So are Christians to blame for all of this?

Exactly! They are pawns of the NWO. They are not real christians.

Definitely.

Christians have not stood up for evil. They have sat back and protested nothing.

Just for starters, God is the Giver of life and does not condone abortion.

The abortion figures for the year 2003 was close to a quarter of a million.

source:
[link to www.reclaimamerica.org]

How many millions of Christians have gathered to protest abortions down through the years? The vast majority have let others do these protests.

And the 'blame game' goes on.. and on... and on... and ugh!

WOW...do we have anger issues???

I swear that I would bet my life against yours friend that He is real and that you are wrong....but you will never see me strapping explosives to my waist.

I'm sorry that you have so much anger...the devil has done his work on you.

This life is not all there is....

The U.S. President has proven that he is NOT a Christian.

from the cuttingedge.org from 2001:

Title: "YE SHALL KNOW THEM BY THEIR WORDS" -- [Matthew ????] -- Part 1


Subtitle: Christian leaders are twisting this "Scripture", applying it President Bush, and telling their congregations that Bush is a Born Again, Godly man. Herein is our challenge to every pastor who believes Bush is a Godly Christian: Read the contents of this article and refute us! Wake up, American Christians -- you have been duped -- at the most critical time in world history!
Satanic Doctrine: "In all ages the people of the world have accepted words for deeds, for THEY ARE CONTENT WITH A SHOW and rarely pause to note, in the public arena, whether promises are followed by performance."

The New World Order is coming! Are you ready? Once you understand what this New World Order really is, and how it is being gradually implemented, you will be able to see it progressing in your daily news!!

Learn how to protect yourself, your loved ones!

Stand by for insights so startling you will never look at the news the same way again.


YOU ARE NOW ON

THE CUTTING EDGE

The great majority of American Christians today are totally convinced that President Bush is a Born Again Christian, a president who "seeks the face of the Lord daily on national matters". They believe this because Candidate Bush offered a tepid statement of faith [NEWS1398], as president, has regularly invoked the name, "God" and "Lord" [NEWS1740], and has quoted some Scripture, mostly Old Testament..

Thus, Americans trust this president like none other; they believe he is conducting his office according to Biblical principles and is guided by both Biblical doctrine and principles. This belief comforted these Christians in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks and comfort them now as Bush is leading the world into the exact New World Order war that the Illuminati designed in 1870 to produce Antichrist on the world scene [Read NEWS1056].

Despite our repeated warnings that President Bush was NOT truly Born Again, and was merely giving us a show of powerful rhetoric, too many Christians stubbornly cling to this belief and far too many gullible pastors intone from their pulpits that George W. Bush is a Godly man, a Born Again Christian whom we can trust in the conduct of his office.

We shall demonstrate that Christians cling to this belief based upon rhetoric alone, that when you carry out the words of our Savior, you will realize that this president has produced rotten spiritual fruit during his 2 1/2 years of his presidency. And, of course, we are to examine fruit; while we cannot know the condition of a man's heart, Jesus solemnly tells us that we are to be "fruit inspectors".[Matthew 7:16]

In the headline above, I stated the twisted view of Scripture that most Christians are using to believe President Bush is a Born Again Christian -- "Ye Shall Know Them By Their Words". Of course, the real Scripture is: Ye shall know them by their fruits." Matt 7:16. The word "fruit" used here is Strong's Number 2590, which means "work, act, deed" [Strong's Greek & Hebrew Dictionary]

Therefore, Jesus is calling us to examine President Bush's works, acts, and deeds to determine whether his profession of faith is consistent with Christian good fruit. This is our Biblical duty; since Bush is leading us directly into a war with Iraq that may erupt into the World War III that will produce Antichrist, we must ascertain once and for all whether Bush is a "good fruit", genuine Christian, or whether he is a counterfeit, "bad fruit" president.

In preparation for this article, I called several astute, well-educated men and women to ask them one simple question: "What ACTION has President Bush actually carried out that can be considered true, Biblical good fruit". I emphasized that I did not want to hear about good, lofty words, but actions. I even called a man who considers Bush to be a Born Again Christian to ask him that question.

To a person, no one could think of any single, solitary action or deed, that Bush has taken that we might assign the label, "Good Fruit". Like Clinton, Bush has given us lofty rhetoric that fires our imaginations and stirs our souls, but also like Clinton, Bush has given us only rotten Illuminati fruit.

We apologize for the length of this report, but we are covering 2 1/2 years of the Bush presidency. You will see a side to George W. Bush that you have never seen before, because you have been so busy earning a living you have not paid close attention to the news. You have also been relying on your local paper, rather than reviewing dozens of news sources daily, as do we at Cutting Edge as we prepare our Daily News Updates.

BUSH'S BAD, BITTER FRUITS AS PRESIDENT

Doctrinal Disaster

* Refused To Repudiate and Repent of Sin of Skull & Bones -- NEWS1314. President George W. Bush is a member of the Black Magick Satanic secret society, Skull & Bones, like his Dad and Granddad, Prescott Bush. Skull & Bones is an elite of the elite Illuminati training societies, but they are much more than that. They are a national chapter of the global Brotherhood of Death Societies; in Germany, the participant society is the Thule Society. Adolf Hitler received ALL of his training in the deepest of Satanic doctrine, knowledge, and power from the Thule Society. As former Satanists have boldly stated, All Bushes -- Prescott, George H.W., and George W. -- have received the same occult training as did Hitler.

During the presidential campaign of 2000, George W. Bush cast great new light on his past, and current, membership of the Skull & Bones. On August 1, 2000, Republican Candidate George W. Bush was interviewed by Walter Isaacson on Time cnn.com. This report, posted on the CNN internet site, was entitled, "George W. Bush: "My Heritage Is Part Of Who I Am' ". The results for the Biblically discerning are shocking and definitive. Put your discernment hat on.

In the course of the interview, Isaacson asked George W. about his past Bones experience. If ever George W. had a perfect opportunity to genuinely come clean about Skull and Bones, this was the time. As we revealed in NEWS1314, above, Skull and Bones is deeply and darkly Satanic; its sister German secret society, The Thule Society, had trained Adolf Hitler into the deepest and darkest of Satanic Black Magick. If George W. were truly Born Again, this opportunity was perfect for him to repent of his past involvement and boldly reveal the terrible Antichrist plans that Skull and Bones has been moving America toward for the past 170 years. Did George W. repent and come clean?

No! Listen to Bush: "Without revealing all the great secrets? I got a few of my old club mates who could demystify it right off the bat. My dad didn't tap me. Someone a year ahead of me tapped me. There was an entry celebration. I can't remember whether my dad showed up or not. I don't think so. "


What a brilliant answer! In just a few brief sentences, George W. Bush buried all the deepest, darkest facts about Skull and Bones with a nonchalant, almost flippant, answer. Instead of taking this opportunity to really tell the truth about Skull and Bones, and repenting of it, and telling of its global Antichrist aspirations, George W. simply added his experience in this society to the general litany of the experiences that made his character and personality what it is today!


No man can be genuinely saved if he is hiding significant sin in his heart, refusing to repent of it. Repentance of all known sin is a requirement to be genuinely saved [Luke 13:5]. The Psalmist makes this matter even more plain:

"If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me." Psalms 66:18


Therefore, since Bush has refused to repent of his sin in the Satanic Skull & Bones, since he continues to bring on to his Cabinet Illuminati CFR members, and since he continues his Bones' association, that is a huge indication that he is not genuinely saved!

Anti-Christian Morality While President

* Bush honored Satanic Hard Rocker, Ozzy Osbourne twice within one month! NEWS1758. On April 4, 2001, Bush invited Ozzy and Sharon to a private White House dinner and then on May 4, Bush specifically honored Ozzy at the White House Correspondent's Ball. George Bush loves the Satanic Rocker, Ozzy Osbourne, so very much he invited Ozzy to this White House Ball on Saturday, May 4, 2002, where he complimented him and showed him the best hospitality the President of the United States could lavish. What is a supposedly Born Again Christian President doing showering such complimentary honors on a Satanic Rocker? Why is Bush stating his love for Ozzy's sickening songs, some of which he names?

Please take the time to read NEWS1758, for we detail what each of these songs say that Bush singled out for recognition. Once you understand the Satanism inherent in these songs, you will get a good insight into the true character of President Bush. When you realize Bush singled out one song that glorified the terribly bloody ritual sacrifice of actress Sharon Tate by Charlie Manson, you will understand Bush's true heart.

What does the Bible say?

"Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." [Eph 5:11]



* President Bush engaged in sexually filthy speech at this same Correspondent's Ball. NEWS1758. When Bush joked that V.P. Cheney was masturbating as he looked at some sexually arousing scene through a peephole in the Oval Office, he revealed his true nature once and for all! This is the "Smoking Gun" that proves Bush's unchristian nature once and for all! No Christian, indwelt by the Holy Spirit, would ever joke like this.

* Bush went back on his promise to Senior Pastor Dixon and shut down the Indianapolis Baptist Church with Swat Teams! - NEWS1472 Not only did President Bush shut down a Baptist Church, he timed the raid according to occult numbers, also like an Illuminist would do!

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HUH? our infor is a little outdated here.

perhaps you don't know that abortion practice is on it's way to extinction?

Three states now have anti-abortion laws on it's books and we have a Supreme Court that will not overrule it.

Ding-a-lings!

All the word 'evangelical' means is that they think the primary purpose of the church is to evangelize the world.

Sheesh!

Delusion is to blame for all of this.

Specifically, religious delusion and greed.

Delusion consists of a misleading view of reality. Egocentrism is the primary delusion of mankind. It is the belief in a separate, inherently-existing self (ego) which is somehow detached from or above the rest of Nature.

Mystics, wise men, and spiritual leaders have told us this for centuries. But human nature, formed by evolution, is difficult to overcome.

Our task is to continue evolving spiritually and intellectually or be destroyed by our egocentric Stone Age legacy.

Here is the word of the Lord for you today, 114312:


1 Kings 19:

The LORD Appears to Elijah
And the word of the LORD came to him: "What are you doing here, Elijah?"

10 He replied, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, broken down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too."

11 The LORD said, "Go out and stand on the mountain in the presence of the LORD, for the LORD is about to pass by."
Then a great and powerful wind tore the mountains apart and shattered the rocks before the LORD, but the LORD was not in the wind. After the wind there was an earthquake, but the LORD was not in the earthquake. 12 After the earthquake came a fire, but the LORD was not in the fire. And after the fire came a gentle whisper. 13 When Elijah heard it, he pulled his cloak over his face and went out and stood at the mouth of the cave.
Then a voice said to him, "What are you doing here, Elijah?"

14 He replied, "I have been very zealous for the LORD God Almighty. The Israelites have rejected your covenant, broken down your altars, and put your prophets to death with the sword. I am the only one left, and now they are trying to kill me too."

15 The LORD said to him, "Go back the way you came, and go to the Desert of Damascus. When you get there, anoint Hazael king over Aram. 16 Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet. 17 Jehu will put to death any who escape the sword of Hazael, and Elisha will put to death any who escape the sword of Jehu. 18 Yet I reserve seven thousand in Israel—all whose knees have not bowed down to Baal and all whose mouths have not kissed him."


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There are 7000 when he thought he was the only one.

He 'reserved' for himself 7000 - and Elijah thought they all apostasized.

Maybe a lesson here for you?

Maybe even a great prophet like Elijah didn't know everything? Especially not the heart of all men?

Perhaps there is always a remnant that God reserves for Himself, in the midst of all the madness?

Don't be stiff necked. This was a dismissal for Elijah. He was replaced. He lost his heart for God's people.

Welcome Tarspot,

Very profound words, thank you for speaking them. I agree wholeheartedly.

Today the church (brick and mortar) practice churchianity rather than Christianity. They play the part, putting on a mask, but deep inside, they are no different than the world. A precise example of the term "hypocrit".

As 19.47 says, I hope you have thick skin and stick around. This place can get quite vexing at times.

You know nothing about me except how I respond to self righteous assholes. Different situations call for different response and I'm sick to fucking death of Christians spouting all this sanctimonious bullshit about how every one is going to burn.
Your Christian closet is so full of skeletons there is no way in the universe you people have a snowballs chance in hell of being right.

You constantly preach about how every one is going to burn for eternity for every little transgression when your church is directly responsible for some of the most horrific periods of slaughter and murder in the history of the world. And bears more than a little responsibility for the mess in the middle east.

Oh but you can be as evil as you like because YOUR SAVED RIGHT??
You allow child molesters to rome free and unpunished. Evangelicals that preach hate, a million evil fucks at the heads of your churchs making millions of dollars off of weakminded fools that swallow everything they say. Your good will towards men lasts about ten feet beyond the church door and then you turn into the same meanminded souless assholes crowding the rest of the world.
News flash for ya, your religion is a lie. Stop trying to sell me on it. I see it for the evil that it represents.

And don't give me that crap about how "those aren't true christians" doing all the evil crap. That's what they call themselves, that's the belief system they subscribe to and espouse. If it walks like a christian, and makes noise like a christian? It's a fucking christian.
Clean up your own house before you start bitching about mine.

First off, Bush is so far removed from the One he proclaims to follow, that I cant believe anyone would even equate him with CHRIST JESUS. Bush is a Masonic Satanist, doing the bidding of his master.

I too have witnessed great hostility toward Christians on this forum, and it makes my heart sad; but I know it was and has been coming.

As far as who is blame, I guess you could blame Adam and Eve for their rebellion in the Garden of Eden. OR you could go to the heart of the matter and each of us can take personal responsibility for our own selfishness and wickedness, for our rebellion against GOD.

I blame myself for what is happening in the world, because I know that selfishness, greed, hatred, covetousness, lying, abusing, hostility, and a whole host of other wickedness can creep into my heart when I am not vigilant against these devises. I cannot come as close to the Perfect Love that CHRIST JESUS displayed as I would desire to. Although I try, I fall far short of HIS Glory.

So to get to the root of the problem, its the cancerous condition of men's hearts (thoughts, desires, purposes, ambitions, dreams, etc) that have this world in the clutches of destruction we find ourselves in.

Now, now, 19.47. I know you don't really think this.

You hate the sin, and love the sinner.

You still protect children - punish the wicked, but you don't hate them.

When you punish your children, you don't hate them, do you? Of course not.

When you incarcerate a child abuser, you are actually loving them because you are taking away their temptation to sin more. And if they cannot ever stop abusing children, they must NEVER be in the vicinity of children, or any other evil they may be unable to resist.

Everyone, everyone, everyone is eligible for the mercy of God. There is no such thing as being beyond the forgiveness of Jesus Christ. So... we can never give up.

Yes.
Yes.
Certainly.
Yes.
Emphatically Yes!

You still protect children...


Is this why Republican/Evangelicals have a higher rate of Child Sexual Abuse then Democrats?

Also Republican/Evangelicals have a higher rate of Internet Porn Viewing then any other group.

Children of Republican/Evangelicals have a higher rate of Suiciding themselves then Democrats.

Republican/Evangelicals divorce more then any other group.

Nuff Said.

jD

"I would rather be an idiot than an "End Times Cultist"."
Hi-five! You've succeeded.

kay
did you know that the 501c3 church is like the prophets which ate at jezebel's table?


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Says who? You?

I think you need to reread the passage without your preconceived notions about '501c3'.

In fact, I think you need to have a new definition of the word 'church'.

The Church is the Bride of Christ. It is not a building, a denominational title. It is those people who have in common the fact that they are believers in Jesus Christ. That is the definition of 'the Church' and always has been.

'and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.'