking about two individuals. The first individual is 2nd born with firstborn birth right Jacob/Israel.....The second individual is Judah/Israel the firstborn


Isaiah 44:5King James Version (KJV)

5 One shall say, I am the Lord's; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the Lord, and surname himself by the name of Israel.


and right here again two individuals...2nd born Jacob and firstborn Judah/Israel



Isaiah 45:4King James Version (KJV)

4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.


You don't have to keep repeating Jacob and Israel if you are talking about the same person..why does it do it then because it isn't talking about the same person...it is talking about the firstborn(judah/Israel) and the 2nd born(jacob/Israel)

When you get to the throne room and you see the other witness getting the birthright and priesthood..don't act suprised..I tried to tell you over and over.

Friend you are from the line of Judah...you cant also be from the line of Joseph..the line of joseph is where the firstborn birthright is but that is not davids...david has the kingship...one tribal line per customer...lol


1 Chronicles 5:2
Though Judah prevailed over his brothers, and from him came the leader, yet the birthright belonged to Joseph),



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Isaiah 44:5:


5 One shall say, I am the LORD'S; and another shall call himself by the name of Jacob; and another shall subscribe with his hand unto the LORD, and surname himself by the name of Israel.


When the one calls himself Jacob he is saying "I'm the 2nd born"...when the other says he is Israel he is saying "I am the first-born"

If this verse is speaking about one individual instead of two...then it is telling us that only the 2nd born Jacob which name was changed to Israel is surnamed...what surnames will he be able to have? Only the 2nd born surnames Eve..Issac..Jacob..Joseph..Ephraim etc

If you further divide the surnames of the two... one having the kingship/civil leader and the other having the priesthood...now you have your Mose/Aaron..Zerrubabel/Joshua...etc

When you see Isaiah 44:5 with two being surnamed instead of one.....you cover all the firstborn and all the 2nd born because a 1st born can never be a 2nd born...so now you have

Adam/Eve

Jacob/Israel and Judah/Israel

Joshua/Zerrubabbel

Moses/Aaron

Judah/Joseph

etc

A 2nd born Jacob/Israel can not cover 1st born and 2nd born in the voulume of the book he can only be surnamed the 2nd born.........therefore when we read Isaiah 44:5 it is speaking of 2 individuals 1st born Judah/Israel and 2nd born Jacob/Israel......then you cover everybody in the book by having the 1st born and 2nd born surnamed...

Divide like this

Masculine/feminine

1st born/ 2nd born

Kingship/ Priesthood





Adam firstborn(masculine)father of humanity..Eve 2nd born(feminine)Mother of humanitiy...Adam the firstborn isn't coming back by himself friend the 2nd born will also arrive...born on the 6th day and come back in the 6000th year...a day is as a year and a year as a thousand

2nd peter 3:8:

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

2nd born birthright holders...gotta love em cuz you can't kill em...lol



You are aware Jacob/Israel is the feminine
Judah/Israel is the masculine
You are aware Jacob/Israel is the feminine
Judah/Israel is the masculine
You are aware Jacob/Israel is the feminine
Judah/Israel is the masculine




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As one of the witnesses you have to experience the lowest of the low Judas experience.. I experienced it for 10.5 years in a hellish prison(rev2:10).it is one of the tests...luckily yours won't last that long.



Yours is a Judah and Joseph experience. Judah meaning Judas... Because like Judah there is anger because Joseph the 2nd born receives the birthright...and he thought if he could get rid of joseph physically or spiritually he would inhierit the birthright... But the scriptures tell us josephs bow abode in strength.



Remember I didn't write the plan God did... So you"re not fighting against me you fight against the one who made the plan

I just don't like the disfigured servant part(isaiah 52)..which is the suffering servant joseph. Time is drawing near for Jacobs trouble(2nd born with the birthright) again 2nd born birthright holder being joseph 1chronicles 5:2 and David being chief leader from what tribe?... Judah/judas

Wake up friend.. The first-born can't complete the mission without the 2nd born birthright holder



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Do you know why david from the line of judah cant see joseph (the 2nd born with the birthright 1 chron 5:2)..because you think you are 1st born and 2nd born....look for your 2nd born...eve...issac...Jacob..joseph...ephraim...etc..watch for the crossing of the hands for the 2nd born...Surely you realize you are firstborn if you understand you are the Adam and not the 2nd born eve/issac/jacob/joseph/ephraim...look at the two nations if it helps one is masculine and the other feminine...one firstborn and the other 2nd born
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You can't be both 1st born and 2nd born
..and being judah(firstborn) you won't see joseph the 2nd born even if you knew him...lol






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LOL! 10.5 years in a hellish prison. Is that the period you kept buying things like new motor cycles, dirt bikes, pool tables, trampolines, cars, weight lifting sets, big screen T.V's, and going on many vacations b/c you were kinda bored... hellish prison?..Lol. Hellish prison, how would you know where you were; you were in a kind of pleasant drunken stupor most of the time, concerned with only your self gratifications during that time period...lol. Again hellish prison, my a**, you wouldn't know a hellish prison if it came up and bit you on the a**..lol.

Don't give me that excuse of your own mental torment. You alone brought on your own disappointments b/c of many reasons. Mostly listening to the misdirection of others b/c you lacked the courage to defend your God given objective. Opinions of others is what you seem to base your who life on my friend even when it comes to your threads. Stop trying to play the martyr, too many people know your story in real life and it is not becoming toward your already flawed character.

Wake-up my friend you're living in fantasy land. There is only one first-born in any family unit, not two, There is only an Israel/Jacob individual, not an Israel and a Jacob personage as you keep claiming, thus distorting scripture in the process of that claim.

I agree there is only one firstborn....fortunately it is the 2nd born who gets the birthright..thanks for the post...lol






Won't be able to reply any more tonight camping in mountains no reception..be back down to town tomorrow

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Correct, and scripture teaches that the lion of Judah known as (Jesus Christ) is the first-born of many brethren, and the first-born from the dead [Col.1:18KJV] [Rom.8:29KJV.] Jesus is the firstborn.

Symbolically representing the second-born is Joseph however, who has the consanguineous brethren, and is hidden [Isa.49:2KJV.] He shall/is granted the firstborn's birthrights on earth to head the congregation in the end days. That he might stand in the midst of the congregation (even as the symbolic Joseph/Shiloh shall come forth) thereof, as it is foretold in scripture and prophecy [Psalm.22:22KJV,] [Gen.49:10KJV,] [Isa.49:2-6KJV.]

Joseph/Shiloh therefore, in the end shall hold the scepter as the crown of the head [Gen.49:26KJV] of the congregation. He shall therefore be given the birthright of the firstborn for a period of time as the representative of the true King and (the scepter holder,) the symbolic Joseph as the prince of Israel [Ezek.21:25-27KJV,] shall be granted temporarily the firstborn's birthrights during that time period!

For Israel, as God's firstborn son [Exod.4:22KJV] in this scenario, does not represent Jesus. Jesus is the King of Israel. Yet, God declares Israel is his firstborn son. Not firstborn nation, but son. This cannot be speaking of Jesus as symbolically representing Israel (as God's firstborn son.) For how can the King/Ruler of Israel, (King of the Jews,) be relegated to a position under his own ruler-ship!

No this Israel being spoken of here in [Exod.4:22] represents God's order of direction for the future purpose of His own calling forth of the man-child in the end days [Rev.12:5KJV.] This Israel spoken of as the firstborn son is Israel/meaning prince, is a symbolic individual, the true prince of Israel [Ezek.21.25-27KJV.] God later in scripture refers to Ephraim [Jer.31:9KJV] as his firstborn also. Yet, it is not speaking of individuals in this context, for Israel is also mentioned in that same verse.

Did God change his mind later on in scripture and choose Ephraim as his new firstborn. No, of course not, God was only depicting future events when all the tribes appear together again as Israel/Ephraim in the end, Israel/Ephraim is one of the same nation in God's eyes. Ephraim therefore in this passage represents the same nation as Israel. Therefore, this time God is speaking about a nation Ephraim not an individual/son.

Learn to discern scripture correctly waterman. Notice, in [Jer.31:9KJV] The nation is called his firstborn (nation,) but not his firstborn SON, in that passage, as if He were speaking to/about an individual. So there is no concept of another individual in this passage as one called God's firstborn SON..as you keep declaring.

Waterman, there are so many flaws in you many different claims that scripture simply proves you incorrect over and over, but I am sure you are still busy looking for those consanguineous brethren of yours to be too concerned..lol. You are too blind to see my friend, as it is meant to be. You once told me my friend, you wish never to contend with me. You seem to have violated your own principles. I say this not to boast of any efforts of my own, but simply according to your own claim of knowing my position beforehand.


Therefore, both Israel and Ephraim are of that same kingdom, not all of Israel shall be gathered at that time of the end [Isa.49:5KJV.] Why? b/c at that time Ephraim's portion of Israel shall only recognize the true Messiah. Yet, another individual (symbolic Elijah, from the tribe of Gad comes forth to fight with/alongside the crown of the head (Joseph,) thus, a nexus of God's purpose of calling, [Deut.33:20KJV.] He (Elijah) must reveal the true Messiah as commisioned to the remaining people already called beforehand. Then when he (Elijah/the deliverer,) shall appear all of Israel shall be saved [Rom.11:26KJV.]

The 2nd Elijah(John) came from the tribe of levi...the final Elijah will come from the line of joseph (2nd born birthright holder)

The story of Adam and eve is showing the separation of the firstbon and second born as examples in the southern kingdom (judah/adam firstborn) and northern kingdom (jacob/eve 2nd born with firstborn birthright)

David the king is from only one line and that line is the firstborn line judah where kings come from...the other witness is from the line of joseph (2nd born birthright holder) which he will use to have dominion over the priesthood


You try to be firstborn and 2nd born and when it don't work out you claim one verse is the firstborn and the other is just the nation.....you won't be able to see joseph the 2nd born birthright holder it has already been written that way..you have the mentality of the nation you represent (judah)..they can't see the 2nd born either....but in the throne room you will when he receives the birthright and priesthood...lol

You don't understand two were promised dominion in genesis..the masculine firstborn and feminine 2nd born..learn the difference between firstborn and 2nd born and you will read the scriptures correctly...but you can't do that because the 2nd born receives the birthright and priesthood...so just be content with what you want it to say until the fullness of the gentiles and the throne room visit...lol



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Waterman, I am content with whatever position I might receive in life. I make no claims toward any other position then what was revealed to me long ago, and it was not by you my friend. I never made any claim that scripture didn't affirm if discernibly understood. It was never me who was upset by any claims made by me or others..but you..lol! You sought that which is and never was promised to you, simply b/c you were jealous, for your lack of any acknowledgement from any source, of any promise to you. Sorry life isn't always fair.

So you apparently decided to make up a new version of scripture and add your own interpretation. Void of any solid evidence. Even when it is clearly pointed out to you that what you claim is not even what the Word is actually stating.

A few Examples: when it doesn't say son in [Jer.31:9KJV] but it speaks instead about Ephraim and Israel as nations in that passage. You still defile scripture and claim it says son, when it doesn't, simply b/c you think so!

You claim Israel and Jacob are two different individuals. Yet, scripture makes it perfectly clear in [Gen.35:10KJV] these two names apply to only one individual. Yet, you disagree simply b/c you don't think so!

You claim the final Elijah will come from the line of Joseph, simply b/c you think so! Yet, scripture speaks of Elijah who originally came from the tribe of Gad. Not coming from the line of Joseph, but coming with Joseph to fight along side him in the end [Deut.33:20!] How do I know that this verse is speaking about the end time symbolic Joseph, instead of the first Joseph. Because Deut was written long after the time of the first Joseph lived, and long before the first and second symbolic Elijah's appears.

My points are made lucid by quoting scripture in verse and/or passage in the Word. Your explanations are of obfuscation through the expressions of some/your imaginary manipulations of the wrong, unscriptual, claims, without any demonstrable scriptural facts.

Give me a break waterman! Your only objective is your own self promotion, lacking any confirmation, and your self recognition of a new discovery of a false religious belief system made up through your own imaginary prospect..lol.

As I have previous said waterman, "believe as you will." Nevertheless, interpreting scripture without accurately quoting scripture must be some kind of a violation of the spiritual code of spiritual ethics. Thus, lacking any solid proof, of any sound truth, of any imaginary claims.

Thanks for taking the time to post...back in town for an ice cream cone and heading back up to my camp site..be back down from the mountain tomorrow


P.S

My ice cream cone was delicious and we will get you reunited with the 2nd born even if you have to do it kicking and screaming and a rebuke in the throne room..have a good one...lol



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Sad waterman, you are at this point hopelessly in bondage to a deception beyond your ability to escape.

The throne visit is not to verify by the Firstborn (Jesus Christ,) your unscriptual claims about a second, second-born, but the throne visit does tell us of its several purposes and revealings of its several callings in [Dan.7:13-14KJV,] [Rev.2:26-28,] [Zech.3:1-9,] [Psalms.18:19-20-Psalms.31:8KJV] [Rev.12:5KJV,] and (2Esdras.13KJV.) There is no scriptural reference to your claim that the man-child will be shown some screwball revelation in heaven about another second-born, of your non-scriptural references by and thru your imaginary deceptive evil cohorts...lol.

Sorry waterman, life in God's kingdom is not always fair. Especially if you're non-scriptural in your superficial false teachings.

Believe as you will! Making sure everyone knows your up in that mountain fasting. I mean eating ice cream and camping..lol.

Come on waterman you and I know there are no mountains in our area. We only have a few hills at most, safe enough to jump off feet first I might add...lol. So stop acting as if your in some mountain seeking someone who never seems to communicate with you anyhow..no confirmations ever, verifies that explanation of a truth!

Waterman, believe as you will. I am done explaining anything/posting with you from now on! I also am done following your threads. There is nothing but a useless purpose to it. Following after false teachings encourages the enemy to gain a foothold against the truth of God's Word and callings.

Adam is not a second born..he is firstborn...you really need to stop trying to be a second born it's not your position...lol..here is the first born and 2nd born the masculine and feminine





You seem to forget two are promised power and dominion...there are only two dominions...civil leader/manchild and high priest joshua...guess which one you aren't

You think I'm still in town?...I'm in Colorado for the next few days and there are a few mountains here..lol..5 hour hike on one of those mountains yesterday..saw a bull moose.

To unite a firstborn judah/Israel nation with a 2nd born jacob/Israel nation you have to have a firstborn and a second born representatives/witnesses who experience how the two nations feel...they start out together aNd then searate..then join again...you can't lead a people who you haven't experienced how they feel toward each other..but after the throne room visit where God unites the two witnesses and gives them power they judah/Israel and jacob/isreal will be able to join the two nations judah/israel/masculine with jacob/israel/feminine...with the power God gives these two representatves/witnesses

Happy RoshHashanah which starts tonight

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Two nations..one kingly and the other priestly...the joining of the two making a royal priesthood

Two witnesses/representatves one kingly david/manchild and one priestly/joshua the high priest The leaders of the royal priesthood

Just as the kingly nation won't be able to see the 2nd born priestly naton neither will the kingly david be able to see the 2nd born priestly witness..but the 2nd born will be able to see the firstborn.

If you try to be first born judah nation/witness and 2nd born jacob nation/witness..you are blind to seeing the 2nd born...you are that person sword


You can't be firstborn and 2nd born..but you will only see as the nation you represent...so enjoy the view for now..it won't be the same at the fullness of the gentiles and throne room visit the kingship is the firstborns..the birthright and priesthood is the 2nd borns...lol





There are two dominions(kingly and priestly) and two are promised dominion in genesis 1:28...one priestly and one kingly...Only the kingly is yours in a davidic and levitic kingdom...enjoy what is yours..lol




Jacob 2nd born with the birthright...thanks firstborn..I really do mean that..no sarcasm


Whose heel does the 2nd born jacob catch?..the firstborns...there is only one firstborn and I caught your heel...lol



There is no kingdom with only the masculine firstborn


You need the 2nd born feminine to complete the kingdom




And you said you wouldn't read my thread anymore...no one reads my thread after 10...welcome back...lol...you know your age is growing old and your promise of kingship is about to fillfilled..because you were never promised more than chief leader 1 chronicles 5:2...the 2nd witness is birthright and priesthood.





I am not your nemesis as you think..you.are mine...but the throne room visit will fix it...manchild/civil leader and joshuah/high priest

Psalm 55:13.
.you were the guide friend



UT

You have wrecked everything in your life and the only thing you have left is pride and that is soon to be wrecked.


There is an order to uniting the firstborn judah nation with 2nd born jacob nation

First you have to unite the firstborn witness with the 2nd born witness because they experince how those two nations feel.

Due to the pride of the firstborn witness just as the pride of the firstborn nation they won't be able to see the other nation or witness

I have been trying to unite with you for over 3 years...I stand in front of you and you keep trying to look around me to find the other witness....there is no one behind me friend...Elijah is sent before the other witness because those two witnesses aren't united when the priestly forerunner Elijah comes...that doesnt happen until the throne room due to the pride of the firstborn as shown in the volume of the book how a firstborn feels about a 2nd born with the birthright....look behind me friend there is no one else there.



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Didn't say I wouldn't read your threads. I said I wouldn't follow them. Have you ever read anything without misinterpreting it waterman..lol.

Waterman all you have in every explanation is theories, far-out theories I might add. Nothing that you base your conclusions on has any concrete evidence in scripture. Only your own speculation and that is half baked without any confirmation except your own concocted imagination..lol.

I explained to you through scripture, verse, and biblical passages many times over the years the whole purpose of the throne room visit by the man-child, exists for several purposes. None of them is for the purpose of a second, second-born theory as you envision from an imaginary source..lol.

I am not your nemesis waterman. To be your nemesis I would have to believe your theories of your imaginary wasted yearnings, and I don't and never will. You are of no more importance my friend in God's plan than the rest of his many children. Thinking that you are. Only downgrades your importance toward those who admire you, or in your case to yourself alone..lol.

Everything you conceive in speculation is simply that ..speculation. You never prove any scriptural sound evidence as to why you believe you are this all important individual that's going to save the whole of mankind, and all of this planet..lol. Grow-up waterman and stop living in your own fairyland. You are meant to be a follower of Christ, not a competitor with him, or your fellow Christian siblings...lol.

Sadly, waterman, what you have mostly done is intensified the difference toward the confusion of the meaning of the names of the purpose of the tribes of Israel, the nation of Israel, and the individual purpose of the man Israel. Much more, not even the mentioning of all the befuddling of the rest of the false scriptural meanings and interpretations your imagination has induced in your many threads!

Sadly, all of this effort of yours was simply for the sole purpose of your self-indulged desire toward a self promotion of importance in a futile effort to convince others that you are one of the two witnesses.

Now, waterman, as I have repeatedly said beforehand many times, "believe as you will." Its only harm is toward yourself. Nevertheless, without any confirmation from any witnesses whatsoever I would be very concerned, if I were you, that I might be on the wrong path toward the truth of God's Word. Maybe ambition is more consuming than you realize, and may involve many strong lies of convenience...lol.

Still think you're the mother and the father...the masculine and feminine from the line david is from(judah) which is firstborn and also from the line of joseph(2nd born with firstborn birthright)..but you won't for long...lol







The whole book is about the reunification of the firstborn with the 2nd born...but if you have another way around it I'm sure God would like to hear your plan..because I'm sure his was just a plan A and he would be open to your plan B:...lol

In your plan the 2nd born birthright holder is obsolete and Jesus died for nothing...good luck getting that one past the Father or Jesus..lol...but I'd still bet a shiny penny you will try to in the throne room visit when you see the 2nd born getting the priesthood and birthright...lol











Read the book....firstborn has to reunify with the 2nd born and you can't be both

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I have no contention concerning the second-born having the birthright. I just disagree on who you consider the firstborn to be. Judah is in question.

I believe Judah is speaking on the terms of (the lion of Judah) who represents (Jesus Christ, the King of Kings,) as Christians know him. Thus, he is the firstborn as we are informed. He is the firstborn of many brethren, and the firstborn from the dead, as scripture confirms. Don't know how you can get any clearer then that as representing the firstborn in God's eyes. [1Col.1:18,] [Rom.8:29KJV]!

The second-born symbolizes Joseph who represents the man with the consanguineous brethren. You don't believe that, so believe as you will, makes no difference to me. Why then should you care how I believe, unless you are seeking some form of recognition...lol.

It will be this second-born in the end, that shall stand in the midst of the congregation and sing God's praises. He is destined to rule as a prince in Israel for the end days, holding the signet position as did Joseph in his days as second in power. As he did as the prince ruler, under the Royal Pharaoh.

So why is it that you are so concerned as to how I believe?

Don't be concerned whether others recognize how wrong you are in your beliefs my friend. Just be contented that you believe as you do...lol.

I know your response will again be a plethora of past pastes you keep sending over and over on most of your threads. Perhaps it is a good strategy though. As Joseph Gerbil said "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it people will begin to believe it." This is exactly what you continue to do with your pasted material over and over.

Therefore, believe as you will. I am contented with what has been revealed to me and confirmed by many, my friend. Sorry you haven't the same testimony, as we both know..... Final response to your thread....bye.

ADAM is the first born...EVE is the 2nd born so pretend you are a 2nd born when we both know you are only a firstborn..you can pretend you are the masculine and the feminine but we both know you are only the masculine...you can pretend you are from the line david is from judah and the line of joseph but we both know you are only from the line of judah pretnd you are the mother and the father in the family but we both know you are only the father...your plan has the second born Eve just gone...lol..dp you think God made a mistake when he also promised 2nd born Eve dominion in genesis 1:28 or is it possible you are still in a deep sleep to seeing the 2nd born just as the firstborn nation is to seeing the 2nd born jacob nation..God has a plan and that plan is to reunite the firstborn mother and father and reunite the firstborn and second born children which reunites the whole family...sorry you don't get to be a single parent..lol.you are gonna be suprised...lol..thanks for the posts david from firstborn line judah..lol







As long as you are not longer replying as you stated I have a word for you...."favor ain't fair firstborn"...and that is what the 2nd born with firstborn birthright has. Thank esau the firstborn as i do who gave up the birthright. Have a good time until the throne room visit..you apparently will be suprised...lol...and to be polite "bye back"...but to be truthful I don't think you meant it as you haven't meant it for years..lol



2nd born getting the birthright...lol













Have any idea how the firstborn nation judah/israel feels about 2nd born birthright holder jacob/Israel yet?


You should by now it has taken me over 3 years to show you by example...lol..but I'm sure it won't come into focus until the throne room because the man-child david will be king in a united Israel and Jesus will be King of kings ruling from heaven. In a levitic priesthood which Jeremiah and Ezekiel tell us will be in effect on earth king david can't be high priest(Zechariah 3 joshua) or it becomes a melchelzedek order priesthood on earth and that is reserved for Jesus in heaven and the promise/prophecy goes unfullfilled so it will need sonmeone with a firstborn birthright who isn't david the king. Who has the firstborn birthright?...the other witness the 2nd born...now you have the first born david from firstborn line judah having the kingship dominion and Joseph from 2nd born line which is where the birthright line is....1st born promised dominion...2nd born promised dominion gen 1:28 fullfilled...lol






You can't represent a people who you can't relate to....look at the demeanor of the two nations to see what the demeanor of the two witnesses will be....a firstborn and a 2nd born don't play nice together because the 2nd born gets the birthright throughout the volume of the book...but it is needed in order to enable the 2nd born to have the position of high priest during the millennium

Ezekiel 37 judah and his companions

Joseph and his companions







Zechariah 4:11:

King James Bible
Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?


zechariah 4:14:

King James Bible
Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.



Tell the story again of how the two anointed become just one anointed...I'm sure the readers from firstborn Judah nation would love to hear it because they don't want to see the 2nd born either and if their representative can be firstborn and 2nd born they can be firstborn and 2nd born it would make them very "happy"...and you know what I mean by "happy"..lol












You follow in the footsteps of the nation you represent firstborn judah...you can't see the 2nd born so you pretend all the blessings of the 2nd born are yours...apple doesn't fall from the tree...lol..can't wait for the throne room visit to get this straightened out

Zechariah 12:10

Joseph dies in battle at the gates of jerusalem...this is what turns the hearts of the people back to God....Hmmm isn't that Elijah's job...one of his many surnames because the firstborn and 2nd born are surnamed isaiah 44:5....fortunately you don't think you die before the throne room visit even though scripture tells us no man can live and see God (Exodus 33:20)..lol

Divide the surnames

1st born/2nd born
Masculine/feminine
Civil leader/high priest

And you will read it correctly...or make them all one person and one nation and cancel out what Jesus died for and give everything to firstborn nation/witness judah...I'm teasing one person/nation getting all the blessings isn't even an option..lol




Firstborn and 2nd born nation(the children)....firstborn and 2nd born witnesses(the parents)...Until you learn that you will be lost in understanding the scriptures....but if you think you wanna be firstborn and 2nd masculine and feminine....continue as blind firstborn nation judah understands and make believe there is no second born nation/witness...lol

Then again a wounded one who thinks he is above everyone else will only take advice from God himself so we will wait until the throne room visit and he can tell you what I already told you...lol...the whole story is about about family and there is no family without the 2nd born mother/feminine.

















Your partner/other witness will not be one who sees as you see and agree with everything you think...your partner/witness will not see with the perspective the firstborn has he will see as the perspective the 2nd born has.....you look for one who sees as you see and you only see with one perspective...the perspective of the firstborn as the nation judah sees and with that perspective neither you nor the firstborn nation will see the 2nd born...so look for one with the same perspective you have and you will both fall in the ditch










Mathew 17:11:

King James Bible
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come, and restore all things.




Four of the many things elias shall restore

1. Temple worship just as the two anointed Joshua and Zerrubbabel rebuilt the temple after their captivity

2. levitic priesthood

3. True feast days...christmas will become hannaukah...easter will become passover.....new years will become rosh hashannah..etc

4. Saturday sabbath





There is only one with the melchelzedek order which is both King and Priest and that requires that one to have no beginnING which is Jesus...all men have a beginning therefore the kingship and priesthood will be lesser on earth during the millennium...one witness will be king and the other the high priest in a davidic kingship and levitic priesthood...as earthly is always lesser than heavenly and all men including Adam have a beginning...lol


You playin' shy or deny on me sword...because if it's deny I can add more..all you need to do is reply...judahs' resistance fuels josephs' persitance...you seek the other witness but you when you find him you run from him because he isn't what you expected







Can you see it yet friend it is the forerunner who is betrayed the first one on the scene..the son of joseph line...you are the 2nd on the scene...David the son of judah line...or to sum it up another judah and Joseph and we know how those two got along...who did you share sweet council with?...Psalm 55 it is the "guide" who is the betrayer..you were the guide..you really can't see that?...hmmm...if you can't see that by now you have your eyes closed...and even though it is God's plan to give the 2nd born the birthright so he can have dominion over the priesthood ..the firstborn will disregard that because hey he's firstborn and the firstborn has good ideas too.





The masaculine Judah nation can't see the feminine 2nd born Jacob nation....Just as their representative Judah/Israel can't see the 2nd born Jacob/Israel therefore he will fight against Jacob/Israel because he can't see who he is and he will fight against him clear up to the throne room...therefore you can tell your companions(judah and his companions ezekiel 37) I fought for you to have the firstborn birthright all the way to the throne room because if the representative of Judah can have it so can the nation but was vetoed by God and given to the 2nd born nation and witness...firstborn birthright goes to the 2nd born. The masculine children(judah/Israel) wont be able to see the feminine children(Jacob/Israel) the masculine and feminine are no different whether it is the children or the parents.


To have a Royal Priesthood you have to join the Royals(kings) with The priests...the royals have a representative(Judah/David) and the priestly nation has a representative(Joseph)(ezekiel 37 you can't unite the children until you unite the representatives/parents...which in your case will take the throne room visit because though Joseph tries to unite the two.....it is Gods position to unite those two representatives/parents in the throne room.









ROYAL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<PRIESTHOOD
ROYAL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<PRIESTHOOD





First the two sticks are in 2nd born Ephraims hand show he first tries to unite the two.......then the the two sticks are put in Gods hand and are then united.

Ezekiel 37:

16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.








Still willing to live here as long as you please the Lord or has your pride consumed you as you know you are the firstborn Adam/Judah/masculine and not 2ND born Eve/Jacob/feminine and the 2nd born gets the birthright....I have my doubts...because all firstborns act the same way in the volume of the book when the 2nd born gets the birthright...lol




Read it




Who is Israel/Judah?...He is the firstborn....Who is Ephraim? the 2nd born with firstborn birthright this is how he is also firstborn:



Jeremiah 31:9:

King James Bible
They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.



If the firstborn gets the birthright there is no room for the 2nd born to enter in and only half of Israel is saved...the book tells us "all of Israel will be saved"....Look at the nation of Judah/Israel firstborn....the nation of Jacob/Israel is the 2nd born and we know 2nd born Jacob/Israel received the birthright...you have a firstborn and 2nd born and the 2nd born becomes a firstborn through the birthright..just as we see in the above verse Jer 31:9...ephraim wasnt the first born he was 2nd born but was given the birthright that he could be considered firstborn.

You will have a representative for the firstborn nation Judah/Israel(Judah/David) and a representative for the 2nd born nation Jacob/Israel(Joseph) the two kingdoms/two families Jeremiah 33:24:...if you have two families..you need two firstborns to represent..one will be the king and the the other the high priest in the millennium

Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
. The firstborn nation and witness will not receive the birthright they are already firstborn......the 2nd born nation and witness will..that they also can become a firstborn...it is in the volume of the book.

Ezekiel 37:

King James Bible
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:



1 chron 5:2:

KJ21
For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and from him came the chief ruler, but the birthright was Joseph’s) —







Can you see yet there are two kingdoms/families judah/isreal and jacob/israel...judah firstborn and jacob 2nd born with the birthright making it also a firstborn...the kingdom jacob 2nd born came forth from kingdom judah we see the same example with eve the 2nd born coming forth from firstborn adam..when something comes forth from the original it was always in the original from the day it was created...the position of the firstborn is kingly....the 2nd born has to have the birthright in order to be firstborn because the other witness is high priest and he can't offer the sacrifice unless he is firstborn because it is the position of the firstborn to offer the sacrifice which the 2nd born is through the firstborn birthright






Great stories end with a great ending and a twist nobody sees coming......firstborn nation Judah can't see it yet but I revealed it to you friend.....you can't see it yet but you will...the 2nd born gets the birthright...and firstborn Adam is not 2nd born and neither is firstborn Judah nation...but there is a secret coming

Amos 3:7:

King James Bible
Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.




Hosea 10:11

King James Bible
And Ephraim is as an heifer that is taught, and loveth to tread out the corn; but I passed over upon her fair neck: I will make Ephraim to ride; Judah shall plow, and Jacob shall break his clods.


We see in this verse Judah/Israel/firstborn witness plows the field...and I must say he plowed it very well and that was his position.......after he plowed it he saw all the blessings and assumed he plowed it and they were all his..this is why Judah/firstborn is all over the road on trying to interpret what he plowed. Judah firstborn tries to be both 1st born and 2nd born...masculine and feminine..civil leader and priestly leader...the two anointed of zecharia become just one anointed...David comes from the line of judah but you want to also come from the line of joseph.....etc...(because it isn't his position to divide the clods it is his position to plow..you did the plowing you just don't know how to divide what you plowed..the 2nd borns position is to divide the clods/blessings)...Then after Judah has plowed along comes Jacob/Israel/2nd born with the birthright witness..whose position is to break the clods/blessings....and he breaks the clods...how does he divide the clods/blessings:

1stborn/2nd born
Masculine/Feminine
Sceptre/Birthright
Kingship/Priesthood

Thank you for plowing Judah you did a very good job.

Why does it take two...because there are two princes of Israel(Ezekiel 19)...two are surnamed Judah/Israel and Jacob/Israel...seeing the two Israel nations alone should tell you there are two Israels.....what does it say about Judah/Israel and Jacob/Israel in Isaiah 43..the first verse tells us he is speaking to Jacob 2nd born/israel and judah firsborn israel then go to verse 10 of the same chapter...God is not going to deal with the firstborn and not also the 2nd born when there is a firstborn nation and a 2nd born nation..one representative will be firstborn and the other 2nd born with the birth right.......what does vers 10 of Isaiah 43 say when speaking to jacob/israel and judah/israel


King James Bible
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.




Friend what is yours will always be yours and no one can steal it from you but what isn't yours will never be yours so enjoy the time now because now is the good time so don't make it the bad time prematurally...there is no need to be upset about what you cant control...if you can't see it...then you can't see it...but I show you what I see whether good or bad so don't be upset with what I see...life is too short and all destinies will be fullfilled good or bad..hang on to your dream..I know I do...have a good night.



Hebrews 11:1King James Version (KJV)

11 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.


Your mistake is you think Jesus will be on earth during the millennium..if Jesus is on earth how much faith do the people need in Jesus when they see him in his full glory and who would go to david when they have Jesus on earth...Jesus wins everytime...Hebrews 8 tells us Jesus couldn't even be a priest if there is another priesthood on earth and Jeremiah and Ezekiel tells us there is a levitic priesthood during the millennium which neither king david or Jesus can be in charge of because Jesus' priesthood is melchelzedek (without beginning of days) from heaven as the things of heaven are higher than the things of earth and Jesus is in heaven because it takes faith to believe in Jesus....so who can possibly be in charge of the priesthood(things of earth less than the things of heaven..no melchelzedek order on earth) if not Jesus or king david?.someone you have vexed...someone you shared sweet council with...someone who caught your heel...someone who broke the clods/blessings you plowed someone with a dislocated hip..(guess it could be anybody but for sure someone you know.how's that for a twist on what you thought you knew?....lol)....The 2nd born who has the firstborn birthright witness joseph(birthright holder able to offer the sacrifice) 1 chronicles 5:2...that's why there are two lines(witnesses)...Judah(sceptre) which david is from and birthright line(joseph) which the 2nd borne comes from




In a divided kingdom you are only king of the kingly nation judah/israel and the other witness is only high priest of the priestly nation jacob/israel...but in a united israel you are king of judah/israel and jacob/israel and the other witness is the high priest of judah/israel and jacob/israel...but let's take the long route through the throne room because it's scenic...lol...because the two nations can't unite before the two representatives do because it is the representatives that unite the two kingdoms/families/nations...but you will learn that on up the road..the pride of judah..it is great indeed...it is the devils favorite sin and it will suck you in like a vacuum firstborn..that is why you are adversary to joshuah the high priest(2nd born birthright holder/able to offer the sacrifice) in the throne room...lol...pride hold on to it see where it gets you.dead end road..but the ride is fun...lol........Don"t be below what you know friend you are adam firstborn and not 2nd born birthright holder your pride is holding you back








Can you see what you have plowed is to be divided between the firstborn and 2nd born yet...if not the firstborn nation Judah has no need for 2nd born Jacob/birthright holder nation to join them and it can stay divided instead of united because everything you plowed will just be the firstborns...that's not Gods plan I'm sure you are aware of that...God's plan is to unite the firstborn and 2nd born birthright holder and save "all" of israel. If it makes you feel better firstborn nation Judah is hoping you are correct as they prefer both firstborn and 2nd born blessings and let Jacob/Israel just be forgotten...lol





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Hosea 3:5King James Version (KJV)

5 Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days.

Moses and Aaron...one a civil leader and the other the high priest....Zerrubabel and Joshua..one the civil leader and the other the high priest...in a united Israel David the king/civil leader was he the high priest? no. Never do you see David being the high priest he is simply the king/civil leader and one of the two witnesses...so what do we need? A high priest which is the other witness in a davidic letvitic millenial kingdom(the king can't be the high priest in a levitic kindgom which is why we have a 2nd born birthright holder who can the other witness). David comes from the firstborn line of Judah. Where will the other witness come from? The 2nd born birthright holder line of Joseph of course because only the 2nd born birthright holder can offer the sacrifice and be the high priest

Firstborns always believe they own the birthright and this is what causes animosity of the firstborn toward the 2nd born birthright holders we see it in the volume of the book and it won't end even with the two witnesses until the throne room visit

2nd borns don't have animosity toward firstborns because they know who they are...the sceptre holders/civil leaders but they also know as 2nd born the 2nd born possess the birthright.

If you are a firstborn such as Adam look who you have animosity toward and you will find your 2nd born birthright holder...because an Israel starts in union then divides into two(Judah(firstborn) and Jacob(2nd born))over animosity and later reunites






An Adam(firstborn masculine father of creation) will have no explanation of what happened to Eve(2nd born feminine mother of creation) or where she went to when both were promised dominion in gen 1:28 did God lie?....did she just disappear?




example of how 1st borns react torward 2nd borns who are given the task of messenger to the firstborn..firstborns dont want to hear messages from 2nd borns






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The firstborns are in a deep sleep to seeing the 2nd born just as Adam slept while Eve the 2nd born came forth

Since the firstborns are blind to seeing the 2nd born until the fullness of the gentiles they have no choice but to think they are 1st born and 2nd born

The mentality of the firstborn:

Adam the firstborn becomes Eve the 2nd born also

Judah the firstborn becomes Ephraim/Joseph the 2nd born also

Judah/Israel(firstborn) becomes Jacob/Israel(2nd born) also

Zerrubabel becomes Joshua both anointed also

The man-child(civil leader) becomes Joshua the high priest

Zerrubabel was the civil leader Joshua the high priest therefore Moses the civil leader also becomes Aaron the high priest

The two princes' of Ezekiel 19 become one prince

The 2nd born nation Jacob/israel is able to see the firstborn nation Judah/Israel but Judah cant see the 2nd born nation Jacob/Israel

Just as the 2nd born witness Jacob/Israel will be able to see the firstborn witness Judah/Israel but the 1st born will not be able to see Jacob/Israel until the fullness of the gentiles because it is written.

1st borns have to become both halves the masculine and the feminine the sceptre and the birthright the 1st born and 2nd born the king/civil leader(masculine) and the high priest(feminine)

There are two nations...two kingdoms...two families...and two witnesses and the purpose of it is so that the masculine and feminine..the 1st born and 2nd born..the sceptre and birthright ..the civil leader and high priest can unite and have dominion just as was promised in gen 1:28

So we wait until the fullness of the gentiles that Adam can see Eve...that Judah can see Joseph..that the firstborn can finally see the 2nd born and unification can come

Judah the sceptre(firstborn) and Joseph the birthright holder(2nd born)



If you have no explanation of were Eve the 2nd born feminine mother of creation who was promised dominion went...check and see if you haven't consumed the feminine 2nd born birthright position..we know this happens because Judah(firstborn) is only able to plow it takes a jacob(2nd born) to break the clods(divide the blessings)(hosea 10:11)...and as we can see from the example of the firstborn nation Judah/Israel...they can't see the 2nd born Jacob/Israel and neither will the 1stborn witness Judah be able to see Joseph(Ezekiel 37 the two sticks) that make up the house of Israel....one will call himself jacob/Israel(2nd born) and the other will call himself Israel/Judah)(firstborn) that is why Isaiah chapter 40's keep referring to Jacob and Israel we know Jacobs name became Israel and it would be redundant to keep calling him both names if it were speaking of the same person...why does it do it? Because it isn't speaking of the same person it is speaking of the 1st born Judah/Israel and the 2nd born Jacob/Israel

Jacob is a heel-catcher and he overcomes by finding the firstborn Judah and dividing what judah plowed(hosea 10:11)...therefore Jacob(2nd born) has to know who Judah(1stborn) is which narrows down who jacob(2nd born) is considerably...another hint is a Jacob and Judah are just like the northern kingdom(Jacob) and southern kingdom(Judah)...they will start out in union(sweet council) and then divide until the fullness of the gentiles.

The 2nd borns are the ones not really liked...they are your dreamers(Joseph)..heel-catchers(Jacob)..and the ones who inherit the birthright(ephraim)..etc..that is why there is animosity between the 1st born and 2nd born









Adam = 1st born with beginning of days Eve = 2nd born with beginning of days

If you are a firstborn(the plow) find your 2nd born Jacob(the clod breaker)(hosea 10:11).....If you are a firstborn Judah find your Joseph(2nd born)..it won't be hard he will find you first

A joseph will be able to see his brother judah(firstborn) the other witness before judah can see him...that is how you will know you are a joseph(2nd born birthright holder)...if you see no one but yourself you aren't a Joseph(2nd born birthright holder)..but likely if you see yourself as both 1st born and 2nd born positions you could be a Judah(firstborn) because they can't see 2nd borns because judahs are given the eyes of another firstborn the eyes of Leah their mother

How will a firstborn judah witness convince the 1st born nation Judah that their brother Jacob nation has the birthright if the firstborn judah witness believes he is first born judah and 2nd born jacob himself? It would be do as I say and not do as I do I suppose. Ezekiel 37 the two sticks(judah/firstborn and Joseph/2nd born) and their companions


Who is able to wrestle against man and God and prevail is it Adam or Judah the firstborn?...No it is Jacob the 2nd born he wrestled with the firstborn/man(thanks firstborn) and wrestled with God and his name was changed to Israel because he knew who he was and he knew he has the birthright and he said bless me. The firstborn(Adam/Judah) is already called Israel and has no need for a name change as he cant be a firstborn and 2nd born he is simply firstborn. It is the 2nd born Jacob that is the one who has to wrestle for it and as we see he is successful and him being a 2nd born has his name changed to Israel just like the firstborn....This is why we see the 2nd borns receiving the birthright..examples Jacob...joseph..Ephraim..etc. There is a shadow and a future once again a 2nd born Jacob will have to wrestle the firstborn and God to receive the blessing of the name change to Israel.

Genesis 32:28
And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed.

By not understanding the plan of God the unification of the 1st born and 2nd born the firstborn turns into an Esau(firsborn)and the 2nd born to the Jacob(birthright holder)...and a judah(firstborn) and a Joseph(2nd born/birthright holder) the two divide due to the 2nd born(jacob/joseph getting the birthright.....but in the end the two unite(after a throne room visit apparently)just as esau and Jacob united...just as Judah and Joseph united because it is God who unites the two(Ezekiel 37/judah firstborn and joseph 2nd born)...why would God say to Satan/Lucifer.."is this not a brand plucked from the fire"(we know Joshua the high priest is the 2nd born because he has to be a birthright holder to ofFer the sacrifice and 2nd born has the birthright)...what effect would that have on Lucifer he wouldn't care one way or another...but a firstborn who is adversary to the 2nd born would be more perceptive to that...And when it is the firstborn Judahs turn to persuade the firstborn house of Judah that his brother 2nd born Jacob/birthright holder nation that they need to unite it will be the words the Father used for him to unite with the 2nd born witness.."Is this not a brand plucked from the fire" who also holds the birthright. Because the representative will be no different than the nation he represents he will know how the firstborn feels about the 2nd born birthright holder..as he experience it..you have to experience your house in able to rule it









When the two witnesses enter the throne room/holy of holies the veil will be removed...the firstborn will see the 2nd born...the masculine (adam) will see the feminine (eve)..the sceptre holder will see the birthright holder...the man-child will see Joshua the high priest...judah(firstborn) will see joseph (2nd born birthright holder)and when the visit is finished they will return to earth to unite the firstborn judah(masculine) and 2nd born jacob (feminine) nations/kingdoms as the first born representative/witness eyes will be opened to seeing the 2nd born birthright holder after the throne room visit as 2nd born eyes are opened before the firstborn and will already know the outcome of the throne room visit before they even get there...Eves eyes were opened first...Joseph could see his brothers before they could see him...the 2nd born nation jacob can see 1st born nation judah but none of those firstborns could see the 2nd borns before the 2nd born could see them because 2nd borns eyes are opened first

If there is no 2nd born birthright holder Jesus died in vain and there will be no reunification of the 1st born and 2nd born and the house of Israel will remain divided. Fortunately that isn't the case.




The gifts and callings of God are without repentance...the only one who can change that is the recipient...moses found this out the hard way at his reluctance at his burning bush moment so he was sent aaron who was made high priest...and the j.e.w.s(the firstborn) were reluctant to receive the calling and gift of Jesus and the 2nd born was given the birthright. If you are called don't be reluctant as your gift will be divided to another as we have seen from example...surely the gifts and callings of God are without repentance but they can be refused by the recipient and the gift will be divided as God always has a backup plan..if you want the gift do the calling...or don't and have the gift divided...God has a 2nd born birthright holding high priest waiting in the wings(zechariah 3) for the reluctance of a burning bush moment servant.

But God had a plan not only to save the firstborn but to save the 2nd born also so he blinded the firstborn that the 2nd born could receive the birthright and gave Moses a weakness that Aaron could become high priest and both Israels(the firstborn and the 2nd born birthright holder) would unite in the end and all of Israel would be saved. In the end the firstborn civil leader and the 2nd born birthright holding high priest(two witnesses) will be sent to unite the firstborn nation(judah) and the 2nd born birthright holding nation(jacob) and all of Israel will be united


Who was in the bush at Moses visitation?

[link to www.thesacredpage.com]




The destiny of humanity lays in the balance of two brothers(a firstborn and a 2nd born) who can't get even get along......fortunately the script has already been written and God intervenes. Because Gods plan of unification of 1st born and 2nd born will prevail and not even the firstborn can stop it.









Job 38:12:

King James Bible
Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place;...really the lord is speaking to the dayspring saying you caused yourself to know your place when it says "his place"..why not say "your place" because he isn't speaking to the dayspring(firstborn) he is speaking to messiah ben joseph the 2nd born birthright holder.

Have you learned your place yet firstborn sceptre holder?...Job is messiah ben joseph the suffering servant you are Judah(firstborn) the conquering king....who caused you to know your place it wasn't yourself..who do you suppose it was? Are you hiding someone from me that has been telling you who you are for years as I have have or have you vexed other 2nd borns besided me(Isaiah 11:13) have you plowed and others broke your clods(divided the blessings hosea 10:11) have you called yourself firstborn and another is calling himself jacob(2nd born birthright holder)(Isaiah 44:5)...Messiah ben joseph(2nd born birthright holder) the suffering servant and messiah ben David(firstborn scpetre holder) the conquering king the two anointed. Look it up messiah ben david and messiah ben joseph one from the line of Judah and the other from the line of Joseph(cause you can't be from two lines)...but firstborns can't see the 2nd borns until the fullness of the gentiles so don't wast time on that...even the j.e.w.s(firstborn) see there is a messiah ben joseph they see he is the suffering servant they just don't realize he is the 2nd born birthright holding high priest...If you want to understand the bible divide it between firstborn and 2nd born...otherwise pretend the firstborn is also the 2nd born and you will have a firstborn judah understanding of it and the interpretation will be wrong. If you find a firstborn he will be adversary to the 2nd born throughout scripture time and time again from the beginning clear up to the two witnesses in the end...the secret to wisdom is to double that which is(job 11:6)...what has happened keeps happening.....the evidence it takes to wake a firstborn is astronomically insane and from my years of research the firstborn is truly blinded to seeing the 2nd born by God himself.



Ezekiel 46 tells us the prince who is performing the duties of high priest will have sons he can give gifts to......who are his sons...messiah ben david will be king and messiah ben joseph will be high priest...when the tabernacle was built moses was the civil leader and aaron was the high priest ....when the 2nd temple was built zerrubabel was the civil leader and joshua was the high priest..when the 3rd temple is built david will be king(sceptre holder) and joseph will be high priest(birthright holder)..the birthright holder is able to offer the sacrifice......but who are Josephs sons that he is able to give gifts to? They are the sons/tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh as Ephraim and Manasseh were Josephs two sons







Israel today is the southern kingdom Judah and they will only believe the old covenant(the law) They will preach law law and only law. How will we know who the northern kingdom is? Simple It will be the ones who the southern kingdom never got along with from 2500 hundred years ago after the division of Israel and still doesn't today and main goal being to try to disprove the northern kingdoms new covenant (grace through Jesus). Notice video after video of a southern kingdom priest is how grace through Jesus is wrong and their new testament(covenant) is wrong that is their main goal to teach separation..they claim to be right and no one else. One kingdom is Judah(southern) the other kingdom will be the kingdom of Joseph(northern) Ezekiel 37 the two kingdoms/sticks. When the unification happens the southern kingdom(law) will except Jesus as redeemer(grace) and the northern kingdom(grace) will practice the law...feasts temple worship sabbaths etc as a shadow to what Jesus did.. remembrance of sin.. and be a holy people. messiah ben David and messiah ben Joseph will build the temple and teach this unification of the two kingdoms. Those who aren't acceptable to this unity will not be part of the unification of the two kingdoms making Israel one kingdom again and unifying law and grace. Southern kingdom (Judah)...Northern kingdom (Joseph)(ezek 37)...we know the story of Judah and Joseph and Judah(southern kingdom) does not like Joseph(northern kingdom) until the unification happens just as Judah did not like his brother Joseph but unified with him in the end


Still believe Jesus will rule on earth in a Davidic and Levitic kingdom that will have to believe in Jesus by faith and not sight(hebrews 11:1). God fulfills covenants and Jeremiah tells us the davidic kingdom and levitic priesthood covenant will be in effect in a united Israel(which messiah ben david and messiah ben joseph are sent to unite the two kingdoms) until the sun and moon covenant ends(jeremiah 33) Hebrews also tells us if there is another priesthood(levitic) on earth Jesus could not be high priest on earth but he could in heaven as the things of heaven are higher than the things of earth(hebrews 8:4) and that lasts until the end of the millennium. The thing about a Davidic and levitic kingdom is the king can't be high priest...fortunately david is from judah and can be king and messiah ben joseph is from the birthright line(1 chron 5:2) and can offer the sacrifice and be high priest(ezekiel 46/the prince) through the birthright line as you can't mix kingship and priesthood in a davidic/levitic kingdom. Two shall have dominion as promised in Genesis 1:28(another covenant) and scripture will be fulfilled.





It's a catch 22 the southern kingdom(old covenant people) can't get their king david until they unite with the northern kingdom(new covenant people) who their rabbis make videos against day after day and the northern kingdom can't unite with the southern kingdom until they honor the Jeremiah 33 covenant that the levitic priesthood will be re-instated in a united israel until the sun and moon covenant ends which is the end of the millennium. The blah say we want moshiach but dont want to unite with the northern kingdom which has to happen before David can reign. The northern kingdom we won't offer sacrifices even if God promised it as a covenant as long as the sun and moon exists(jeremiah 33)..lol..what a combo. David king on earth and Jesus King of kings ruling from heaven(things of earth less than things of heaven) Lol the unification of two kingdoms who are at odds...what a story. What a unification that will be.



I watch video after video and debates between southern kingdom old covenant rabbis and northern kingdom new covenant preachers and because the rabbis know there is a davidic kingship and levitic priesthood promised to last as long as the sun and mooon covenant in a united Israel in the millennium and can see messiah ben joseph and messiah ben david they win the debates time after time. It's hard to debate something when you can't see animal sacrifice will be reinstated during the millennium and you don't know the purpose of the two anointed (one a priestly forerunner and the other the Davidic..king). New covenant people think Jesus will rule on earth during the millennium and he can't there is a levitic priesthood on earth...Jesus rules from heaven as the people have to believe in him by faith. Time and time again the rabbis say the ones who build the temple we will believe whatever they say....The temple will be built by messiah ben david and messiah ben joseph...defiled at the end of their ministry and after 2300 days cleansed and animal sacrifice will be reinstated until the sun and moon covenant ends at the end of the millennium(jeremiah 33)













Joseph waited 13 years

Abraham waited 25 years

Moses waited 40 years

Jesus waited 30 years


Time is short if you know the schedule is timed by decades and not just years.



If God is making you wait..,you are in good company.


1st born 2nd born...you have to look at both perspectives ..if you only look at firstborn perspective...you will only see as j.e.w.s do. You have to be able to see firstborn Judah/Israel and 2nd born Jacob/Israel to understand the book...if you only see the division of the two nations/kingdoms/families and miss the two witnesses ( firstborn and 2nd born)...you still won't be able to read the scriptures correctly....there is a Jacob/isreal(2nd born) and there is a judah/israel(firstborn)...the book of Isaiah shows us this over and over...Jacob/israel(2nd born) "and" judah/israel(firstborn)...firstborn "and" 2nd born....over and over again. Until you understand the volume of the book is about the unification of the firstborn and 2nd born and to give them Dominion to unify the northern kingdom (2nd born) with the southern kingdom(firstborn) you won't interpret the word correctly....but don't take my word for it wait til the throne room...as you think as the j.e.w.s think...as you have the same mother Leah(weak eyes)..first borns never see the 2nd borns coming...they just assume being they are firstborn there is no 2nd borns but scriptures shows over and over..the firstborn gets the Sceptre and the 2nd born gets the birthright




A 2nd born will wait as long as a firstborn for his promise to be fulfilled....because he knows he has the other half of the Dominion promise of Genesis 1:28....ye shall have Dominion over everything verse. Who could expect any less from someone who knows who they are? A firstborn will know who he is and a 2nd born won't?....it was the 2nd born who told the firstborn who the firstborn was(50th b-day).



The mistake you make is you look for a buddy as a partner...someone you will like..."your" partner is the despised one...the contemptible one....the Jacob(heel-catcher)..the Joseph(the dreamer/grandeur as you put it)the division of the northern and southern kingdom representatives(Ezekiel 37)...the division of joseph and judah. The Jacob(2nd born)
who takes judahs (1st born) plowing and divides the clods between himself and judah(Hosea 10:11). How you can't see a firstborn and a 2nd born being the two witnesses is beyond me...we see the pattern in the volume of the book again and again.

You see as the j.e.w.s see the first borns and only the first borns...there is no other kingdom/family/witness..no 2nd born with the birthright...the whole creation was created with only the masculine?...makes ya wonder why the other half was even created..if Adam could have created the kingdom there would never have been a 2nd born Eve....if Moses(civil leader) could have ran it all there would never have been an aaron(high priest)...if zerrubabel(civil leader) could have done it all there wouldn't have been a Joshua(high priest).

There comes a time for a calling...if you are reluctant to the calling a partner will be sent...you were reluctant just as Moses was....you will receive your Aaron/Joshua/high priest...just as was planned from before the creation of the earth.




If you can't see your partner but he can see you(Genesis 42:8)....that should speak volumes:





To know the difference between Jacob/Israel and Judah/Israel...To know the difference between firstborn and 2nd born....To know the difference between the king and the priest...To know the characters...To know the personalities....To know the perspectives of the two..To know earthly is less than heavenly...To know there is only one Melchizedek order holder(one person both priest and king/Jesus no beginning of days)...All translations can be interpreted "kingdom of priests" when you read kings and priests...It is the unification of the two kingdoms...The kings and the priests...The king witness and the priest witness that brings forth the kingdom of priests....And the divided become the united kingdoms/families/witnesses....That is the level it takes to read it correctly...the Judah has to accept there is a Joseph...the firstborn has to realize he has the sceptre and the 2nd born has the birthright...not quite as fun reading when you realize there are two instead of just one...that is why the nation judah won't accept the new testament as it is the promise to the 2nd born grafted in olive tree...open your eyes judah...the nation understanding is no different than the witness understanding until the fullness of the gentiles







A Judah will have no clue who his partner is...,a Joseph will say "my partners right there and I've had contact with him for years without him even knowing who I was"

My favorite picture in my bedroom for years...I wake up and go to sleep looking at it:








You still can't see it...GOD tells the end from the beginning....he divides the two...it's an Adam and Eve....a judah and joseph.....a northern kingdom representative southern kingdom representative..the division is the beauty and bands(zechariah 11)....how it is not clear to you as a 40 plus student of the bible is unbelievable...you can't speak a kind word to your partner(gen 37:4)..you really can't see that "your" judah(the plow and your parnter is the clod breaker hosea 10:11)? The volume of the book is screaming out you are Judah(king david jeremiah 30:9)...and your partner is Joseph(1 cronicles 5:2) Ezekiel 37..Judah and Joseph the two sticks that make up the house of Israel........when you can see your partner in the volume of the book..and you know his relationship to his partner....and he can't see you or anyone else as his partner....you know you are Joseph

Two promised dominion(firstborn and 2nd born..... Judah and Joseph 1 chronicles 5:2...one the sceptre and the other the birthright...time and time again...2nd born gets the birthright): Gen 1:28...God can't lie....there are 2 Isreals...Judah/Israel(first born) and Jacob/Israel(2nd born)....learn who you are and know the nature of the two and the end result time and time again as it is destined to be the unification of the first born and 2nd born...Adam and Eve ...Judah and Joseph...king and priest....that the kingdom of priests can come forth in unification and the plan of God can be fulfilled


Gen 5:2:




King James Bible
Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.


Earth is less than heaven....Jesus is both King and High Priest....on Earth their is a division of king and high Priest ....ask Moses and Aaron...ask zerrubbal and Joshua.....Earth has to be less than heaven and Jesus is both King and High Priest in heaven...melchelzedek order no beginning of days....the earthly is davidic and levitic with beginning of days....less than Jesus' position...wake up Judah...you are less than Jesus and just the king....your partner is the high priest just like Aaron and Joshua.











Wake up guy...if you are the king and have Dominion...the other guy is the high priest and has his Dominion...two are promised Dominion gen 1:28 not just one...two positions king is one and high priest is the other for Dominion..wake up...what does it take to wake you up? In a coming levitic and davidic kingdom(separation of king and priest) that is currently paused by the age of grace and lasts as long as the sun and moon covenant according to Jeremiah...covenants have to be fulfilled



Which will be the more eventful year?...When the one is 49 and other is 69...or when the one is 50 and the other is 70....time will tell. both sets of numbers have their own meaning 49 weeks/years(jerusalem Daniel 9) 69 weeks/years(daniel and the beginning of the 70th week/year)...50 years jubilee.. 70 years Ancient Israel spent a total number of 70 years in captivity in Babylon (Jeremiah 29:10)...Seventy is also specially connected with Jerusalem. The city kept 70 years of Sabbaths while Judah was in Babylonian captivity (Jeremiah 25:11). Seventy sevens (490 years) were determined upon Jerusalem for it to complete its transgressions, to make an end for sins and for everlasting righteousness to enter into it (Daniel 9:24)...this year(69/49years)... next year(70/50 years)....10 more years after that(80 years)

Pslam 90:10:

King James Bible
The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.






Where is your partner? Wake up he can see you....but you can't see him.

If you were from the line of Joseph you would know who your partner is....but you're not....you are from the line of judah(the plow) and don't like your brother(the clod breaker Hosea 10:11).....the shadow before the cross and the shadow after the cross...Judah and Joseph...Jacob and esau...first born and 2nd born...the volume of the book the story of the first born and 2nd born...volume of the book...volume of the book..volume of the book...what is the subject? The creation of the first born and 2nd born(created on the same day)....the division of the two and the final unification of the first born and 2nd born to bring forth a United kingdom and complete the awesome plan of God which no one can alter no matter how much they want it or who they are....the j.e.w.s(firstborn) cant see it what do you think your reason for not seeing is is firstborn?.....it's not hard to see if you know who you are.




What do we understand from scriptures? We understand that heavenly is more than earthly and Godly is more than manly.

What is Jesus? King and High priest and dwells in the heavenly.

So we look for something less but similar dwelling in the earthly.....Which is two divided...one kingly and the other priestly

What are the two witnesses? One king and the other the high priest and dwell on earth during the millennium...Earth less than heaven....man(Adam/Eve..first born 2nd born) less than God(Jesus)

First born never see 2nd born positions..that is why the unification of the two family/kingdom/witnesses hasnt happened yet

A first born will read up til they see a first born has blessings coming and stop short of seeing what the 2nd born blessings are and claim them all...it's not how it turns out. One has the Sceptre(first born)...the other(2nd born) the birthright ...the unification of the two is not simple but will happen according to Gods will




Wonders how long it takes the 2nd witness to realize there are 2 witnesses and not just one promised Dominion gen 1:28...probably the same time it takes for the nation Judah(first born) to realize there is a Jacob/Joseph(2nd born) nation...but it is getting close the generation is 69 years in and all will be fulfilled before the generation passes away....it's all about Adam and Eve ...first born and 2nd born...
Kingship and Priesthood ...masculine and feminine and the division of the two on Earth to make Jesus higher than the earthly two witnesses ...one King on earth the other high priest on earth and Jesus both King and High Priest in heaven ...heaven higher than Earth as always in the Bible and God higher than man of course





There is no getting past "the one you shared sweet council with"..
You find that person and you know who the other witness is....no ifs...ands or buts about it...
It is so simple to find the other one...and they always know each other ..
But one always knows before the other and the one who knows first is the 2nd born birthright holder......SHARED SWEET COUNCIL....it will never happen again with any one else than the one it already happened with.....WHO WAS THAT GUY?

Tell the end from the beginning....the first born and 2nd born shall have Dominion....one king and the other high priest..as that is the only dominion posistions....so simple to see..Jesus King and High Priest.....earth less than heaven
first born witness king and 2nd born witness high priest on earth





P.S...

Did I mention "SHARED SWEET COUNCIL WITH"....being your partner?....just checkin'....my job is to wake you up...how much more does it take?...you can see those two nations/kingdoms.jacob and judah..northern and southern...and their relationship...why would the leaders of the two kingdoms Jacob and Judah be different? Ezekiel 37 Judah and Joseph...and their companions ..Judah leader of southern kingdom....Joseph leader of northern kingdom...this information is so basic...where is the confusion?

Jacob is a heel grabber...he finds the first born and breaks the clods ....
Who grabbed your heel?....who grabbed your heel
Wake up


What mans heel does 2nd born Jacob catch?....the first born....which means it has to be a person who shared sweet council with this guy and knows who the first born is..


WHO COULD THAT GUY BE!....YOU ARE A SMART GUY FIRSTBORN....YOU KNOW WHO IT IS..
As your mother said 'he listens to you and hangs on your words"....why do you think that was? Because I wasn't the plow but I was the clod breaker...Why was our relationship always distant?...Because we were and are the representatives of the Northern and Southern kingdoms...and they are divided as of now......and as Paul Harvey would say it..
And now you know the rest of the story...lol







Hebrews 10:7:

King James Version
Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.



The entire book is about the first born and 2nd born..the dividing of the two and the future unification of the two.


Even the Hebrew language is divided between masculine and feminine....hmmm

Unlike English, Hebrew belongs to the group of languages that have grammatical gender. The predicate in Hebrew conjugate according to the gender of the subject, which makes the gender of the nouns matters as much as the gender of the pronouns. The subject in Hebrew is divided into masculine and feminine.Jan 31, 2016

Just as we see the old testament and new testament divided between the first born j.e.w.s(Judah/old covenant believers)...and second born Jacob/joseph(new covenant believers)..but the time is arriving that the firstborns will come in unification with the 2nd born....the sticks of Joseph and Judah being unified

Ezekiel 37 the two sticks





30:50 -30:53. Messiah ben Joseph is identified with being Elijah......hmmm, who would have guessed that?


25:06-25;09. Not serve as chief assistant but will serve as chief priest or better known as the high priest...you have to have a civil leader (king)in a David kingdom and a separate high priest in a Levitic priesthood...two having dominion as was promised clear back in the book of genesis.









My call into tenak talk and response after he answers...you can tell he didn't listen to what I said but instead went right into me being a conventional christian who can't see the two anointed who are to rule on the earth during the millennium....He thinks that I think the two anointed is Jesus because this is the same argument he uses time after time with all christians who debate him that can't see the two anointed they only see Jesus


I had to speak quickly because their call in lines weren't working so I had to leave a voice mail to go on the air and I didn't know how long I had to respond on the voice mail and wanted to get the whole thing in.

My call into the show starts at 1:23:00

My response after his response and the times in the video in the comment section of the youtube video:
Jon Anon



1:33:30 - 1:35:00 tovia you were on auto pilot thinking you were speaking to a conventional Christian ..I never said the two anointed messiah Ben Joseph and messiah Ben David who rule on earth during the millennium are the same person...you can’t be from two different tribes..and Ezekiel tells us the davidic and levitic kingdom will be reinstated on earth and the king can’t be high priest as being described the duties of the prince of Ezekiel 46 is performing that is why there have to be two anointed who are yet to arrive...no way David can be the prince of Ezekiel 46 performing the high priest duties There are 12 princes that make up the 12 tribes of Israel therefore messiah Ben David is a prince from the line of Judah and it stands to reason messiah Ben Joseph is a prince from the tribe of Joseph please don’t misquote me

Also I didn’t hear you comment on the sons of the prince of Ezekiel 46 have to be the two sons of the tribe of Joseph....those are the two tribes ( ephraim and mannaseah) thousands of sons that the prince messiah Ben Joseph will be able to bless...The tribe of Joseph which messiah Ben Joseph is from is the only tribe that had two sons that became two tribes..therefore it makes much more sense that Ezekiel 46 prince is messiah Ben Joseph not the king messiah Ben David who can’t be high priest..1 chronicles 5:2 judah is the chief leader( king) but Joseph has the birthright. ...and messiah Ben Joseph will use that birthright to be able to offer the sacrifice

My call in starts at 1:23:00 if you want to see I never said messiah Ben Joseph and messiah Ben David are the same person...I said just the opposite and said messiah Ben David cannot be the Ezekiel 46 prince who is doing the high priest duties.








If you are Joseph you will have zero doubt of who your partner is....you will know he is a judah....as Solomon said there is nothing new under the sun...what has been will be again..the two nations are judah and Joseph...how are the two servants/ representatives going to be anything other than what the two kingdoms/ families are?

A Joseph will have to put forth zero effort to find his partner before his partner finds him and he will find his partner years and years in advance(20 years if we are counting 1998 ....but who counts?.....besides me every day...lol).do you think you have years and years left to find your partner before he finds you first( as I know you have found no partner yet)? Have your efforts been effortless in finding your partner and if you have found him I’m sure your conversations have been amazing contrary to the two nations Judah and Joseph who just can’t get it together..lol..please share if this has happened for you. My efforts in finding my partner have been effortless as I know how the story of the two play out and have had the 1 st two parts already happen..1. there is a beginning of unity/sweet council..then 2. separation and struggle of position and finally 3. in the end unification( can’t wait for the finale..lol)...it’s the same story of the northern kingdom and southern kingdom ...Judah nation and Joseph nation...so we wait til your search for your partner and the fullness of the gentiles ends and our unity/ministry begins!....waitin’ on you buddy!.....always waitin on you....lol.







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