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In 2015, the world's most powerful atom smasher, the Large Hydron Collider, will restart. The particle accelerator has already discovered the Higgs boson, the so-called "God particle," and when it comes back online after two years spent on upgrades, researchers suggest it could discover other kinds of these God particles, as well as extra dimensions of reality and the identity of the mysterious dark matter that makes up most of the mass in the universe.

The largest of the LHC's magnets weigh 35 tons, and are about 50 feet (15 meters) long. They can generate a magnetic field more than 100,000 times more powerful than Earth's. These magnets require cooling from liquid helium, making the LHC the largest refrigerator in the world — the magnets operate at temperatures of minus 456.3 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 271.3 degrees Celsius), colder than outer space.

Now, the LHC is set to return in 2015 nearly twice as powerful as its first run from 2010 to 2013.

"Doubling the energy will have a huge impact on the search for new particles at LHC," said experimental particle physicist Gabriella Sciolla, of Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts, who works on the ATLAS experiment at the LHC. "The higher the energy, the heavier the particle one can possibly produce."

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we are fucked
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drama isn't it dangerous to build giant magnets when nobody even knows how magnets work???
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drama isn't it dangerous to build giant magnets when nobody even knows how magnets work???
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according to article:

'These magnets are made up of coils of filaments that, if they were unraveled, would stretch to the sun and back five times with enough left over for a few trips to the moon.'

sounds dangerous to me
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Maybe the magnets will give the earths magnetic core that extra boost to flip the magnetic poles. Yes we are fucked.
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we are fucked
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yes, I have a bad feeling about this.
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CERN’s Large Hadron Collider is set to be switched back on in March...

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me tel u collisions begin in 15 May.

Leave, leave Geneva, all of you. The counter Raypoz will exterminate. 9:44
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me tel u collisions begin in 15 May.

Leave, leave Geneva, all of you. The counter Raypoz will exterminate. 9:44
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may 15 was the first thing that came to mind, but I left it out intentionally to keep the eye on facts :)
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This this is designed to punch a hole through the 2 shields the surround the earth.

Alien craft are only able to get in and out of our airspace via worm holes open only at certain times. This will allow access anytime it is fired-up.
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There IS no risk. Stop inflaming a subject that is harmless. The simply fact you would post this mean you hold no knowledge on the subject. The LHC will not, can not cause harm to you, me, or anyone.

Please stop spreading false information.
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There IS no risk. Stop inflaming a subject that is harmless. The simply fact you would post this mean you hold no knowledge on the subject. The LHC will not, can not cause harm to you, me, or anyone.

Please stop spreading false information.
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where did I spread false information intentionally, be specific!
I just copied some info from a source in my first post.
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There IS no risk. Stop inflaming a subject that is harmless. The simply fact you would post this mean you hold no knowledge on the subject. The LHC will not, can not cause harm to you, me, or anyone.

Please stop spreading false information.
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still waiting for your answer, mr. AC from Iowa...
WHERE DID I SPREAD FALSE INFO ?? Still waiting....
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It's funny that people were afraid in the past that the LHC could create black holes and some people called those people delusional.

The guys from LHC tells us that it's impossible to create them according to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity but on the other hand, they admit that there are speculative theories and theory predicts that microscopic black holes decay rapidly and that hypothetical stable black holes can be shown to be harmless by studying the consequences of their production by cosmic rays. ( [link to press.web.cern.ch] )

So basically they see the theories about the production of cosmis rays as fact while we all know that theories will be changed over and over again when new convincing evidence arrives... with other words, what looks harmless today, can be dangerous tomorrow when theories change, still following me ?

A current textbook knowledge: a belief in the presence of “equal rights” between the two time scales, the one outside and the one downstairs in gravity. This is the canonical teaching in physics for 75 years – ever since 1939 when J. Robert Oppenheimer unwittingly laid the ground to this logical error in his ingenious paper, written jointly with Hartland Snyder, in which the physical existence of stellar black holes was first predicted. It is highly technical :
[link to journals.aps.org]

Following 1939, only the “Russian school” avoided the mentioned error by speaking of “frozen stars” rather than of “stellar black holes.” Eventually, however, peer pressure from the West caused this view to fall into oblivion following the end of the cold war. The once correctly recognized “freezing of time near a black hole” was forgotten by the profession.

Conventional understanding of radioactive elements needs some updating. When you accelerate matter past the speed of light it becomes radioactive...it emits radio waves while it is throwing off particles.

That's why they call it “radio active.” It has to do with the fact that the zone of isotopic stability inverts when you cross the speed of light. Atomic explosions in the stellar interior are violent enough to push motion past the speed of light, something that cannot be accomplished by electromagnetic means in particle accelerators.

For example, take U-236. Uranium is element #92, so it's natural mass is 184 (twice the element number) and the remaining 54 units of mass are “isotopic mass,” an accumulation of mass (neutrinos) that forms the 236 isotope. 184+52=236. Once U-236 is accelerated past the speed of light, the inversion takes place and the stable zone becomes 184-52 = 132. The atom has to throw off 104 units of mass (2x52) to become stable at FTL speed. This throwing off of isotopic mass is radioactive emission.

If you think back to the days of Bob Lazar and his claims that UFO propulsion used element 115… well, 115 has a natural mass of 230 and an estimated mass of 288, meaning there are 58 units of isotopic mass. 115 is highly unstable at speeds less than light, but only has a mass of 172 at FTL speeds, completely stable. Pull it out of the reactor, though, and you'll be bombarded with x-rays to the point of glowing in the dark.

This is why the FTL drives are never shut down. Which brings me to the reciprocal process, matter dropping from FTL to sub-light speeds.
X-Ray Emission: FTL to Sub-light Speed
When high-speed matter drops below the speed of light, it must reacquire the isotopic mass it lost.

In U-236, the FTL mass was only 132. When it drops back to sub-light speed, that mass must increase back up to 236 amu, which is kind of backwards radio, active emission on the other side of the speed of light boundary, the atom absorbs particles and emits x-rays, not radio waves, as it builds mass back.

All elements dropping from FTL motion to sub-light will emit x-rays, and all astronomical x-ray emitters are demonstrating this process, including our sun.
The only sub-light speeds in the sun are in the photosphere. Once you get deeper inside, the magnetic ionization level is much higher and the age limit destructions are constantly accelerating matter to FTL speeds, which is why the lower layers of the photosphere are a radio source—it is the boundary to FTL motion.
Every now and again, the sun burps12 and some FTL matter comes out from the core to the photosphere, immediately starts cooling and drops below the speed of light generating a burst of x-rays and a rapidly expanding plasma, a coronal mass ejection. Because of the reciprocal relation, FTL motion is expanding in time, so compressing in space. When it drops sub-light, that compression re-expands like a spatial explosion. So CMEs are a good indicator of how turbulent the core is at FTL velocities.

Now you know that the reciprocal process to radioactive emission is x-ray emission, and both have to do with crossing the FTL boundary (sub-light motion in 3D space to FTL motion in 3D time). FTL acceleration produces radioactivity; deceleration produces x-rays.

TO MAKE IT EASY AGAIN:
not everyone agrees to a lot of theories in science like the way x-rays are produced, still the guys at LHC use it as factual evidence to proof their point that a hypothetical stable black hole can be shown to be harmless by studying the consequences of their production by cosmic rays. ( [link to press.web.cern.ch] )

As long as there are multiple theories about how the universe works, you cannot use it as a valid ground to tell the world that creating microscopic black holes are harmless.

The movie Interstellar mentioned an emotional scene (a father suffering in his heart because the imperceptible slowing-down of time that holds true for him near a mega black hole implies that his beloved young daughter will no longer be a child on his impending return) is now an eye-opener for the whole planet to think about it again.
The once recognized “freezing of time near a black hole” was forgotten by the profession.

It's 'playing with fire' for sure
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There is no risk.

Microscopic black holes evaporate before they can grow. There's a well-known size limit for a stable black hole and LHC gets nowhere near that - even if it could generate microscopic black holes which is not certain.

Localized strong magnetic fields do not "punch a hole" in earth's magnetic field. It doesn't matter how strong a magnetic field is. It's all about energy. The energy of earth's magnetic field is immense compared to the energy in LHC magnets.

The energy of the colliding particles is comparable to that of two semis colliding. Yeah, the acceleration energy is huge, but the mass of particles is so small that the kinetic energy is mundane.

Radiation? LHC does not release lethal radiation. It's too well shielded and, believe me, accelerator people know how to shield their machines. If it did release so much radiation, no-one would be able to work in the vicinity of the ring.
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There IS no risk. Stop inflaming a subject that is harmless. The simply fact you would post this mean you hold no knowledge on the subject. The LHC will not, can not cause harm to you, me, or anyone.

Please stop spreading false information.
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still waiting for your answer, mr. AC from Iowa...
WHERE DID I SPREAD FALSE INFO ?? Still waiting....
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Sorry OP, that was my mischief. I was in a doomster mood.

This is a serious subject, as this coming Spring, for the first time in history, collisions will involve the possible production of heavy quanta and the much sort after, dark matter.

As in any 'experiment' there is an element of risk, of unknown reactions and or equipment failure, such as the quench systems that are designed to quickly shut down the beams in an emergency. However, imo the biggest risk lies with the chance of dimensional breach, which is feasible even at minute scale. This then very much supports the obscure ramblings of the entity.
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There is no risk.

Microscopic black holes evaporate before they can grow. There's a well-known size limit for a stable black hole and LHC gets nowhere near that - even if it could generate microscopic black holes which is not certain.

Localized strong magnetic fields do not "punch a hole" in earth's magnetic field. It doesn't matter how strong a magnetic field is. It's all about energy. The energy of earth's magnetic field is immense compared to the energy in LHC magnets.

The energy of the colliding particles is comparable to that of two semis colliding. Yeah, the acceleration energy is huge, but the mass of particles is so small that the kinetic energy is mundane.

Radiation? LHC does not release lethal radiation. It's too well shielded and, believe me, accelerator people know how to shield their machines. If it did release so much radiation, no-one would be able to work in the vicinity of the ring.
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the original article in first post clearly stated that the magnets can generate a magnetic field more than 100,000 times more powerful than Earth's, so this is an error ??

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There IS no risk. Stop inflaming a subject that is harmless. The simply fact you would post this mean you hold no knowledge on the subject. The LHC will not, can not cause harm to you, me, or anyone.

Please stop spreading false information.
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still waiting for your answer, mr. AC from Iowa...
WHERE DID I SPREAD FALSE INFO ?? Still waiting....
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Sorry OP, that was my mischief. I was in a doomster mood.

This is a serious subject, as this coming Spring, for the first time in history, collisions will involve the possible production of heavy quanta and the much sort after, dark matter.

As in any 'experiment' there is an element of risk, of unknown reactions and or equipment failure, such as the quench systems that are designed to quickly shut down the beams in an emergency. However, imo the biggest risk lies with the chance of dimensional breach, which is feasible even at minute scale. This then very much supports the obscure ramblings of the entity.
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no problem :)
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There is no risk.

Microscopic black holes evaporate before they can grow. There's a well-known size limit for a stable black hole and LHC gets nowhere near that - even if it could generate microscopic black holes which is not certain.

Localized strong magnetic fields do not "punch a hole" in earth's magnetic field. It doesn't matter how strong a magnetic field is. It's all about energy. The energy of earth's magnetic field is immense compared to the energy in LHC magnets.

The energy of the colliding particles is comparable to that of two semis colliding. Yeah, the acceleration energy is huge, but the mass of particles is so small that the kinetic energy is mundane.

Radiation? LHC does not release lethal radiation. It's too well shielded and, believe me, accelerator people know how to shield their machines. If it did release so much radiation, no-one would be able to work in the vicinity of the ring.
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Magnet quenching is a real danger, with only a small fraction (10-6) needed to quench a SM.
A quenched dipole will require a beam dump in a single turn - 7 TeV (720 MJ) dissipated in 89 ms!
An error in dumping the beam will expose accelerator components to serious radiation risk.

[link to www.lhc-closer.es]

It's still an experiment and errors are human. If we knew any outcome on forehand, it wouldn't be an experiment anymore and CERN wouldn't exist.
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It's funny that people were afraid in the past that the LHC could create black holes and some people called those people delusional.

The guys from LHC tells us that it's impossible to create them according to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity but on the other hand, they admit that there are speculative theories and theory predicts that microscopic black holes decay rapidly and that hypothetical stable black holes can be shown to be harmless by studying the consequences of their production by cosmic rays. ( [link to press.web.cern.ch] )

So basically they see the theories about the production of cosmis rays as fact while we all know that theories will be changed over and over again when new convincing evidence arrives... with other words, what looks harmless today, can be dangerous tomorrow when theories change, still following me ?

A current textbook knowledge: a belief in the presence of “equal rights” between the two time scales, the one outside and the one downstairs in gravity. This is the canonical teaching in physics for 75 years – ever since 1939 when J. Robert Oppenheimer unwittingly laid the ground to this logical error in his ingenious paper, written jointly with Hartland Snyder, in which the physical existence of stellar black holes was first predicted. It is highly technical :
[link to journals.aps.org]

Following 1939, only the “Russian school” avoided the mentioned error by speaking of “frozen stars” rather than of “stellar black holes.” Eventually, however, peer pressure from the West caused this view to fall into oblivion following the end of the cold war. The once correctly recognized “freezing of time near a black hole” was forgotten by the profession.

Conventional understanding of radioactive elements needs some updating. When you accelerate matter past the speed of light it becomes radioactive...it emits radio waves while it is throwing off particles.

That's why they call it “radio active.” It has to do with the fact that the zone of isotopic stability inverts when you cross the speed of light. Atomic explosions in the stellar interior are violent enough to push motion past the speed of light, something that cannot be accomplished by electromagnetic means in particle accelerators.

For example, take U-236. Uranium is element #92, so it's natural mass is 184 (twice the element number) and the remaining 54 units of mass are “isotopic mass,” an accumulation of mass (neutrinos) that forms the 236 isotope. 184+52=236. Once U-236 is accelerated past the speed of light, the inversion takes place and the stable zone becomes 184-52 = 132. The atom has to throw off 104 units of mass (2x52) to become stable at FTL speed. This throwing off of isotopic mass is radioactive emission.

If you think back to the days of Bob Lazar and his claims that UFO propulsion used element 115… well, 115 has a natural mass of 230 and an estimated mass of 288, meaning there are 58 units of isotopic mass. 115 is highly unstable at speeds less than light, but only has a mass of 172 at FTL speeds, completely stable. Pull it out of the reactor, though, and you'll be bombarded with x-rays to the point of glowing in the dark.

This is why the FTL drives are never shut down. Which brings me to the reciprocal process, matter dropping from FTL to sub-light speeds.
X-Ray Emission: FTL to Sub-light Speed
When high-speed matter drops below the speed of light, it must reacquire the isotopic mass it lost.

In U-236, the FTL mass was only 132. When it drops back to sub-light speed, that mass must increase back up to 236 amu, which is kind of backwards radio, active emission on the other side of the speed of light boundary, the atom absorbs particles and emits x-rays, not radio waves, as it builds mass back.

All elements dropping from FTL motion to sub-light will emit x-rays, and all astronomical x-ray emitters are demonstrating this process, including our sun.
The only sub-light speeds in the sun are in the photosphere. Once you get deeper inside, the magnetic ionization level is much higher and the age limit destructions are constantly accelerating matter to FTL speeds, which is why the lower layers of the photosphere are a radio source—it is the boundary to FTL motion.
Every now and again, the sun burps12 and some FTL matter comes out from the core to the photosphere, immediately starts cooling and drops below the speed of light generating a burst of x-rays and a rapidly expanding plasma, a coronal mass ejection. Because of the reciprocal relation, FTL motion is expanding in time, so compressing in space. When it drops sub-light, that compression re-expands like a spatial explosion. So CMEs are a good indicator of how turbulent the core is at FTL velocities.

Now you know that the reciprocal process to radioactive emission is x-ray emission, and both have to do with crossing the FTL boundary (sub-light motion in 3D space to FTL motion in 3D time). FTL acceleration produces radioactivity; deceleration produces x-rays.

TO MAKE IT EASY AGAIN:
not everyone agrees to a lot of theories in science like the way x-rays are produced, still the guys at LHC use it as factual evidence to proof their point that a hypothetical stable black hole can be shown to be harmless by studying the consequences of their production by cosmic rays. ( [link to press.web.cern.ch] )

As long as there are multiple theories about how the universe works, you cannot use it as a valid ground to tell the world that creating microscopic black holes are harmless.

The movie Interstellar mentioned an emotional scene (a father suffering in his heart because the imperceptible slowing-down of time that holds true for him near a mega black hole implies that his beloved young daughter will no longer be a child on his impending return) is now an eye-opener for the whole planet to think about it again.
The once recognized “freezing of time near a black hole” was forgotten by the profession.

It's 'playing with fire' for sure
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In 2015, the world's most powerful atom smasher, the Large Hydron Collider, will restart. The particle accelerator has already discovered the Higgs boson, the so-called "God particle," and when it comes back online after two years spent on upgrades, researchers suggest it could discover other kinds of these God particles, as well as extra dimensions of reality and the identity of the mysterious dark matter that makes up most of the mass in the universe.

The largest of the LHC's magnets weigh 35 tons, and are about 50 feet (15 meters) long. They can generate a magnetic field more than 100,000 times more powerful than Earth's. These magnets require cooling from liquid helium, making the LHC the largest refrigerator in the world — the magnets operate at temperatures of minus 456.3 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 271.3 degrees Celsius), colder than outer space.

Now, the LHC is set to return in 2015 nearly twice as powerful as its first run from 2010 to 2013.

"Doubling the energy will have a huge impact on the search for new particles at LHC," said experimental particle physicist Gabriella Sciolla, of Brandeis University in Waltham, Massachusetts, who works on the ATLAS experiment at the LHC. "The higher the energy, the heavier the particle one can possibly produce."

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Interesting...

I'm not nit-picking here but I'm almost positive I saw on NASA TV the other night that they have a 40meter, shit, I can't remember what they called it, I will go find it and come back and post link...

Sorry, I opened my big mouth...

BRB :)
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Here, I think it will be in this link:

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]

At any rate, I will go back to read OP...

Thanks for the info OP...as I'm sure you know the real reason why CERN was shut down...

The decay of carbon.
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Here, I think it will be in this link:

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]

At any rate, I will go back to read OP...

Thanks for the info OP...as I'm sure you know the real reason why CERN was shut down...

The decay of carbon.
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Which 'they' thought 'they' caused...lol...Nope ;)
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What are they looking for, again? Do they think it's fun to smash atoms together? Someone should smash their brains with the knowledge of the nature of intelligence.
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Re: LHC (CERN) 2015 Doubling the energy, officially looking for Extra Dimensions. (biggest CERN thread on GLP)
It's funny that people were afraid in the past that the LHC could create black holes and some people called those people delusional.

The guys from LHC tells us that it's impossible to create them according to the well-established properties of gravity, described by Einstein’s relativity but on the other hand, they admit that there are speculative theories and theory predicts that microscopic black holes decay rapidly and that hypothetical stable black holes can be shown to be harmless by studying the consequences of their production by cosmic rays. ( [link to press.web.cern.ch] )

So basically they see the theories about the production of cosmis rays as fact while we all know that theories will be changed over and over again when new convincing evidence arrives... with other words, what looks harmless today, can be dangerous tomorrow when theories change, still following me ?

A current textbook knowledge: a belief in the presence of “equal rights” between the two time scales, the one outside and the one downstairs in gravity. This is the canonical teaching in physics for 75 years – ever since 1939 when J. Robert Oppenheimer unwittingly laid the ground to this logical error in his ingenious paper, written jointly with Hartland Snyder, in which the physical existence of stellar black holes was first predicted. It is highly technical :
[link to journals.aps.org]

Following 1939, only the “Russian school” avoided the mentioned error by speaking of “frozen stars” rather than of “stellar black holes.” Eventually, however, peer pressure from the West caused this view to fall into oblivion following the end of the cold war. The once correctly recognized “freezing of time near a black hole” was forgotten by the profession.

Conventional understanding of radioactive elements needs some updating. When you accelerate matter past the speed of light it becomes radioactive...it emits radio waves while it is throwing off particles.

That's why they call it “radio active.” It has to do with the fact that the zone of isotopic stability inverts when you cross the speed of light. Atomic explosions in the stellar interior are violent enough to push motion past the speed of light, something that cannot be accomplished by electromagnetic means in particle accelerators.

For example, take U-236. Uranium is element #92, so it's natural mass is 184 (twice the element number) and the remaining 54 units of mass are “isotopic mass,” an accumulation of mass (neutrinos) that forms the 236 isotope. 184+52=236. Once U-236 is accelerated past the speed of light, the inversion takes place and the stable zone becomes 184-52 = 132. The atom has to throw off 104 units of mass (2x52) to become stable at FTL speed. This throwing off of isotopic mass is radioactive emission.

If you think back to the days of Bob Lazar and his claims that UFO propulsion used element 115… well, 115 has a natural mass of 230 and an estimated mass of 288, meaning there are 58 units of isotopic mass. 115 is highly unstable at speeds less than light, but only has a mass of 172 at FTL speeds, completely stable. Pull it out of the reactor, though, and you'll be bombarded with x-rays to the point of glowing in the dark.

This is why the FTL drives are never shut down. Which brings me to the reciprocal process, matter dropping from FTL to sub-light speeds.
X-Ray Emission: FTL to Sub-light Speed
When high-speed matter drops below the speed of light, it must reacquire the isotopic mass it lost.

In U-236, the FTL mass was only 132. When it drops back to sub-light speed, that mass must increase back up to 236 amu, which is kind of backwards radio, active emission on the other side of the speed of light boundary, the atom absorbs particles and emits x-rays, not radio waves, as it builds mass back.

All elements dropping from FTL motion to sub-light will emit x-rays, and all astronomical x-ray emitters are demonstrating this process, including our sun.
The only sub-light speeds in the sun are in the photosphere. Once you get deeper inside, the magnetic ionization level is much higher and the age limit destructions are constantly accelerating matter to FTL speeds, which is why the lower layers of the photosphere are a radio source—it is the boundary to FTL motion.
Every now and again, the sun burps12 and some FTL matter comes out from the core to the photosphere, immediately starts cooling and drops below the speed of light generating a burst of x-rays and a rapidly expanding plasma, a coronal mass ejection. Because of the reciprocal relation, FTL motion is expanding in time, so compressing in space. When it drops sub-light, that compression re-expands like a spatial explosion. So CMEs are a good indicator of how turbulent the core is at FTL velocities.

Now you know that the reciprocal process to radioactive emission is x-ray emission, and both have to do with crossing the FTL boundary (sub-light motion in 3D space to FTL motion in 3D time). FTL acceleration produces radioactivity; deceleration produces x-rays.

TO MAKE IT EASY AGAIN:
not everyone agrees to a lot of theories in science like the way x-rays are produced, still the guys at LHC use it as factual evidence to proof their point that a hypothetical stable black hole can be shown to be harmless by studying the consequences of their production by cosmic rays. ( [link to press.web.cern.ch] )

As long as there are multiple theories about how the universe works, you cannot use it as a valid ground to tell the world that creating microscopic black holes are harmless.

The movie Interstellar mentioned an emotional scene (a father suffering in his heart because the imperceptible slowing-down of time that holds true for him near a mega black hole implies that his beloved young daughter will no longer be a child on his impending return) is now an eye-opener for the whole planet to think about it again.
The once recognized “freezing of time near a black hole” was forgotten by the profession.

It's 'playing with fire' for sure
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Well, we can't stay ignorant forever...isn't that why the gods gave us fire in the first place?

Not to mention, IMO, CERN is telling the public it is for 'one thing' when in reality it is for *another*...

And with that I will shut my mouth and see myself out...
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Re: LHC (CERN) 2015 Doubling the energy, officially looking for Extra Dimensions. (biggest CERN thread on GLP)
We should be more worried about that damn super laser they're creating to create a tear in the fabric of space to see what falls out....





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