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Is rape, really rape????

 
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When I was 19 I was tricked /conned into fking two women -not bi just horny one night,in retrospect I should have seen it coming /pun intended your honor but they got me drunk on whiskey-truth.God bless them they did nothing wrong we are all human but if had been the other way around I would be an ex prisoner still on the sex offenders list until i die.
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When I was 19 I was tricked /conned into fking two women -not bi just horny one night,in retrospect I should have seen it coming /pun intended your honor but they got me drunk on whiskey-truth.God bless them they did nothing wrong we are all human but if had been the other way around I would be an ex prisoner still on the sex offenders list until i die.
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And BTW it made me feel more like a man than most of my so called girlfriends lovers wife and still does.
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I'm sure you know you'll catch hell for your question but, some situations can be really hard to judge. If he was drunk also, does that make him a victim as well? I'm not familiar with the case and , no, I did not do the research, but I'm sure not every single allegation of rape is in fact rape.

Without being there, some cases are impossible to to judge.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1453912


Yes, I deffo caught hell with this thread! Lol...

Note how it's mostly women that are jumping on the defence though!

Crying rape happens all the time.....Especially when under the influence of alcohol....

I'm not condoning rape whatsoever, obviously, it one of the most horrific acts to be involved in if you were truly forced....but, the sad fact is that some women do actually lie about it.

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I can't believe how some of you, would 100% trust the justice system for confirmation of legitimacy....

It shocks me to the core!
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Rape is when anyone is forced to have sex against their will. So I guess I am dumbfounded at what a stupid question you've asked. Is rape really rape? Well duh.
 Quoting: DontBeSuchAGiantWeiner


Or their ability to make a decision has been removed. Such as when a date rape drug is put in their drink without their knowledge.
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10/18/2014 05:54 AM
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If the woman isn't injured then it's NOT rape. There must be atleast grip bruises on her arms.

The argument that he charm raped me with his hypnotic powers is bullshit ladies. Shouldn't have put yourself in that situation and if rape is really so life crushing then you should have fought back, regardless of the consequences.

No injury? No rape.
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In addition many and MOST rapes agree in a situation where the woman doesn't know the man and is attacked, not at parties.

Has society really lost the definition of rape? REALLY?
 Quoting: CeeLite


Yes society has truly lost it....

This young footballer, met a young girl.....CCTV footage proves they went in to the hotel room, together, drunk....

Later, she denied being drunk, and stated that he, forced her in his room wtf
 Quoting: ShowGirls


Yes but your post opens with the general question so is it about this situation or in general?

Here if a woman is intoxicated a guy shoudn't have sex with her period. This is known.
 Quoting: CeeLite


Yeah. It is like playing with a loaded gun. Who may have PMS. Or may be looking for something else ($$). The onus is on the guy to prove it was not rape. Guilty until proven innocent. Which is fine, as long as BOTH PARTIES UNDERSTAND THAT BEFORE GETTING NEEKID LOOKING TO BANG. This is where the girl has to be grown up also. If you are leading a guy into a trap, fuck you and don't cry rape if it doesn't end up the way you want it. A girl has as much a responsibility to walk away as the guy. NOW, if the girl is drugged, beaten up or forced, well that is an entirely different thing. NO MEANS NO until you're butt as naked willingly saying "fuck me stud" and then decide that was the wrong idea in the morning. Be an adult and act responsibly and don't pull the rape card. Other people who have truly been raped suffer because of it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64176516


That's why you use an alias. Call it a nickname if you want. When I take a slut out of the bar I tell her my name is Dexter Longfellow. I giver her an email to contact me by. An unregistered email set up specifically for that reason. I don't give a number. And I don't let her see my car or license plate. Since I typically bang the hoes in a bathroom or dark alley I don't have to take them home. They can't claim anything if they don't know who you are.
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10/18/2014 06:44 AM
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If the woman isn't injured then it's NOT rape. There must be atleast grip bruises on her arms.

The argument that he charm raped me with his hypnotic powers is bullshit ladies. Shouldn't have put yourself in that situation and if rape is really so life crushing then you should have fought back, regardless of the consequences.

No injury? No rape.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24953754


What about when a person is drugged?

No bruises- No rape?

What about fear and intimidation?Some women won't fight back because they don't have the physical strength or fear an even worse response from their attacker

You sound like a perverted and sick individual who can't get a women through normal means and resorts to drink and drugs to get women to have sex with him.

You probably jerk off in your mothers underwear.

iamwith
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10/18/2014 06:55 AM
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NO means NO.

If she was drugged or drunk beyond comprehension, it is rape.
If she said NO, it means rape.

Just because the rapist is some stupid football player, it doesn't give him a free pass to rape.

My body, my choice. NO means NO.
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If the woman isn't injured then it's NOT rape. There must be atleast grip bruises on her arms.

The argument that he charm raped me with his hypnotic powers is bullshit ladies. Shouldn't have put yourself in that situation and if rape is really so life crushing then you should have fought back, regardless of the consequences.

No injury? No rape.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24953754


What about when a person is drugged?

No bruises- No rape?

What about fear and intimidation?Some women won't fight back because they don't have the physical strength or fear an even worse response from their attacker

You sound like a perverted and sick individual who can't get a women through normal means and resorts to drink and drugs to get women to have sex with him.

You probably jerk off in your mothers underwear.

iamwith
 Quoting: Ranger 17824167


Well of course drugging a bizzo and giving her penis would be rape. That goes without saying.

But the whole 'intimidation' thing is total bullshit. What is a guy a snake charmer or something and are women really that weak minded as you say? Because they can be willed into sex? That theory is exactly what we're talking about.

Women hate taking responsibility for anything. It is one of their major flaws. And this issue of alleged rape is a prime example of that.

If a chick is out drinking with a group of guys and gets raped then it is her fault. Plane and simple.

I know you chicks want to be one of the guys and you expect to be protected and all that perfect world happy horse shit thinking that makes you retarded. He fact of the matter is, you'll always be a blow up doll to men. That is reality. If you put yourself in a position to get raped then YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT RAPE. End of story. Stop convincing yourself that you are somehow special or immune. Guys who rape don't give a fuck about you. You are a wet vagina, nothing more. And that will never change. It's been the same way for 10,000 years. If you don't want to get raped then exercise a couple IQ points. Don't get in a position of rape. And carry a pistol. Thats the world you live in.

Don't attack me for telling you the truth. I'm a good guy, married 20 years with a beautiful family. I'm just trying to educate you dumb ass women.
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10/18/2014 07:31 AM
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A women chooses to drink, chooses to get intoxicated, and chooses to accompany a guy to his/her room. These actions to me indicate a desire, or at least an acqiescence, to the likelihood of sex. Accordingly, I'd vote to acquit if I was on a jury.

A women MUST take responsibility for her actions. Men are hard-wired to seduce and the normal process is for the women to make pro-forma protestations before finally submitting.

Actual affirmative consent to sex is a rarity in western countries, and probably in all countries.
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If the woman isn't injured then it's NOT rape. There must be atleast grip bruises on her arms.
The argument that he charm raped me with his hypnotic powers is bullshit ladies. Shouldn't have put yourself in that situation and if rape is really so life crushing then you should have fought back, regardless of the consequences.
No injury? No rape.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24953754

What about when a person is drugged?
No bruises- No rape?
What about fear and intimidation?Some women won't fight back because they don't have the physical strength or fear an even worse response from their attacker
You sound like a perverted and sick individual who can't get a women through normal means and resorts to drink and drugs to get women to have sex with him.
You probably jerk off in your mothers underwear.
 Quoting: Ranger 17824167


Well of course drugging a bizzo and giving her penis would be rape. That goes without saying.

But the whole 'intimidation' thing is total bullshit. What is a guy a snake charmer or something and are women really that weak minded as you say? Because they can be willed into sex? That theory is exactly what we're talking about.
Women hate taking responsibility for anything. It is one of their major flaws. And this issue of alleged rape is a prime example of that.
If a chick is out drinking with a group of guys and gets raped then it is her fault. Plane and simple.
I'm a good guy, married 20 years with a beautiful family. I'm just trying to educate you dumb ass women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24953754


Now you are back-tracking.

You are not a "good guy" either, you are a scum-bag and ,if you are married,is already "touching" his own kids and justifying his actions with the phrase "They led meon, officer....".

"If a chick is out drinking with a group of guys and gets raped then it is her fault."-What more can I say about your thought process that led you to this conclusion?

I really don't want to engage in conversation with some-one as warped and dangerous as you. Your posts leave me feeling queasy and slightly nauseous.

iamwith
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NO means NO.

If she was drugged or drunk beyond comprehension, it is rape.
If she said NO, it means rape.

Just because the rapist is some stupid football player, it doesn't give him a free pass to rape.

My body, my choice. NO means NO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628775


Deal with reality! If you get drunk or knowingly drugged, it's YOUR choice, and you WILL have sex, but it won't be rape. It will be YOUR fault.

Rape is forcible and there needs to be loud protestation and screaming unless you're being forced or threatened with a weapon. Lacking loudness, some indication of violence is necessary.

Women that are violently raped should get convictions. Those who submit because they "don't mind" sex too much are not raped, they are simply seduced. That's the only way most guys ever get sex.
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In college some buddies and I went camping and after all the chicks left, one girls stayed around. We were all pretty drugged up. Had lots of weed and coke. I was sitting on top of a picnic table and the chick put her head on my lap and ended up blowing me. I screwed her on the picnic table and when I was done she went in a tent with one of my buddies. She was drunk as hell but conscious and walking. She was a notorious slut though and myself and four of my friends ended up fucking her that night.

In the morning she woke up in a panic cause she was late for work. Her boss fired her so she said that she got raped. He was like where is the police report so she went to the cop shop and claimed rape but the cop was like how did you get here. She was like I drove here. She reeked of booze so he gave her a breathalizer and she failed it! At 9 AM. And she went straight into a cell and the cop laughed at her about the rape charge.

No THAT is justice.
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Seduction is NOT rape.
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If the woman isn't injured then it's NOT rape. There must be atleast grip bruises on her arms.
The argument that he charm raped me with his hypnotic powers is bullshit ladies. Shouldn't have put yourself in that situation and if rape is really so life crushing then you should have fought back, regardless of the consequences.
No injury? No rape.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24953754

What about when a person is drugged?
No bruises- No rape?
What about fear and intimidation?Some women won't fight back because they don't have the physical strength or fear an even worse response from their attacker
You sound like a perverted and sick individual who can't get a women through normal means and resorts to drink and drugs to get women to have sex with him.
You probably jerk off in your mothers underwear.
 Quoting: Ranger 17824167


Well of course drugging a bizzo and giving her penis would be rape. That goes without saying.

But the whole 'intimidation' thing is total bullshit. What is a guy a snake charmer or something and are women really that weak minded as you say? Because they can be willed into sex? That theory is exactly what we're talking about.
Women hate taking responsibility for anything. It is one of their major flaws. And this issue of alleged rape is a prime example of that.
If a chick is out drinking with a group of guys and gets raped then it is her fault. Plane and simple.
I'm a good guy, married 20 years with a beautiful family. I'm just trying to educate you dumb ass women.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24953754


Now you are back-tracking.

You are not a "good guy" either, you are a scum-bag and ,if you are married,is already "touching" his own kids and justifying his actions with the phrase "They led meon, officer....".

"If a chick is out drinking with a group of guys and gets raped then it is her fault."-What more can I say about your thought process that led you to this conclusion?

I really don't want to engage in conversation with some-one as warped and dangerous as you. Your posts leave me feeling queasy and slightly nauseous.

iamwith
 Quoting: Im talking to a sicko 17824167


That's not my thinking. That is reality. Stop thinking like a teenie bopper for two seconds and try your best to be intelligent. These aren't my thoughts. I am telling you how it is in the real world. I tell my daughter the same thing. And she's never been raped.
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10/18/2014 08:01 AM
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If it wasn't rape she would have settled out of court.. But it could have been a conspiracy/setup to get him out of the game..who knows
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Or to change beliefs on rape and or rape laws and definitions.

Yeah too easy to be set up by anyone, so best to keep it in your garments outside of a public monogamous relationship.
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Rape is a horrible crime of hate and should always be punished. But we should be able to talk about it. Some people, after sex, suffer from slut shame, or hate men and even want some $$$. it shocks the militant politically correct that some women aren't innocent flowers of femininity, but its true: some women lie or have bad characters. And some men are horrible monster who abuse women. But we should be able to have clear headed talks about this.
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Rape is a horrible crime of hate and should always be punished. But we should be able to talk about it. Some people, after sex, suffer from slut shame, or hate men and even want some $$$. it shocks the militant politically correct that some women aren't innocent flowers of femininity, but its true: some women lie or have bad characters. And some men are horrible monster who abuse women. But we should be able to have clear headed talks about this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64222659


Exactly!! hf

I can't believe the amount of negativity I've had about this! Crying rape these days after a boozy night is becoming a trend....Just because you wake up the next morning feeling regret, doesn't mean you must have been raped! It's abysmal!
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Rape is an abhorrent crime.

False claims of rape even worse.

We have all read about these and i even know personally of 2 separate cases where this has happened. In both cases the lads were not convicted, one went to court the other before. The girls in both cases admitted to the false allegations but were not prosecuted. The lads are both scarred for life with big mistrust of women. Other women with a real rape situation are often unbelieved due to cases like this. I personally think their crime to be worse than rape.

A good thread but you are sure to be shouted down by some people, although good people, who have not thought about what is often happening in the real world.
Ready and Waiting
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is rape really rape???

no, woman should see it as a compliment that there are guys out there that think they are fuckable.
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Rape is an abhorrent crime.

False claims of rape even worse.

We have all read about these and i even know personally of 2 separate cases where this has happened. In both cases the lads were not convicted, one went to court the other before. The girls in both cases admitted to the false allegations but were not prosecuted. The lads are both scarred for life with big mistrust of women. Other women with a real rape situation are often unbelieved due to cases like this. I personally think their crime to be worse than rape.

A good thread but you are sure to be shouted down by some people, although good people, who have not thought about what is often happening in the real world.
 Quoting: Ready and Waiting


Exactly! People come on a conspiracy site full of heated and debatable topics....then start spewing hatred because they don't like the topic being discussed.

Crying rape happens a lot....I can't understand how some of these people on here are asleep to that fact.

hugs

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Rape is not about hatred. Women who think that are projecting. Men rape because they are selfish. Not because they hate women. Just because a man doesn't regard a woman as an equal doesn't mean he hates women. Chicks always jump to conclusions that are wrong.

Rape is quite simple. It is a man using his strength to bust a nut. Ladies don't flatter yourselves that you are THAT irresistible. Men who rape see a hole and a heartbeat. It can be any chick dumb enough to put herself in that position. Same goes for prison when other men get raped. It's not about you. It's about busting some nuts and walking away like you just took a shit. But chicks can't comprehend that because they assume that their vagina has value. They expect something in return which is why they get so pissed off. All women are inherently prostitutes so when they get used (robbed) they go to the cops. Doesn't matter if it was actually rape or not. A cold lover constitutes rape in the female brain.
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And for the record, it is blacks who commit over 90% of all rape.
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If the woman isn't injured then it's NOT rape. There must be atleast grip bruises on her arms.

The argument that he charm raped me with his hypnotic powers is bullshit ladies. Shouldn't have put yourself in that situation and if rape is really so life crushing then you should have fought back, regardless of the consequences.

No injury? No rape.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24953754


NO means NO.

If she was drugged or drunk beyond comprehension, it is rape.
If she said NO, it means rape.

Just because the rapist is some stupid football player, it doesn't give him a free pass to rape.

My body, my choice. NO means NO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 628775


Deal with reality! If you get drunk or knowingly drugged, it's YOUR choice, and you WILL have sex, but it won't be rape. It will be YOUR fault.

Rape is forcible and there needs to be loud protestation and screaming unless you're being forced or threatened with a weapon. Lacking loudness, some indication of violence is necessary.

Women that are violently raped should get convictions. Those who submit because they "don't mind" sex too much are not raped, they are simply seduced. That's the only way most guys ever get sex.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63702474


That is ridiculous. Here, where I live, there was a man that was breaking into single womens' homes and telling them that his 'buddy' was in the other room with their child, and, that he would give the order for the child to be killed if she resisted. One of the (3) victims was a grandmother who was terrified because she believed her 5 year old grand child was about to be raped as well.

Also, there are cases of rape where it is the employer and she is threatened with termination. There is rape where one is taken out into the country and told to submit or be left there. There is rape where it is a step father and a step child, and, the mother is threatened if the child doesn't comply. There are lots of ways that it is still rape, even without bruises. You are making it too simple, and, reality isn't that way.


Rape is an abhorrent crime.

False claims of rape even worse.

We have all read about these and i even know personally of 2 separate cases where this has happened. In both cases the lads were not convicted, one went to court the other before. The girls in both cases admitted to the false allegations but were not prosecuted. The lads are both scarred for life with big mistrust of women. Other women with a real rape situation are often unbelieved due to cases like this. I personally think their crime to be worse than rape.

A good thread but you are sure to be shouted down by some people, although good people, who have not thought about what is often happening in the real world.
 Quoting: Ready and Waiting


Exactly! People come on a conspiracy site full of heated and debatable topics....then start spewing hatred because they don't like the topic being discussed.

Crying rape happens a lot....I can't understand how some of these people on here are asleep to that fact.

hugs
 Quoting: ShowGirls


False Accusations are one thing. That means that the woman was not raped, but willing... However, being drunk doesn't mean that she wasn't raped. period.

I don't think anyone would be upset with you if you had stated your 'case' in a non-accusatory way. Your wording is of an accusatory nature because she was drinking, and, also since he was famous, why would he rape? Of course she was willing! That is how your thread comes across....

Had you presented both sides equally, and asked for opinions, no one would be upset about it. Surely, you can re-read your posts and understand that your reasoning was offensive....
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Ok, so I started this thread because.....I want to know.......When is rape, truly rape????

Here in the UK, A well known footballer, got sent down a few years ago....If you do your research.....and I reply, if you do you research, you will find that the footballer, got accused, and got found guilty.....of rape, and had to serve 3 or 4 years....

But if you do your research, you will find that, the woman, even though there was CCTV footage of her going into his hotel room (as well as others)....looked somewhat........'sober'.....


[link to www.chedevans.com]


Yet she claimed rape......

Reasons?

Money?

Actual rape?

Or genuine 'drunken sex?'
 Quoting: ShowGirls


Your topic choice proves one thing. YOU ARE A CUNT!





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