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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61390429 United Kingdom 08/09/2014 08:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- You can't keep picking and choosing to promote your weirdo agenda. You discount almost everything else that enables rockets to work in space you dolt! Please learn basic physics and try again. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44901954 United States 08/09/2014 08:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- I'd say you just proved ignorance is everywhere. The experament you need to try is sit in a wheeled chair with a large book in your hands and with your feet off the floor throw the book away from you and see if you don't roll in the opposite direction. That's early elementary science when and where I grew up. |
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(OP) User ID: 61387630 Italy 08/09/2014 08:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'd say you just proved ignorance is everywhere. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44901954 The experament you need to try is sit in a wheeled chair with a large book in your hands and with your feet off the floor throw the book away from you and see if you don't roll in the opposite direction. That's early elementary science when and where I grew up. Are you serious? :spitlol: Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 08/09/2014 08:54 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16341184 United Kingdom 08/09/2014 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- I think if you have a vehicle it has to push against something. Cars push against the road, aeroplanes push against the air. There is nothing to push against in space so NASA would have to bring there own stuff with them to push against, I think. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60583524 United States 08/09/2014 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- ...NASA would have to bring there own stuff with them to push against, I think. Close. Rockets work by forcefully expelling gas, which is created by burning liqud or solid fuels. So yes, nasa sorta brought their own. The expelled gases push the rocket forward because of the 'equal and opposite reaction'. This force (expelled gas) acts upon the mass (the rocket) regardless, a reference mass (air, water, solids) is not required for this law to apply. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61171717 Sweden 08/09/2014 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- What if I told you that you're entitled to draw whichever conclusions you like, however stupid they are? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 22197206 United States 08/09/2014 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- I think if you have a vehicle it has to push against something. Cars push against the road, aeroplanes push against the air. There is nothing to push against in space so NASA would have to bring there own stuff with them to push against, I think. And you would be correct. It's called a nozzle. [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
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(OP) User ID: 61387630 Italy 08/09/2014 09:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Close. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60583524 Rockets work by forcefully expelling gas, which is created by burning liqud or solid fuels. So yes, nasa sorta brought their own. The expelled gases push the rocket forward because of the 'equal and opposite reaction'. This force (expelled gas) acts upon the mass (the rocket) regardless, a reference mass (air, water, solids) is not required for this law to apply. Do you really think that baloon below will moves into space? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] ---------- Last Edited by IWASTHERE on 08/09/2014 09:24 AM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60275215 United States 08/09/2014 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- I think if you have a vehicle it has to push against something. Cars push against the road, aeroplanes push against the air. There is nothing to push against in space so NASA would have to bring there own stuff with them to push against, I think. Idiots all in the UK it seems. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60583524 United States 08/09/2014 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Close. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60583524 Rockets work by forcefully expelling gas, which is created by burning liqud or solid fuels. So yes, nasa sorta brought their own. The expelled gases push the rocket forward because of the 'equal and opposite reaction'. This force (expelled gas) acts upon the mass (the rocket) regardless, a reference mass (air, water, solids) is not required for this law to apply. Do you really think that baloon below will moves into space? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] ---------- I know it will. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 16341184 United Kingdom 08/09/2014 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- ...NASA would have to bring there own stuff with them to push against, I think. Close. Rockets work by forcefully expelling gas, which is created by burning liqud or solid fuels. So yes, nasa sorta brought their own. The expelled gases push the rocket forward because of the 'equal and opposite reaction'. This force (expelled gas) acts upon the mass (the rocket) regardless, a reference mass (air, water, solids) is not required for this law to apply. Like a standard kilogram you mean? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16341184 United Kingdom 08/09/2014 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- I think if you have a vehicle it has to push against something. Cars push against the road, aeroplanes push against the air. There is nothing to push against in space so NASA would have to bring there own stuff with them to push against, I think. Idiots all in the UK it seems. Hey! don't forget Italy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16341184 United Kingdom 08/09/2014 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- I think if you have a vehicle it has to push against something. Cars push against the road, aeroplanes push against the air. There is nothing to push against in space so NASA would have to bring there own stuff with them to push against, I think. And you would be correct. It's called a nozzle. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Cars don't push against their wheels, they push against the road. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61322878 United Kingdom 08/09/2014 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- Been covered here Thread: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 55812573 United States 08/09/2014 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "There are two ways to do this, first you can pack oxygen in the form of LOX or liquid oxygen. You then feed LOX with your fuel in the rocket engine and you have combustion. This can be difficult as LOX must remain under pressure, and can get very cold." "The second and sneakier way is to carry chemically bound oxygen. This is a stable compound which has oxygen as part of its chemical formula. We call these chemicals "oxidants." Examples are Potassium Permanganate KMnO4, Hydrogen Peroxide H2O2, and Nitric Acid HNO3. When kept by themselves, they are fairly easy to handle. When mixed with other compounds, violent reactions can occur." [link to www.newton.dep.anl.gov] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 57424325 United States 08/09/2014 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- Always holds true.... Italians are imbeciles. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16341184 United Kingdom 08/09/2014 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- Always holds true.... Italians are imbeciles. Meanwhile, in America.... [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61365278 Spain 08/09/2014 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @OP A vacuum environment does not stop action/reaction from happening. Only a tiny fraction of a rockets thrust is a result of pushing against the air, in fact that extra push is less than the friction incident upon the nose due to the air. So a rocket is actually more efficient in space. The bulk of the rockets thrust is just a result of throwing mass out the back at high speed. The total integrated kinetic energy of the complete system (rocket and exhaust) remains zero, the rocket exhaust speeding one way, the rocket body the other. An ion thruster uses this effect also, only it throws a tiny mass out at very high speed. To understand it conceptually imagine you are in free space clinging onto an asteroid the size of a car. Now you stand up and jump as hard as you can, you would depart the asteroid and move in one direction, but the asteroid would start moving a little in the opposite direction. Now imagine you are in space clucthing a fist sized rock, you throw it as hard as you can, the rock flies forward but you fly backward a little. If the rock is the same mass as you then you both fly in opposite directions at equal velocities. WORD! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 61365278 Spain 08/09/2014 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reason why they can. Its the current physycs, see third Newtow's law. Quoting: IWASTHERE :truestory: NOW the question is: 1 - Did they use something else about the engine type? 2 - Does the out space really is a vacuum environment? 3 - Are there any other question about that? --------- I think if you have a vehicle it has to push against something. Cars push against the road, aeroplanes push against the air. There is nothing to push against in space so NASA would have to bring there own stuff with them to push against, I think. And you would be correct. It's called a nozzle. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Indeed, a parabolic nozzle ensure the exhausts last contact with the rocket is dead in line with the rockets body. Without the nozzle lots of radial force is generated which is cancelled and wasted. |