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(OP) User ID: 63036191 United States 10/08/2014 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus According to the Center for Aerobiological Sciences, U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick, Maryland: (1) Ebola has an aerosol stability that is comparable to Influenza-A (2) Much like Flu, Airborne Ebola transmissions need Winter type conditions to maximize Aerosol infection "Filoviruses, which are classified as Category A Bioterrorism Agents by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (Atlanta, GA), have stability in aerosol form comparable to other lipid containing viruses such as influenza A virus, a low infectious dose by the aerosol route (less than 10 PFU) in NHPs, and case fatality rates as high as ~90% ." "The mode of acquisition of viral infection in index cases is usually unknown. Secondary transmission of filovirus infection is typically thought to occur by direct contact with infected persons or infected blood or tissues. There is no strong evidence of secondary transmission by the aerosol route in African filovirus outbreaks. However, aerosol transmission is thought to be possible and may occur in conditions of lower temperature and humidity which may not have been factors in outbreaks in warmer climates [13]. At the very least, the potential exists for aerosol transmission, given that virus is detected in bodily secretions, the pulmonary alveolar interstitial cells, and within lung spaces" Analysis: Its clear that when Ebola is in the air it is at least as hardy as Influenza. Its also clear that coughing and sneezing is what makes Influenza airborne; the same should be expected of Ebola. Moreover, just as sun, heat, and humidity along the Earths' Equatorial regions serve to 'burn' Influenza out of the air, the same should be expected of Ebola. The difference with Ebola is that physical contact with even the tiniest amounts of infected bodily fluid can cause infection, hence unlike flu it also readily spreads in equatorial regions. When Ebola spreads to the regions of the Earth which experience Fall and Winter Flu seasons, airborne Ebola infectious routes are to be expected in conjunction with direct contact infection. Ebola has the capability to infect pretty much every cell in the entire human respiratory tract. Similarly, our skin offers little resistance to even the smallest amounts of Ebola. How much airborne transmission will occur will be a function of how well Ebola induces coughing and sneezing in its victims in cold weather climates. Coughing and nasal bleeding are both reported symptoms in Africa, so the worst should be expected. In that regard, co-infections with Flu, Cold, or even seasonal Allergies will readily transform Ebola victims into biowarefare factories. Unlike Flu, a person need not inhale airborne Ebola to be infected via airborne transmission. Merely walking through an airspace (or touching the objects therein) where an Ebola victim has coughed or sneezed is potentially enough for a cold weather infection to occur. As such, all indicators are that Ebola's potential rate of infectious spread in cold weather climates is EXPLOSIVELY greater than what is occurring in Equatorial Africa Mutation: Given that the experts are keenly aware that most mutations lead to viral dead ends and given the ARMY's public research documents make such a clear case that the Ebola airborne risk is here and now, the question remains: why are the experts pushing a "future mutation" fear on the public? The primary benefits of the media mutation gambit are: 1) When the public becomes aware Ebola is airborne, the public will default to blaming a mutation rather blaming the experts for having prior knowledge of Ebola's transmissability 2) A scary future fear makes for great immediate fund raising from a public seeking to avoid it. 3) The expert clique comes down hard on experts that do anything which is perceived to immediately raise public fear, an accurate warning to the public can immediately negatively affect a forthright expert's budget and prestige 4) Public knowledge of imminent Public Health threats negatively affects supply chains and the logistics planned responses |
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(OP) User ID: 63036191 United States 10/08/2014 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus “Brantly says he isn't sure how he got infected. He's certain he didn't violate any [CDC] safety guidelines.” The United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases conducted a monkey to monkey Ebola study in December 1995, published in The Lancet, Vol. 346. (Here is a link to the abstract, but the entire article must be purchased.) [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Several Rhesus monkeys were infected with Zaire Ebola by intramuscular injection while three control Rhesus monkeys were kept in cages separated 10 feet from the infected monkeys. All of the injected monkeys died of Ebola by day 13 and 2 out of 3 control monkeys died of Ebola by 8 days after that. The authors of this study concluded that: "The exact mode of transmission to the control monkeys cannot be absolutely determined, although the pattern of pulmonary antigen staining in one of the control monkeys was virtually identical to that reported in experimental Ebola virus aerosol infection in rhesus monkeys, suggesting airborne transmission of the disease via infectious droplets... Fomite or contact droplet transmission of the virus between cages was considered unlikely. Standard procedures in our BL4 containment laboratories have always been successful in the prevention of transmission of Ebola or Marburg virus to uninflected animals. Thus, pulmonary, nasopharyngeal, oral, or conjunctival exposure to airborne droplets of the virus had to be considered as the most likely mode of infection... Our present findings emphasize the advisability of at-risk personnel employing precautions to safeguard against ocular, oral, and nasopharyngeal exposure to the virus." Read more: [link to www.americanthinker.com] Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26820346 United States 10/08/2014 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus Dr. Brantly acquired Ebola while strictly following CDC guidelines (simple mask, goggles, or face shield, gloves, gown, leg covering, shoe covers), so it is likely he became infected by inhaling contaminated droplet nuclei into his lungs or having them settle into his conjunctival (eye) sacs despite the use of CDC level protection against direct contact. Dr. Brantly apparently did not use a full-face respirator with P-100 filters, but rather a simple or N-95 face mask. An interviewer noted that Quoting: DoorBert “Brantly says he isn't sure how he got infected. He's certain he didn't violate any [CDC] safety guidelines.” The United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases conducted a monkey to monkey Ebola study in December 1995, published in The Lancet, Vol. 346. (Here is a link to the abstract, but the entire article must be purchased.) [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Several Rhesus monkeys were infected with Zaire Ebola by intramuscular injection while three control Rhesus monkeys were kept in cages separated 10 feet from the infected monkeys. All of the injected monkeys died of Ebola by day 13 and 2 out of 3 control monkeys died of Ebola by 8 days after that. The authors of this study concluded that: "The exact mode of transmission to the control monkeys cannot be absolutely determined, although the pattern of pulmonary antigen staining in one of the control monkeys was virtually identical to that reported in experimental Ebola virus aerosol infection in rhesus monkeys, suggesting airborne transmission of the disease via infectious droplets... Fomite or contact droplet transmission of the virus between cages was considered unlikely. Standard procedures in our BL4 containment laboratories have always been successful in the prevention of transmission of Ebola or Marburg virus to uninflected animals. Thus, pulmonary, nasopharyngeal, oral, or conjunctival exposure to airborne droplets of the virus had to be considered as the most likely mode of infection... Our present findings emphasize the advisability of at-risk personnel employing precautions to safeguard against ocular, oral, and nasopharyngeal exposure to the virus." Read more: [link to www.americanthinker.com] Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook Why can't they figure out why a mask that only filters 95% of particles of a particular size did not protect him. This is on a good day and assuming there wasn't a ~0.5 micron leak somewhere. Seriously they cannot be that stupid. |
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User ID: 62726535 United States 10/08/2014 09:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus Dr. Brantly acquired Ebola while strictly following CDC guidelines (simple mask, goggles, or face shield, gloves, gown, leg covering, shoe covers), so it is likely he became infected by inhaling contaminated droplet nuclei into his lungs or having them settle into his conjunctival (eye) sacs despite the use of CDC level protection against direct contact. Dr. Brantly apparently did not use a full-face respirator with P-100 filters, but rather a simple or N-95 face mask. An interviewer noted that Quoting: DoorBert “Brantly says he isn't sure how he got infected. He's certain he didn't violate any [CDC] safety guidelines.” The United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases conducted a monkey to monkey Ebola study in December 1995, published in The Lancet, Vol. 346. (Here is a link to the abstract, but the entire article must be purchased.) [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Several Rhesus monkeys were infected with Zaire Ebola by intramuscular injection while three control Rhesus monkeys were kept in cages separated 10 feet from the infected monkeys. All of the injected monkeys died of Ebola by day 13 and 2 out of 3 control monkeys died of Ebola by 8 days after that. The authors of this study concluded that: "The exact mode of transmission to the control monkeys cannot be absolutely determined, although the pattern of pulmonary antigen staining in one of the control monkeys was virtually identical to that reported in experimental Ebola virus aerosol infection in rhesus monkeys, suggesting airborne transmission of the disease via infectious droplets... Fomite or contact droplet transmission of the virus between cages was considered unlikely. Standard procedures in our BL4 containment laboratories have always been successful in the prevention of transmission of Ebola or Marburg virus to uninflected animals. Thus, pulmonary, nasopharyngeal, oral, or conjunctival exposure to airborne droplets of the virus had to be considered as the most likely mode of infection... Our present findings emphasize the advisability of at-risk personnel employing precautions to safeguard against ocular, oral, and nasopharyngeal exposure to the virus." Read more: [link to www.americanthinker.com] Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook Why can't they figure out why a mask that only filters 95% of particles of a particular size did not protect him. This is on a good day and assuming there wasn't a ~0.5 micron leak somewhere. Seriously they cannot be that stupid. Good question! deplorably republican |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 50985861 United States 10/08/2014 09:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus Thank you for this thread! This has been my feeling all along...that because the CDC guidelines are much looser than those of USAMRIID, that is why the health professionals are getting sick. I read The Hot Zone soon after it first came out in 1984 and reread it again just a few months ago, and it is very clear that the CDC guidelines are not adequate. The study that is cited in the article about the monkeys getting infected without direct contact with one another is detailed in the book. It happened in Reston, VA. I have wondered for the last few days WHY USAMRIID has not weighed in on this issue in the press. The Spanish nurse that got infected was wearing Level Two protection, and apparently the hospital thought it was enough for a Level Four biohazard! And yet they persist with the notion that the virus is not airborne. The CDC's 'kinder, gentler' version of Ebola is clearly bullshit, and could possibly be the end of us. My heart is sick. I would urge anyone that hasn't read it to read The Hot Zone. It is available on Kindle for only 4.99. It is chock full of great factual info but written in a way that the layperson can understand. At least it gives a clearer picture of what we are really dealing with here. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26820346 United States 10/08/2014 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus Evidence suggests otherwise. The Spanish nurse said she touched her face with her glove while moving her protective gear. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12070423 Wasn't she wearing level 2 equivalent PPE while ebola is a level 4 virus? In that case it really wouldn't matter same way with the 95 mask it is simply not enough. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26820346 United States 10/08/2014 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus Dr. Brantly acquired Ebola while strictly following CDC guidelines (simple mask, goggles, or face shield, gloves, gown, leg covering, shoe covers), so it is likely he became infected by inhaling contaminated droplet nuclei into his lungs or having them settle into his conjunctival (eye) sacs despite the use of CDC level protection against direct contact. Dr. Brantly apparently did not use a full-face respirator with P-100 filters, but rather a simple or N-95 face mask. An interviewer noted that Quoting: DoorBert “Brantly says he isn't sure how he got infected. He's certain he didn't violate any [CDC] safety guidelines.” The United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases conducted a monkey to monkey Ebola study in December 1995, published in The Lancet, Vol. 346. (Here is a link to the abstract, but the entire article must be purchased.) [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Several Rhesus monkeys were infected with Zaire Ebola by intramuscular injection while three control Rhesus monkeys were kept in cages separated 10 feet from the infected monkeys. All of the injected monkeys died of Ebola by day 13 and 2 out of 3 control monkeys died of Ebola by 8 days after that. The authors of this study concluded that: "The exact mode of transmission to the control monkeys cannot be absolutely determined, although the pattern of pulmonary antigen staining in one of the control monkeys was virtually identical to that reported in experimental Ebola virus aerosol infection in rhesus monkeys, suggesting airborne transmission of the disease via infectious droplets... Fomite or contact droplet transmission of the virus between cages was considered unlikely. Standard procedures in our BL4 containment laboratories have always been successful in the prevention of transmission of Ebola or Marburg virus to uninflected animals. Thus, pulmonary, nasopharyngeal, oral, or conjunctival exposure to airborne droplets of the virus had to be considered as the most likely mode of infection... Our present findings emphasize the advisability of at-risk personnel employing precautions to safeguard against ocular, oral, and nasopharyngeal exposure to the virus." Read more: [link to www.americanthinker.com] Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook Why can't they figure out why a mask that only filters 95% of particles of a particular size did not protect him. This is on a good day and assuming there wasn't a ~0.5 micron leak somewhere. Seriously they cannot be that stupid. Good question! They know but I have not figured out at this point why there are so many conflicting statements. This level of infection control on ebola was commonly known and reported 15 years ago when I studied. These are all CDC and WHO recommendations that help to base how these policies are written. All I can say is the one time I had a run in in the field it was a follow the money trail kind of thing because the hospital did not want to fit test a p100 respirator for us but did want us break lines and open a vent to treat a TB patient whose particles are 2-4x the size of ebola. My partner and I had to threaten to walk out if they didn't do it for us. Policy changes and cheaper procedures because all they care about is profit. |
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User ID: 62726535 United States 10/08/2014 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus Dr. Brantly acquired Ebola while strictly following CDC guidelines (simple mask, goggles, or face shield, gloves, gown, leg covering, shoe covers), so it is likely he became infected by inhaling contaminated droplet nuclei into his lungs or having them settle into his conjunctival (eye) sacs despite the use of CDC level protection against direct contact. Dr. Brantly apparently did not use a full-face respirator with P-100 filters, but rather a simple or N-95 face mask. An interviewer noted that Quoting: DoorBert “Brantly says he isn't sure how he got infected. He's certain he didn't violate any [CDC] safety guidelines.” The United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases conducted a monkey to monkey Ebola study in December 1995, published in The Lancet, Vol. 346. (Here is a link to the abstract, but the entire article must be purchased.) [link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov] Several Rhesus monkeys were infected with Zaire Ebola by intramuscular injection while three control Rhesus monkeys were kept in cages separated 10 feet from the infected monkeys. All of the injected monkeys died of Ebola by day 13 and 2 out of 3 control monkeys died of Ebola by 8 days after that. The authors of this study concluded that: "The exact mode of transmission to the control monkeys cannot be absolutely determined, although the pattern of pulmonary antigen staining in one of the control monkeys was virtually identical to that reported in experimental Ebola virus aerosol infection in rhesus monkeys, suggesting airborne transmission of the disease via infectious droplets... Fomite or contact droplet transmission of the virus between cages was considered unlikely. Standard procedures in our BL4 containment laboratories have always been successful in the prevention of transmission of Ebola or Marburg virus to uninflected animals. Thus, pulmonary, nasopharyngeal, oral, or conjunctival exposure to airborne droplets of the virus had to be considered as the most likely mode of infection... Our present findings emphasize the advisability of at-risk personnel employing precautions to safeguard against ocular, oral, and nasopharyngeal exposure to the virus." Read more: [link to www.americanthinker.com] Follow us: @AmericanThinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook Why can't they figure out why a mask that only filters 95% of particles of a particular size did not protect him. This is on a good day and assuming there wasn't a ~0.5 micron leak somewhere. Seriously they cannot be that stupid. Good question! They know but I have not figured out at this point why there are so many conflicting statements. This level of infection control on ebola was commonly known and reported 15 years ago when I studied. These are all CDC and WHO recommendations that help to base how these policies are written. All I can say is the one time I had a run in in the field it was a follow the money trail kind of thing because the hospital did not want to fit test a p100 respirator for us but did want us break lines and open a vent to treat a TB patient whose particles are 2-4x the size of ebola. My partner and I had to threaten to walk out if they didn't do it for us. Policy changes and cheaper procedures because all they care about is profit. Well, it figures I guess. Under Obamacare, it's probably enough to hold a t-shirt over your face while treating the sick! deplorably republican |
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User ID: 59487586 United States 10/08/2014 09:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus Anyone who read The HOT Zone knows this. Amazing that the CDC states otherwise. Last Edited by girlie45 on 10/08/2014 10:02 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59358295 United States 10/08/2014 09:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus so ask why they are lying all this time about it not being airborne if they knew this since 1995. Then ask why they isolate the people in a hospital and not allow them all over the wards, and then allow them to travel all over the world. sounds like a set up to allow a pandemic to evolve. |
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User ID: 59487586 United States 10/08/2014 10:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus Thank you for this thread! This has been my feeling all along...that because the CDC guidelines are much looser than those of USAMRIID, that is why the health professionals are getting sick. I read The Hot Zone soon after it first came out in 1984 and reread it again just a few months ago, and it is very clear that the CDC guidelines are not adequate. The study that is cited in the article about the monkeys getting infected without direct contact with one another is detailed in the book. It happened in Reston, VA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50985861 I have wondered for the last few days WHY USAMRIID has not weighed in on this issue in the press. The Spanish nurse that got infected was wearing Level Two protection, and apparently the hospital thought it was enough for a Level Four biohazard! And yet they persist with the notion that the virus is not airborne. The CDC's 'kinder, gentler' version of Ebola is clearly bullshit, and could possibly be the end of us. My heart is sick. I would urge anyone that hasn't read it to read The Hot Zone. It is available on Kindle for only 4.99. It is chock full of great factual info but written in a way that the layperson can understand. At least it gives a clearer picture of what we are really dealing with here. I agree. It scared the crapola out of me when I read it again recently. |
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Anonymous Coward 10/08/2014 10:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases: Ebola is Airborne - Same Transmission as the Flu Virus So the most important points from the vid are that it can be absorbed through the skin, and in that way its spread is even easier than the flu which has to be inhaled, etc. She also says it's undoubtedly weaponized. She said the death toll is highest when it's inhaled. |
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