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Published my Murder Mystery, using unsolved cases in CA... Walnut Creek Police Dept upset. | |
Elfsong
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| Elfsong
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| ShillShank Reduction
User ID: 4151080 United States11/09/2014 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow... I was hoping that someone would have a suggestion to prove to the Walnut Creek police dept that they need to leave me alone. Quoting: Elfsong So what if they "want" you to pull your book. That hasn't ever stopped countless other authors. Grow a spine. Be one of the few journalists left in this world. You're not breaking a law. Put your big boy pants on or find a different job. No offense. |
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| Butthead
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| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/10/2014 12:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now that would be an excellent idea. I think the reason they are pissed is because they allowed the one good suspect to be deported back to Scotland. working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 38914320 United States11/10/2014 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it this case? [link to www.walnut-creek.org] Please be more forthcoming with what they have communicated to you re: their being upset. Dd they email, call, write? was the communication from them or from attorney(ies) representing them? Is your work fiction or non-fiction? If fiction, then they don't have a leg to stand on. What is your relationship to this crime or its participants, if any? If this your first published work or are you an established author? Are you self published, vanity published or e-published? Thanks in advance for your response if any. |
| Shirley U. Jest
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| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/10/2014 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it this case? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38914320 [link to www.walnut-creek.org] Please be more forthcoming with what they have communicated to you re: their being upset. Dd they email, call, write? was the communication from them or from attorney(ies) representing them? Is your work fiction or non-fiction? If fiction, then they don't have a leg to stand on. What is your relationship to this crime or its participants, if any? If this your first published work or are you an established author? Are you self published, vanity published or e-published? Thanks in advance for your response if any. Yes this is it. In my story, I go into greater detail on how the two police departments could not see eye to eye. I went through some of the police union newspapers and other published items for the San Francisco police and found that certain officers that tried to point out certain things were demoted and ended up quitting. I also mention that a few of the officers that were in charge of the investigation in Walnut Creek seemed to go out of their way to NOT investigate the murder. It was a mess. And since back in 1988 they did not have DNA testing and it was just starting to be used in crime investigation, the District Attorney would not allow the use until much later. By then, some of the evidence was degraded and they could not use it. working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24359147 United States11/10/2014 01:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it this case? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38914320 [link to www.walnut-creek.org] Please be more forthcoming with what they have communicated to you re: their being upset. Dd they email, call, write? was the communication from them or from attorney(ies) representing them? Is your work fiction or non-fiction? If fiction, then they don't have a leg to stand on. What is your relationship to this crime or its participants, if any? If this your first published work or are you an established author? Are you self published, vanity published or e-published? Thanks in advance for your response if any. Yes this is it. In my story, I go into greater detail on how the two police departments could not see eye to eye. I went through some of the police union newspapers and other published items for the San Francisco police and found that certain officers that tried to point out certain things were demoted and ended up quitting. I also mention that a few of the officers that were in charge of the investigation in Walnut Creek seemed to go out of their way to NOT investigate the murder. It was a mess. And since back in 1988 they did not have DNA testing and it was just starting to be used in crime investigation, the District Attorney would not allow the use until much later. By then, some of the evidence was degraded and they could not use it. General rule of thumb is intent. If all your info is public information and you're not pursuing a personal agenda other than the truth, it's unlikely that the legal system will find against you. It won't stop them from filing a motion, though, or dragging you into court. |
| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/10/2014 01:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it this case? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38914320 [link to www.walnut-creek.org] Please be more forthcoming with what they have communicated to you re: their being upset. Dd they email, call, write? was the communication from them or from attorney(ies) representing them? Is your work fiction or non-fiction? If fiction, then they don't have a leg to stand on. What is your relationship to this crime or its participants, if any? If this your first published work or are you an established author? Are you self published, vanity published or e-published? Thanks in advance for your response if any. Yes this is it. In my story, I go into greater detail on how the two police departments could not see eye to eye. I went through some of the police union newspapers and other published items for the San Francisco police and found that certain officers that tried to point out certain things were demoted and ended up quitting. I also mention that a few of the officers that were in charge of the investigation in Walnut Creek seemed to go out of their way to NOT investigate the murder. It was a mess. And since back in 1988 they did not have DNA testing and it was just starting to be used in crime investigation, the District Attorney would not allow the use until much later. By then, some of the evidence was degraded and they could not use it. General rule of thumb is intent. If all your info is public information and you're not pursuing a personal agenda other than the truth, it's unlikely that the legal system will find against you. It won't stop them from filing a motion, though, or dragging you into court. now that would be interesting. working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7379679 United States11/10/2014 01:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it this case? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38914320 [link to www.walnut-creek.org] Please be more forthcoming with what they have communicated to you re: their being upset. Dd they email, call, write? was the communication from them or from attorney(ies) representing them? Is your work fiction or non-fiction? If fiction, then they don't have a leg to stand on. What is your relationship to this crime or its participants, if any? If this your first published work or are you an established author? Are you self published, vanity published or e-published? Thanks in advance for your response if any. Yes this is it. In my story, I go into greater detail on how the two police departments could not see eye to eye. I went through some of the police union newspapers and other published items for the San Francisco police and found that certain officers that tried to point out certain things were demoted and ended up quitting. I also mention that a few of the officers that were in charge of the investigation in Walnut Creek seemed to go out of their way to NOT investigate the murder. It was a mess. And since back in 1988 they did not have DNA testing and it was just starting to be used in crime investigation, the District Attorney would not allow the use until much later. By then, some of the evidence was degraded and they could not use it. General rule of thumb is intent. If all your info is public information and you're not pursuing a personal agenda other than the truth, it's unlikely that the legal system will find against you. It won't stop them from filing a motion, though, or dragging you into court. now that would be interesting. I'm not a lawyer but have dealt with the legal system more than I cared to. My guess is that the police dept itself will do nothing. They won't have a case against you and it will draw attention. Individual officers may try to sue you for defamation. Just make sure you have your facts straight and be aware that you may have to hire a lawyer. I think it's quite unlikely that a jury or judge would rule against you but you may get hit with some legal costs. I judge that quite unlikely, especially as the case is so old. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 38914320 United States11/10/2014 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is it this case? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38914320 [link to www.walnut-creek.org] Please be more forthcoming with what they have communicated to you re: their being upset. Dd they email, call, write? was the communication from them or from attorney(ies) representing them? Is your work fiction or non-fiction? If fiction, then they don't have a leg to stand on. What is your relationship to this crime or its participants, if any? If this your first published work or are you an established author? Are you self published, vanity published or e-published? Thanks in advance for your response if any. Yes this is it. In my story, I go into greater detail on how the two police departments could not see eye to eye. I went through some of the police union newspapers and other published items for the San Francisco police and found that certain officers that tried to point out certain things were demoted and ended up quitting. I also mention that a few of the officers that were in charge of the investigation in Walnut Creek seemed to go out of their way to NOT investigate the murder. It was a mess. And since back in 1988 they did not have DNA testing and it was just starting to be used in crime investigation, the District Attorney would not allow the use until much later. By then, some of the evidence was degraded and they could not use it. Sounds like nonfiction to me and if you are using real names and say they seemed to purposely derail the investigation you are treading on libelous territory. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 38914320 United States11/10/2014 01:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Ms. Superduper
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 7379679 United States11/10/2014 02:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sounds like nonfiction to me and if you are using real names and say they seemed to purposely derail the investigation you are treading on libelous territory. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 38914320 that's intent. they'd have to show that it's an active investigation (almost certainly not after 25 years) and that the author had intent to derail. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 57796838 United States11/10/2014 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A similar thing happened in Fresno, CA years ago. The son of a murdered nightclub owner grew up and became a journalist in L.A. He did his own investigation of his father's murder and wrote a book about it that made the Fresno PD look bad and corrupt so they got pretty mad. Guess what they did? They solved the crime!! The book is called IN MY FATHER'S NAME by Mark Arax. Pretty good read. So perhaps the Walnut Creek PD will go to Scottland, get a confession and bring the killer to justice. Hang in there! |
| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/10/2014 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep... When I started digging into how the investigation was handled, I was shocked. It was like they had better things to do than try to solve the murder of a cop. working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
| tiger1
User ID: 63219621 United States11/10/2014 02:45 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep... When I started digging into how the investigation was handled, I was shocked. It was like they had better things to do than try to solve the murder of a cop. Do not let them intimidate you. Publish your book. IF they gave you something in writing requesting you pull the book, take it to the media. Nothing like free publicity ! Praise God from Whom all Blessings flow !!! |
| Thulsa
User ID: 1297609 United States11/10/2014 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep... When I started digging into how the investigation was handled, I was shocked. It was like they had better things to do than try to solve the murder of a cop. I'm a bit confused. Scotland is not like Mali or someplace. We do have extradition. They could, with Interpol involved, arrange a trip to Scotland to interview, etc. With enough info they could have a warrant issued, etc. Something's not right here... There is nothing quite as compelling as a bad idea whose time has come... Thulsa |
| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/10/2014 03:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep... When I started digging into how the investigation was handled, I was shocked. It was like they had better things to do than try to solve the murder of a cop. I'm a bit confused. Scotland is not like Mali or someplace. We do have extradition. They could, with Interpol involved, arrange a trip to Scotland to interview, etc. With enough info they could have a warrant issued, etc. Something's not right here... That's the point. They have evidence, however, the Attorney General keeps saying that there is not enough evidence to extradite. She even spent a year in jail back in Florida for a drug conviction (because her husband would not push for an attempted murder conviction). Then when she got out, the authorities dropped her in the office of ICE and she was immediately deported. working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/10/2014 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep... When I started digging into how the investigation was handled, I was shocked. It was like they had better things to do than try to solve the murder of a cop. Do not let them intimidate you. Publish your book. IF they gave you something in writing requesting you pull the book, take it to the media. Nothing like free publicity ! I did... It is called :For the Children.. the Goldberg Effect. One month later I get a call from someone claiming to be from the Walnut Creek Police Dept and they wanted me to come down to discuss my research. I refused. I am not going to walk into that trap. working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 9457499 United States11/10/2014 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep... When I started digging into how the investigation was handled, I was shocked. It was like they had better things to do than try to solve the murder of a cop. Another general rule - when something doesn't make sense, it's often because either you or the perps are missing some information. Quite often there are undisclosed relationships, hidden agendas. Sounds like at least one cop has an agenda. |
| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/10/2014 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep... When I started digging into how the investigation was handled, I was shocked. It was like they had better things to do than try to solve the murder of a cop. Another general rule - when something doesn't make sense, it's often because either you or the perps are missing some information. Quite often there are undisclosed relationships, hidden agendas. Sounds like at least one cop has an agenda. Of that.. I believe you are right. working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/11/2014 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yep... When I started digging into how the investigation was handled, I was shocked. It was like they had better things to do than try to solve the murder of a cop. Another general rule - when something doesn't make sense, it's often because either you or the perps are missing some information. Quite often there are undisclosed relationships, hidden agendas. Sounds like at least one cop has an agenda. This is why I started researching those who were suppose to investigate the murder. Turns out that the police officer was part of an undercover vice sting in San Fran and took a couple of the surveillance tapes. Question was... who was on the tapes and why did they want them back so bad? Should I get an attorney? Or just ignore the requests of the Police Department? I guess they figured that they can work with John Walsh's Most Wanted, because they controlled what was being released. They can't control me. Last Edited by Elfsong on 11/12/2014 01:48 PM working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
| Elfsong
(OP) User ID: 64776255 United States11/25/2014 09:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Came home from out of state, to find an Investigator on my doorstep. He wanted to talk to me about my research and where I found my information. Of course I refused and he was not happy. Something about hindering an ongoing investigation. I laughed at him. Let's see what their next step is going to be. Last Edited by Elfsong on 11/27/2014 02:58 AM working with Positive Thoughts will result in Positive Outcomes. |
