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The Pre-tribulation Rapture is Jesuit authored FALSE DOCTRINE!

 
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Daniel's Last Week of 7 Years will begin in September 2015!

The Rapture will occur BEFORE then!

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That is your opinion and your belief.

You might be right. You might be wrong.

I hope you are right.
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Here is the rule of thumb I go by when speaking of the rapture. Paul makes it very clear in 2 Thessalonians what has to happen BEFORE the rapture. Please bear in mind that Paul wrote 2nd Thessalonians precisely because that church misinterpreted the nature and timing of the rapture that Paul addressed in 1st Thessalonians, so be aware that he efforts to make it extremely clear in 2nd Thessalonians what has to happen BEFORE the "rapture" takes place, and those things are these:

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Why do you equate "the day of the Lord" with "the rapture"?
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If I may share my own personal revelation.

I believed in a pre-tribulation rapture. Namely because the Lord I knew is exceeding kind and merciful. Also, with all the people just SLAMMING on those who suggested a pre-tribulation rapture was possible, the scripture stating

"But if that evil servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming, and begins to beat his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunkards, the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth."

Spoken of in Matthew 24:48 seemed to be playing out before my eyes.

But that was BEFORE.

I had been praying rather abundantly to be shown whether pre-tribulation was right, or mid-trib, or if my entire concept of the tribulation was off, and I was given a dream that completely changed my mind.

Jesus was there. For the first time in my life I actually dreamed of Jesus. In the dream he stated "When Despicable Me arrives, I will raise up my spirit."

Admittedly I don't know what lifting up his spirit will look like or entail exactly, but it was a relief to me. Because I got the overall impression from the dream that this mean we would be leaving this earth ON or BEFORE September 23rd 2017. As it turns out Despicable Me 3 comes out in 2017 (this wasn't something I knew..I Googled it after the dream. I don't have kids and am 35. No reason to follow kid movies.)

This would put the "Rapture" sometime in 2017. Around the blowing of the last trumpet. I railed against this idea for MONTHS, because I couldn't imagine the Lord punishing the good people of this Earth like that. But as I reexamine the scriptures, I'm beginning to believe that the trumpets are actually just the Earth transforming into, or even purifying into, a place worthy of being called the Kingdom of the Lord.

Interestingly enough; Rev 11:11 is the scripture that details the two witnesses resurrection, right as the last trumpet is blown, and the Kingdom of God and of His Christ is declared.
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I am a watchman.
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You clearly think quite a bit of yourself and your opinion.
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If I may share my own personal revelation. ...
This would put the "Rapture" sometime in 2017. Around the blowing of the last trumpet. I railed against this idea for MONTHS, because I couldn't imagine the Lord punishing the good people of this Earth like that. But as I reexamine the scriptures, I'm beginning to believe that the trumpets are actually just the Earth transforming into, or even purifying into, a place worthy of being called the Kingdom of the Lord.

Interestingly enough; Rev 11:11 is the scripture that details the two witnesses resurrection, right as the last trumpet is blown, and the Kingdom of God and of His Christ is declared.
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Look, I'm sure you mean well. But consider these things:

1. Personal revelation will never contradict or trump written scripture.

2. The 7th trumpet in Rev. is of an angel and is a judgment of the wicked. The last trumpet Paul wrote about is of God and is a blessing. The phrase "last trumpet" has two possible applications in scripture: in the OT it was blown to signal the people of Israel to break camp and move out, and in the NT it was still blown at the Feast of Trumpets.

3. You can't just make up what the trumpets mean, you have to get it from scripture. And even after the 7th trumpet, there are still 7 bowls to come before Jesus descends to the earth to set up his kingdom. This is completely different and separate from Jesus taking us up to meet him in the air to be taken to "his Father's house".

4. The stated purpose of the final 7 years of Daniel's prophecy is to bring Israel back to God and finish its punishments, and to punish the unbelieving world. Neither of these purposes apply to the church. Whoever has put their faith in Jesus has already shared in His righteousness and cannot be judged again for our sins. We will only be judged by our actions to determine rewards.
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harpazo

seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).

to seize, catch up, snatch away


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What if the pre tribulation rapture is false doctrine setting people up into thinking they are being raptured when they are actually being taken to their deaths? Can you seriously not see how this could be a problem?
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This has been addressed a million times (and you didn't answer the question anyway):

Jesus will NOT ask people whether they want to go.
Jesus will NOT tell people to board a spaceship.
Jesus will NOT come down to earth at the Rapture.

Now tell us how it's "dangerous" to believe that Jesus will SNATCH US UP INTO THE AIR without waiting for us to make a last-minute decision. The angels DRAGGED LOT AGAINST HIS WILL out of Sodom, and this is one of the incidents Jesus used to describe the sudden, unanticipated SNATCHING of the righteous.

What part of "this won't be something we have to choose or figure out" isn't making sense to you?

What part of "sudden" and "involuntary" isn't clear?

Who is raptured depends on who is already saved. Nothing else. We either belong to Jesus or we don't. That is the sole factor of who is raptured. It has NOTHING to do with how righteous we are or how prepared we are. NOTHING!


We will be TAKEN BY FORCE when the real Jesus comes. Anyone who is told to choose to go somewhere should know that isn't the real Jesus.

One more time:

How can it be "dangerous" to hope for Jesus TAKING US SUDDENLY BY FORCE when only an impostor would tell us to choose whether or not to go somewhere?

Is this getting through yet?

And "what if" YOU are wrong? What if Jesus comes and finds you looking for the Antichrist and "beating your fellow servants" who simply took Him at his word? Now which teaching is dangerous?
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Jesus will NOT ask people whether they want to go.
Jesus will NOT tell people to board a spaceship.
Jesus will NOT come down to earth at the Rapture.

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What's your plan B when none of that happens and there is an angel in spiritual body that looks like a long passed on relative standing directly in front of you claiming he's come to take you to Christ?
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Read my words again.

What part of being SNATCHED involuntarily means I need a plan B? Since the real Jesus will SNATCH instead of invite, there is no need for a plan B. There will be NO invitation by anyone to "take me to Christ". JESUS HIMSELF will SNATCH us up to meet him.

What will YOU do for a plan B when Jesus snatches you away while you're beating your fellow servants over the timing of His return?
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the pre-tribulation rapture event is correct.
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The stated purpose of the final 7 years of Daniel's prophecy is to bring Israel back to God and finish its punishments, and to punish the unbelieving world. Neither of these purposes apply to the church. Whoever has put their faith in Jesus has already shared in His righteousness and cannot be judged again for our sins. We will only be judged by our actions to determine rewards.
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It is as if this has never occurred to so many people..
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Why do you think it is so very incredibly bad,

not to mention FALSE DOCTRINE!

that anyone believes they MIGHT!

meet Jesus Christ

on His timetable, clock, calendar...

MAYBE 3 1/2 OR EVEN 7 YEARS

before YOU do...


Why is that so bad???


Nobody has yet answered this question.


“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn" [Matt.13:30]

...

So many like OP are refusing to see the obvious.

"...as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all." [Luke 17:26]

On the very Day of the Rapture the most wicked will be destroyed!
...


Jesus did not reveal the post-Pentecost church to anyone, even his disciples. Jesus said "I WILL build my church", but the disciples, even after his resurrection, still expected him to set up the kingdom immediately, as they had no concept of a "church" that wasn't Israel. The word for church, ekklesia, referred to any gathering, even the angry mob that shouted "Great is Diana of the Ephesians!" for two hours, during Paul's missionary journies.

In other words, if you don't understand that Israel is not "the church", you'll get everything else wrong. There's no point in discussing prophecy with people who blend the two together, and that's a whole different debate.

I say all of that to make this point: What Jesus said in the Olivet Discourse had NOTHING to do with the church.

If you want to learn about any prophecies associated with the Rapture, you must read Paul. And whenever Paul talks about The Departure, he never links it to any signs or prior events, never associates it with any battles or disasters, never tells Christians to look for anyone but the real Christ coming in the air and snatching us up to meet him.

Basing rapture timing on the OT or the Gospels, on anyone but Paul who alone was given instructions for the church directly from Jesus Himself (Eph. 3:1-9, Col. 1:26), will lead you astray.

Remember Lot? The angels had to SNATCH him away by force. And in context, Jesus was saying that in the cases of Lot and Noah, the end would come without warning to those not watching. Stop trying to read into Jesus' words what the context won't allow.
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NewtonsOwn,

I believe in NOTHING but Jesus Christ.

I believe, and HOPE, that the Rapture is True.

Pre-Wrath is fine, Pre-Trib is even better, I'm good to go.


I want YOU

to tell ME

why YOU

say I

am wrong

and why

YOU

know better than me.
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I want to have this discussion with you, NewtonsOwn.

Can we have this discussion, NewtonsOwn?
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AC20545539,

We seem to be on the same page alone.

Thank you brother.
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AC20545539,

We seem to be on the same page alone.

Thank you brother.
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Further more these Feel so good rapture tards have no idea how they and the people who taught them this, witch for the most part consist of churches who emulate what they see and hear on TBN. They have no idea how they and their ilk bring this scripture to pass.

Eze 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?


In other words MY words.
For money, you tell people all they have to do is believe in Jesus and get you free pass to heaven.
All you have to to is CONvince a aimless soul that there is no way they will live through 7 years of terrible tribulation(which is a lie),see my previos post with out the mark of the beast. But wait there's more! Would if I were to tell you there is a easy way for you to miss ALL that? just believe on Jesus he will rapture you from the mean ole devil and his evil minions. But wait theres more. Yes folk more. You see Jesus told us this.

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Eph 6:19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel.


Yes folks your rapture tards will have you believe PAUL wrote that for nothing the same PAUL who wrote Thess4:16 Hahahahahahahaha I guess they will say you wont need the armour cause you wont see the the Devil.

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Mar 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
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Further more these Feel so good rapture tards have no idea how they and the people who taught them this, witch for the most part consist of churches who emulate what they see and hear on TBN. They have no idea how they and their ilk bring this scripture to pass.
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All lies. All aimed at people rather than ideas. All hatred and mockery. And all because we believe Jesus will come a few years sooner than you do. Absolutely pathetic "Christian" witness. You should be ashamed.

Read these words while looking in the mirror:

Eze 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?

In other words MY words.
For money, you tell people all they have to do is believe in Jesus and get you free pass to heaven.... just believe on Jesus he will rapture you from the mean ole devil and his evil minions. But wait theres more. Yes folk more. You see Jesus told us this.
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So, you don't even believe in salvation by faith alone, and you're wasting our time pretending to know Bible prophecy? Nothing but mockery and hatred for people who believe the scriptures, and you call yourself a Christian?

Hahahahahahahaha
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Yeah, that sums up your hateful, mocking attitude. Believe whatever you want; mock us all you want. Our faith is not shaken in the slightest.
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Further more these Feel so good rapture tards have no idea how they and the people who taught them this, witch for the most part consist of churches who emulate what they see and hear on TBN. They have no idea how they and their ilk bring this scripture to pass.
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All lies. All aimed at people rather than ideas. All hatred and mockery. And all because we believe Jesus will come a few years sooner than you do. Absolutely pathetic "Christian" witness. You should be ashamed.

Read these words while looking in the mirror:

Eze 13:19 And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?

In other words MY words.
For money, you tell people all they have to do is believe in Jesus and get you free pass to heaven.... just believe on Jesus he will rapture you from the mean ole devil and his evil minions. But wait theres more. Yes folk more. You see Jesus told us this.
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So, you don't even believe in salvation by faith alone, and you're wasting our time pretending to know Bible prophecy? Nothing but mockery and hatred for people who believe the scriptures, and you call yourself a Christian?

Hahahahahahahaha
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Yeah, that sums up your hateful, mocking attitude. Believe whatever you want; mock us all you want. Our faith is not shaken in the slightest.
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Your accusations are very interesting.

Now does this?

Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

Go with this?
2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
And this

Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.

Mat 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

In other words, are we being told we need the whole armour of God to stand against the DEVIL who will pretend to be GOD when he get here?

And of course the obvious question would be why all this information if we will be Pretrib raptured?
Which is a lie by the way.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha


And yes I know the Bible very well. Alot better than ewe.

And remember there is no love like tough love cause tough love is the only love.And that is why Christ did what he did for US.

You are the one saying Christs love is easy like a pretrib rescue.
The crucifixion was tough
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Your accusations are very interesting.
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No less so than yours. And remember, it was you who began making this personal. I guess that's the national sport around here.

Now does this...Go with this?
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You don't concern yourself with context at all, do you. Armor and suffering are the common lot of all Christians of all ages. That has NOTHING to do with a period of 7 years stated in scripture for the Jews and the unbelieving world, as I already explained earlier.

As for 2 Thes., you who laughably claim to know the Bible better in spite of not knowing its most basic teaching about salvation by faith, are very confused. Paul is writing to COMFORT the people that they were NOT in the tribulation, in spite of their suffering. Someone forged a letter claiming this, and Paul was writing to set them straight. THAT DAY, the Tribulation, will not come UNTIL two things happen:

1. The Departure (not "falling away", see the Greek)
2. The man of sin revealed

No. 1 is the Rapture; that comes first. Then the man of sin is revealed. Then the day of the Lord begins.

Easy peasy, unless you are bent on going through a time of suffering the world has never seen before, which no Christians of ANY other age went through, not even the apostles, so you can prove yourself a "super Christian" and boast about your exploits. But for Christians, we know our salvation is not due to our own righteousness, and so also our being "caught up" is not due to our own righteousness. You think God will be impressed with your bravado? You're in for a very unpleasant surprise. Sorry if that's too scary for you.


Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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Are you at the dentist getting laughing gas? Let me know when you're able to talk normally and have a civilized discussion.

Good luck with your plan to be counted with those who are unbelievers or Jews needing correction, since that's the stated purpose of the final 7 years. I'll be with Jesus.
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Is you eternalrythemfraud.


And no your the one who begged the people for money so you could go to the dentist. POS
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“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn" [Matt.13:30]

It's so important you understand how the above verse is lived out in the world today.

As men and women live out their lives day in day out with total disregard for the Lord's commandments, they are FIRST being bound or grouped together according to the evil things they're doing, to be burnt at a later Date!

That later Date is the Day of the Rapture, which is also the Day of Judgement.

The most wicked will be destroyed first on that Day!

"...the present heavens and earth, having been preserved, are being kept for fire until the Day of Judgment, when ungodly people will be destroyed." [2 Peter 3:7]

Then in the subsequent Weeks and Months the less wicked will also be destroyed, if they don't repent!

A few million will repent and will end up living in a World where love, righteousness peace and joy will reign by 2022.

On the other hand billions will not repent, and will therefore be destroyed before 2022!

"And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts." [Rev.9:21]

"And men were scorched with great heat, and they blasphemed the name of God who has power over these plagues; and they did not repent and give Him glory." [Rev.16:9]

"They blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and did not repent of their deeds." [Rev.16:11]

So many like OP are refusing to see the obvious.

"...as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all." [Luke 17:26]

Notice the above verse says "bind them in bundles to burn them" Which means there's a time lap between binding the tares into bundles and THEN burning them!

The actual "burning" will begin on the very Day the wheat [that is the saints] are gathered into the barn.

Which literally means the very Day all the saints receive their glorified bodies and ascend up into heaven.
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Is you eternalrythemfraud.


And no your the one who begged the people for money so you could go to the dentist. POS
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Are you having a moment? Who begged for money? No, I'm not eternal hyper faux or anyone else you know. Besides, what's a proud super-Christian like you doing listening to the likes of him anyway? Secret pre-tribber or something?

Look, you're grasping at straws and wallowing in the mud because you can't understand context or know the basics of salvation. Here it is:

If you want to be reconciled to God, you must put your faith in the Jesus who rose from the dead. Jesus died for us because we can never be righteous enough on our own. So nobody is saved by their own good deeds, not even by being a martyr (see 1 Cor. 13). Don't try to earn what can only be received as a gift. If you just trust in Jesus, he will return for you as he promised, and not allow you to suffer the wrath of God. Then you'll no longer wish to spread hate and mockery to those for whom Christ died. I hope you take the offer while there's still time.
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“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn" [Matt.13:30]

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Earlier I explained that the Olivet Discourse had nothing to do with the church, so it has nothing to do with the Rapture.
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“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn" [Matt.13:30]

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Earlier I explained that the Olivet Discourse had nothing to do with the church, so it has nothing to do with the Rapture.
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Everything the Lord taught IS for His true followers today, only the spiritually blind, apostates and hypocrites teach otherwise!
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“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn" [Matt.13:30]

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Earlier I explained that the Olivet Discourse had nothing to do with the church, so it has nothing to do with the Rapture.
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Everything the Lord taught IS for His true followers today, only the spiritually blind, apostates and hypocrites teach otherwise!
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Very judgmental of you, and very typical of those who hate the idea that Jesus will come sooner than they think.

There were saints before the church, and there will be saints after it. Paul spent most of his life as a Christian refuting and being persecuted by those who belief as you do.

Let the Holy Spirit enlighten you; I've given all the words I can give from scripture.
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I want to have this discussion with you, NewtonsOwn.

Can we have this discussion, NewtonsOwn?
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I'm finishing up at work right now friend, then I'll be happy to lay out my thought process on the matter. BTW, there is no judgement from me towards you, nor hatred, nor disrespect. I don't judge anyone for anything, especially other believers.

Doctrinal disagreements are going to happen, but I still love you in Christ. If you will listen with an open mind and be respectful, I would have no problem laying out my reasoning on the matter in about an hour or so.
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“First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn" [Matt.13:30]

 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


Earlier I explained that the Olivet Discourse had nothing to do with the church, so it has nothing to do with the Rapture.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20545539


Everything the Lord taught IS for His true followers today, only the spiritually blind, apostates and hypocrites teach otherwise!
 Quoting: INTHELORDSNAME


Very judgmental of you, and very typical of those who hate the idea that Jesus will come sooner than they think.

There were saints before the church, and there will be saints after it. Paul spent most of his life as a Christian refuting and being persecuted by those who belief as you do.

Let the Holy Spirit enlighten you; I've given all the words I can give from scripture.
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This is gettin good


Ewe talkin to me
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Is you eternalrythemfraud.


And no your the one who begged the people for money so you could go to the dentist. POS
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Are you having a moment? Who begged for money? No, I'm not eternal hyper faux or anyone else you know. Besides, what's a proud super-Christian like you doing listening to the likes of him anyway? Secret pre-tribber or something?

Look, you're grasping at straws and wallowing in the mud because you can't understand context or know the basics of salvation. Here it is:

If you want to be reconciled to God, you must put your faith in the Jesus who rose from the dead. Jesus died for us because we can never be righteous enough on our own. So nobody is saved by their own good deeds, not even by being a martyr (see 1 Cor. 13). Don't try to earn what can only be received as a gift. If you just trust in Jesus, he will return for you as he promised, and not allow you to suffer the wrath of God. Then you'll no longer wish to spread hate and mockery to those for whom Christ died. I hope you take the offer while there's still time.
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You say put your trust in Jesus but then you say you will be raptured and not be here to speak against satan.
When the WORD says to be his real mouthpiece. You don't think you will be here.So guess what? You wont be.


2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:



Luk 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luk 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luk 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

Exo_4:12 Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.

Mar_13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.



Your a for gainsayer. You and your friends know it and I know it

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First things first, Paul wrote 2nd Thessalonians because that church misinterpreted 1st Thessalonians. So Paul endeavoured to be very clear in 2nd Thessalonians as to the exact nature of Jesus Christ's return, and our gathering together to him. Christians who use 1st Thessalonians to justify rapture doctrine do not like to be reminded of this fact, because 2nd Thessalonians makes it very Crystal clear what has to happen before Christ returns.

Shortly after he wrote 1st Thessalonians, Paul heard that the people in Thessalonica were still having problems concerning the return of Christ. Some of them were thinking that the day of the Lord had already come. So Paul wrote the 2nd letter to correct that misconception.

There are certain things that must happen yet before Christ returns. Paul wrote a "falling away" will occur (2:3), the "man of sin" will be revealed (2:3), the one who now holds lawlessness back will be "taken out of the way" (2:7), there will be "signs and lying wonders" (2:9), and God will send a "strong delusion" upon those who refuse to love the truth (2:11). Christians should not expect the Lord to return until these things have occurred.

In 2:3-4, Paul tells us "let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God"

This is the abomination of desolation that takes place sometime during the mid point of the tribulation period. If Christ cannot return before this event takes place, and we know that it will take place during the mid point of the 7 year tribulation, then how can there be any pre-tribulation 2nd coming? Paul does not say Christ returns once in a secret rapture event, and then comes back again 7 year's later, he says he comes back ONCE, after all these things have taken place, and when he DOES come, it will be "as the lightning that flashes from one part under heaven to the other part under heaven, with the shout of the arch-Angel and the trumpet of God" and that he will destroy the anti-Christ with the spirit of his mouth and the brightness of his coming. In other words, this is not a secret rapture event, This is the Son of God coming down to the Earth in glory and power and every eye on earth will see him come.

The secret rapture event is simply false, and there is quite a bit more I could add to this from other books such as Zechariah, Isaiah, Revelation, Enoch, Jude, and others, but I have to get up early in the morning for work and I'll have to revisit this tomorrow night.





GLP