Godlike Productions - Discussion Forum
Users Online Now: 1,948 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 788,962
Pageviews Today: 1,389,876Threads Today: 455Posts Today: 9,552
01:51 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Ebola - a simple matter of logic

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 53990064
United Kingdom
08/08/2014 08:31 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Ebola - a simple matter of logic
Consider these points:

- Viruses live to reproduce and spread. They will do this until they either exhaust the herd of available hosts. At that point they burn themselves out.

- The size of the herd available to viruses can be controlled using quarantines or vaccines.

- Quarantine is simply the process of limited the available herd of hosts. The ease of creating a quarantine depends very much on the characteristics of the virus. For viruses like HIV it is extremely easy as it is not very contagious (transfer of blood or sexual fluids). Viruses like flu are more challenging because they are very contagious, but vaccines are often available and because they have a very low mortality rate it is not such a big deal if people get them. Good sanitation and hygiene can also be useful barriers to create effective quarantines for many viruses.

- The longer the incubation period of a virus, the harder it is to create an effective quarantine.

I think we can all agree on this, so far, right?

Okay, so now we come to Ebola:

- There is no vaccine, so that can't be used to limit the herd.

- It appears that this strain, at least, is extremely contagious.

- It has a very long, 21 day, incubation.

Quite obviously containment in the original outbreak areas has failed, and quite obviously it is impossible to effectively physically quarantine places now that the virus has already been spread internationally. We could seal the borders, but it would be useless as there are almost certainly infected people, in incubation, all over the planet.


So, this is my point; any virus only gets beaten because of the herd of potential hosts being limited. Whether that is through physical quarantine measures (including hygiene barriers), vaccines, or because the virus isn't very contagious so it can't spread quick enough before its hosts succumb or beat it.

With Ebola, non of these retarding factors are in play. So logic dictates that it will keep spreading until it has used up all of the available herd. Or am I missing something?


ps. as for mutations, sure it will mutate, but will it mutate quickly into a benign form if it is doing just fine (from a virus' point-of-view) as it is?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 61056835
United States
08/08/2014 08:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ebola - a simple matter of logic
You are missing something, as bad as you made it sound, it's worse than that:

I would appreciate your thoughts on an apparent fact that I believe makes Ebola an ELE.

Apparently, if you survive Ebola, your antibodies don't protect you from being infected again.

"Vaccine. None. As with exposure to other filoviruses, exposure to Ebola does not confer subsequent immunity. The antibody response in convalescent patients does not neutralize or protect against subsequent infection by Ebola virus. Researchers are now studying genetic immunization approaches."
[link to www.tarakharper.com]

If this is absolutely true and it happens repeatedly in perpetuity, the only ones who will survive will be those that head to the DUMBs now. They'll have to lock the doors and never let anyone in again.

That's what I think we're facing.

Thread: A fact that could make Ebola an ELE?
TruthNow88

User ID: 59148062
Canada
08/08/2014 08:51 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ebola - a simple matter of logic
You are missing something, as bad as you made it sound, it's worse than that:

I would appreciate your thoughts on an apparent fact that I believe makes Ebola an ELE.

Apparently, if you survive Ebola, your antibodies don't protect you from being infected again.

"Vaccine. None. As with exposure to other filoviruses, exposure to Ebola does not confer subsequent immunity. The antibody response in convalescent patients does not neutralize or protect against subsequent infection by Ebola virus. Researchers are now studying genetic immunization approaches."
[link to www.tarakharper.com]

If this is absolutely true and it happens repeatedly in perpetuity, the only ones who will survive will be those that head to the DUMBs now. They'll have to lock the doors and never let anyone in again.

That's what I think we're facing.

Thread: A fact that could make Ebola an ELE?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61056835


Correct, but it wont be an ELE.

This is just phase 1 of a multi-phase plan, it will happen in waves (the virus will kill some, the vaccine will kill some (will more then likely make most sterile), the quarantine/enforcement will disappear some more, the virus will circle back (as we build no immunity to Ebola which makes it a fairly rare virus, perpetual pandemic unless the whole population agree to global coordinated vaccination), and so on. This is a 100 year agenda, Agenda 21 (the first 50 to destroy what is there, the last 50 to rebuild in their vision).
 Quoting: TruthNow88

"Fuck the American regime change policy... Pardon me... I mean fuck our gift of democracy!"
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
[link to soundcloud.com (secure)]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 61056835
United States
08/08/2014 08:56 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Ebola - a simple matter of logic
You are missing something, as bad as you made it sound, it's worse than that:

I would appreciate your thoughts on an apparent fact that I believe makes Ebola an ELE.

Apparently, if you survive Ebola, your antibodies don't protect you from being infected again.

"Vaccine. None. As with exposure to other filoviruses, exposure to Ebola does not confer subsequent immunity. The antibody response in convalescent patients does not neutralize or protect against subsequent infection by Ebola virus. Researchers are now studying genetic immunization approaches."
[link to www.tarakharper.com]

If this is absolutely true and it happens repeatedly in perpetuity, the only ones who will survive will be those that head to the DUMBs now. They'll have to lock the doors and never let anyone in again.

That's what I think we're facing.

Thread: A fact that could make Ebola an ELE?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61056835


Correct, but it wont be an ELE.

This is just phase 1 of a multi-phase plan, it will happen in waves (the virus will kill some, the vaccine will kill some (will more then likely make most sterile), the quarantine/enforcement will disappear some more, the virus will circle back (as we build no immunity to Ebola which makes it a fairly rare virus, perpetual pandemic unless the whole population agree to global coordinated vaccination), and so on. This is a 100 year agenda, Agenda 21 (the first 50 to destroy what is there, the last 50 to rebuild in their vision).
 Quoting: TruthNow88

 Quoting: TruthNow88


Please re-read these sentences:

Vaccine. None. As with exposure to other filoviruses, exposure to Ebola does not confer subsequent immunity.

If people repeatedly get sick and have to use the imaginary vaccine you're assuming will exist repeatedly, the system will run out of any vaccine.

You're just assuming there's a vaccine now, there's no proof for that yet.





GLP