LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face | |
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(OP) User ID: 10178399 United States 10/08/2014 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Frank Herbert For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the blah, then to the Gentile. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 1:16-17 You can't defend your home with an iPod, gaming console, or nabi. |
PresidentCamacho
User ID: 25454873 United States 10/08/2014 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face Or maybe she pulled at a "Weekend at Bernie's" The years passed, mankind became stupider at a frightening rate. Some had high hopes the genetic engineering would correct this trend in evolution, but sadly the greatest minds and resources where focused on conquering hair loss and prolonging erections. ~ Narrator (Idiocracy) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 48317580 Canada 10/08/2014 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face She contracted Ebola from the 2nd Spanish priest who died on Sep. 25. I read somewhere that while caring for him she accidentally touched her face after touching him. So that's probably when she got infected. |
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Kezar Stanyan
(OP) User ID: 10178399 United States 10/08/2014 11:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face The priest was contagious for over a month while in modern care before he died. Quoting: Kezar Stanyan There were two Spanish priests returned from Africa with ebola. She attended to both, so your timelines are off i think. Thanks for pin whoever, And yeah he flew in on SEPT 22....so.... Which means she was symptomatic within a week, so that is consistent with other field data. I'll change title. Regardless, the method if transmission is still a mystery. The hand to glove theory us headlining fast. Poor nurse. Might not have been her mishap at all, but tptb want to make everyone believe the most conservative method if transmission. “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Frank Herbert For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the blah, then to the Gentile. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 1:16-17 You can't defend your home with an iPod, gaming console, or nabi. |
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User ID: 42564053 United States 10/08/2014 11:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face Manuel Garcia Viejo was flown into Spain on August 22, 2014 Quoting: Kezar Stanyan [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] Dated September 25, 2014: "The Spanish missionary who was flown home to Madrid from Sierra Leone after contracting the Ebola virus has died, according to hospital sources." [link to uk.news.yahoo.com (secure)] "The nurse who contracted Ebola began experiencing symptoms on Sept. 30, five days after Garcia Viejo died." "The woman, a "sanitary technician," entered Garcia Viejo's room only twice (while alive), according to Spanish officials. (and once after he passed away) In one case, she entered the room to change his diaper; another time, after he had died, she entered to collect his belongings" [link to www.washingtonpost.com] The priest was contagious for over a month while in modern care before he died. We don't know when the nurse went into change his diaper, but she was at least symptomatic (fever only!) within 5 days of his death. Did she contract Ebola before or after he died? I'd like to know when she first went in. There is missing data to establish when she first had symptoms, too. None of this has been established...they can only guess. She went on a vacation between Sept. 26 until she checked in for isolated treatment on October 6, 2014. "Health authorities note the woman went on vacation the day after the death of Father Viejo. They are actively looking at at least 30 contacts, including her husband." [link to outbreaknewstoday.com] If you carefully read all the linked articles, you'll see a couple of discrepancies: 1) One article claims she vacationed right after he died, others say five days after he died until she noticed symptoms and her husband claims she stayed 'mostly home' until she checked herself in. 2) One article claims she entered the priest's room twice, another, three times. Spanish authorities have since quarantined her husband, speculate she contracted the virus while touching her face with the gloves she was using to treat the priest, and have also euthanized the family dog. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] CONCERNS We have no clue when she contracted the disease since the Priest arrived. There is a possibility that the 21-day onset period could be longer. But many in the field report that the onset is closer to 8-10 days. Most alarming is that the overall exposure to an Ebola-infected patient in a modern health setting can be as long as 40 days. That's a lot of time to pass the virus to health workers. The 'hand to face' theory on how she contracted Ebola is a GUESS and nothing more. The door is wide open to suggest that Ebola is indeed airborne, but this case still doesn't prove it because nobody can tell how it is transmitted. What a pain the ass..... Which leads us to this conclusion and lesson, GLP: The estimates on transmission, onset and effect of Ebola by CDC and WHO are educated guesses and nothing more. I've seen lots of folks wondering why Ebola hasn't spread faster, but our understanding of the virus is only couched in guesswork based on field observation, which as of today, is a wild card. We just aren't in a position to nail these facts down close enough to establish conclusions. What makes matters worse is that the virus may be mutating, which also could translate into changing symptoms and incubation periods. Viruses tend to exchange lethality for transmission when evolving. Hoping for a vaccine to cure all Ebola is akin to hunting unicorns. This is real possible Doom. Mother nature is about to humble many of us. Pray the virus is contained and support containment efforts, wherever you are. The same woman took care of 2 priests who had Ebola. The first one died in August and the 2nd, I believe about Sept. 21. The media is pushing that she got it from the 2nd priest but I think the chance is equally as good that she got it from the first one. A scientist said Ebola evolved from exposure to death in 3-5 days but now Ebola has gone from exposure to symptoms in 2-21 days. Maybe now it's 2- 45 days. |
Kezar Stanyan
(OP) User ID: 10178399 United States 10/09/2014 12:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face Manuel Garcia Viejo was flown into Spain on August 22, 2014 Quoting: Kezar Stanyan [link to www.dailymail.co.uk] Dated September 25, 2014: "The Spanish missionary who was flown home to Madrid from Sierra Leone after contracting the Ebola virus has died, according to hospital sources." [link to uk.news.yahoo.com (secure)] "The nurse who contracted Ebola began experiencing symptoms on Sept. 30, five days after Garcia Viejo died." "The woman, a "sanitary technician," entered Garcia Viejo's room only twice (while alive), according to Spanish officials. (and once after he passed away) In one case, she entered the room to change his diaper; another time, after he had died, she entered to collect his belongings" [link to www.washingtonpost.com] The priest was contagious for over a month while in modern care before he died. We don't know when the nurse went into change his diaper, but she was at least symptomatic (fever only!) within 5 days of his death. Did she contract Ebola before or after he died? I'd like to know when she first went in. There is missing data to establish when she first had symptoms, too. None of this has been established...they can only guess. She went on a vacation between Sept. 26 until she checked in for isolated treatment on October 6, 2014. "Health authorities note the woman went on vacation the day after the death of Father Viejo. They are actively looking at at least 30 contacts, including her husband." [link to outbreaknewstoday.com] If you carefully read all the linked articles, you'll see a couple of discrepancies: 1) One article claims she vacationed right after he died, others say five days after he died until she noticed symptoms and her husband claims she stayed 'mostly home' until she checked herself in. 2) One article claims she entered the priest's room twice, another, three times. Spanish authorities have since quarantined her husband, speculate she contracted the virus while touching her face with the gloves she was using to treat the priest, and have also euthanized the family dog. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] CONCERNS We have no clue when she contracted the disease since the Priest arrived. There is a possibility that the 21-day onset period could be longer. But many in the field report that the onset is closer to 8-10 days. Most alarming is that the overall exposure to an Ebola-infected patient in a modern health setting can be as long as 40 days. That's a lot of time to pass the virus to health workers. The 'hand to face' theory on how she contracted Ebola is a GUESS and nothing more. The door is wide open to suggest that Ebola is indeed airborne, but this case still doesn't prove it because nobody can tell how it is transmitted. What a pain the ass..... Which leads us to this conclusion and lesson, GLP: The estimates on transmission, onset and effect of Ebola by CDC and WHO are educated guesses and nothing more. I've seen lots of folks wondering why Ebola hasn't spread faster, but our understanding of the virus is only couched in guesswork based on field observation, which as of today, is a wild card. We just aren't in a position to nail these facts down close enough to establish conclusions. What makes matters worse is that the virus may be mutating, which also could translate into changing symptoms and incubation periods. Viruses tend to exchange lethality for transmission when evolving. Hoping for a vaccine to cure all Ebola is akin to hunting unicorns. This is real possible Doom. Mother nature is about to humble many of us. Pray the virus is contained and support containment efforts, wherever you are. The same woman took care of 2 priests who had Ebola. The first one died in August and the 2nd, I believe about Sept. 21. The media is pushing that she got it from the 2nd priest but I think the chance is equally as good that she got it from the first one. A scientist said Ebola evolved from exposure to death in 3-5 days but now Ebola has gone from exposure to symptoms in 2-21 days. Maybe now it's 2- 45 days. Wow. Didn't see she took care of both...then yeah we know less than we thought about incubation. “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Frank Herbert For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the blah, then to the Gentile. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 1:16-17 You can't defend your home with an iPod, gaming console, or nabi. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61201047 United States 10/09/2014 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face And there are more infected healthcare workers infected in Spain, yet to be confirmed. [link to foxct.com] "Six Spanish Health Care Providers May Have Ebola" |
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Kezar Stanyan
(OP) User ID: 20317906 United States 10/09/2014 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: LESSONS FROM SPANISH EBOLA: Nurse checks in with symptoms within week, transmission assumed to be glove to face [link to www.telegraph.co.uk] - Insufficient training - a 20-minute crash course in handling Ebola patients - Poor equipment - Using adhesive tape to secure latex gloves - Suits failed to seal - Transported the nurse in an ambulance without any precaution Expect massive lawsuits in the US if hospitals drop the ball on not taking enough precautions. Spain's health care system is certainly comparable to ours... “I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.” - Frank Herbert For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the blah, then to the Gentile. For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.” Romans 1:16-17 You can't defend your home with an iPod, gaming console, or nabi. |