Sword do you really think you are going to be physically married to the other witness who is going to be a physical female? Really you can’t see how absurd that is....you want so bad to be both David the king and Joseph the high priest that you believe the end times Adam and Eve are going to be once again physically married.....the beginning In genesis is the physical marriage...the end is spiritual union....learn the difference friend....it seems you lack responses for some reason....perhaps you see you are wrong and I’m correct...but it isn’t the fullness of the gentiles so I doubt that...lol....have a good night partner
The number one rule of eschatology....the physical is shown first as shown as a shadow of the later spiritual...Shirley you know this is in thousands of books perhaps you read one or you could skip the 2 hour book and take 10 seconds to look it up on the internet as knowledge is greatly increased now and the one witness can learn what the first witness took years to learn he can learn in months...lol
Quoting: waterman Waterman, I don't want any position as David or Joseph! I can't seem to get that through your head. I never sought a position and if I receive one; God knows it shall be thrust on me. Regardless it seems it is you who have taken on the responsibility of placing me in a position. This is hardly your calling and beyond your ability to designate any office for any man. You're not that omniscient one who makes those choices.
I only know that the paradigms you have learned from past teachings by those who you follow are not going to conform to the reality you've imagined. Because it is only the same tutelage that you and them presume and it is mostly presented for egocentrically effects. Instead of following the order of what the Word actual implies.
For the Lord is going to do a new thing in the earth/Word in the last days/end days/eschatological period (Isa.48:7) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.) Unlike the former traditional similitude's, and its past form of execution.
Waterman, it's not the accumulation of what one learns over the years or how long or little it takes to acquire that knowledge. For it's not the volume of the context we must learn but it's the contents of the purpose of its words that establishes its correct meaning.
Reading up on material to seek knowledge instead of grasping it only has a tendency to induce a state of presumption. Whenever it's meant to give a spiritual knowledge of understanding; it's through discernment that manifest the truth of those writings. Discernment is a gift and is portioned out to those who are meant to comprehend it revelations; and what otherwise is concealed from subjective mentality.
Now waterman I have no further desire to communicate with you. You know some of my viewpoints, thoughts, and beliefs.
I cannot add or increase your ability to comprehend what you have already incorrectly learned from those who are set-in the traditions of their ways and of the past. Remember the past is of a traditional old manifestation of things changing toward a greater work of God. And few men will see it coming. Neither will they recognize its fulfillment.
For again God will do a new thing in the earth and if it be told to man he would scarcely believe it...Why? Because like Christ first coming it will go against traditional preconceptions! Because it will be a new thing happening in the earth, as God is always in motion... (2Cor.5:7KJV) (Luke.9:62KJV) Eccl.7:10.) (Isa.43:18-19KJV.)
Perhaps when the "roaring lion is chased out of the wood" (material of wood..a book,) and soon to come. Some might listen (2 Esdras.11:37-38KJV) (2 Esdras.12:1KJV) and come to the knowledge of the truth.
Waterman, listen to the song "Bring In The Clowns" by Glenn Close. It tells of our relationship and your final destiny. And my destiny is the song lyrics of "I Started A Joke" by the Bee Gees.
I didn’t designate the two offices I just claim to be able to see who has them and how they are two offices and not just one.
The old “God is going to do a new thing” scripture ....lol...how many have used that scripture to make whatever they want to be true. Regardless God promises the millennium will be davidic levitic which means separation of kingship and priesthood and I already know you are only the king which means the high priest will be a colleague of yours....I don’t see any other who could be your colleague other than me...lol
As far as the lion coming out of the wood that is speaking of elijah giving warning that judgement is coming.....you haven’t yet claimed that calling also have you?....lol
I presented overwhelming evidence we are the two anointed but I have already read in zechariah it will take a rebuke from God in the throne room to verify what I have informed you of is true. So til the throne room...til the fullness of the gentiles...cya then partner
The funny thing is this song is about us but you aren’t the one you think you are in the song...you are the other one....you think you are a Joseph but in reality you are the Judah....until you can put the right shoe on the left foot and the left shoe on the right foot your perspective will continue to be flawed...lol
Read the scriptures friend over and over and over it shows you firstborns and second borns don’t get along because the second born is the favored one ....ie cain and able....Ishmael and issac....Esau and Jacob....Judah and Joseph....manasseah and ephraim...over and over it is shown throughout scriptures
The trigger of them not getting along is when that second born realizes he has the birthright...the second born informs the firstborn that the second born knows the birthright belongs to the second born....this never goes over well with the firstborn and now you know why there is contention between us....because I know you are the firstborn and I know I’m the second born and I know I have the birthright.
So scriptures that are speaking about birthright holders such as Jacob...Joseph and ephraim are soeaking about the second born not the firstborn....that makes it simple to see who is being spoken of in Isaiah the 40’s chapters ...if it say Israel it is speaking to the firstborn...if it says Jacob it is speaking about the second born...very very simple to see who is being spoken too......there are 2 Israel’s a first born and a second born Jacob whose name is changed to Israel which means to rule as a “prince” which takes us over to ezekiel 46...lol...but we don’t have time to go into that right now....I have to get a tent set up for my service today.(genesis 25:27)...Must not going to rain today my hip feels good today....talk to ya later...lol
P.S:
Genesis 25:27:
And the boys grew: and Esau was a cunning hunter, a man of the field; and
Jacob was a plain man, dwelling in tentsJust in case you think I think it only means Jacob dwells in tents...I also know the deeper meaning....Esau the firstborn hunts the fields means he searches the scriptures while Jacob the second born remains at home in the tents and yet reaps the rewards of esaus “hunt”/searching the scriptures by taking a portion of what Esau finds....didn’t want ya thinking I didn’t see that...lol...have a good day.
Waterman, I have never seen anyone twist scriptures around to suit their own viewpoint.
First of all you claim the one witness is a symbolism of royalty (a king) and the other a priest. Now you say the man prophesied of in (2 Esdras 11-12) is Elijah (you claim is a priest).
Yet that one symbolizes a lion the recognized (king) royalty of his terrain. His further appointed destination is to judge those people in their situation during the end. He shall reprove them and upbraid them with their own cruelty. This is the order of a royal position not that of a priest.
Elijah doesn't come to judge but to restore the heart of the children to their fathers. The royalty king-ship (scepter) holder of a nation executes a sentence in judging the decisions of a nation not a priest. A priest seeks to reconcile the people to God.
A king must judge the actions of the wicked people of his land. This same man is required to gather the rest of God's people and deliver them with mercy upon those pressed on God's borders. This is the responsibility of that Shiloh of (Gen.49:10KJV,) who is the temporary scepter holder of God's earthly kingdom. He shall gather the people together at that time. It further reveals that man in (2 Esdras 13) and again the gathering of the people. He is a ruler of authority not of a priestly position, but of a royal responsibility.
He is also one of the witnesses of (Rev.11.) For he has the same ability to proclaim the truth in powerful demonstration as fire from his mouth in (2 Esdras.13KJV.)
Also it indicates that that lion (man) shall be chased out of his wood (book) not God's book. You might be just the instrument God shall use to bring this about. So anyhow it indicates he the (lion) king shall be chased (harassed) out of his wood a material made from that product (a book.)
Waterman, again you twist scripture to fulfill your own self determined failures. Esau is not and never was a called witness for God. God hated Esau, not likely he is symbolic of one of God's two beloved anointed ones. So any gathering he gained was foul toward the workings of interpreting scripture. Why would Jacob want that information to gather knowledge of the Word? Again you seek to justify an example of those things that are of a simplified statement into some other meaning.
Just as this asinine statement of yours that there are two Israel's as individuals, not scriptural. That God is going to punish one of the witnesses in the throne room because he didn't agree with your cockamamie ideals of what the Word is declaring, not scriptural.
Again Jacob, Joseph and Ephraim are of the royal ancestry not the priesthood. Jacob holds his name as Israel (the prince) Joseph follows that same lineage as the authority under pharaoh (the king) as a prince of authority and the signet ring holder.) Not as a priest or even close to that position. And Ephraim fared the same, as a prince, as his father's son not as a priest.
As far as siblings not getting along so what, it has nothing to do with the two witnesses of Revelation. As far as the two witnesses being a symbolic Judah and Joseph you as always are half right. Judah is not a witness symbolism, but a Jesus symbolism (Lion of Judah.) The two witnesses will be Joseph and Gad (Elijah,) (Gen.49KJV) and (Deut.33KJV.) Not a king or a priest at that time but two prophets. What they might one day become is not necessary to know at this point. You have enough on your menu as it is. But nowhere in scripture does it say the two witnesses of (Rev.11) are a king or a priest. This is another of your imaginary ideologies.
You started off with mixing up tribes, individuals and nations as a one focus transformation from substance to two people/witnesses. And from then on you convinced yourself you were one of them. Not by any confirmation from any individuals or any revealing by any entities. But through the reasoning of a mindset you wanted to be that character. Guess what... you're in for a big shock.
I couldn't tell you anything now. You're convinced what you believe is true. Not biblical but a truth you have contrived within your own mind set. So no matter what I say it will not register. You are hopeless. I am done responding to you . Believe as you will, I have better things to do with my time.
I can assure you though no one is jealous of your position. Whatever it might or might not be. God calls each for their own purpose and if it is directed in that position that shall be the outcome. Nothing to be jealous about. Especially from one who could care less concerning whatever is yours or others destiny.
