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Joseph and Judah the birthright and the sceptre

 
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God makes Adam the father of creation and Eve the mother of creation and promises them dominion over all the earth and then saves Adam and gives him all the inheritance and blessings.....he wanted to save Eve the mother of creation and give her dominion but Adam thought it better to give himself the sceptre and the birthright which is both dominion of kingship and priesthood. Eve disappears and the single divorced father of creation lives akwardly ever after because Gods plan failed.....lol.....Gods plan never fails......Eve will arrive with Adam in the 6000th year. Adam just needs to learn to share dominion/inheritance...lol...and in the throne room he will.

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Learn anything new today sword or still think the story is about the firstborn then skip the second born and choose someone from gad which basically has very little inheritance/blessing and make them partners

The 1st born blessing/ the sceptre and the second born blessing/the birthright are the two highest inheritance/blessings.....does God not remember this? Why do you give one anointed the firstborn blessing the kingship then the other anointed who drinks the cup Jesus drank from one of the least blessings of the 12 sons in the end times.....does that make sense to you sword. If you went through the same furnace or more than the other anointed would the least blessing be the appropriate compensation.....does God not reward fairly? Certainly he does and one anointed receives the 1st born blessing of the sceptre and the other anointed receives the 2nd born blessing of the birthright so the the promise of genesis 1:28 can be fulfilled....2 will have dominion over the whole earth...why can’t you wake up friend? Because it is written judah will be blind in part until the fullness of the gentiles. How you read the word and make sense of it is beyond me when the theme is the 1st born and 2nd born and you try to make it all into only the 1st born and eliminate the 2nd born just as the jues do...... as their representative you can only see as they do.


Zechariah 11:14:

Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

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Learn anything new today sword or still think the story is about the firstborn then skip the second born and choose someone from gad which basically has very little inheritance/blessing and make them partners

The 1st born blessing/ the sceptre and the second born blessing/the birthright are the two highest inheritance/blessings.....does God not remember this? Why do you give one anointed the firstborn blessing the kingship then the other anointed who drinks the cup Jesus drank from one of the least blessings of the 12 sons in the end times.....does that make sense to you sword. If you went through the same furnace or more than the other anointed would the least blessing be the appropriate compensation.....does God not reward fairly? Certainly he does and one anointed receives the 1st born blessing of the sceptre and the other anointed receives the 2nd born blessing of the birthright so the the promise of genesis 1:28 can be fulfilled....2 will have dominion over the whole earth...why can’t you wake up friend? Because it is written judah will be blind in part until the fullness of the gentiles. How you read the word and make sense of it is beyond me when the theme is the 1st born and 2nd born and you try to make it all into only the 1st born and eliminate the 2nd born just as the jues do...... as their representative you can only see as they do.


Zechariah 11:14:

Then I cut asunder mine other staff, even Bands, that I might break the brotherhood between Judah and Israel.

:JOSEPHANDJUDAH50:




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 Quoting: waterman


The firstborn receives the blessing that is to go with the birthright. Things were wonky when esau values his blessing at one meal, and sellout sold it.
The blessing was still his, hence was stolen by trickery.
But when esau and Jacob reunited, esau admitted that the blessing went with the birthright by saying to Jacob, whatever is yours is yours.
So one son, normally the first, unless unsuitable- torn, blemished, mentally unable to fulfill birthright position, unable to learn Torah,or a eunuch.
Your first born, second born is confusing,please where did you see this?
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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre
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King David has birthright and blessing. He has sceptre,crown, throne, and ephod and breastplate of high priest, being also of Levi, his sons are priests, and prophets, princes, and kings, but none as beloved as king David.
David was victorious over the crown of milcom. Priest annointed to do war. David ate the shewbread, and inquired of the priest at nob, priest abilities, and king.
He is king and shepherd.

People can have more than one honor, crown, duty,mission.
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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre
 Quoting: waterman


King David has birthright and blessing. He has sceptre,crown, throne, and ephod and breastplate of high priest, being also of Levi, his sons are priests, and prophets, princes, and kings, but none as beloved as king David.
David was victorious over the crown of milcom. Priest annointed to do war. David ate the shewbread, and inquired of the priest at nob, priest abilities, and king.
He is king and shepherd.

People can have more than one honor, crown, duty,mission.
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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre
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King David has birthright and blessing. He has sceptre,crown, throne, and ephod and breastplate of high priest, being also of Levi, his sons are priests, and prophets, princes, and kings, but none as beloved as king David.
David was victorious over the crown of milcom. Priest annointed to do war. David ate the shewbread, and inquired of the priest at nob, priest abilities, and king.
He is king and shepherd.

People can have more than one honor, crown, duty,mission.
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Lol
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Not a very good response Waterman to a legitimate answer from a sincere poster. Nevertheless, like this poster I am sure he like I am also use to you avoiding questions that might seem somewhat too complex for your comprehension... as you would have a tendency to say..lol.
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Jeremiah 11:8-10 Yet they obeyed not, nor inclined their ear, but walked every one in the imagination of their evil heart: therefore I will bring upon them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do: but they did them not. And the Lord said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. They are turned back to the iniquities of their forefathers, which refused to hear my words; and they went after other gods to serve them: the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken my covenant which I made with their fathers.

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Gen 49:26:

The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.


You do realize the crown of the head means the top of the head and not a crown on the head right?



God places Elijah in the line he needs him to be to fulfill the scriptures....John was Elijah and he was from Levi. The final Elijah will have to be from the line of Joseph to have the birthright to become the high priest during the millennium. Because we already have David coming from Judah to be the highest king on earth according to psalm 89 which makes Jesus unable to rule as king on earth during the millennium.

If Elijah is from gad and just a 3-7 year messenger and then never heard from again during the millennium that guy is going to be the most embarrassed person who ever lived to get the seat next to Jesus when all these other saint spent a lifetime serving God.

Now if David was sitting on the right for serving as the earthly king during the millennium for over 1000 years and Joseph on the left served as the earthly high priest for over 1000 years during the millennium that would be a great honor and none could argue the selection of who sits on the left and right.......let’s not have people walking by the thrones with hard feelings....lol


If you was Joseph you would already be able to see the other anointed. If you are Judah you won’t be able to see the other anointed til the fullness of the gentiles. Notice you can’t see another anointed and I’ve been able to see the other anointed for over 22 years...hmmm


The birthright and the sceptre can’t be held by one person and David is the king therefore he has the sceptre
 Quoting: waterman


King David has birthright and blessing. He has sceptre,crown, throne, and ephod and breastplate of high priest, being also of Levi, his sons are priests, and prophets, princes, and kings, but none as beloved as king David.
David was victorious over the crown of milcom. Priest annointed to do war. David ate the shewbread, and inquired of the priest at nob, priest abilities, and king.
He is king and shepherd.

People can have more than one honor, crown, duty,mission.
 Quoting: FrankveryFrank


Lol
 Quoting: waterman


Not a very good response Waterman to a legitimate answer from a sincere poster. Nevertheless, like this poster I am sure he like I am also use to you avoiding questions that might seem somewhat too complex for your comprehension... as you would have a tendency to say..lol.
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Would you rather me of said he wasn’t well read? Because if he was well read he would have known David is only referred to in the scriptures as the king.....he is never referred to as the high priest. Of the 12 sons/princes of Israel end-time inheritance/blessings one can only be from one tribe and we know the sceptre blessing is the line of Judah therefore David can’t be from tribe of Judah and line of Levi. He is only from tribe of Judah


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Now if God would have thought previously to split Adam the one with no father or mother and brought forth a second born Eve(no father or mother)then in the future when he brought these 2 back in the 6000th year these two could have been from 2 different tribes as the 2nd born could claim they are the other half of the firstborn therefore giving them the right to use their mothers fathers line for tribal lineage just as Jesus did to come from line of Judah. One would only have to look at the last name of their mother and see their line coming from England and England being ephraim leads right up to the line of Joseph. Therefore you have David/messiah Ben David and then you have the other anointed messiah Ben Joseph. I could have wrote all that but “lol” was a nicer response and you might not have chimed in. Nice to hear from you again....lol

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It’s very very simple to understand if you understand the end is told from the beginning.....it started with the firstborn and second born filling the earth and ends with the reunification and dominion of the firstborn and second born on earth during the millennium to bring salvation to the jues and the surviving armeghedon gentiles which are the ones who will be dwelling on earth at that time.


The first half of the verse was fulfilled when the firstborn Adam and second born Eve arrived on earth the first time(6th day)....they multiplied and filled the earth with offspring for 6000 years bringing the population to almost 8 billion people. The second half of the verse is fulfilled when the 1st born and 2nd born return to earth in the 6000th year

I will show the division by color the first half will be blue and the second half I will highlight in red....it’s very simply to see that they had to fill it before they could have dominion....lol.


Genesis 1:28
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28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.





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1st born receives firstborn inheritance/blessing which we know from genesis and Deuteronomy is the Judah/sceptre/kingship blessings which will be half the dominion on earth during the millennium

2nd born receives the birthright blessing as we see over and over the second born receiving the birthright over the firstborn. So we just look who of the 12 sons of Israel received the birthright and it clearly states 1 chronicles 5:2 Judah is the chief leader but the birthright is Joseph’s therefore the 2nd borns inheritance/blessing is the Joseph/birthright which he will use to become the earthly high priest blessing which will be the other half of the earthly dominion during the millennium. So genesis 1:28 the 1st born and 2nd born having dominion over the whole earth can be fulfilled and Gods promise/covenant not be broken.

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As a strength, pride is a good, positive emotion to feel. If you let a spirit of competition enter it, it will become your greatest weakness.

Judah’s strength is pride. The jues turn that pride into competition with the new covenant people and make the new covenant people their enemy therefore the jues will reject whatever the new covenant people understand because the jues are in competition with new covenant people because the jues/Judah think they are the older established well studied scholars even though they are only given half the mystery until the fullness of the gentiles.

We see this recurring theme in Luke 15 the two brothers....also in the story of Judah and Joseph ...esau and Jacob...Ishmael and issac...it’s all over the place in scripture...it’s the rivalry between 1st borns and 2nd borns throughout the the scriptures....the older always expects to receive more than the younger. If one reads the scriptures through firstborn second born division/perspective it is the key to unlock the scriptures but if you are the older and your pride has become competitive with another then you will be unwilling to divide the blessings and will assume all inheritance/blessings and understanding is yours which will blemish your understanding of the scriptures then you will void the one you are competitive with which is what Judah/the jues do and they miss what the other half knows.....hmmmm nothing over there on your side older established well studied scholar?....there is nothing new under the sun what has been will be again.




The plan of God to save both jues and gentiles the firstborn and the second born supersedes study/experience but the jues want to reverse that so they rule over the new covenant gentiles instead of unifying with them.

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Starts at 10:00 minutes in: about Jacob and the firstborn





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You are probably going to ignore your partners karma rating for you again tonight because you can’t be the sceptre holder and the birthright holder....firstborns .....lol its like they can’t read....second borns get the birthright but for some reason the firstborn nation and their firstborn representative can’t understand that til the fullness of the gentiles....for sure the firstborns don’t know how to divide blessings....that is why there are second borns because they know how to divide blessings between the 1st born and 2nd born....hmmmm
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Those of the righteous firstborns do know how to divide the blessings, contrary to what you claim; Jesus was/is a firstborn. Stop assuming that everything you claim is Scriptural. Most of your sayings are not, and they are of a man made conclusion; interpreted by those who know little of Scripture and even less of Christ.

Such men teach many others, thus leading most into a deep dark ditch of a common despair. As for you, you are worse off than them. For the blind before their fall can at least still hear. But to be both blind and deaf is of a great hindrance toward the understandings of the complexity of God's hidden mysteries.

Most of your Scriptural teachings are nothing more than your own version of your own reasoning of traditional passions that are no longer observed within God's spiritual realm of recognition. And is no longer needed. Christ is the topping on the cake and it lacks no other layers or needs any further traditions to substitute some other means of completion. Traditions that make the Word of God of none effect (Mark.7:13KJV). And the worship within a temple built by hands of flesh and not within the spiritual habitation of the heart of man's/God's spiritual dwelling.

Now I know you only post or send karma to irritate me or say something to annoy me enough to cause me to respond to you. But no longer will I respond to your post or your karma remarks. You only reveal a wrong and wicked spirit when your motive is to irritate another to form this kind of objective to prove a point. This is far from Christ-like in the life of any who claims to know Him. Life is too short for me to contend with you over such asinine beliefs you are always conjuring up within your own mind and the twisting of the Scriptures.

Have a nice life and I wish you the best.
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You are probably going to ignore your partners karma rating for you again tonight because you can’t be the sceptre holder and the birthright holder....firstborns .....lol its like they can’t read....second borns get the birthright but for some reason the firstborn nation and their firstborn representative can’t understand that til the fullness of the gentiles....for sure the firstborns don’t know how to divide blessings....that is why there are second borns because they know how to divide blessings between the 1st born and 2nd born....hmmmm
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Those of the righteous firstborns do know how to divide the blessings, contrary to what you claim; Jesus was/is a firstborn. Stop assuming that everything you claim is Scriptural. Most of your sayings are not, and they are of a man made conclusion; interpreted by those who know little of Scripture and even less of Christ.

Such men teach many others, thus leading most into a deep dark ditch of a common despair. As for you, you are worse off than them. For the blind before their fall can at least still hear. But to be both blind and deaf is of a great hindrance toward the understandings of the complexity of God's hidden mysteries.

Most of your Scriptural teachings are nothing more than your own version of your own reasoning of traditional passions that are no longer observed within God's spiritual realm of recognition. And is no longer needed. Christ is the topping on the cake and it lacks no other layers or needs any further traditions to substitute some other means of completion. Traditions that make the Word of God of none effect (Mark.7:13KJV). And the worship within a temple built by hands of flesh and not within the spiritual habitation of the heart of man's/God's spiritual dwelling.

Now I know you only post or send karma to irritate me or say something to annoy me enough to cause me to respond to you. But no longer will I respond to your post or your karma remarks. You only reveal a wrong and wicked spirit when your motive is to irritate another to form this kind of objective to prove a point. This is far from Christ-like in the life of any who claims to know Him. Life is too short for me to contend with you over such asinine beliefs you are always conjuring up within your own mind and the twisting of the Scriptures.

Have a nice life and I wish you the best.
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God tells the end from the beginning and in the beginning there was a firstborn Adam and a second born Eve who were both to have dominion. A masculine and a feminine. When you eliminate the 2nd born feminine and absorb all dominion then it is you who is both blind and deaf.

The plan of God is to give the father of creation/Adam and the mother of creation/Eve dominion over this earth. Your plan is to give Adam all dominion and eliminate Eve/the second born and not only eliminate but also absorb all the 2nd borns inheritance and blessings....it’s not going to work out so well for you in that endeavor.

The volume of the book is about the 1st born and second born and their continued rivalry until the end when the unification of the 1st born and second born arrives. The scriptures even inform us the 1st born will be blind to seeing the 2nd born and gives us the timeline which is until the throne room visit.

In your understanding, you and Jesus are going to be on earth with the bride and the jues combining melchelzedek kingdom with the davidic/levitic kingdom. The other anointed just disappears. Ezekiel tells us animal sacrifice will be reinstated in the rebuilt temple but you reject that making Jeremiah and Ezekiel false prophets but so long as you and Jesus are running the earth all is well in the universe...lol. Got a secret for ya.....Jesus doesn’t want to be on earth during the millennium and he doesn’t want to make Jeremiah and Ezekiel false prophets also Jesus will have broken his covenant in giving the 1st born Adam and 2nd born Eve dominion if he doesn’t give 2nd born Eve dominion also to rule over everything that moves on earth according to genesis 1:28. The two dominions on earth during the millennium are the kingship and the priesthood and being I already know you are king it doesn’t leave much to the imagination to know what the other dominion is. You can be assured I’m going to bring that covenant to remembrance...lol

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Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.


Now the secret has been revealed to you.....whether you want to accept it or not doesn’t matter....it only had to be revealed to you....now we just wait for the plan to fall into place.



I know the secret and now so do you.





How do you tell both prophets the secret and keep the brotherhood broken until the fullness of the gentiles? You let the younger of the two see the secret and have him tell the older....the older will think he knows more than the younger and will refuse to believe him but the important thing is they both have been told the secret not that they both believed it

It’s the same pattern he used with the Christians and jues. God revealed his secret to the younger to tell the elder and they received the secret just as well as you do Judah....lol


What is Judah’s/jues blindness? They can’t see their brother the Christians so they have a broken brotherhood until the fullness of the gentiles. What is your blindness? You can’t see your brother/partner just like the Judah/jues. Do you not find it strange in the least that you have zero prospects for the other anointed? Look for the guy you are in a broken brotherhood with who tells you daily “ I’m right here.....hello....over here...woo hoo right here for the last 10 years and you will find the “younger brother” the other anointed.....because only the house of Judah and their representative is promised blindness til the fullness of the gentiles. The other anointed isn’t promised blindness as he had to be used to reveal the secret to the other anointed just as the Christians are used to reveal the secret of the age of grace through Jesus. The younger one is given the secret first.


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Jeremiah and ezekiel tell us the millennial kingdom on earth will be davidic/levitic which means separation of the kingship and the priesthood. When the theory in the video has David as king also being the high priest it turns the kingdom into a melchelzedek kingdom . That’s how we know David can’t be king and high priest on earth during the millennium because the kingdom is davidic/levitic dealing with the salvation of the jues as the bride will reign from heaven with Jesus in his heavenly melchelzedek kingdom where it is permissible to be kings and priests combined
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Jeremiah and ezekiel tell us the millennial kingdom on earth will be davidic/levitic which means separation of the kingship and the priesthood. When the theory in the video has David as king also being the high priest it turns the kingdom into a melchelzedek kingdom . That’s how we know David can’t be king and high priest on earth during the millennium because the kingdom is davidic/levitic dealing with the salvation of the jues as the bride will reign from heaven with Jesus in his heavenly melchelzedek kingdom where it is permissible to be kings and priests combined
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David reincarnates as a descendant of Joseph/Ephraim who inherited the priesthood of Melchizedek from Potipherah - the father-in-law of Joseph and priest of On. The priestly functions of the prince in Ezekiel is Melchizedekian and not Levitical, which is why there are significant differences between the 2.
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Jeremiah and ezekiel tell us the millennial kingdom on earth will be davidic/levitic which means separation of the kingship and the priesthood. When the theory in the video has David as king also being the high priest it turns the kingdom into a melchelzedek kingdom . That’s how we know David can’t be king and high priest on earth during the millennium because the kingdom is davidic/levitic dealing with the salvation of the jues as the bride will reign from heaven with Jesus in his heavenly melchelzedek kingdom where it is permissible to be kings and priests combined
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David reincarnates as a descendant of Joseph/Ephraim who inherited the priesthood of Melchizedek from Potipherah - the father-in-law of Joseph and priest of On. The priestly functions of the prince in Ezekiel is Melchizedekian and not Levitical, which is why there are significant differences between the 2.
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Not according to Jeremiah 33 it says the priesthood will be levitic:

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.


This earth is the testing ground to see if you will become melchelzedek order kings and priests in the next realm. The Christians will finish their testing when the age of grace ends and they go to the next realm which is heaven where they can be kings and priests because it is a melchelzedek order kingdom. You have to remember earth is a lesser shadow of heaven so if heaven is the combination of the kingship and priesthood melchelzedek order kingdom then earth has to be the lesser davidic/levitic kingdom which is separation of the kingship and the priesthood that is why here are two anointed and not just one..

The millennial kingdom is the jues turn to have faith in Jesus but because Satan/his demons , the false prophet. and the beast are all bound in the bottomless pit for the 1000 year millennium the people on earth will be able to follow the law for holiness therefore the millennium will be faith in Jesus for salvation and the law for holiness as the shekina glory will be dwelling on earth back in the rebuilt temple. The test will be to see who has faith in Jesus just as it was for the Christians.....and notice when Jesus comes back at the end of the millennium he creates a new earth/realm which will be melchelzedek order kingdom for all because this earth was just the testing ground to see who becomes melchelzedek order kingdom residents. The bride and tribulation saints will come down to the new earth after the millennium and join with those who dwelt on earth during the millennium who had faith in Jesus and will all live together as melchelzedek order kings and priest in the new earth Jesus creates.

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They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.




There it is the priest which is the teacher of righteousness and the prince/king which is the prince of the congregation....and they are collegues


There is one that is raised up in the end days know as "The Teacher of Righteousness", whether it be an office or a title we do not know, but he will raise up in these last days!!:

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The Teacher of Righteousness and the End of Days

Sarah Klitenic

Introduction: Purpose and Methods

The Exhortation that begins the Damascus Document of the Dead Sea Scrolls prefaces the theology of the Qumran community. Namely, it explains how God leaves the Temple and sends the Babylonians to punish those who have polluted the Sanctuary and abandoned the Temple. However, God leaves a remnant who will one day return to the land of Israel once the people learn to correctly follow Mosaic Law. But the true mark of God’s benevolence is in the guide he sends: "And God observed their deeds, that they sought Him with a whole heart, and He raised for them a Teacher of Righteousness to guide them in the way of his heart."1 Here, God raises this Teacher from the remnant of Israel and makes him a guide for the people. For the Teacher must not only guide the remnant through the desert, but he must show it the path of Righteousness to bring about the end of days: the end of days comes with proper ordering of society and return of Israel to her rightful descendants. But who is this Teacher of Righteousness? He is a prophet with God-given ability to interpret the Law. In this paper, I will try to provide a basic description of the Teacher by looking at references to him in the Scrolls and by paying close attention to the Pesherim and Hodayot. I will then explore the nature of his apocalypticism. I hope that by progressing in this manner I will shed light on the nature of this elusive character, the Teacher of Righteousness.

References to the Teacher in the Dead Sea Scrolls

As E.P. Sanders begins his quest for the historical Jesus,2 he explains that the best place to begin is with the facts. Likewise, as we try to understand the Teacher of Righteousness (T of R), it is preferable to begin with what we know about the Teacher from the Dead Sea Scrolls themselves. Authors of the scrolls know the Teacher as Teacher, Teacher of the Community, Teacher of Righteousness,3 Interpreter, Interpreter of the Law,4 Priest,5 The Priest.6 He is never explicitly referred to as prophet, but descriptions, context, and tradition lead one to believe that the Teacher is in fact a prophet. The Damascus Document (CD), the Commentary on Micah, the Commentary on Habakkuk, and the Commentary on Psalms use the titles Teacher, Teacher of the Community, and Teacher of Righteousness. From such passages, we learn that the Teacher is the founder of the community7 and that the present generation of the community looks to him as an historical authority. In all of these references, the Teacher, Teacher of the Community, and Teacher of Righteousness is a figure divinely chosen to expound the Law and set Community members on the righteous path for the end of days.8 His words help prepare for the end:

Who have listened to the voice of the Teacher of Righteousness and have not despised the precepts of righteousness when they heard them; they shall rejoice and their hearts shall be strong, and they shall prevail over all the sons of the earth. God will forgive them and they shall see His salvation because they took refuge in His holy name. (CD XIII, 30-5)

Here, the Teacher of Righteousness is one who dispels the ‘precepts of righteousness’ which one must follow in order to reach salvation. God speaks through the Teacher so that those listening to the Teacher follow God’s words and receive His salvation. Moreover, the Teacher speaks God’s words when he interprets divine scripture; the DSS knows the Teacher as ‘Interpreter of the Law’ in documents such as The Community Rule, the Damascus Document, the Commentary on Habakkuk, and Midrash on the Last Days. The fact that the Teacher is the authority on the Law reflects his role in the community because the Law is pivotal to the Community. In the Thanksgiving Hymns, for instance, the Teacher refers to himself as having the waters of the Covenant confirmed in his heart for those who seek it, for God has ‘hidden Thy Law [within (him)].’9 In this passage, the Teacher of Righteousness not only knows the Law, but his knowledge of the Law is given to him by God. As in Numbers 12:6-8 when Moses receives the Law mouth to mouth from God, the Teacher also receives the law from the mouth of God in 1 Qp Hab II 2-3. The community respects the T of R’s legal understanding and uses his interpretations for redemption:

But all those who hold fast to these precepts and coming in accordance with the Law, who heed the voice of the Teacher and confess before God, saying, ‘Truly we have sinned... by walking counter to the precepts of the covenant’...; they shall rejoice and their hearts shall be strong. (CD 28-30)

Here, members of the CD Community that listen to the T of R and follow his teachings will rejoice in the eschaton. Lastly, the teacher is referred to explicitly as a priest in the pesher on Ps 37:23-24. These references to the Teacher in the DSS as a Teacher of Righteousness, an Interpreter of the Law, and a Priest paint the most general, most undeniable portrait of the Teacher.

Pesherim: Interpretations of the Law

The pesherim10 are interpretations of written prophetic texts that can be understood as ‘unraveling of mysteries.’11 J. Carmignac broke the pesherim into two categories: continuous, which interpret a single book section by section, and thematic, which consist of certain citations grouped around a thematic idea.12 Both of these forms of pesherim are characterized by raz, a term taken from the notion of the ancient prophets being introduced in their visions into the heavenly assembly of special knowledge.13 However, the pesherim take the idea of divine prophetic revelation a step further, because they claim to contain the mystery of things hidden even to the prophets themselves who wrote the words now interpreted. Horgan points to 1 QpHab 7:4-5 as an example of this:

and God told Habakkuk to write down that which would happen to the final generation, but He did not make known to him when time would come to an end. And as for that which He said, That he who reads may read it speedily: interpreted this concerns the Teacher of Righteousness, to whom God made known all the mysteries of the words of His servants the Prophets.

In this pesher, the Teacher understands what is to come because God allows him to unravel the mystery of Habakkuk’s prophecy; namely that within the words, God buries his plans for the founding of the community, the rise of the Teacher, and the end of days. Once God gives the Teacher prophetic understanding, the Teacher unravels the mystery in scripture and he uses that new knowledge to create rules which will regulate the Community. In this manner, the entire Community order, every rule, every hierarchical position, is governed by the Teacher’s interpretation of scripture in anticipation for the end of days.

Moreover, because the Teacher is the Interpreter of the Law, the pesherim provide additional insight into the Teacher. That is, these pesherim are the Teacher’s mode of divine revelation via interpretation of scripture. By carefully examining how the Teacher interprets scripture, one can learn even more about the figure. For instance, in the Commentary on Habakkuk:

[Behold the nations and see, marvel and be astonished; for I accomplish a deed in your days, but you will not believe it when] told. They, the men of violence and the breakers of the Covenant, will not believe when they hear all that [is to happen to] the final generation from the Priest [in whose heart] God set [understanding] that he might interpret all the words of His servants the Prophets, through whom He foretold all that would happen to his people and [His land]. (1QpHab II, 5-10)

In the passage, the Teacher is a priest who has the divine power to interpret Scripture, namely the Prophetic Books. Moreover, the Teacher prefers the Prophets because God imparted them with the knowledge of what is to come in the generation of the Teacher. The Teacher is given knowledge by God to understand these prophets so he can likewise teach the people righteousness and prevent their destruction at the end of days. This passage reveals much about the Community’s theology of prophecy. The Teacher was chosen long ago by God to prepare the remnant for the end of days; the prophets were likewise sent generations ago to prepare for this event.14 When the Teacher interprets the Law, he is more similar to the biblical Prophets in his mode of revelation than a scribe or a midrashic rabbi. Unlike the rabbis, the Teacher does not rely on the peshat or derash. His interpretations are more than mere allegories of text, but at the same time, they are not visions as the ancient prophets experienced them. Additionally, the Teacher is different from other exegetes because he does not merely apply scripture to his situation, but rather claims that scripture is written with him in mind. Based on the manner in which he interprets scripture, we can generalize that the Teacher is similar to the prophets, but also unique in his own right.

Claims of authorship

Just as one could learn about the Interpreter of the Law by reading the pesherim, one can learn about the Teacher by reading passages he supposedly wrote. Scholars believe that portions of the Hodayot (Thanksgiving Psalms) are actually written by the Teacher. Being able to identify material written by the Teacher is valuable because it tells us how the Teacher saw himself, his mission, and his relationship to the community and God. In this section of the paper, I will first discuss scholarship concerning the Teacher’s authorship of the Hodayot and then I will analyze various passages from the Thanksgiving Hymns. By examining the Hodayot, it seems that the material most filled with historical specifics and most charged with human emotion is likely to have been written by the Teacher. Additionally, scholars also claim that other scrolls were written by the Teacher. Recently, for example, the Temple Scroll (TS) has garnered attention as having been written by the Teacher. However, there are a number of reasons why TS cannot be the product of the Teacher. By first exploring why select Hodayot must have been written by the Teacher and then discussing why the Temple Scroll cannot possibly be the work of the Teacher, I hope to shed light on the Teacher and his role in the Scrolls.

The Hodayot

Among German scholars, there are three basic theories regarding authorship of the Hodayot: 1. the text is a literary unity and was written by the Teacher of Righteousness, 2. the text is not a unity and was written by anonymous authors. 3. the text is not a unity but within the Hodayot there is a core of hymns that were written by the Teacher of Righteousness.15 The first claim, although popular in the early days of Hodayot scholarship, has become less popular in recent years. It explains that the author of the entire scroll was the Teacher of Righteousness.16 Such an account, however, does not explain stylistic, linguistic, and content differences between hymns. The second theory, that the text is not a unity and is written by anonymous authors, has support from those believing that the works could have been written by the Teacher of Righteousness’ disciples.17 Moreover, the linguistic character of these hymns dictates that they could only have been written by one disciple modeling himself after the Teacher of Righteousness, rather than many disciples. The third theory is more widely recognized. It says that the text is not a unity, and that within the Hodayot there is a core of hymns written by the Teacher of Righteousness.

This third theory of German scholarship seems the most plausible because it best appreciates the stylistic features of the hymns. By examining stylistic features such as use of the first person pronoun, content, and linguistic uniformity, three German scholars derived a criteria that distinguishes hymns written by the Teacher from those written by the community at a later date. Gert Jeremias, Jurgen Becker, and Heinz-Wolfgang Kuhn18 individually note the following: that in many of the hymns, the use of ‘I’ speaks passionately about personal experiences; that these hymns often deal with individual accounts of dire need or use the motif of the mediator of revelation;19 and that these hymns are historical and specific, rather than theological and general, with regard to language. These scholars then designated such hymns as written by the Teacher of Righteousness himself; they are ‘Teacher hymns’ as opposed to Community hymns or didactic hymns. But such an explanation cries out for an example. Take the following passage:

They have banished me from my land
like a bird from its nest;
all my friends and brethren are driven far from me
and hold me for a broken vessel.

And they, teachers of lies and seers of falsehood,
have schemed against me a devilish scheme,
to exchange the Law engraved on my heart by Thee
for the smooth things (which they speak) to Thy people.
And they withhold from the thirsty the drink of Knowledge, and assuage their thirst with vinegar,
that they may gaze on their straying,
on their folly concerning feast-days,
on their fall into their snares.
(1 QH IV, 7-12)

Jeremias, Becker, and Kuhn agree that this wrathful passage must have been written by the Teacher of Righteousness. By reading this passage line by line, we can better understand the Gottingen criteria.

In the above passage, the author prominently uses certain vocabulary, syntax, and content to show how he is set apart from the others both literally, by his unjust banishment, and metaphorically, by his God-given knowledge. Here, the Teacher’s use of the first person pronoun stands opposite the third person pronoun: ‘They have banished me from my land.’ By speaking in the first person, the Teacher’s account of the injustices he suffers become personal and moving. Regardless of whether we are able to accurately name that third party, there is nothing general about this verse: the Teacher clearly blames a group of people for his woes. Moreover, a few lines down, he refers to ‘they’ in more specific language: they are ‘teachers of lies and seers of falsehood.’ From this line, the reader learns more about who ‘they’ are and the reader also learns more about the identity of the Teacher. In contrast to ‘teachers of lies and seers of falsehood’, the Teacher is a teacher of truth and a seer of righteousness. The Teacher’s truth, which is ‘engraved on his heart’ by God, is emphasized by the fact that those who are able to receive knowledge do so by drinking it. The reader also learns about the concerns of the Teacher from his final charge against the teachers of lies: the author of the hymn worries about the timing of the feasts.20 For the following reasons, this passage fulfills the description of the typical Teacher hymn as set out by Jeremias, Becker, and Kuhn: 1. the Teacher uses the first person to relay his personal situation; 2. the Teacher, who is set apart because God engraved truth in his heart, is full of woe; 3. the Teacher uses specifics, such as his calendar concerns, that do not speak to the general problems of mankind. Because this hymn is so personal, so moving, and so specific, it does not seem likely that it could have been written by anyone other than the Teacher.21 Moreover, once we recognize the components of this hymn as characteristic of the Teacher, we get a better sense of his agenda and how he views himself. Based on the facts of the hymn, God grants the Teacher divine understanding of the Law for the imparting of this Law to those ‘thirsty’ for righteousness.

The Temple Scroll

Although scholars are the most confident concerning the authorship of the Hodayot, some wrongly attribute the Temple Scroll to the Teacher. They claim that the TS, like Deuteronomy, gives a description of God’s covenant with Israel. 22 There are two main claims that attempt to show that the Teacher wrote the TS: 1. Other documents in the Scrolls regard the Temple Scroll as Law and the Teacher of Righteousness as the Lawgiver. The Teacher of Righteousness can be compared to Moses as the author of the Law for a sectarian community. Hence, some suggest that the Teacher of Righteousness must be the author of the TS. 2. The Teacher is the most eminent figure in the DSS; only he is important enough to have written the Law. Both these reasons are defeated once one realizes that the Teacher is not the Lawgiver, but rather the Interpreter of the Law. Instead of creating his own law, the Teacher uses his divine power to understand biblical scripture. Furthermore, the Temple Scroll cannot be the law for the end of days because its edicts are not written for a righteous audience. The fact that the Teacher is not the author of the Temple Scroll makes it easier to understand how the Teacher does not write the Law for the end of days, but that another figure is to come.

Some wrongly claim that the Teacher is the author of TS because they misunderstand the relationship between the Teacher and the Law.23 Namely, throughout the Scrolls, the T of R is referred to as ‘the Interpreter of the Law’ and the TS is commonly referred to as the Law. However, the previous section explains that the Teacher interprets the Law, rather than writes a new Law, because of the pre-eminence of the Mosaic Law in the scrolls. Only by properly understanding the Mosaic Law can the Community help bring about the end of days. Moreover, some scholars argue that the TS is a an eschatological law. They primarily use the description of measurements for a Temple in (TS XXX-XVII) and claim that based on its size, the Temple in TS is eschatological. However, the Temple is possibly utopian rather than eschatological. Based on a comparison to the Temple in the Florilegium, it seems that the eschatological temple is one that God will create on ‘the day of creation.’24 Also, it is apparent from the nature of many laws, including laws on adultery and rape, that the TS is not meant for the end of days .25 Based on the textual evidence, the Teacher cannot be the author of the TS, the New Torah; instead, the Teacher creates guidelines for a way of living from the interpretation of the Torah. He explains the Law to help order society and prepare for the end of days. He himself is not the fulfillment of eschatological expectations.

Who is the Teacher of Righteousness?

Difficulties arise when one tries to describe the Teacher of Righteousness; however, the complexity that most affects the description deals with whether to place the figure in the past or in the future. Many point to this ambiguity in a midrash of Num 21:18 that is in the Damascus Document.26 Unlike other passages in the same document, the figure mentioned here is in the future.

The well is the Law, and those who dug it were the converts of Israel who went out of the land of Judah to sojourn in the land of Damascus....The Staff is the Interpreter of the Law of whom Isaiah said, He makes a tool for His work; and the nobles of the peoples are those who come to dig the well with the staffs with which the staff ordained that they should walk in all age of wickedness- and without them they shall find nothing- until he comes who shall teach righteousness at the end of days. (CD, VI)

Here, confusion arises because the titles ‘Interpreter of the Law’ and ‘Teacher of Righteousness’ are interchangeable.27 The Teacher must have a role in both the past and the future: he is a figure of the community’s past as its founder and writer of its law. But, the law he writes is pertinent to the eschaton, for by following this law as divinely interpreted by the Teacher, community members can bring about the endtime. This ‘dual’ nature of the Teacher, however, should not be overexaggerated. The Teacher himself is in no way a messianic figure. He will not return at the endtime, but he does anticipate the arrival of his eschatological counterpart.28 It should also be made clear in the initial stages of this inquiry what the Teacher of Righteousness is not: he is not John the Baptist, he is not Jesus Christ, and we cannot attribute a specific, personal name to him.29 But, the reader can paint a general portrait of the Teacher. Based on the way the Teacher interprets the Law in the Pesherim and the way he describes his experiences in the Hodayot, it seems that he is priest who writes divinely inspired interpretations of the Law. He is a figure in the past who prepares his community for the imminent end.

The Teacher as the Community’s Founder

The passage mentioned earlier offers several assumptions about the historical Teacher:

The well is the Law, and those who dug it were converts of Israel who went out of the land of Judah to sojourn in the land of Damascus...The Staff is the Interpreter of the Law of whom Isaiah said, He makes a tool for His work.... (CD, VI)

This offers possibilities for the identity of the Teacher by putting the Teacher in the context of his own Community. Here, it can be assumed that the founding of the Community has a great deal to do with the Law itself; the founders left Judah and went into Damascus for this "well," the Law. The metaphor of the well as the Law is powerful: the well offers essential water that cannot be found in Judah. Ironically, the water is found in the desert. Of further irony is that even though the converts themselves dig this well in Damascus, they are still not able to find the well, the Law. Only the Staff, the Interpreter of the Law, finds the water. We now have a full picture of the Teacher: the Teacher helps found a community that left Judah because the Law is not able to ‘exist’ there. The Teacher interprets the Law for the community, thus making it ‘drinkable.’ Here, the reader is offered a number of roles for the Teacher. In this section, I will build on this portrait. I will explain how the Teacher and the community see the Teacher as a priest and a prophet who experiences revelation in the mode of divine interpretation of Law.

Teacher as Priest

The evidence clearly shows that the T of R is a priest: this is explicit in textual evidence and suggested contextually based on the T of R’s concerns. For instance, in the pesher on Ps 37:23-24 (4QpPs 1-10 iii 15):

The steps of the man are confirmed by the Lord and He delights in all his ways; though [he stumbles, he shall not fall, for the Lord shall support his hand] (23-4). Interpreted, this concerns the Priest, the Teacher [of Righteousness] whom God chose to stand before Him, for He established him to build for Himself the congregation of...

Here, the Teacher is a priest who establishes the Community based on the will of God: the priest is chosen by God. As a priest, the Teacher is concerned with purity and the proper ordering of the Temple. Moreover, he behaves as a priest when the reader sees him on a more personal level. This is evident throughout the Thanksgiving Hymns, many of which can be typed as introspective confessions in the style of the priest-prophet Jeremiah. It is also clear that the Teacher is a priest based on the way priests are regarded throughout the Dead Sea Scrolls. Members of the Council of the Community (the elect of Israel) are known as sons of Zadok, the Priests; the Law of Moses has been revealed to these men.30 God raises these priests and they will be called by name at the end of days.31 The priests act as God’s counsel, so that ‘the man who does not listen but acts arrogantly without obeying the priest who is posted there to minister before [God]...that man shall die.’32 Clearly, the priests are the authority in the community. It is then logical to assume that the Teacher, as the eminent authority figure who most probably wrote this passage, would also be a priest. Although this piece of information helps the reader better understand the Teacher, it begs the question: how is the Teacher different from the other priests in the community? The next section addresses just that point.

High Priest?

The question has also been raised as to whether the Teacher was the High Priest of the Temple before escaping into the desert. On this question, scholars point to historical reconstruction and passages discussing the Teacher’s struggle with the Wicked Priest . Indirect evidence here leads many to conclude that the Teacher is a High Priest and that the Scrolls are primarily concerned with restoring a legitimate priest. However, this evidence is not conclusive. Based on the text, it is more reasonable to say that the Teacher struggles with the High Priest over purity rules, rather than for a power position or restoration of a ‘legitimate’ High Priest. More likely, the T of R was at one time a prophet in the Temple who was not popular with Temple authority because of his views on contentious issues of the day; this authority most likely drove him into exile. The Teacher thus laments over the Temple because Temple authorities do not follow the purity laws as dictated by God through Moses.

By reconstructing a seven year gap in history, some attempt to show how the Teacher could have been the designated high priest until his exile. After the High Priest Alkimos dies in 159 B.C, no High Priest has been attested in literature of the period as having taken his plIncest Loving Communist Josephus,34 however, explains that an intersacerdotium lasted seven years until Jonathan usurped power in 152 B.C. Because a High Priest is necessary to lead Yom Kippur Services, someone must have filled the role of High Priest, at least temporarily.35 J. Murphy-O’Connor speculates that his man may have introduced unpopular reforms so that when his position is usurped by Jonathan in 152, he is driven into the desert where he goes only by the title ‘Teacher of Righteousness’ so as not to draw attention to his identity.36 Murphy-O’Connor argues that the pesherim promise a High Priest from the Davidic line because the Teacher criticizes Jonathan with being an ‘illegitimate’ priest. Scholars believing that the Teacher is the High Priest, then, wrongly argue that the major debate between the sect and Jerusalem is over the High Priesthood.

The argument explaining why the Teacher was at one point High Priest of the Temple is based on speculation after speculation; it is historically implausible and it misunderstands the Teacher’s message. A better understanding of the Teacher can be achieved through the Scrolls. For instance, 1 QpHab 11:4-8 describes how the Wicked Priest pursues the Teacher to his place of exile and then attempts to disrupt his Day of Atonement. Of note, this passage shows that the Wicked Priest and the Teacher observe different calendars. It is unlikely that the Teacher was the High Priest if he was observing his own cultic calendar, because he would not have switched calendars in Qumran and Jonathan would not have introduced a new calendar in 152 BC.37 Moreover, there is no evidence in the text even to support that the Wicked Priest is not legitimate. The Teacher, however, repeatedly shows concerns over other issues of impurity. Notably, the Teacher names three types of impurity that profane the land: fornication, riches, and profanation of the Temple. Included among those things that profane the Temple are menstrual blood, incestuous relationships, and a breach of the Mosaic Covenant.38 It seems that the legitimacy of the priesthood is not one of the contentious issues between the sect and Jerusalem. Rather, the issues in the sectarian community are purity as understood by Mosaic Law. More likely, the relationship between the T of R and the Wicked Priest is that of Temple prophet, with a large following, exiled by the High Priest because of his unpopular views. This charismatic figure blames the Wicked Priest for polluting the Temple through the priest’s inappropriate behavior. In 1 QpHab 12:1-10, the Wicked Priest plots the destruction of the poor, commits abominable deeds, and defiles the Temple. Rather than planning an insurrection or attempt to overthrow the High Priest, the T of R condemns the Wicked Priest to an eschatological punishment. In this manner, the T of R fits the model of a prophet acting outside of the court.

Teacher as Prophet

Although the Teacher does not share many of the traits that the ancient prophets hold in common, he is clearly a prophet; his visions can be understood as a correct understanding or ordering of words through divine revelation of scripture. In this sense, the Teacher sees more. On the most basic level, the Teacher is unlike the other prophets because he does not have visions that come in the form of dream-like scenes—he is not a seer with a ‘third eye.’ However, a deeper understanding of the meaning of prophecy shows that the Teacher is similar to the biblical prophets. Otto Betz compares the Teacher’s divine revelation of scripture to Daniel’s interpretation of dreams and concludes that pesher and apocalypse are quite similar.39 Moreover, Betz notes that both the Teacher and Daniel use the term raz to help describe the mystery of their interpretations. A clear parallel can be seen when Daniel interprets the writings on the wall at Belshazzar’s feast.40 Here, only Daniel is able to interpret the writings of a supernatural author. Moreover, he dissects the inscription so as to give an interpretation based on each word, similar to the Teacher’s manner of interpreting the prophets.

The Teacher is similar to the other prophets both in his manner of interpretation and the reasons behind his revelation. In the following passage, the Teacher is similar to the prophets in a number of ways:

And they, teachers of lies and seers of falsehood,
have schemed against me a devilish scheme,
to exchange the Law engraved on my hear to Thee
for the smooth things (which they speak) to Thy people.
And they withhold from the thirsty the drink of Knowledge, and assuage their thirst with vinegar...
(1 QH IV, 8-10)

Like the Staff, the Teacher is needed by those thirsty for knowledge. In this passage, we also see that the Teacher’s righteousness is not fully human; because the Law is engraved on his heart by God, his interpretation of the Law is a divine interpretation.41 God has given the Teacher the power to ‘interpret all the words of his servants the prophets’42 and then God feeds the Teacher His words by which to prophesy.43 Here, the relationship between God and the Teacher is inextricably close; like the prophets Jeremiah and Ezekiel, the Teacher cannot escape his righteousness, despite the distress it causes him.44 Moreover, the Teacher is similar to the other prophets in his impetus for making the interpretations. Like Amos, Ezekiel, and Daniel, the Teacher writes at a time of serious social turmoil. He attempts to solve this turmoil by urging a new world order.

The Teacher’s Role in the End of Days

When the question concerning the identity of the Teacher of Righteousness was initially asked, the following passage was used as an example:

The nobles of the peoples are those who come to dig the well with staffs with which the staff ordained that they should walk in all age of wickedness- and without them they shall find nothing- until he comes who shall teach righteousness at the end of days. (CD, VI)

The eschaton cannot take place until there is a proper ordering of Society in the World:45 namely, Jerusalem must be the religious capital of the world (Isaiah 7, 9, 11); Temple Worship must be correct; Israel must not be dominated by foreign oppressors; and society must have just ownership of land.46 Evidence throughout this paper seems to show that the Teacher of Righteousness extracts principles to regulate the Community as God aids him in interpreting scripture. Through these regulations, a proper order is established and the eschaton is realized.

But, the Teacher of Righteousness does not take part in the end of days himself. Instead, he prepares the way for the eschatological messiahs. He sets the standard for interpretation of scripture which the Priestly Messiah, who takes the Teacher’s place in interpretation of the Law, relies on at the end of days. The following passage will first help the reader understand the messianic expectation of the community:

The king is the congregation; and the bases of the statutes are the Books of the Prophets whose saying Israel despised. The star is the Interpreter of the Law who shall come to Damascus; as it is written, A star shall come forth out of Jacob and a scepter shall rise out of Israel (Num xxiv, 17). The scepter is the Prince of the whole congregation and when he comes he shall smite all the children of Seth (Num. xxiv, 17). [CD VII, 15-20]

Here, two messiahs emerge at the end of days: the Interpreter of the law, or Priest-Messiah, and the Prince of the whole congregation, the Davidic Messiah.47 These figures are also referred to throughout the DSS as the messiahs of Aaron and Israel. They are not equal counter-parts: the Priest-Messiah has precedence over the Davidic Messiah in all legal matters: ‘As they teach him so shall he judge’.48 This precedence can be seen in passages from the community rule; ‘When the table has been prepared for eating, and the new wine for drinking, the Priest shall be the first to stretch out his hand to bless the first-fruits of the bread and new wine.’49

Here, the Messiah of Aaron takes precedence because he is the eschatological high priest who teaches righteousness at the end of days.50 Although the Prince of the Congregation presides over the battle liturgy (1 QM XV, 4; XVI, 13; XVIII) and the eschatological banquet (1 QSa II, 12-21),51 the Messiah of Aaron is more important for understanding the Teacher of Righteousness because he is the one who continues the Teacher’s message. The arrival of the Messiahs Aaron and Israel marks the eschatological turning point; once they arrive, the Messiah of Aaron interprets the Law.52 His legacy in the community is the basic interpretation of the Law that functions at the end of days.

Is the Teacher an Apocalyptic Figure?

An analysis of all the literature that has ever been regarded as ‘apocalyptic’ was printed in Semeia 14 to show the extent and limits of the category ‘apocalyptic literature.’53 The following features were identified as common to apocalypses: a narrative framework that describes the revelation; the main means of revelation as visions and otherworldly visions; presence of an angel who interprets the vision; disclosure of a transcendent reality which is temporal (eschatological salvation); transcendent reality which is spatial (involves another, supernatural world).54 Based on these criteria, it would appear that the Teacher does not write apocalypses. That is, the T of R is not a visionary.55 Unlike many figures in apocalypses, he does not resort to using a pseudonym. Such a phenomenon can be explained based on the charismatic nature of the Teacher: the Teacher is able to rest on his own authority. Also, the Teacher bases his interpretations on older scripture which gives htotal idiot spammerer authority. Rather than an apocalypse, it may be more accurate to say that the Qumran community is apocalyptic. According to John Collins in ‘The Apocalyptic Genre,’ Qumran fits the criteria for apocalypticism as the ideology of a movement: it shares the conceptual framework of the genre and endorses a world view in which supernatural revelation, the heavenly world, and eschatological judgement play essential parts.

Summary and Conclusion

Although we cannot say a great deal concerning the Teacher of Righteousness in the Dead Sea Scrolls, we are able to paint a general portrait of this Teacher. Based on references to the Teacher throughout the Scrolls, we learn that he is a priest and the interpreter of the Law. Moreover, by reading the pesherim, or interpretations of the Law, and the Hodayot actually written by the Teacher, it becomes clear that the Teacher is a prophet whose mode of revelation is divine interpretation of scripture. Within this mold, the Teacher has a role in both the Community’s past and future: he is a figure of the Community’s past as its founder, but his interpretation of the Law helps order society in anticipation for the two Messiahs and the eschaton.











every rule, every hierarchical position, is governed by the Teacher’s interpretation of scripture in anticipation for the end of days....his interpretation of scripture is correct regardless of anybody elses opinion!



...what does every rule and every hierarchical postion mean...lol...I guess it means what he says is what goes...lol





the Teacher of Righteousness does not take part in the end of days himself. Instead, he prepares the way for the eschatological messiahs. He sets the standard for interpretation of scripture which the Priestly Messiah, who takes the Teacher’s place in interpretation of the Law, relies on at the end of days.




Here, two messiahs emerge at the end of days: the Interpreter of the law, or Priest-Messiah, and the Prince of the whole congregation, the Davidic Messiah









In the Qumran texts themselves a parallel to the past and future Teacher of Righteousness is provided by the past and future Expounder of the Law (doresh ha-Torah). The "Staff" (meḥokek) in the Song of the Well is "the Expounder of the Law" who ordained the rules by which the men of the covenant live (CD 6:7); he is conceivably identical with the Teacher of Righteousness who organized the community. Later in the Zadokite Admonition the "star" of Amos 5:26 and (more especially) Numbers 24:17 is "the Expounder of the Law [doresh ha-Torah] who is to come to Damascus" (CD 7:18ff.). This coming Expounder of the Law is mentioned also in 4Q Florilegium, in an interpretation of II Samuel 7:11–14. In both of these passages he is to be accompanied by the Davidic Messiah, called "the prince of all the congregation" in CD 7:20 and "the shoot of David" in 4Q Florilegium. Since Torah is to be sought from the priest's lips (Mal. 2:7), this coming Expounder of the Law may be the great priest of the new age who will act as colleague to the great king; he may also be tentatively identified with the Teacher of Righteousness who is to stand up in the latter days (CD 6:11).
-Heed the warning or endure the mourning
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you see Joseph and Judah are supposed to try to join on their own and it's not supposed work out to show only God can join these two...and I believe we are right on schedule with that...lol











Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning [of the End Times] there would arise a Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. This will continue until later on, a descendant of David will appear and he will reign over them....
A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles.
The Commentary of "Malbim" on Ezekiel 37:15


The story of Joseph in the Bible is an historical account of what really did happen to Joseph, the ancestor of people in Britain and America, as well as other areas. The story of Joseph, in addition to being an historical account of what happened to a particular person named Joseph, is also symbolic of what will happen to his descendants. In Rabbinical tradition we have the concept of the “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), who will be a DESCENDANT OF JOSEPH. “Mashiach ben Yoseph” also represents the actions of the descendants of Joseph in the Last Days and the times leading up to these last days. In get lost tradition there will be two Messiahs: “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), and “Mashiach ben David” (Messiah, son of David).

The Two Messiahs

The concept of the Messiah is derived from the definition of “Mashiach.” “Mashiach” means “anointed one” in nope. A person could be anointed in order to be consecrated for a special purpose. For instance, in times of war a special priest was “anointed” to declare before the Israelite soldiers their God-ordained duty to fight bravely (Deuteronomy 19;2-4). The kings were ALSO anointed. The idea of an anointed savior, of a “Mashiah” i.e. Messiah, is contained in the Prophets. The “Messiah” was to be descended from King David. He was to be the “Messiah, son of David.” In addition to the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, a tradition existed that there would also be a “Messiah, son of Joseph” who would come shortly before the “Messiah, son of David.” The MESSIAH, SON OF JOSEPH was to be a descendant of Joseph, from nope of Ephraim. According to the Biblical Commentary known as the Malbim (1809-1879), the MESSIAH, SON OF JOSEPH, was to head the Lost Ten Tribes in the latter days in the period leading up to the return of the Lost Ten Tribes and their eventual re-unification with Judah. The full name of the MALBIM was Meir Leib ben Yechiel Michael [Weiser], but he is called “MALBIM” for short. He lived in 1809-1879 CE. The Malbim comments on Ezekiel 37:
THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME AGAIN UNTO ME, SAYING, MOREOVER, THOU SON OF MAN, TAKE THEE ONE STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JUDAH, AND FOR THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:

THEN TAKE ANOTHER STICK, AND WRITE UPON IT, FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL HIS COMPANIONS:

AND JOIN THEM ONE TO ANOTHER INTO ONE STICK; AND THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND.


AND WHEN THE CHILDREN OF THY PEOPLE SHALL SPEAK UNTO THEE, SAYING, WILT THOU NOT SHEW US WHAT THOU MEANEST BY THESE? SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD;

BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH, WHICH IS IN THE HAND OF EPHRAIM, AND nopeS OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, AND WILL PUT THEM WITH HIM, EVEN WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, AND MAKE THEM ONE STICK, AND THEY SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND. AND THE STICKS WHEREON THOU WRITEST SHALL BE IN THINE HAND BEFORE THEIR EYES.

AND SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL FROM AMONG THE HEATHEN, WHITHER THEY BE GONE, AND WILL GATHER THEM ON EVERY SIDE, AND BRING THEM INTO THEIR OWN LAND: AND I WILL MAKE THEM ONE NATION IN THE LAND UPON THE MOUNTAINS OF ISRAEL; AND ONE KING SHALL BE KING TO THEM ALL:

AND THEY SHALL BE NO MORE TWO NATIONS, NEITHER SHALL THEY BE DIVIDED INTO TWO KINGDOMS ANY MORE AT ALL. NEITHER SHALL THEY DEFILE THEMSELVES ANY MORE WITH THEIR IDOLS, NOR WITH THEIR DETESTABLE THINGS, NOR WITH ANY OF THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS:

BUT I WILL SAVE THEM OUT OF ALL THEIR DWELLING PLACES, WHEREIN THEY HAVE SINNED, AND WILL CLEANSE THEM: SO SHALL THEY BE MY PEOPLE, AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD. AND DAVID MY SERVANT SHALL BE KING OVER THEM; AND THEY ALL SHALL HAVE ONE SHEPHERD:

THEY SHALL ALSO WALK IN MY JUDGMENTS, AND OBSERVE MY STATUTES, AND DO THEM. AND THEY SHALL DWELL IN THE LAND THAT I HAVE GIVEN UNTO JACOB MY SERVANT, WHEREIN YOUR FATHERS HAVE DWELT; AND THEY SHALL DWELL THEREIN, EVEN THEY, AND THEIR CHILDREN, AND THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN FOR EVER:

AND MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER. MOREOVER I WILL MAKE A COVENANT OF PEACE WITH THEM; IT SHALL BE AN EVERLASTING COVENANT WITH THEM: AND I WILL PLACE THEM, AND MULTIPLY THEM, AND WILL SET MY SANCTUARY IN THE MIDST OF THEM FOR EVERMORE. MY TABERNACLE ALSO SHALL BE WITH THEM:

YEA, I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. AND THE HEATHEN SHALL KNOW THAT I THE LORD DO SANCTIFY ISRAEL, WHEN MY SANCTUARY SHALL BE IN THE MIDST OF THEM FOR EVERMORE.

[Ezekiel chapter 37: 15-28]
The Malbim explained the above verses that we have just read from the 37th chapter of Ezekiel in the following manner: [Ezekiel 37;15] "He [the Prophet] was commanded to take one stick and to write upon it, these words, ~FOR JUDAH AND FOR THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HIS COMPANIONS~; [this stick] represented Judah and those [others] joined unto him from the Children of Israel, such as nope of Benjamin, and the Sons of Levi, and the rest of the people who had attached themselves to Judah.

[And he goes on in Ezekiel] "~And he took another stick, and he wrote upon it, these words: ~FOR JOSEPH, THE STICK OF EPHRAIM, AND FOR ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL, HIS COMPANIONS~; [this stick] represents Joseph who was the source of nope [of Ephraim]. From Joseph developed the Kingdom of Ephraim, which began with Jeroboam, and therefore [the stick of Joseph] is [also] termed , ~THE STICK OF EPHRAIM.

Ezekiel says: ~AND ALL THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL~, for unto him [unto Joseph] were joined all of Israel which belong to the Ten Tribes... Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning (of the End Times) would arise a Messiah, [i.e. Anointed Saviour], from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. [This will continue] until a descendant of David later appears and he will reign over them... [over all nopes].

The Malbim continues: "A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles".

The MALBIM connects the Prophecy in Ezekiel 37 with that in the Book of Micah chapter 5. The fifth chapter of Micah was explained in the historical sections of our work “nopes” by Yair Davidiy (first edition 1993, second edition 1999). The fifth chapter of Micah was seen to describe the union of King Josiah ben Amon of Judah with the Israelite-Scythian rulers of the Middle East at that time. The Scythians were actually the sons, grandsons, and great-grandsons of Israelites exiled to Assyria and elsewhere in the Assyrian Empire. The Assyrians had settled the exiled Israelites in border areas and had also absorbed segments of them into the armed forces. The Kingdom of Assyria was attacked by outsiders and also suffered from the rebellions of peoples it had conquered. The Empire of Assyria became weakened so many of the peoples within the Assyrian Empire began to assert their independence. Part of the Israelite Exiles also asserted their independence in their places of Exile. The Israelite exiles had joined up with other groups. The Israelite Exiles can be identified as part of a confederation of peoples known as the Cimmerians. From the Cimmerians the Scythians and Goths emerged. The Scythians and Goths, who emerged from the Cimmerians, were also Israelites or at least Israelites were an important major element amongst them. The Assyrians made terms with the Scythians and attempted to use the Scythians against the enemies of Assyria. The Scythians became the protectors of Assyria. From being protectors of Assyria the Scythians progressed to take control of most of the Assyrian they Empire. The Scythians then attempted to join forces with the Kingdom of Judah and assisted King Josiah ben Amon of Judah against his enemies. King Josiah of Judah in turn assisted the Scythians. King Josiah of Judah made an attempt to resettle some of the Scythians in and around Beth-Shean in the former territory of Menasseh, in the northern part of Israel. This attempt was not successful. Eventually the Assyrians attempted to re-assert themselves and there were wars and changes of alliances. King Josiah of Judah lost his life fighting on behalf of the Scythians. At all events, the Scythians then fought against the Assyrians and they played the main role in destroying the Empire of Assyria. The Scythians destroyed Assyria. The main allies of the Scythians were the Medes and Babylonians. The Medes and Babylonians betrayed the Scythians and drove the Scythians northward into Southern Russia. From Southern Russia the Scythians later moved by stages to Western Europe. The Prophet Micah in Chapter Five, Nope passages, archaeological evidence, and historical accounts all confirm what we have just told you.

[Micah 5:1] NOW GATHER THYSELF IN TROOPS, O DAUGHTER OF TROOPS: HE HATH LAID SIEGE AGAINST US: THEY SHALL SMITE THE JUDGE OF ISRAEL WITH A ROD UPON THE CHEEK. [Micah 5:2] BUT THOU, BETHLEHEM EPHRATAH, THOUGH THOU BE LITTLE AMONG THE THOUSANDS OF JUDAH, YET OUT OF THEE SHALL HE COME FORTH UNTO ME THAT IS TO BE RULER IN ISRAEL; WHOSE GOINGS FORTH HAVE BEEN FROM OF OLD, FROM EVERLASTING. [Micah 5:3] THEREFORE WILL HE GIVE THEM UP, UNTIL THE TIME THAT SHE WHICH TRAVAILETH HATH BROUGHT FORTH: THEN THE REMNANT OF HIS BRETHREN SHALL RETURN UNTO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL.

The above verses speak of a King from the House of David who came out of Beth-Lehem. He shall rule over some of the exiled of Israel who will return. This is what King Josiah did. It is also what the Messiah is destined to do at first.

[Micah 5:4] AND HE SHALL STAND AND FEED IN THE STRENGTH OF THE LORD, IN THE MAJESTY OF THE NAME OF THE LORD HIS GOD; AND THEY SHALL ABIDE: FOR NOW SHALL HE BE GREAT UNTO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH. [Micah 5:5] AND THIS MAN SHALL BE THE PEACE, WHEN THE ASSYRIAN SHALL COME INTO OUR LAND: AND WHEN HE SHALL TREAD IN OUR PALACES, THEN SHALL WE RAISE AGAINST HIM SEVEN SHEPHERDS, AND EIGHT PRINCIPAL MEN.

The Assyrians had entered the Lands of Israel and Judah in the past and they had trodden down the cities and palaces of Israel. The Israelite Scythians after being exiled became at first allies and protectors of Assyria. They were “SHEPHERDS”, or protectors, as Micah says, then they became the main rulers (“EIGHT PRINCIPAL MEN”) just as Micah describes the Israelites as doing.

[Micah 5:6] AND THEY [i.e. the Israelites] SHALL WASTE THE LAND OF ASSYRIA WITH THE SWORD, AND THE LAND OF NIMROD IN THE ENTRANCES THEREOF: THUS SHALL HE DELIVER US FROM THE ASSYRIAN, WHEN HE COMETH INTO OUR LAND, AND WHEN HE TREADETH WITHIN OUR BORDERS.

They shall destroy the land of Assyria. The Israelites will destroy Assyria just as the Assyrians had formerly destroyed the Land of Israel. This is what the Israelite-Scythians did. They destroyed Assyria.

[Micah 5:7] AND THE REMNANT OF JACOB SHALL BE IN THE MIDST OF MANY PEOPLE AS A DEW FROM THE LORD, AS THE SHOWERS UPON THE GRASS, THAT TARRIETH NOT FOR MAN, NOR WAITETH FOR THE SONS OF MEN. [Micah 5:8] AND THE REMNANT OF JACOB SHALL BE AMONG THE GENTILES IN THE MIDST OF MANY PEOPLE AS A LION AMONG THE BEASTS OF THE FOREST, AS A YOUNG LION AMONG THE FLOCKS OF SHEEP: WHO, IF HE GO THROUGH, BOTH TREADETH DOWN, AND TEARETH IN PIECES, AND NONE CAN DELIVER.

The Scythians after taking over the Assyrian Empire ruled over the Middle East and spread terror of their name everywhere just like the “British Lion” was later to do.

[Micah 5:9] THINE HAND SHALL BE LIFTED UP UPON THINE ADVERSARIES, AND ALL THINE ENEMIES SHALL BE CUT OFF.

What we have just described is the historical context of the fifth chapter of Micah. Nevertheless, in our book “nopes” we emphasized that the major intention of Chapter Five of The Book of Micah, was for the Messianic period. This Chapter Five of Micah may be considered to incidentally describe events concerning the temporary Judaean and Israelite (Scythian) re-union that once took place. These historical events were a kind of partial forerunner or prototypical model of the re-union that will take place in the future. The future re-union is yet to happen but it will occur in the Messianic Era or in the period leading up to it. The MALBIM in his commentary on this Fifth Chapter of Micah intended to also throw additional light on Chapter 37 in Ezekiel. The Malbim considered chapter five of Micah and Chapter 37 of Ezekiel as talking about the same events. A few extracts from the Commentary of the Malbim on chapter five of Micah helps us understand his Commentary on Chapter 37 of Ezekiel. The Malbim says on:

MALBIM on Micah 5;1: ".....It has already been clarified in Ezekiel 37, that in the End Time, the Ten Tribes will be the first to arouse themselves and over them will reign the Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] Descendant of Joseph and they will accomplish great things.

"nope of Judah who are scattered amongst the nations [and are] weakly and few will attach themselves [unto the Ten Tribes]. They [i.e. nope of Judah, the get lost] will be of secondary importance [at first] in the kingdom of the Anointed Descendant of Joseph. [This will continue] until later there will arise the Anointed Descendant of David in the Might of The LORD. At that time they will all [both Joseph and Judah] accept upon themselves the Kingship of the House of David. Then wars will cease for the Gentiles will request [guidance from] him [i.e. from the Messiah]...

"He [the Prophet Micah] wants to describe the situation that will exist as long as the general ingathering will not be completed and all of the Exiled of Judah will still not be gathered together in the Land of Israel: Then, all that time, the House of Israel [meaning the Ten Tribes and the Anointed Descendant of Joseph who belongs to them] will be the principal party. They will be the warriors and the rulers. The House of Judah will be secondary [in importance] unto them. This was explained in Ezekiel [37;19]
“BEHOLD , I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH…“I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH…AND I WILL PUT UPON HIM THE STICK OF JUDAH”, i.e. the Malbim understands the verse to say that the stick of Judah will be put on the stick of Joseph. The Malbim understands this to mean that Judah will be secondary to Joseph.

The KJ version of this verse (Ezekiel 37;19) that the Malbim is referring to has it translated as:

"[Ezekiel 37:19] SAY UNTO THEM, THUS SAITH THE LORD GOD; BEHOLD, I WILL TAKE THE STICK OF JOSEPH, WHICH IS IN THE HAND OF EPHRAIM, AND nopeS OF ISRAEL HIS FELLOWS, AND WILL PUT THEM WITH HIM, EVEN WITH THE STICK OF JUDAH, AND MAKE THEM ONE STICK, AND THEY SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.

The King James seems to understand that the stick of Joseph will be put with the stick of Judah and not that the stick of Judah will be put with Joseph. This is just the opposite of how the Malbim understands the verse. In the original nope the verse could be understood either way. At all events, The MALBIM understands the nope as saying that Judah will be put on (attached to) Joseph (and therefore will be at first of secondary "attache"status importance to Joseph. In Genesis chapter 44 it is related how the brothers sold Joseph. Joseph later had become the virtual ruler of Egypt. Meanwhile the Land of Canaan like the Land of Egypt was stricken with famine. The brothers of Joseph went up to Egypt to buy grain. Joseph recognized his brothers but the brothers of Joseph did not recognize him. Joseph forced his brothers to go back to Canaan and eventually return accompanied by Benjamin the younger brother of Joseph by the same mother. Joseph then framed Benjamin and made Benjamin look like a thief. Joseph threatened to keep Benjamin as a slave. Judah stepped forward and approached Joseph and pleaded on behalf of Benjamin. Judah offered to serve as a slave instead of Benjamin. The Commentators say that because Judah took responsibility for Benjamin Judah merited to be given Messianic responsibility as part of his Tribal Destiny. From Judah emerges the House of David and the future Messiah. Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, the Lubavitcher (Chabad) Rabbi, made the following observations on the action of Judah (Genesis: VaYigash). Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson was considered inspired by his followers and by many others. The relevant verse says:

[GENESIS 44:18] THEN JUDAH CAME NEAR UNTO HIM, AND SAID, OH MY LORD, LET THY SERVANT, I PRAY THEE, SPEAK A WORD IN MY LORD'S EARS, AND LET NOT THINE ANGER BURN AGAINST THY SERVANT: FOR THOU ART EVEN AS PHARAOH.

Commentary: On the verse: “FOR THOU ART EVEN AS PHARAOH”: Rabbi Schneerson quotes the source saying that Judah meant to say that Joseph is as powerful as Pharaoh and that Judah acknowledges his authority. Judah acknowledged the authority of Joseph. Because of this Judah merited the Promise in Ezekiel 37, “MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER”. The Rabbi says that in order for Judah to bring on the Messiah, to help the Messiah come, and realize the promise given to his seed (“MY SERVANT DAVID SHALL BE THEIR PRINCE FOR EVER”) Judah must first do as the Patriarch Judah did when he CAME NEAR UNTO Joseph and he acknowledged the authority of Joseph and initially was influenced from Joseph.

The Rabbi then went on to mention how the USA is a merciful state that does kindness and enables the get lost to practice their religion and has good principles. He used the term “Chesed” meaning kindness. The USA does “Chesed”, kindness. The Kings of the Ten Tribes Kingdom of northern Israel before their exile were also described as “merciful kings”, kings of “chesed”, Kings who do kindness (1-Kings 20;31).

Regarding the future Messiah son of Joseph: The traditional Aramaic Translation of the Prophets (Targum Yehonathan on Exodus 40:11) says the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is descended from Joshua the son of Nun from nope of Ephraim. Other sources say that the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is a descendant of Jeroboam the son of Nebath (Zohar Chadash, Balak 56b). Jeroboam had led the northern Ten Tribes when they rebelled against the House of David and broke away and formed their own kingdom of Israel (1-Kings chapter 12). All the Israelites in the separate kingdom of Israel were later exiled by the Assyrians and became the Lost Ten Tribes of Israel. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who is the descendant of Jeroboam will bring about the re-unification of the Lost Ten Tribes (Joseph) with Judah. He will therefore rectify the sin of his ancestor by re-uniting with Judah. He will make good what his forefather had done wrong. We too if we want to, and try hard, can make good what our fathers and forefathers and we ourselves have done wrong in the past. We can build a better future for the sake of our peoples and for the sake of our children and their children after them. This is our duty.

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in get lost Tradition in later generations was taken to be a symbolic figure. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH was understood to represent an historical process in which the get lost people would return to their land and rebuild themselves by natural means. Later the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID would appear and impart a spiritual dimension to the physical-material political structure that the process represented by the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH had prepared. This does not nullify the belief that the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to be a real person. It merely supplements it. It adds to it. It helps us understand it. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH was to appear before the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. In some sources the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is called “The First Redeemer.” The “Second Redeemer” will be the Messiah son of David.

The Messiah son of Joseph will be the leader of the Lost Ten Tribes. He will be descended from Joseph. In a sense The Messiah son of Joseph may be understood to represent Joseph and the Lost Ten Tribes, as a collective body. By considering some of the deeds and actions of The Messiah son of Joseph we can gain further evidence as to who the descendants of Joseph are today. Some points concerning the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH that are to be found in the book “Kol HaTor” (“The Voice of the Turtledove” in nope). This book is a collection of the sayings of a great and famous Rabbi (Eliyahu of Vilna) and his followers in the eighteenth century. The book deals with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Rabbi Elyahu of Vilna is considered to have been one of the greatest Rabbis of all time. The ideas in this book “Kol HaTor” are all based on Biblical or related sources. Similar to Cyrus king of Persia “Kol HaTor” says [1.6.1] The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is similar to Cyrus the Persian Monarch who encouraged the get lost to return from the Babylonian Exile and rebuild the Temple. Cyrus, the King of Persia, in some respects may be considered a forerunner (or prototype) of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Verses associated with Cyrus (Isaiah 42) are actually to a degree applicable to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will be revealed little by little.

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in some sources is referred to as the “Messiah son [descendant] of Ephraim.” The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is associated with the saving of lives and the rescue of Israelites and in this he is assisted by Judah and by the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. By way of Comment: The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH, as we have seen, is connected with the ingathering of the exiles. America and Britain both in their own way in the past did helped the ingathering of the exiles of Judah to the Land of Israel. Our Prayers Are Needed “Kol HaTor” says [1.24] “With our deeds and prayers we shall come to the aid of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Through our exertions with all our might of self-arousal [arousal from below as distinct from arousal from heaven] we will achieve the union of the two messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID, ‘the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah’ [mentioned by Ezekiel 37]. [The two sticks will join together just as Judah and Joseph will join together].
[In Ezekiel 37:16, Ezekiel was told to take one stick, FOR JUDAH. Ezekeil was then told to take ANOTHER STICK, FOR JOSEPH. Ezekiel was told in Ezekiel 37:17 to join the two sticks together. THEY SHALL BECOME ONE IN THINE HAND. The two sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) were to first become one in the hand of Ezekiel. In Ezekiel 37:19 God says that the two sticks SHALL BE ONE IN MINE HAND.] [Ezekiel says that] First the two sticks will become one in your hands and afterwards they will be one in my [God’s] hand.”












[i.e. This means that: First Judah and Joseph should try to join together from below and afterwards God will help them from above].

















On the same theme: “Kol HaTor” emphasizes The Two Sticks (representing Judah and Joseph) Must be Joined Together Through Our Initiative! [2.101] Ezekiel (37) speaks of the stick of Joseph [and Judah and the union of Judah with Joseph]. This concerns the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The Redemption is dependent on the union of the two sticks, the stick of Joseph with the stick of Judah. These are the two Messiahs, the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH and the MESSIAH SON OF DAVID. [It says: “Join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in your hand” (Ezekiel 37;17)].

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17).











The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself
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“Kol HaTor” says [2.17] The guardian angel of Esau will be pulled down by the guardian angel of Joseph (This is also spoken about in the Biblical Book of Obadiah. We will discuss this subject and the Book of Obadiah. Expands Borders of Israel, Wars Against Amalek “Kol HaTor” says [2.36] “Enlarge the place of your tent and let them stretch forth the curtains of your habitations...” (Isaiah 54;2). The commandment to expand the borders [of Israel] is part of the task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH has the duty of waging war against Amalek and of expanding the borders of Israel and of protecting Israel from destruction.

Ingathers the Exiles “Kol HaTor” says [2.40] “His [i.e. Joseph’s] bow abode in strength” (Genesis 49;24). This should be an important principle for us. We have to stand obstinately strong in the holy work of gathering in the exiles which is the task of the first redeemer [i.e. of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]. Purifies the Land of Israel “Kol HaTor” says [2.41] “And Joseph was governor over the land” (Genesis 42;6). This means he will overcome all the forces of impurity. This is one of the great tasks of the First Redeemer [of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]: to extirpate the spirit of impurity from the country by means of settling the Holy Land. When the Holy Land is not settled [with Israelites] a spirit of impurity settles over it. [When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]. Joshua ben Nun Was a Forerunner “Kol HaTor” says [2.44]



“Kol HaTor” says [2.75] The Messiah Son of Joseph arouses not only Israel but also the Peoples of the World to Repent. Jonah the Prophet had the aspect of MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in his generation. His task is, “to rebuke many nations” (Isaiah 2). Turns Defeat Into Victory “Kol HaTor” says [2.91] The characteristic of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is that out of tribulation he brings salvation. The Heavenly Ladder “Kol HaTor” says [2.97] A ladder on the ground and its head reaching to heaven (Genesis 28). This is an aspect of Joseph as is known. What happened to Jacob happened to Joseph. All of his deeds were an arousal from below with an accompanying assistance from heaven. Joseph was the son of Jacob and Rachel and had the characteristics of both Jacob and Rachel. Ingathers Exiles, Rebuilds Jerusalem, Settles the Wilderness “Kol HaTor” says [2.117] The rulership of Joseph overcomes all impurity.

The task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is to remove the spirit of impurity from the Land through the ingathering of exiles, rebuilding Jerusalem, and the planting of the wilderness. Ransoming Captives “Kol HaTor” says [2.118] “And the ransomed of the LORD shall return and come to Zion” (Isaiah 35;10): The task of ransoming captives belongs to the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH who performs it by ingathering the Exiles…The Major Ingathering of the Exiles cannot be less than 600,000…They will come with rejoicing and happiness. Comment: “Kol HaTor” says The Major Ingathering of Exiles cannot be less than 600,000. 600,000 was taken to be a key number. It is interesting to note that when Israel declared its Independence in 1948 the total get lost population in the Land at that time was a bit more than 600,000 which was the key number mentioned by “Kol HaTor” about two hundred years beforehand. Reveals Secrets of the Torah “Kol HaTor” says [122] “And Pharoah called Joseph’s name Zaphenat Paneah” [i.e. Uncover of Secrets] (Genesis 41;45). One of the tasks of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH in each generation is to reveal the secrets of the Torah. Horns of a Unicorn “Kol HaTor” says [131] “His horns are the horns of a unicorn with which he strikes the peoples” (Deuteronomy 33). The main task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is the everlasting war against Amalek. Comment: The horns of a unicorn are linked with the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH.



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It's all in the above writing.......Joseph initiates union with Judah....Judah refuses it........Joseph has no conformation because his brothers can't see him. Joseph encourages himself without help from others. Judah has people seeing him in visions and dreams..."strong and powerful"... has many many conformations because he is not Joseph(if you have many people seeing you then you are not Joseph) he is Judah and get lost require a sign(1 cortinthians 1:22) but greeks seek wisdom. Union of Judah and Joseph is not supposed to happen when they try from below...it is only God from above that brings union to these two as described in Ezekile 37 the two sticks(branches...the branch) of Judah and Joseph.....sleep well friend we are right on track even though you can't see it yet!...it's all in the above writing!


Isaiah 11:13:

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The envy also of Ephraim shall depart, and the adversaries of Judah shall be cut off: Ephraim shall not envy Judah, and Judah shall not vex Ephraim.



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Ezekiel 37:


16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim and for all the house of Israel his companions:

17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

18 And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and nopes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20 And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all.

23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.







What we have is 2 nations/kingdoms/families. There is a representative for each kingdom. One kingdom is the kingshnopedom and the other kingdom is the priestly kingdom. Once they are reunited they will become a royal priesthood kingdom.

The southern kingdom is Judah. The representative for the kingdom of judah is messiah ben david or known as judah which will in the end be the king which we know from 1 chronicles 5:2 will be the chief leader and holds the sceptre.

The northern kingdom is known as the house of jacob...house of joseph or house of Ephraim. The representative for the northern kingdom will be known as jacob...messiah ben joseph..or ephraim which are all 2nd born birthright holders. One representative is the 1st born sceptre holder/king and the other representative is the 2nd born birthright holder which will enable him to become high priest.

The representative of the northern kingdom known as messiah ben joseph will be a forerunner to messiah ben david..therfore elijsah being a forerunner messiah ben joseph and Elijah are one and the same person. What we need to look for is when this Elijah will arrive. Every year on passover the get lost look for the arrival of Elijah and that seems to be a high watch time for Elijah. This being the 70th passover since judah returned to the homeland makes it even a higher possibility.

If Elijah arrives on passover and he arrives BEFORE 'The great and terrrible day of the Lord" we have to find out when the great and terrible day of the lord is. That day is none other than the fall feast Rosh Hashannah as it is know by several name...here are a few things this feast is associated with:

1. The great and terrible day of the Lord
2. The day that no one knows
3. The time of Jacobs trouble
there are many more buy these are the ones we are concerned with right now.

So if Elijah arrives on passover and he is representative of the nation Jacob(northern kingdom) then Elijah is also a Jacob(2nd born birthright holder) and as representative his trouble will have to come on rosh hashannah prior to the nation jacobs trouble on the following rosh hashannah. I say this because we see in Isaiah 52 this servant is extremely disfigured the most likely time for a jacob to become disfigured is on the day that is called "jacobs trouble"(rosh hashannah)

The get lost see the following verse as being messiah ben joseph and not messiah ben david.

Isaiah 52:

13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

14 As many were astonied at thee; his visage was so marred more than any man, and his form more than the sons of men:

15 So shall he sprinkle many nations; the kings shall shut their mouths at him: for that which had not been told them shall they see; and that which they had not heard shall they consider.

So in conclusion this Elijah(forerunner) if he arrives on passover is disfigured as a sign of what is about to become of jacob the nation on the following Rosh Hashannah then he will leave the nation before the next Rosh Hashannah as that will be jacob the nations judgement appointment.



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P.S The problem you have sword is you look for a friend to be your partner...these 2 anointed are a Judah and a Joseph...these two will not be best friend until after the throne room visit...Judah and josephs are at odds with each other so to find your partner don't look for a friend instead look for the one you don't like and then you will find your partner...lol



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You keep coming back so I’ll post something...lol

Why do you keep coming back if you are masculine/feminine. ...firstborn/2 nd born..king/ high priest...Judah/ Joseph...Moses/ Aaron.....Joshua high priest/ zerrubabel.... israel/ Jacob....david/ joseph...etc....how can you not see it takes two anointed to fill these positions...I know why you can’t see it but you can’t til the fullness of the gentiles..lol

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As far a 2 nations or 2 representatives being blind in part...if you read it Paul is only saying the southern kingdom of Judah is blind in part not Israel the northern kingdom. So if Judah/ Israel is the one blind in part then the representative of that southern kingdom as part of that kingdom will be blind in part also...and you have clearly displayed this blindness as you only see one anointed receiving all the blessings just as the get lost/ Judah has the same eyesight as their mother Leah...so 2 israels but only one is blind in part according to Paul...lol





Can you see yet there are two anointed and not just one?...one a king and the other the high priest...probably not but just checking...lol

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Isaiah 11:13:

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Ephraim's jealousy will vanish, and Judah's enemies will be destroyed; Ephraim will not be jealous of Judah, nor Judah hostile toward Ephraim.

The first half has already been fulfilled ......til the second half of the verse is fulfilled...cya on the other side of the throne room.


Those scriptures are amazing....you will have a scripture like be fruitful and multiply and have dominion over everything that moves on earth and there will be a 6000 year gap between the multiply........and the have dominion over everything that moves on earth part......a 15 year gap between ephraim not being jealous and Judah not vexing ephraim. One would read one verse and assume it is all in the same time frame but that isn’t how it works.......the earth had to fill up that the two could have dominion and ephraim would no longer be jealous when he saw he also had inheritance....Judah will stop vexing ephraim after the throne room visit.....those scriptures have time frames and that can be years or thousands of years in the same sentence.

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You need two things to finish the scriptures: A return of the 1st born and 2nd born........a king and separate high priest for dominion during the millennium to bring salvation to the jues and armeghedon gentiles because the bride and tribulation saints are already kings and priests in heaven and will join the earth dwellers after the millennium because nobody who has lived in heaven wants the demotion of living on earth when Jesus already built you a thousand year mansion.....if Jesus’ mansions only are for 7 years and the last tribulation saint maybe a couple days that is a disappointment..... we all know Jesus was a carpenter right.....he can build something that will last more than 7 years....lol..salvation is a test with a higher goal with a higher realm not a test with a higher goal then a demotion and a lower realm ...lol....is Jesus going to lift his bride up just to demote the bride back to the testing ground? The bride/gentiles have already been tested. That doesn’t make sense. It is the jues turn to be tested.

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First tovia needs to understand Jesus never came to earth to be the earthly king and high priest. Jesus came to be the heavenly King and High Priest in the higher melchelzedek kingdom of heaven. The first shall be last and the last shall be first this is why Jesus deals with the gentiles first and then the reunited northern and southern kingdom during the millennium. There are two kingdoms. The heavenly melchelzedek order kingdom of Jesus the bride and the tribulation saints . The second kingdom being the earthly davidic/levitic which messiah Ben David will be king and messiah Ben Joseph having the birthright 1chron 5:2 will qualify to be high priest. On earth God will again be dealing with the reunited northern and southern kingdom and the surviving armeghedon gentiles.....these are the gentiles that will grab the skirt of a NOPE..not the bride or tribulation saint gentiles as they will be living in the melchelzedek order heavenly kingdom.....God doesn’t promote you to the higher realm heavenly kingdom just to demote you again to the lower earthly realm when Jesus already made mansions to live in the heavenly realm

Rev 5 is the verse that confuses everyone. It says: rev 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.. See that word “on” where it says on the earth? The word “on” in the original Greek is the word “epi”. That word has several translations and it can also mean “over” or “above” the earth which is where heaven is.

Let’s keep in mind the millennial kingdom is dealing with the salvation of the reunited northern and southern kingdom of Israel and the surviving armeghedon gentiles. Also Jeremiah and Ezekiel say it will be a davidic/levitic kingdom which means separation of the kingship and the priesthood. How then can Jesus rule on earth in a kingdom that doesn’t allow the combination of the kingship and the priesthood with a single anointed? Furthermore the bride and tribulation saints had to believe in Jesus by faith. If Jesus is on earth for the duration of the millennium then it doesn’t take any faith to believe in Jesus when he is right there on earth reigning in his glory.

This is why Jesus said “my kingdom is not of this earth” and went on to say there is no end to his kingdom”. The davidic/levitic kingdom ends at the end of the millennium when Jesus creates a new heaven and new earth. The earthly kingdom will be the lesser kingdom of the davidic/levitic and heaven will be the higher melchelzedek order kingdom where the bride and trib saints are kings and priests melchelzedek order kingdom. The two anointed or as the Christians know them the two witnesses will be in charge of the millennium as the jues time after time tell God they want an earthly king so he will send them David to be king on earth. The other anointed will be in charge of the priesthood.

The animal sacrifice isn’t to remove sin as only Jesus can do that. The reason for the animal sacrifice is because God stated it would last as long as the sun and moon covenant in Jeremiah 33 and the age of grace was just a 2000 year pause button. Only after the millennium is the sun and moon removed according to rev 22. Also there will still be unintentional sin on earth and the shekina glory will be dwelling in the temple therefore the animal sacrifice “covers sin”....it doesn’t remove it, it just covers it. The law will be combine with faith in Jesus because Satan will be bound with the false prophet and the beast for 1000 years and the people will be able to follow the law for holiness.


Jesus is a carpenter he didn’t go build mansions to only last 7 years and for the last tribulation saint who gets to heaven 5 minutes before Jesus and the saints head back to earth to. bind Satan the false prophet and the beast. The last trib saint gets to heaven and Jesus says there the mansion I built you....let’s go we are going to live back on earth....lol. This earth is the testing ground to see who will become kings and priests....Jesus isn’t going to have you go to the higher realm of heaven only to return to the lower realm of earth.....the earth during the millennium is to see who will become kings and priests in the new earth Jesus will create after the millennium

The goal of the 70th week is to reunite the northern kingdom of Israel with the southern kingdom of Israel/Judah. Once this is accomplished the two anointed will lead the people like a Moses and Aaron type leadership. Then the new goal will be to unite the southern kingdom of earth with the northern kingdom of heaven

In the new heaven and new earth the two anointed will sit on the left and right of Jesus as an eternal reminder of the former davidic/levitic kingdom and the former earth.

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notice Isaiah keeps saying over and over “Jacob AND Israel” The reason it does that is because Jacob was a 2nd born whose name was changed to Israel but Israel is the firstborn. So it says Jacob and Israel because it is really saying my firstborn Israel and my second born Jacob. The dividing of the 2 kingdoms of Israel is the same story as the 2nd born Eve coming forth from 1st born Adam. Which kingdom is Israel? Both kingdoms are Israel only one is the firstborn and the other is the second born just like the story of Adam and Eve. Which one is Adam? They are both Adam but when separated Eve became the second born

Once Israel the firstborn is reunited with Jacob the 2nd born whose name is changed to Israel they both will be called Israel as they will become one just as the feminine takes on the masculines name when joined in marriage

Once we see the story is about the reunification of the 1st born and second born it is much easier to see the Jues are the firstborn who will have a kingdom on earth during the millennium. So we just look for the Jacob /2nd born which will be those dwelling in the northern kingdom of the melchelzedek order kingdom of heaven. If one can see the pattern then it is easy to see the kingdom of earth will join with the kingdom of heaven and the 1st born and the 2nd born will reunite and in the reunification/marriage both will be called Israel as the feminine 2nd born takes on the masculine 1st borns name in a marriage.

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The trinity = The Father being the mind of God .....Jesus being the body of God ....the Holy Spirit being the spirit of God......hence let us make man in our image. Man has a body a mind and a spirit......you can see a body. You can understand what the mind is thinking by the body conveying what the mind is thinking and you can feel ones spirit by the actions of their body....happy...sad...angry...etc are expressed thru the body. You can’t see the mind or the spirit but you can see the body just like you can’t see the Father (the mind)or the Holy Spirit(spirit) but you can see and feel them through Jesus(the body of God)
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How how how do you not see this is the broken brotherhood of the 1st born and 2nd born struggle through the volume of the scriptures? Are you so power hungry that you don’t understand earth has to be less than heaven and the earthly davidic/levitic priesthood is the separation of the two offices which means there has to be two anointed...one a king and the other the high priest. Believe me messiah Ben Joseph /Elijah the birthright holder isn’t going to receive the gad blessing which is no inheritance when the other anointed is inheriting a dominion inheritance of the kingship blessing If you are blinded to seeing your other anointed then you don’t need to see him because you will assume both positions and make earth equal with heaven ....what the heck.....Jesus doesn’t need to destroy this earth and create a new one...this earth is already melchelzedek order according to the single anointed David ....lol....your scales are thick friend.....read what the scriptures say not what you want them to say...... firstborns never like that the second borns blessings include the birthright this is what causes the division. Firstborns can’t get over the birthright going to the 2nd born. An Adam the firstborn of creation will say I’m not the firstborn of creation Jesus is and Eve is the 3rd born .....lol ....Adam and Eve are the 1st and 2nd born of those who have beginning of days....which is davidic/levitic kingdom......Jesus is firstborn melchelzedek order with no beginning of days where he can be King And High Priest in the melchelzedek kingdom of heaven. Stop trying to be 2nd born Adam...you are the lesser earthly kingdom ruler ship where you need a high priest partner...you are firstborn with the Judah sceptre/kingship blessing....the other anointed is the second born Joseph birthright blessing which qualifies him for the high priest position.....how hard is that to see? Impossible for you apparently until the fullness of the gentiles/throne room visit . The scriptures are about the division of the firstborn and second born then reunification but you want to make it about 2nd born Adam and 3rd born Eve when the volume of the book is about the first born and second born...but you don”t see it or are blinded so we wait for the throne room decision.

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Grapes harvested in the 4th NOPE month...new wine in 5th month

24 minutes in how long was Jesus on earth 49 days


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If you don’t spend 5 minutes on what the 12 sons blessings are then spend 2 minutes and find the two highest blessings because this is what the two anointed need to complete their mission.......you give them a judah and a gad or a Joseph and a gad blessings then you are either missing the Judah kingship or the Joseph birthright allowing him to be high priest on earth....gad doesn’t work for their mission....unless of course you want to be gad sword and see what you can do with that blessing....lol...drink the cup of Jesus and receive the gad blessing....fair compensation if you ask you...lol

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Adam and Eve ...1st born and 2nd born. Judah receives the 1st born blessing of the sceptre/kingship and Joseph receives the 2nd born blessing blessing of the birthright/priesthood....is that even a mystery that it is talking about the blessings of the two anointed in the end times? That’s like kindergarten stuff right?.....or not...it depends on who you are.


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Jeremiah and ezekiel tell us the millennial kingdom on earth will be davidic/levitic which means separation of the kingship and the priesthood. When the theory in the video has David as king also being the high priest it turns the kingdom into a melchelzedek kingdom . That’s how we know David can’t be king and high priest on earth during the millennium because the kingdom is davidic/levitic dealing with the salvation of the jues as the bride will reign from heaven with Jesus in his heavenly melchelzedek kingdom where it is permissible to be kings and priests combined
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David reincarnates as a descendant of Joseph/Ephraim who inherited the priesthood of Melchizedek from Potipherah - the father-in-law of Joseph and priest of On. The priestly functions of the prince in Ezekiel is Melchizedekian and not Levitical, which is why there are significant differences between the 2.
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Not according to Jeremiah 33 it says the priesthood will be levitic:

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.


This earth is the testing ground to see if you will become melchelzedek order kings and priests in the next realm. The Christians will finish their testing when the age of grace ends and they go to the next realm which is heaven where they can be kings and priests because it is a melchelzedek order kingdom. You have to remember earth is a lesser shadow of heaven so if heaven is the combination of the kingship and priesthood melchelzedek order kingdom then earth has to be the lesser davidic/levitic kingdom which is separation of the kingship and the priesthood that is why here are two anointed and not just one..

The millennial kingdom is the jues turn to have faith in Jesus but because Satan/his demons , the false prophet. and the beast are all bound in the bottomless pit for the 1000 year millennium the people on earth will be able to follow the law for holiness therefore the millennium will be faith in Jesus for salvation and the law for holiness as the shekina glory will be dwelling on earth back in the rebuilt temple. The test will be to see who has faith in Jesus just as it was for the Christians.....and notice when Jesus comes back at the end of the millennium he creates a new earth/realm which will be melchelzedek order kingdom for all because this earth was just the testing ground to see who becomes melchelzedek order kingdom residents. The bride and tribulation saints will come down to the new earth after the millennium and join with those who dwelt on earth during the millennium who had faith in Jesus and will all live together as melchelzedek order kings and priest in the new earth Jesus creates.
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The Levitical priests will serve under the Melchizedek priesthood just like Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek.
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Jeremiah and ezekiel tell us the millennial kingdom on earth will be davidic/levitic which means separation of the kingship and the priesthood. When the theory in the video has David as king also being the high priest it turns the kingdom into a melchelzedek kingdom . That’s how we know David can’t be king and high priest on earth during the millennium because the kingdom is davidic/levitic dealing with the salvation of the jues as the bride will reign from heaven with Jesus in his heavenly melchelzedek kingdom where it is permissible to be kings and priests combined
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David reincarnates as a descendant of Joseph/Ephraim who inherited the priesthood of Melchizedek from Potipherah - the father-in-law of Joseph and priest of On. The priestly functions of the prince in Ezekiel is Melchizedekian and not Levitical, which is why there are significant differences between the 2.
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Not according to Jeremiah 33 it says the priesthood will be levitic:

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

18 Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.

19 And the word of the Lord came unto Jeremiah, saying,

20 Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season;

21 Then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.

22 As the host of heaven cannot be numbered, neither the sand of the sea measured: so will I multiply the seed of David my servant, and the Levites that minister unto me.


This earth is the testing ground to see if you will become melchelzedek order kings and priests in the next realm. The Christians will finish their testing when the age of grace ends and they go to the next realm which is heaven where they can be kings and priests because it is a melchelzedek order kingdom. You have to remember earth is a lesser shadow of heaven so if heaven is the combination of the kingship and priesthood melchelzedek order kingdom then earth has to be the lesser davidic/levitic kingdom which is separation of the kingship and the priesthood that is why here are two anointed and not just one..

The millennial kingdom is the jues turn to have faith in Jesus but because Satan/his demons , the false prophet. and the beast are all bound in the bottomless pit for the 1000 year millennium the people on earth will be able to follow the law for holiness therefore the millennium will be faith in Jesus for salvation and the law for holiness as the shekina glory will be dwelling on earth back in the rebuilt temple. The test will be to see who has faith in Jesus just as it was for the Christians.....and notice when Jesus comes back at the end of the millennium he creates a new earth/realm which will be melchelzedek order kingdom for all because this earth was just the testing ground to see who becomes melchelzedek order kingdom residents. The bride and tribulation saints will come down to the new earth after the millennium and join with those who dwelt on earth during the millennium who had faith in Jesus and will all live together as melchelzedek order kings and priest in the new earth Jesus creates.
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The Levitical priests will serve under the Melchizedek priesthood just like Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek.
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Levitic and melchelzedek are two different priesthood’s....levitic is earthly and melchelzedek is heavenly. You can’t mix kingdoms as earthly has to be less than the heavenly otherwise you have no goal to reach for passing the testing. Just as Christians won’t be kings and priests until they reach heaven as the scriptures says “we will be like him when we see him”

1 John 3:2:

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Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

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