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Anonymous Coward User ID: 60916731 Netherlands 08/24/2014 03:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reuters article says one tested positive for Sudanese strain and the other had a Zaire Sudan mix. Quoting: Fafhrd Huh, where did you see that? It isn't in the article the OP linked to. Copy following sentence in google for source: "Numbi said that one of the two cases that tested positive was for the Sudanese strain of the disease, while the other was a mixture between the Sudanese and the Zaire strain". |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60916731 Netherlands 08/24/2014 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's another interesting quote from the same guy: ""This epidemic has nothing to do with the one in West Africa," Numbi said." Source: [link to abcnews.go.com] Could we be looking at 2 separate ebola outbreaks at the same time? Would be a first time in history. This quote + the quote posted a few minutes ago about the 2 different strains makes this plausible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34275404 United States 08/24/2014 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mumbai too. Ebola virus suspect quarantined in Mumbai hospital [link to timesofindia.feedsportal.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1427108 08/24/2014 03:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ebola Kills 13 in Congo Outbreak Separate From W. Africa [link to www.bloomberg.com] Now, this is doom, not a volcano spitting out some ashes and stones! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59116605 United States 08/24/2014 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's another interesting quote from the same guy: ""This epidemic has nothing to do with the one in West Africa," Numbi said." Source: [link to abcnews.go.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60916731 Could we be looking at 2 separate ebola outbreaks at the same time? Would be a first time in history. This quote + the quote posted a few minutes ago about the 2 different strains makes this plausible. I think it would be THREE different outbreaks simultaneously: 1. Sudanese strain 2. Zaire strain 3. A mixture between the Sudanese and the Zaire strain |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61818005 South Africa 08/24/2014 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mumbai too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34275404 Ebola virus suspect quarantined in Mumbai hospital [link to timesofindia.feedsportal.com] holy shit, if this turns out to be postive it will show how easily the virus could spread around the world :/ in big dudu |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34275404 United States 08/24/2014 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mumbai too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34275404 Ebola virus suspect quarantined in Mumbai hospital [link to timesofindia.feedsportal.com] holy shit, if this turns out to be postive it will show how easily the virus could spread around the world :/ in big dudu So the some of the people on his plane may have it too. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24053524 Canada 08/24/2014 03:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something very fundamental has changed in the forest animals. The virus' are mixing, they don't kill their hosts as fast, and they aren't quite as lethal when they do infect. The is just the gift that's going to keep on giving. I predict that Africa becomes uninhabitable in a year. If you go there, you die. |
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User ID: 61790121 United States 08/24/2014 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I predict that Africa becomes uninhabitable in a year. If you go there, you die. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24053524 The cradle of humanity is also its graveyard. That’s the thing about progress; all the word means is “continued movement in the same direction.” If the direction was a bad idea to start with, or if it’s passed the point at which it still made sense, continuing to trudge blindly onward into the gathering dark may not be the best idea in the world. Break out of that mental straitjacket, and the range of possible futures broadens out immeasurably. John Michael Greer |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 41941507 United States 08/24/2014 03:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's another interesting quote from the same guy: ""This epidemic has nothing to do with the one in West Africa," Numbi said." Source: [link to abcnews.go.com] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 60916731 Could we be looking at 2 separate ebola outbreaks at the same time? Would be a first time in history. This quote + the quote posted a few minutes ago about the 2 different strains makes this plausible. I think it would be THREE different outbreaks simultaneously: 1. Sudanese strain 2. Zaire strain 3. A mixture between the Sudanese and the Zaire strain |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59116605 United States 08/24/2014 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something very fundamental has changed in the forest animals. The virus' are mixing, they don't kill their hosts as fast, and they aren't quite as lethal when they do infect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24053524 The is just the gift that's going to keep on giving. I predict that Africa becomes uninhabitable in a year. If you go there, you die. Why are you implying that it's going to stop at any particular borders? Read this (just days away now): Quoting another source: My Ebola Nightmare (True Story) Posted 07 August 2014 - 10:14 AM I work at school with hundreds of foreign students from Africa and the Middle East. The vast majority of them go home for the summer and come back, all of them will be back in a few weeks. Last semester a student from Nigeria came up to me and we had a long conversation. Really interesting, clever person but what am I going to do in such situations for the next few months? Am I going to say, "Please stand away from me?" I'm afraid, who wouldn't be? I hope these people aren't let in to the country where I am, for obvious reasons. But, I'm rolling the dice and staying. The odds are that the hundred or so African students will not be infected and there's no reason to be especially worried about the middle eastern students. If just one of them is infected with Ebola though, probably is that the entire campus population will go down. Such is life, a roll of the dice sometimes. I work at a university out in the countryside with about 10,000 students and thousands of teachers and staff. If the African students are either all negative for Ebola or stopped at customs and not allowed to enter the country then I'll be in the clear and in a pretty good situation out in the countryside in a university that is similar to a self-contained city. But, there's a lot of travel of students and staff to a major city nearby, daily. I think if just one foreign student is positive for Ebola, the entire population of the university will get infected and with the daily travel to the local major city, one person could bring the world down...there is an international airport in this city. To get more specific, this is a city with a population of over 5 million people and a good percentage of the staff travel to this city daily because they live there. Now magnify this situation by thousands of similar situations all over the world. Here's my plan: I can't stop doing my job at this school but I live on campus alone. I can buy enough packaged foods and drinks for two months or so and not allow anyone in my apartment. I'll take any other precautions I can and see what happens. ... Aww, I feel for you- I would probably stay too. Here's my idea- make sure you talk with your African students- heck all your students and make them be aware of what's going on and tell them you want them to go first sign of a fever, sickness to get checked out. This may be excessive, but I would get paper towels and mix spray bottles with bleach and water (look online, I think it's 10:1 or 9:1 ratio) - wipe down tables, seats, whatever- door handles,etc. Hibiclens is what hospitals use and is cheaper online in big jugs- get it for students and put it in a pump bottle, make kids use it when they come in your class- be vigilant. Have a good filter face mask in case someone gets sick ( I mean, it could save you) everyone seems to say N100 or P100 (I think $7-10 at Home Depot or Lowes, etc. Latex gloves are cheap- get a couple boxes, check the Dollar Store even or Walmart. Do what you can do and hope for the best. Stay safe. xo |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60916731 Netherlands 08/24/2014 03:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mumbai too. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34275404 Ebola virus suspect quarantined in Mumbai hospital [link to timesofindia.feedsportal.com] holy shit, if this turns out to be postive it will show how easily the virus could spread around the world :/ in big dudu So the some of the people on his plane may have it too. Also some people in Dubai. Quote from article: "The Emirates passenger, who flew in via Dubai, came from Nigeria, one of four African nations to be affected by the virus." |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 24053524 Canada 08/24/2014 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something very fundamental has changed in the forest animals. The virus' are mixing, they don't kill their hosts as fast, and they aren't quite as lethal when they do infect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24053524 The is just the gift that's going to keep on giving. I predict that Africa becomes uninhabitable in a year. If you go there, you die. Why are you implying that it's going to stop at any particular borders? Read this (just days away now): I'm not really, it's just that it'll be less. We don't have fruit bats hanging around in our trees getting their saliva in the mangoes. AFAIK anyway. We don't have hunters who go into the forest for meat. We don't have the women cleaning the meat from the forests. Yes, it will most likely spread human to human in other countries. But I think it has a much better chance of being controlled than in Africa where the problem seems to be a lot more than just human to human contact. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1427108 08/24/2014 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ebola Kills 13 in Congo Outbreak Separate From W. Africa Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1427108 [link to www.bloomberg.com] Now, this is doom, not a volcano spitting out some ashes and stones! I completely agree with OP |
Ebøla User ID: 1427108 08/24/2014 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ebola Kills 13 in Congo Outbreak Separate From W. Africa Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1427108 [link to www.bloomberg.com] Now, this is doom, not a volcano spitting out some ashes and stones! I completely agree with OP |
Medic User ID: 25033107 Canada 08/24/2014 04:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The prevalence of Ebola virus–reactive IgG among dogs from the villages where humans cases occurred was 27.2%..."..."We observed that some dogs ate fresh remains of Ebola virus–infected dead animals brought back to the villages, and that others licked vomit from Ebola virus infected patients. Together, these findings strong suggest that dogs can become infected by the Ebola virus" [link to wwwnc.cdc.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1721067 United States 08/24/2014 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not really, it's just that it'll be less. We don't have fruit bats hanging around in our trees getting their saliva in the mangoes. AFAIK anyway. We don't have hunters who go into the forest for meat. We don't have the women cleaning the meat from the forests. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24053524 Yes, it will most likely spread human to human in other countries. But I think it has a much better chance of being controlled than in Africa where the problem seems to be a lot more than just human to human contact. I've got relevant some posts on that topic. Your thoughts? If ebola breaks out here, I can think of a few reasons why we will fare even worse than W Africa. - Large numbers of people living in apartment buildings, dorm rooms, and hotels with shared ventilation. - Carpeted dwellings that are impossible to disinfect. - Large numbers of people living with animals in the home. Common practice in America to let animals sleep in your bed and lick your face. - Shared water supply. - Common to have one's food prepared by a stranger outside of the home. - mobility of the population Good reply: Good post. Especially re: carpeted areas. We pulled all our carpets and put down hard floors. Easy to disinfect hard surfaces and I have several cats who like to share their own viruses. It keeps everyone healthy. 10 percent bleach to 90 percent water will kill viruses. (I wonder if it is the same for ebola.) If the animals are not allowed outside, there's not much risk of catching anything from them. agree, there's also public bathrooms on every dining place there's night clubs, there are buses, trains, subways, lots of closed space working places, taxis you name it.. a virus like this one is going to have a great tour Plus ATMs, chip and PIN keypads in every store, fast food and store counter tops, mail, cash, door handles on every door, elevator buttons, kids play areas, schools, sports events and stadiums... the list goes on and on. Here in the US, yea, it will take off like wild fire. You have illegals that throw a childs diaper on the floor anywhere, in a parking lot, in a shopping basket, anywhere except the garbage. You have illegals that because of living in Mexico, don't flush used toilet paper, rather they throw it on the floor or in a trash can (not often) because in Mexico the sewage systems can't take the TP. You have women that go into a public restroom and do the squat technique over a toilet, spraying and dripping urine everywhere and NOT cleaning up after themselves or wiping the seat down for the next 50 women that need to use it after, making the next woman clean their urine up...it is just sick the way people are when it comes to bodily functions, not to mention sick people in stores that openly pick their noses or blow their nose or sneeze, then right away push that shopping cart - and with the Ebola virus living for about 5 days outside of host..yea...it will be bad. Good point, considering that the virus can survive dry outside the host for days - I didn't think about the ATMs, the little plastic pens you use when purchasing groceries and all the other surfaces people come into contact with - after they have not washed their hands after using the restroom, changing a diaper or all the other personal habits humans do many times per day. Just hope it doesn't take off here. surely you understand the ebola virus can live on something like money for several days. and once you come into contact with it it will not care if you are educated or the most hygienic or refined person on the planet. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1819924 United States 08/24/2014 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Health ministry in Congo confirms discovering cases of Ebola in the country. Quoting: Ebøla 4020131 Will soon follow up with a link. Are they now calling the disease formerly known as "Not Ebola" Ebola? Because I think it was up around 500 cases at last check in just Congo alone Confirmed. This is "Not Ebola" Here is the WHO statement from earlier in the week As Reuters reported at the time, citing a WHO spokesman who had sent an email to the news agency, "this is not Ebola" to which we mused: "perhaps the WHO is fibbing just a bit to prevent another all out panic. If not Ebola then what? According to WHO, the deaths are the result of an outbreak of hemorrhagic gastroenteritis, a disease prevalent in... dogs? So they are now saying it is Ebola WHO is saying that. |
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User ID: 61790121 United States 08/24/2014 05:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A WHO spokesperson said the UN health agency could not confirm the results of the tests announced on Sunday, which were carried out by the Congolese authorities. [link to mwcnews.net] Most in depth article yet. That’s the thing about progress; all the word means is “continued movement in the same direction.” If the direction was a bad idea to start with, or if it’s passed the point at which it still made sense, continuing to trudge blindly onward into the gathering dark may not be the best idea in the world. Break out of that mental straitjacket, and the range of possible futures broadens out immeasurably. John Michael Greer |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44110492 United States 08/24/2014 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not really, it's just that it'll be less. We don't have fruit bats hanging around in our trees getting their saliva in the mangoes. AFAIK anyway. We don't have hunters who go into the forest for meat. We don't have the women cleaning the meat from the forests. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24053524 Yes, it will most likely spread human to human in other countries. But I think it has a much better chance of being controlled than in Africa where the problem seems to be a lot more than just human to human contact. I've got relevant some posts on that topic. Your thoughts? If ebola breaks out here, I can think of a few reasons why we will fare even worse than W Africa. - Large numbers of people living in apartment buildings, dorm rooms, and hotels with shared ventilation. - Carpeted dwellings that are impossible to disinfect. - Large numbers of people living with animals in the home. Common practice in America to let animals sleep in your bed and lick your face. - Shared water supply. - Common to have one's food prepared by a stranger outside of the home. - mobility of the population Good reply: Good post. Especially re: carpeted areas. We pulled all our carpets and put down hard floors. Easy to disinfect hard surfaces and I have several cats who like to share their own viruses. It keeps everyone healthy. 10 percent bleach to 90 percent water will kill viruses. (I wonder if it is the same for ebola.) If the animals are not allowed outside, there's not much risk of catching anything from them. agree, there's also public bathrooms on every dining place there's night clubs, there are buses, trains, subways, lots of closed space working places, taxis you name it.. a virus like this one is going to have a great tour Plus ATMs, chip and PIN keypads in every store, fast food and store counter tops, mail, cash, door handles on every door, elevator buttons, kids play areas, schools, sports events and stadiums... the list goes on and on. Here in the US, yea, it will take off like wild fire. You have illegals that throw a childs diaper on the floor anywhere, in a parking lot, in a shopping basket, anywhere except the garbage. You have illegals that because of living in Mexico, don't flush used toilet paper, rather they throw it on the floor or in a trash can (not often) because in Mexico the sewage systems can't take the TP. You have women that go into a public restroom and do the squat technique over a toilet, spraying and dripping urine everywhere and NOT cleaning up after themselves or wiping the seat down for the next 50 women that need to use it after, making the next woman clean their urine up...it is just sick the way people are when it comes to bodily functions, not to mention sick people in stores that openly pick their noses or blow their nose or sneeze, then right away push that shopping cart - and with the Ebola virus living for about 5 days outside of host..yea...it will be bad. Good point, considering that the virus can survive dry outside the host for days - I didn't think about the ATMs, the little plastic pens you use when purchasing groceries and all the other surfaces people come into contact with - after they have not washed their hands after using the restroom, changing a diaper or all the other personal habits humans do many times per day. Just hope it doesn't take off here. surely you understand the ebola virus can live on something like money for several days. and once you come into contact with it it will not care if you are educated or the most hygienic or refined person on the planet. It can't live outside the body for very long So passing on information that isn't true. It doesn't need to be this virulent. It just collapses heath care systems slowly but effectively. We here in the US with all our advancements couldn't handle anything more than 2% of the population coming down with this. Everything would come undone in a matter of weeks... days even Watch Liberia the next few weeks... This will be what to expect. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59123032 United States 08/24/2014 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It can't live outside the body for very long Quoting: Anonymous Coward 44110492 So passing on information that isn't true. The (23) in the bolded sentence below seems to refer to the number of the citation and not the number of days. SURVIVAL OUTSIDE HOST: The virus can survive in liquid or dried material for a number of days (23). Infectivity is found to be stable at room temperature or at 4°C for several days, and indefinitely stable at -70°C (6, 20). Infectivity can be preserved by lyophilisation. [link to www.phac-aspc.gc.ca] This is not the best source but it's consistent with what I've read in other places. Ebola is certainly a hardy virus and might be able to make it for over a week but no less than three or four days. So the range is anywhere from three to ten days in all likelihood. [link to wiki.answers.com] |
Ebøla User ID: 1466537 08/24/2014 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It can't live outside the body for very long Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24053524 So passing on information that isn't true. It doesn't need to be this virulent. It just collapses heath care systems slowly but effectively. We here in the US with all our advancements couldn't handle anything more than 2% of the population coming down with this. Everything would come undone in a matter of weeks... days even Watch Liberia the next few weeks... This will be what to expect. Game over! We are so fucked, this is the final illuminati card! And now, what are we supposed to do? |
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User ID: 61790121 United States 08/24/2014 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Game over! We are so fucked, this is the final illuminati card! Quoting: Ebøla 1466537 And now, what are we supposed to do? Build a fire, sing a couple of songs. That’s the thing about progress; all the word means is “continued movement in the same direction.” If the direction was a bad idea to start with, or if it’s passed the point at which it still made sense, continuing to trudge blindly onward into the gathering dark may not be the best idea in the world. Break out of that mental straitjacket, and the range of possible futures broadens out immeasurably. John Michael Greer |