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New Indicting Evidence
Of The 911 Coverup
From Craig T. Furlong
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7-26-6


The following information was emailed tonight, 07/25/06, to Drs. Fetzer and Jones with Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Hello, Drs. Fetzer and Jones,

Thank you for all your efforts and hard work in getting at the real truth about 9/11.

I discovered last night information I think you should see. It is about the discrepancy in the precise times of the airplane impacts into the Towers:

Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University vs the 9/11 Commission Report.

The bottom line (I am a corporate controller) is that according to the differences, the seismic readings happened before the planes hit.

Last night and tonight I sent two posts to Liberty Forum about this, and so I am copying and pasting them here for you (as they tell the entire matter; or at least enough to get you thinking).

I have looked high and low, but can not find this new information anywhere on the internet.

Post to Conspiracy 911 7/24/06

WTC7 must be the focal point to exposing the govt's coverup...HOWEVER I'd like to take a sharp turn if I may and give you something else to think about:

The official 9/11 Commission Report (your tax dollars wasted) states the following:

[link to www.9-11commission.gov]

Impact time, AA Flt 11: 8:46:40 a.m.

Impact time, UA Flt 175: 9:03:11 a.m.

.......HOWEVER,

[link to www.ldeo.columbia.edu]

the official data readings from Lamont-Doherty give the following seismic events:

time 8:46:26: 0.9 Richter, signal duration 12 seconds [reported as first impact, WTC1]

time 9:02:54: 0.7 Richter, signal duration 6 seconds [reported as second impact, WTC2]

Conclusion:

Two notable seismic events occurred before the planes ever hit the towers and were so close timewise to the actual impacts of the planes that Lamont-Doherty reported them as the impacts. The logical conclusion (which coincides with many eyewitnesses in the basements, e.g., William Rodriquez) is that these were explosives detonated to coincide with the aircraft hitting the towers. They were very close to getting the timing right. This is one time I'm going to believe the gov't; I think their times are correct, down to the second!

And, oh yes, getting back to WTC7, it did have quite a conflagration of fire that day on the south side of the building, and yes, it did have fairly large damage to the south face from debris of WTC1 hitting it...HOWEVER, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that these caused it to collapse IN NEAR-PERFECT SYMMETRY EXACTLY LIKE A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION; there is also no evidence to back a claim that support trusses for the floors 5 through 7 were damaged so as to cause the building to collapse.

Putting hypotheticals and conjectures aside (which are not evidence), we do have the fact that WTC7 fell in near-perfect symmetry at free-fall speed, exactly like a classic controlled demolition, and this is for all the world to see.

ONE OTHER THING: if you view the video "Eyewitness 9/11", you will see indisputable evidence by scientific sound analysis of the collapse of WTC1 that shows massive explosions occurred before the tower began to collapse; and, as would be expected, the first notable came from the basement.

[link to video.google.com]
7461603&q=9%2F11+eyewitness

A real investigation is needed NOW, and not like the first disgraceful one that didn't even resemble one.

Post to Conspiracy 911 7/25/06

Hiya, SlackerSlayer,

I read it differently. Here is what the Commission wrote about its task:

"The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks."

They failed miserably in the "full and complete account" part.

(see David Ray Griffin: "9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions")

[link to video.google.com]

BTW, I can't find evidence anywhere on the internet about the information contained herein this post, about the discrepancy of time of plane impacts [Lamont-Doherty vs the 9/11 Commission Report].

I discovered this last night when I thought it funny that Lamont-Doherty could even pickup seismic data from airplane impacts 80 floors up in the air. I thought that most of the energy would be absorbed by the building before it got down to the ground, so how could Lamont-Doherty pick up a seismic reading? That's when I noticed the time of impacts were precise and thought, "Hmm, I wonder what the official government times are for the impacts?...and are they precise also?...and, what if they're different?"

OK, I admit it; I was hoping I could find more evidence of duplicity and coverup.

AFTER ALL, WE ARE DEALING WITH MURDER AND TREASON

So, I ended up with this: The seismic readings happened before the planes hitHow could this be? What does this mean?

I can only come up with one conclusion: VERY LARGE EXPLOSION(S).

The Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University has its data precise to plus or minus one second, and just now I found that the 9/11 Commission based their times on FAA radar data and air traffic control software logic. (see note 130 in this link):

[link to www.insightful.com]

Actually, it was you who got this going, SlackerSlayer! You were questioning the claim from the skeptics that it took 18 seconds for WTC7 to come down in, and I knew they were referring (deceptively I might add) to the Lamont-Doherty data because I had seen it last week. When I went back to that data is when I found this huge discrepancy that leads directly to government coverup.

Thanks for your efforts, my friend.

FYI, I am forwarding this to the Scholars immediately because they have the best group going right now, and we are all in this together whether we like it or not.

Craig T. Furlong

Huntington Beach, California
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just out of curiosity, have you considered the radical idea that MAYBE THE TWO ORGANIZATION'S CLOCKS AREN'T SYNCHRONIZED!!!!??????!!!!!?????
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Reported accurate to within one second.
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to quote from Mr. Miagi



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and, in case you never saw it ....THERE WERE NO LARGE EXPLOSIONS UNTIL THE PLANES HIT!!!!!!!!!


(jesus, what a moron.)
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The second impact was recorded on TV so it should be easy to corroborate whether or not this is an accurate report.
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25000 people were in the buildings. 22000 of them can confirm that nothing was amiss until the planes hit. so can all the people on the street. so can I.


and - comparing times - it matters not if YOUR clock is accurate to the millisecond if MINE is not.
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"MAYBE THE TWO ORGANIZATION'S CLOCKS AREN'T SYNCHRONIZED!!!!??????!!!!!?????"

On the other hand, maybe they are within 1 second of the exact time.
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And maybe the dancing Israelis were just having a picnic party on the roof in NJ.
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"22000 of them can confirm that nothing was amiss until the planes hit."

To do that they would have had to have actually seen the airplanes and feel the major explosions.
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no, they just have to know that there is only one impact. the plane hitting a building is one obvious impact. your crazy idea is another impact. since the planes DEFINITELY hit, if there is only one impcat per building ( and there is ) then you are all wet ( and you are.)


and the israeli's were dancing beside the highway, the arabs were dancing on the roofs in NJ. ( get your conspiracies straight )
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Not according to their lawyer, 5855.

But not all of the eye-witnesses to the 9-11 slaughter were so saddened and sobered. On September 11, five Israeli army veterans were arrested by the FBI after several witnesses saw them Dancing, High-fiving and Celebrating as they took pictures of the World Trade Center disaster from across the river in New Jersey. Steven Gordon was the lawyer who volunteered to represent the five Israelis. He was asked by a Hebrew newspaper why the five men were being detained by the FBI. Here's what Gordon told Yediot America:

"On the day of the disaster, three of the five boys went up on the roof of the building where the company office is located," said Gordon. "I'm not sure if they saw the twin towers collapse, but, in any event, they photographed the ruins right afterwards. One of the neighbors who saw them called the police and claimed they were posing, dancing and laughing, against the background of the burning towers."

"Anyhow, the three left the roof, took an Urban truck, and drove to a parking lot, located about a five-minute drive from the offices. They parked, stood on the roof of the truck to get a better view of the destroyed towers and took photographs. A woman who was in the building above the lot testified that she saw them smiling and exchanging high-fives. She and another neighbor called the police and reported on Middle-Eastern looking people dancing on the truck. They copied and reported the license plates. (2)
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absolute, complete, and total bsflag bsmeter bsmeter2
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so many conflicting conspiracy theories, so little evidence of any.
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Maybe, maybe not.
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just out of curiosity, have you considered the radical idea that MAYBE THE TWO ORGANIZATION'S CLOCKS AREN'T SYNCHRONIZED!!!!??????!!!!!?????
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Hahahahaha, in the age of digital, almost everything is in sync.! Especially government clocks.
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no, they just have to know that there is only one impact. the plane hitting a building is one obvious impact. your crazy idea is another impact. since the planes DEFINITELY hit, if there is only one impcat per building ( and there is ) then you are all wet ( and you are.)


and the israeli's were dancing beside the highway, the arabs were dancing on the roofs in NJ. ( get your conspiracies straight )
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Oh ya, you are that Jewtard Zionist apologist.

Never mind him and don't respond to him either. He(5855) is UBER TROLL!
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Imagine that!


New Indicting Evidence
Of The 911 Coverup
From Craig T. Furlong
[email protected]
7-26-6


The following information was emailed tonight, 07/25/06, to Drs. Fetzer and Jones with Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Hello, Drs. Fetzer and Jones,

Thank you for all your efforts and hard work in getting at the real truth about 9/11.

I discovered last night information I think you should see. It is about the discrepancy in the precise times of the airplane impacts into the Towers:

Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University vs the 9/11 Commission Report.

The bottom line (I am a corporate controller) is that according to the differences, the seismic readings happened before the planes hit.

Last night and tonight I sent two posts to Liberty Forum about this, and so I am copying and pasting them here for you (as they tell the entire matter; or at least enough to get you thinking).

I have looked high and low, but can not find this new information anywhere on the internet.

Post to Conspiracy 911 7/24/06

WTC7 must be the focal point to exposing the govt's coverup...HOWEVER I'd like to take a sharp turn if I may and give you something else to think about:

The official 9/11 Commission Report (your tax dollars wasted) states the following:

[link to www.9-11commission.gov]

Impact time, AA Flt 11: 8:46:40 a.m.

Impact time, UA Flt 175: 9:03:11 a.m.

.......HOWEVER,

[link to www.ldeo.columbia.edu]

the official data readings from Lamont-Doherty give the following seismic events:

time 8:46:26: 0.9 Richter, signal duration 12 seconds [reported as first impact, WTC1]

time 9:02:54: 0.7 Richter, signal duration 6 seconds [reported as second impact, WTC2]

Conclusion:

Two notable seismic events occurred before the planes ever hit the towers and were so close timewise to the actual impacts of the planes that Lamont-Doherty reported them as the impacts. The logical conclusion (which coincides with many eyewitnesses in the basements, e.g., William Rodriquez) is that these were explosives detonated to coincide with the aircraft hitting the towers. They were very close to getting the timing right. This is one time I'm going to believe the gov't; I think their times are correct, down to the second!

And, oh yes, getting back to WTC7, it did have quite a conflagration of fire that day on the south side of the building, and yes, it did have fairly large damage to the south face from debris of WTC1 hitting it...HOWEVER, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that these caused it to collapse IN NEAR-PERFECT SYMMETRY EXACTLY LIKE A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION; there is also no evidence to back a claim that support trusses for the floors 5 through 7 were damaged so as to cause the building to collapse.

Putting hypotheticals and conjectures aside (which are not evidence), we do have the fact that WTC7 fell in near-perfect symmetry at free-fall speed, exactly like a classic controlled demolition, and this is for all the world to see.

ONE OTHER THING: if you view the video "Eyewitness 9/11", you will see indisputable evidence by scientific sound analysis of the collapse of WTC1 that shows massive explosions occurred before the tower began to collapse; and, as would be expected, the first notable came from the basement.

[link to video.google.com]
7461603&q=9%2F11+eyewitness

A real investigation is needed NOW, and not like the first disgraceful one that didn't even resemble one.

Post to Conspiracy 911 7/25/06

Hiya, SlackerSlayer,

I read it differently. Here is what the Commission wrote about its task:

"The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks."

They failed miserably in the "full and complete account" part.

(see David Ray Griffin: "9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions")

[link to video.google.com]

BTW, I can't find evidence anywhere on the internet about the information contained herein this post, about the discrepancy of time of plane impacts [Lamont-Doherty vs the 9/11 Commission Report].

I discovered this last night when I thought it funny that Lamont-Doherty could even pickup seismic data from airplane impacts 80 floors up in the air. I thought that most of the energy would be absorbed by the building before it got down to the ground, so how could Lamont-Doherty pick up a seismic reading? That's when I noticed the time of impacts were precise and thought, "Hmm, I wonder what the official government times are for the impacts?...and are they precise also?...and, what if they're different?"

OK, I admit it; I was hoping I could find more evidence of duplicity and coverup.

AFTER ALL, WE ARE DEALING WITH MURDER AND TREASON

So, I ended up with this: The seismic readings happened before the planes hitHow could this be? What does this mean?

I can only come up with one conclusion: VERY LARGE EXPLOSION(S).

The Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University has its data precise to plus or minus one second, and just now I found that the 9/11 Commission based their times on FAA radar data and air traffic control software logic. (see note 130 in this link):

[link to www.insightful.com]

Actually, it was you who got this going, SlackerSlayer! You were questioning the claim from the skeptics that it took 18 seconds for WTC7 to come down in, and I knew they were referring (deceptively I might add) to the Lamont-Doherty data because I had seen it last week. When I went back to that data is when I found this huge discrepancy that leads directly to government coverup.

Thanks for your efforts, my friend.

FYI, I am forwarding this to the Scholars immediately because they have the best group going right now, and we are all in this together whether we like it or not.

Craig T. Furlong

Huntington Beach, California
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Simple debunk: Seismos would have registered TWO events for each impact: the alleged "explosion" and subsequent impact for each building (the second one for each building probably being slightly lower on the scale due to it being higher up from the ground than the alleged explosions). If they only registered one event for each building, it doesnt really matter if they are not perfectly synced.
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Re: Seismos occurred 15 seconds before airplane impacted WTC on 9/11
Imagine that!


New Indicting Evidence
Of The 911 Coverup
From Craig T. Furlong
[email protected]
7-26-6


The following information was emailed tonight, 07/25/06, to Drs. Fetzer and Jones with Scholars for 9/11 Truth.

Hello, Drs. Fetzer and Jones,

Thank you for all your efforts and hard work in getting at the real truth about 9/11.

I discovered last night information I think you should see. It is about the discrepancy in the precise times of the airplane impacts into the Towers:

Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University vs the 9/11 Commission Report.

The bottom line (I am a corporate controller) is that according to the differences, the seismic readings happened before the planes hit.

Last night and tonight I sent two posts to Liberty Forum about this, and so I am copying and pasting them here for you (as they tell the entire matter; or at least enough to get you thinking).

I have looked high and low, but can not find this new information anywhere on the internet.

Post to Conspiracy 911 7/24/06

WTC7 must be the focal point to exposing the govt's coverup...HOWEVER I'd like to take a sharp turn if I may and give you something else to think about:

The official 9/11 Commission Report (your tax dollars wasted) states the following:

[link to www.9-11commission.gov]

Impact time, AA Flt 11: 8:46:40 a.m.

Impact time, UA Flt 175: 9:03:11 a.m.

.......HOWEVER,

[link to www.ldeo.columbia.edu]

the official data readings from Lamont-Doherty give the following seismic events:

time 8:46:26: 0.9 Richter, signal duration 12 seconds [reported as first impact, WTC1]

time 9:02:54: 0.7 Richter, signal duration 6 seconds [reported as second impact, WTC2]

Conclusion:

Two notable seismic events occurred before the planes ever hit the towers and were so close timewise to the actual impacts of the planes that Lamont-Doherty reported them as the impacts. The logical conclusion (which coincides with many eyewitnesses in the basements, e.g., William Rodriquez) is that these were explosives detonated to coincide with the aircraft hitting the towers. They were very close to getting the timing right. This is one time I'm going to believe the gov't; I think their times are correct, down to the second!

And, oh yes, getting back to WTC7, it did have quite a conflagration of fire that day on the south side of the building, and yes, it did have fairly large damage to the south face from debris of WTC1 hitting it...HOWEVER, there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that these caused it to collapse IN NEAR-PERFECT SYMMETRY EXACTLY LIKE A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION; there is also no evidence to back a claim that support trusses for the floors 5 through 7 were damaged so as to cause the building to collapse.

Putting hypotheticals and conjectures aside (which are not evidence), we do have the fact that WTC7 fell in near-perfect symmetry at free-fall speed, exactly like a classic controlled demolition, and this is for all the world to see.

ONE OTHER THING: if you view the video "Eyewitness 9/11", you will see indisputable evidence by scientific sound analysis of the collapse of WTC1 that shows massive explosions occurred before the tower began to collapse; and, as would be expected, the first notable came from the basement.

[link to video.google.com]
7461603&q=9%2F11+eyewitness

A real investigation is needed NOW, and not like the first disgraceful one that didn't even resemble one.

Post to Conspiracy 911 7/25/06

Hiya, SlackerSlayer,

I read it differently. Here is what the Commission wrote about its task:

"The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, an independent, bipartisan commission created by congressional legislation and the signature of President George W. Bush in late 2002, is chartered to prepare a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. The Commission is also mandated to provide recommendations designed to guard against future attacks."

They failed miserably in the "full and complete account" part.

(see David Ray Griffin: "9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions")

[link to video.google.com]

BTW, I can't find evidence anywhere on the internet about the information contained herein this post, about the discrepancy of time of plane impacts [Lamont-Doherty vs the 9/11 Commission Report].

I discovered this last night when I thought it funny that Lamont-Doherty could even pickup seismic data from airplane impacts 80 floors up in the air. I thought that most of the energy would be absorbed by the building before it got down to the ground, so how could Lamont-Doherty pick up a seismic reading? That's when I noticed the time of impacts were precise and thought, "Hmm, I wonder what the official government times are for the impacts?...and are they precise also?...and, what if they're different?"

OK, I admit it; I was hoping I could find more evidence of duplicity and coverup.

AFTER ALL, WE ARE DEALING WITH MURDER AND TREASON

So, I ended up with this: The seismic readings happened before the planes hitHow could this be? What does this mean?

I can only come up with one conclusion: VERY LARGE EXPLOSION(S).

The Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory at Columbia University has its data precise to plus or minus one second, and just now I found that the 9/11 Commission based their times on FAA radar data and air traffic control software logic. (see note 130 in this link):

[link to www.insightful.com]

Actually, it was you who got this going, SlackerSlayer! You were questioning the claim from the skeptics that it took 18 seconds for WTC7 to come down in, and I knew they were referring (deceptively I might add) to the Lamont-Doherty data because I had seen it last week. When I went back to that data is when I found this huge discrepancy that leads directly to government coverup.

Thanks for your efforts, my friend.

FYI, I am forwarding this to the Scholars immediately because they have the best group going right now, and we are all in this together whether we like it or not.

Craig T. Furlong

Huntington Beach, California
 Quoting: captain obvious 122613



Simple debunk: Seismos would have registered TWO events for each impact: the alleged "explosion" and subsequent impact for each building (the second one for each building probably being slightly lower on the scale due to it being higher up from the ground than the alleged explosions). If they only registered one event for each building, it doesnt really matter if they are not perfectly synced.
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Great response, dude. Shut this stupid thread down quickly.

The 9/11 tards never seem to to take their theories to the next step.

No concept of linear thinking.

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no, they just have to know that there is only one impact. the plane hitting a building is one obvious impact. your crazy idea is another impact. since the planes DEFINITELY hit, if there is only one impcat per building ( and there is ) then you are all wet ( and you are.)


and the israeli's were dancing beside the highway, the arabs were dancing on the roofs in NJ. ( get your conspiracies straight )
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STFU Cunt. Shill mother fucker. Shut down your fucking keyboard and shut the fuck up.
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