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Sol Neman
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61159044 United States 08/05/2014 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, trying to have a conversation with the modern person frustrating. Wherein the modern person is so used to a one sided instant on/off conversation (usually one sided), because they are used to interacting with machines or information sharing via machines. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26466108 United States 08/05/2014 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Face to face conversation is almost obsolete as well. Most people, it seems like, have become used to not having to think...the machines do the reasoning/puzzle solving for them (for the most part). Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61159044 So, trying to have a conversation with the modern person frustrating. Wherein the modern person is so used to a one sided instant on/off conversation (usually one sided), because they are used to interacting with machines or information sharing via machines. .......fragmentation of intellectual concepts as well as mode of internet communications also contributes to this as well as the seemingly ubiquitous ADD......... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 12118332 United States 08/05/2014 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | .....perhaps OP didnt get the right wing respondents he was expecting ???.......... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26466108 Perhaps I've been at work and unable to look at the responses until now. I wasn't looking to make this into a right vs left conversation. I thought the article itself had some valid points that could lead to civil discourse. I do not agree with everything that was stated in that article and I never made it out to sound like I did. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 12118332 United States 08/05/2014 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not obsolete, but underutilized. Need a phone number? Someone posed a tough question? Instead of thinking anymore, everyone just jams their face into their phone. Look around in any restaurant and you'll see most people looking down at that shiny screen. They are making us socially and cognitively retarded. Quoting: Thistle I can agree with that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39847187 United States 08/05/2014 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can think, as long as your thinking is aligned with either the left or the right herds. And do not dare to express thoughts that are not derived from popular public opinion. Fact is, whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of you are incapable of thinking for yourselves. You are members of a pack or herd of likeminded individuals. You identify yourself with one group or another and adopt their thinking and mindset. Which is why we are doomed. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 12118332 United States 08/05/2014 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can think, as long as your thinking is aligned with either the left or the right herds. And do not dare to express thoughts that are not derived from popular public opinion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39847187 Fact is, whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of you are incapable of thinking for yourselves. You are members of a pack or herd of likeminded individuals. You identify yourself with one group or another and adopt their thinking and mindset. Which is why we are doomed. I don't identify with any group. I don't agree with most if not all 'popular opinions' out there. The whole left vs right dichotomy is nothing more than an illusion of choice and gives people safe haven to not think for themselves. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 39847187 United States 08/05/2014 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can think, as long as your thinking is aligned with either the left or the right herds. And do not dare to express thoughts that are not derived from popular public opinion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39847187 Fact is, whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of you are incapable of thinking for yourselves. You are members of a pack or herd of likeminded individuals. You identify yourself with one group or another and adopt their thinking and mindset. Which is why we are doomed. I don't identify with any group. I don't agree with most if not all 'popular opinions' out there. The whole left vs right dichotomy is nothing more than an illusion of choice and gives people safe haven to not think for themselves. Good, denial is a good first step toward understanding how and why YOU think the way you do. Believe it or not, the power of group influence on a person is extremely easy to see by simply reading their thoughts posted online, or expressed verbally. Sol, only a very small number of humans are immune to these earthy influences... Are you saying you are one of them? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 12118332 United States 08/05/2014 05:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can think, as long as your thinking is aligned with either the left or the right herds. And do not dare to express thoughts that are not derived from popular public opinion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39847187 Fact is, whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of you are incapable of thinking for yourselves. You are members of a pack or herd of likeminded individuals. You identify yourself with one group or another and adopt their thinking and mindset. Which is why we are doomed. I don't identify with any group. I don't agree with most if not all 'popular opinions' out there. The whole left vs right dichotomy is nothing more than an illusion of choice and gives people safe haven to not think for themselves. Good, denial is a good first step toward understanding how and why YOU think the way you do. Believe it or not, the power of group influence on a person is extremely easy to see by simply reading their thoughts posted online, or expressed verbally. Sol, only a very small number of humans are immune to these earthy influences... Are you saying you are one of them? Manipulation is very covert on so many different levels. We are manipulated each and every day from multiple sources and a majority of the time you will not notice it unless you are looking for it and know what to look for. Yes, I can read responses or listen to what a person is saying and easily see the manipulation. I try very hard to avoid being influenced myself and look at everything as some form of manipulation from one group or another. I like to think that I am immune, but there are groups out there that are experts doing what they do to achieve the ends they desire. I have most definitely caught myself being swayed one direction or another before and work diligently to fight it. However, I am human and to say I am not, have not, or will not be swayed is not something I cannot say firmly. I am not that arrogant. I am still growing and seeing things more clearly each and every day. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39847187 United States 08/05/2014 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can think, as long as your thinking is aligned with either the left or the right herds. And do not dare to express thoughts that are not derived from popular public opinion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39847187 Fact is, whether you believe it or not, the vast majority of you are incapable of thinking for yourselves. You are members of a pack or herd of likeminded individuals. You identify yourself with one group or another and adopt their thinking and mindset. Which is why we are doomed. I don't identify with any group. I don't agree with most if not all 'popular opinions' out there. The whole left vs right dichotomy is nothing more than an illusion of choice and gives people safe haven to not think for themselves. Good, denial is a good first step toward understanding how and why YOU think the way you do. Believe it or not, the power of group influence on a person is extremely easy to see by simply reading their thoughts posted online, or expressed verbally. Sol, only a very small number of humans are immune to these earthy influences... Are you saying you are one of them? Manipulation is very covert on so many different levels. We are manipulated each and every day from multiple sources and a majority of the time you will not notice it unless you are looking for it and know what to look for. Yes, I can read responses or listen to what a person is saying and easily see the manipulation. I try very hard to avoid being influenced myself and look at everything as some form of manipulation from one group or another. I like to think that I am immune, but there are groups out there that are experts doing what they do to achieve the ends they desire. I have most definitely caught myself being swayed one direction or another before and work diligently to fight it. However, I am human and to say I am not, have not, or will not be swayed is not something I cannot say firmly. I am not that arrogant. I am still growing and seeing things more clearly each and every day. Excellent response. Don't be frightened, if one day you are approached, and offered an invitation, and an important choice. :P |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61325117 United Kingdom 08/07/2014 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thomas Sowell, the author of this short article, is widely acknowledged as a foremost academic thinker and social philosopher. This piece just got picked up by WND. Would it read any different if you read it on From the Wilderness or Veterans Today or WaPo? If so then you've had your head fucked about with. Dr Sowell has some greats points there. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57599206 United States 08/07/2014 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thinking isn't obsolete, people are still just adjusting to the volume of info and the speed at which it's available to access... [link to realtruth.org] Quoting: TuKikO The Impact Nicholas Carr wrote an article in The Atlantic magazine that perhaps best summarizes what the Internet is doing to its users: “Over the past few years I’ve had an uncomfortable sense that someone, or something, has been tinkering with my brain, remapping the neural circuitry, reprogramming the memory. My mind isn’t going—so far as I can tell—but it’s changing. I’m not thinking the way I used to think. I can feel it most strongly when I’m reading. Quoting: realtruth.org linkImmersing myself in a book or a lengthy article used to be easy. My mind would get caught up in the narrative or the turns of the argument, and I’d spend hours strolling through long stretches of prose. That’s rarely the case anymore. Now my concentration often starts to drift after two or three pages. I get fidgety, lose the thread, begin looking for something else to do. I feel as if I’m always dragging my wayward brain back to the text. The deep reading that used to come naturally has become a struggle. “I think I know what’s going on. For more than a decade now, I’ve been spending a lot of time online, searching and surfing and sometimes adding to the great databases of the Internet. The Web has been a godsend to me as a writer. Research that once required days in the stacks or periodical rooms of libraries can now be done in minutes. A few Google searches, some quick clicks on hyperlinks, and I’ve got the telltale fact or pithy quote I was after. Even when I’m not working, I’m as likely as not to be foraging in the Web’s info-thickets’ reading and writing e-mails, scanning headlines and blog posts, watching videos and listening to podcasts, or just tripping from link to link to link.” “For me, as for others, the Net is becoming a universal medium, the conduit for most of the information that flows through my eyes and ears and into my mind…And what the Net seems to be doing is chipping away my capacity for concentration and contemplation. My mind now expects to take in information the way the Net distributes it: in a swiftly moving stream of particles. Once I was a scuba diver in the sea of words. Now I zip along the surface like a guy on a Jet Ski” (emphasis ours). The last sentence is possibly the best analogy to explain how people read online. Mr. Carr goes on to explain that “the result is to scatter our attention and diffuse our concentration.” He also quotes playwright Richard Foreman, who said, “We are the pancake people…spread wide and thin as we connect with that vast network of information access by the mere touch of a button.” :pancake: |
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Sol Neman
(OP) User ID: 51365905 United States 08/07/2014 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thinking isn't obsolete, people are still just adjusting to the volume of info and the speed at which it's available to access... Quoting: ArunaLuna [link to realtruth.org] Quoting: TuKikO The Impact Nicholas Carr wrote an article in The Atlantic magazine that perhaps best summarizes what the Internet is doing to its users: “Over the past few years I’ve had an uncomfortable sense that someone, or something, has been tinkering with my brain, remapping the neural circuitry, reprogramming the memory. My mind isn’t going—so far as I can tell—but it’s changing. I’m not thinking the way I used to think. I can feel it most strongly when I’m reading. Quoting: realtruth.org linkImmersing myself in a book or a lengthy article used to be easy. My mind would get caught up in the narrative or the turns of the argument, and I’d spend hours strolling through long stretches of prose. That’s rarely the case anymore. Now my concentration often starts to drift after two or three pages. I get fidgety, lose the thread, begin looking for something else to do. I feel as if I’m always dragging my wayward brain back to the text. The deep reading that used to come naturally has become a struggle. “I think I know what’s going on. For more than a decade now, I’ve been spending a lot of time online, searching and surfing and sometimes adding to the great databases of the Internet. The Web has been a godsend to me as a writer. Research that once required days in the stacks or periodical rooms of libraries can now be done in minutes. A few Google searches, some quick clicks on hyperlinks, and I’ve got the telltale fact or pithy quote I was after. Even when I’m not working, I’m as likely as not to be foraging in the Web’s info-thickets’ reading and writing e-mails, scanning headlines and blog posts, watching videos and listening to podcasts, or just tripping from link to link to link.” “For me, as for others, the Net is becoming a universal medium, the conduit for most of the information that flows through my eyes and ears and into my mind…And what the Net seems to be doing is chipping away my capacity for concentration and contemplation. My mind now expects to take in information the way the Net distributes it: in a swiftly moving stream of particles. Once I was a scuba diver in the sea of words. Now I zip along the surface like a guy on a Jet Ski” (emphasis ours). The last sentence is possibly the best analogy to explain how people read online. Mr. Carr goes on to explain that “the result is to scatter our attention and diffuse our concentration.” He also quotes playwright Richard Foreman, who said, “We are the pancake people…spread wide and thin as we connect with that vast network of information access by the mere touch of a button.” That's a good point. I remember reading that article a while back. Thanks for the reminder. Educate and inform the whole mass of the people...They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty ~ Thomas Jefferson |
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