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A war against Russia would be impossible for NATO at the moment! | |
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(OP) User ID: 58276109 Sweden01/04/2015 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I still believe that this wouldn't matter though.. If a war between them breaks out, there will be nukes flying. Last Edited by Falter on 01/04/2015 09:59 PM "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66692423  Japan01/04/2015 10:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the NATO start to prepare for it (i mean the real Preparation and not the small Things) a Storm of Civil Resistance will start, for sure. You will see burning Towns and the major Cities in whole Europe! The US can make War because their Citizens are mostly stupid but Europeans are different! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63464352 United States01/04/2015 10:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the NATO start to prepare for it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66692423 (i mean the real Preparation and not the small Things) a Storm of Civil Resistance will start, for sure. You will see burning Towns and the major Cities in whole Europe! The US can make War because their Citizens are mostly stupid but Europeans are different! From what i've seen Europeans are just as stupid. Thousand years of history and they still fall for the same shit. |
| Falter
(OP) User ID: 58276109 Sweden01/04/2015 10:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope , it never happens Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 But still NATO wins Too many resources , can fight on multiple fronts Plus NATO ( Murica ) has been fighting wars ever since WW2 Lot of practice , and Russia looks good on paper only  "Has been fighting wars ever since WW2, Lot of practice" You should remember that those enemies have been pretty much talibans with AKs. The only thing that made NATO superior to the enemy were their air superiority (the only planes flying) and communication gear. Look at IS in Iraq for example, US special forces had to abort their mission because IS had light anti-air weapons somewhere on the ground. Now imagine a real enemy like Russia with equal tech and military equipment as the US. You should also remember that Russia has built most of the modern army for defense purposes. Russian troops have been mass training like crazy the last couple of years. Last Edited by Falter on 01/04/2015 10:43 PM "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63464352 United States01/04/2015 10:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope , it never happens Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 But still NATO wins Too many resources , can fight on multiple fronts Plus NATO ( Murica ) has been fighting wars ever since WW2 Lot of practice , and Russia looks good on paper only "Has been fighting wars ever since WW2, Lot of practice" You should remember that those enemies have been pretty much talibans with AKs. The only thing that made NATO superior to the enemy were their air superiority (the only planes flying). Look at IS in Iraq for example, US special forces had to abort their mission because IS had light anti-air weapons somewhere on the ground. Now imagine a real enemy like Russia with equal tech and military equipment. You should also remember that Russia has built most of the modern army for defense purposes. Russian troops have been mass training like crazy the last couple of years. I'm sure they abandoned their mission because it's simply not smart to put personnel in that much risk when not fully at war. Although never forget China's involvement in a conflict. China + Russia would be a very very damn near impossible chance to win. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63464352 United States01/04/2015 10:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That and we are gauging military prowess on technology the civilian populace knows about which we all know is barely the surface of Russias and the U.S.'s technology. If war were to breakout R&D would skyrocket. New tanks and planes coming out every year like cell phones. |
| Falter
(OP) User ID: 58276109 Sweden01/04/2015 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope , it never happens Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 But still NATO wins Too many resources , can fight on multiple fronts Plus NATO ( Murica ) has been fighting wars ever since WW2 Lot of practice , and Russia looks good on paper only "Has been fighting wars ever since WW2, Lot of practice" You should remember that those enemies have been pretty much talibans with AKs. The only thing that made NATO superior to the enemy were their air superiority (the only planes flying). Look at IS in Iraq for example, US special forces had to abort their mission because IS had light anti-air weapons somewhere on the ground. Now imagine a real enemy like Russia with equal tech and military equipment. You should also remember that Russia has built most of the modern army for defense purposes. Russian troops have been mass training like crazy the last couple of years. I'm sure they abandoned their mission because it's simply not smart to put personnel in that much risk when not fully at war. Although never forget China's involvement in a conflict. China + Russia would be a very very damn near impossible chance to win. Yeah China would change everything massively, no question about it. "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 64912781 United States01/04/2015 10:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nothing is impossible. just look at Ukraine, a bunch of mossad trained joos came out of nowhere and became their senior government officials, the retarded ukrainians didn't think twice but followed their orders to massacre their own countrymen. they surely will not hesitate to die for their joo masters. never underestimate the stupidity of human beings. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63464352 United States01/04/2015 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nothing is impossible. just look at Ukraine, a bunch of mossad trained joos came out of nowhere and became their senior government officials, the retarded ukrainians didn't think twice but followed their orders to massacre their own countrymen. they surely will not hesitate to die for their joo masters. never underestimate the stupidity of human beings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64912781 No doubt, once a land is occupied you have gorilla warfare like what you see in the American Revolution and in IRAQ which makes it very difficult of a occupying army to keep reign on things. |
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User ID: 63464352 United States01/04/2015 10:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nothing is impossible. just look at Ukraine, a bunch of mossad trained joos came out of nowhere and became their senior government officials, the retarded ukrainians didn't think twice but followed their orders to massacre their own countrymen. they surely will not hesitate to die for their joo masters. never underestimate the stupidity of human beings. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64912781 No doubt, once a land is occupied you have gorilla warfare like what you see in the American Revolution and in IRAQ which makes it very difficult of a occupying army to keep reign on things. FFS need to log in more to make edits. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 49570754 United States01/04/2015 10:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing When America fight , it's not only head on There is a bunch of stuff going on behind the curtains Disrupting the communications and internet Stirring some sh#t with opposition groups for "uprising" Media propaganda about killing babies and civilians Imposing sanctions And ofcourse bombing non military targets , infrastructure ,e onomy etc But seams like the strategy of USofA is to weaken the target first ,than attack With Russia , methinks the war has already started It's on |
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User ID: 63464352 United States01/04/2015 10:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 When America fight , it's not only head on There is a bunch of stuff going on behind the curtains Disrupting the communications and internet Stirring some sh#t with opposition groups for "uprising" Media propaganda about killing babies and civilians Imposing sanctions And ofcourse bombing non military targets , infrastructure ,e onomy etc But seams like the strategy of USofA is to weaken the target first ,than attack With Russia , methinks the war has already started It's on You can tell that by locating our defensive missiles. |
| Falter
(OP) User ID: 58276109 Sweden01/04/2015 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 When America fight , it's not only head on There is a bunch of stuff going on behind the curtains Disrupting the communications and internet Stirring some sh#t with opposition groups for "uprising" Media propaganda about killing babies and civilians Imposing sanctions And ofcourse bombing non military targets , infrastructure ,e onomy etc But seams like the strategy of USofA is to weaken the target first ,than attack With Russia , methinks the war has already started It's on Yup, the sanctions and oil/gas collapse was the start of the economic part of the war. But China turned away from the west to support Russia, which the US didn't think they would do. China, Russia and the US got the most advanced anti-hacking systems in the world. They are almost equally. So that will take a while... a few years. Last Edited by Falter on 01/04/2015 11:07 PM "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 41171143 United States01/04/2015 11:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 When America fight , it's not only head on There is a bunch of stuff going on behind the curtains Disrupting the communications and internet Stirring some sh#t with opposition groups for "uprising" Media propaganda about killing babies and civilians Imposing sanctions And ofcourse bombing non military targets , infrastructure ,e onomy etc But seams like the strategy of USofA is to weaken the target first ,than attack With Russia , methinks the war has already started It's on Yup, the sanctions and oil/gas collapse was the start of the economic part of the war. But China turned away from the west to support Russia, which the US didn't think they would do. China, Russia and the US got the most advanced anti-hacking systems in the world. They are almost equally. So that will take a while... a few years. Your problem Falter is you have swallowed so much russian propaganda and your love of russia as an underdog has warped your mind. You should hang out somewhere else as that sewer where your buds like zod and RT congregate. Russia is so scared of a war with NATO let alone the USA, they have tried every type of propaganda they can think of from destroying the dollar to flying antiquated junk around intimidating. Now I see the propaganda wave is trying the bluff approach. In reality, russia is clearly facing a 1998 style event in their financial system. They've spent billions trying to stabilize their system. Just three weeks ago the ruble approached near 80 to one with the dollar in day trading. Then you saw the lull where the US markets wound down for the holidays. When things get back rolling as usual in few days, I think the ruble crush is back. How is putin going to do anything with a financial collapse in his lap? |
| Falter
(OP) User ID: 58276109 Sweden01/04/2015 11:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 When America fight , it's not only head on There is a bunch of stuff going on behind the curtains Disrupting the communications and internet Stirring some sh#t with opposition groups for "uprising" Media propaganda about killing babies and civilians Imposing sanctions And ofcourse bombing non military targets , infrastructure ,e onomy etc But seams like the strategy of USofA is to weaken the target first ,than attack With Russia , methinks the war has already started It's on Yup, the sanctions and oil/gas collapse was the start of the economic part of the war. But China turned away from the west to support Russia, which the US didn't think they would do. China, Russia and the US got the most advanced anti-hacking systems in the world. They are almost equally. So that will take a while... a few years. Your problem Falter is you have swallowed so much russian propaganda and your love of russia as an underdog has warped your mind. You should hang out somewhere else as that sewer where your buds like zod and RT congregate. Russia is so scared of a war with NATO let alone the USA, they have tried every type of propaganda they can think of from destroying the dollar to flying antiquated junk around intimidating. Now I see the propaganda wave is trying the bluff approach. In reality, russia is clearly facing a 1998 style event in their financial system. They've spent billions trying to stabilize their system. Just three weeks ago the ruble approached near 80 to one with the dollar in day trading. Then you saw the lull where the US markets wound down for the holidays. When things get back rolling as usual in few days, I think the ruble crush is back. How is putin going to do anything with a financial collapse in his lap? Again, I stated facts and you come storming with the hate and anti-Putin/russia attitude. You're atleast not blind when it comes to the Russian economy and how US is behind the collapse, or did you just make a typo? "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66486356  United Kingdom01/05/2015 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 When America fight , it's not only head on There is a bunch of stuff going on behind the curtains Disrupting the communications and internet Stirring some sh#t with opposition groups for "uprising" Media propaganda about killing babies and civilians Imposing sanctions And ofcourse bombing non military targets , infrastructure ,e onomy etc But seams like the strategy of USofA is to weaken the target first ,than attack With Russia , methinks the war has already started It's on Yup, the sanctions and oil/gas collapse was the start of the economic part of the war. But China turned away from the west to support Russia, which the US didn't think they would do. China, Russia and the US got the most advanced anti-hacking systems in the world. They are almost equally. So that will take a while... a few years. Those two words I have extreme trouble with, the west, what is this West you speak of? In saying that I would need to mention that Britain for example, part of the ever deepening Northern Alliance (UK+Nordic Baltic 8) recently stated confidence that the RMB will be the next reserve currency, thats from the Uks Chancellor, and supported by the BoE. Russia does not have the scope or means to internationalise the RMB, or turn it into a reserve currency of worth. Nor should we mistake the gesture being made with the loan of the Elgin marbles to Russia, in 200 years they have never been loaned to anyone and, one of the reasons in claiming the marbles should stay in Britain was that they are to fragile to travel.. Thus reading the undertones, I would not like to say at this moment who is actually on whos side if something does kick off. |
| Falter
(OP) User ID: 58276109 Sweden01/05/2015 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 When America fight , it's not only head on There is a bunch of stuff going on behind the curtains Disrupting the communications and internet Stirring some sh#t with opposition groups for "uprising" Media propaganda about killing babies and civilians Imposing sanctions And ofcourse bombing non military targets , infrastructure ,e onomy etc But seams like the strategy of USofA is to weaken the target first ,than attack With Russia , methinks the war has already started It's on Yup, the sanctions and oil/gas collapse was the start of the economic part of the war. But China turned away from the west to support Russia, which the US didn't think they would do. China, Russia and the US got the most advanced anti-hacking systems in the world. They are almost equally. So that will take a while... a few years. Those two words I have extreme trouble with, the west, what is this West you speak of? In saying that I would need to mention that Britain for example, part of the ever deepening Northern Alliance (UK+Nordic Baltic 8) recently stated confidence that the RMB will be the next reserve currency, thats from the Uks Chancellor, and supported by the BoE. Russia does not have the scope or means to internationalise the RMB, or turn it into a reserve currency of worth. Nor should we mistake the gesture being made with the loan of the Elgin marbles to Russia, in 200 years they have never been loaned to anyone and, one of the reasons in claiming the marbles should stay in Britain was that they are to fragile to travel.. Thus reading the undertones, I would not like to say at this moment who is actually on whos side if something does kick off. [link to www.wsj.com] The west (Europe and US) tried to turn China against Russia. They have been pushing China to do their own sanctions against Russia for months now, which has now officially failed horrible for the west. If a war kicks off. China will stay neutral for as long as possible, why? Because they will make bank like crazy. But according to me and the things I have read, China will side with Russia and support their own goal, 'the rising east'. "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66486356 United Kingdom01/05/2015 12:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | One more thing Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49570754 When America fight , it's not only head on There is a bunch of stuff going on behind the curtains Disrupting the communications and internet Stirring some sh#t with opposition groups for "uprising" Media propaganda about killing babies and civilians Imposing sanctions And ofcourse bombing non military targets , infrastructure ,e onomy etc But seams like the strategy of USofA is to weaken the target first ,than attack With Russia , methinks the war has already started It's on Yup, the sanctions and oil/gas collapse was the start of the economic part of the war. But China turned away from the west to support Russia, which the US didn't think they would do. China, Russia and the US got the most advanced anti-hacking systems in the world. They are almost equally. So that will take a while... a few years. Those two words I have extreme trouble with, the west, what is this West you speak of? In saying that I would need to mention that Britain for example, part of the ever deepening Northern Alliance (UK+Nordic Baltic 8) recently stated confidence that the RMB will be the next reserve currency, thats from the Uks Chancellor, and supported by the BoE. Russia does not have the scope or means to internationalise the RMB, or turn it into a reserve currency of worth. Nor should we mistake the gesture being made with the loan of the Elgin marbles to Russia, in 200 years they have never been loaned to anyone and, one of the reasons in claiming the marbles should stay in Britain was that they are to fragile to travel.. Thus reading the undertones, I would not like to say at this moment who is actually on whos side if something does kick off. [link to www.wsj.com] The west (Europe and US) tried to turn China against Russia. They have been pushing China to do their own sanctions against Russia for months now, which has now officially failed horrible for the west. If a war kicks off. China will stay neutral for as long as possible, why? Because they will make bank like crazy. But according to me and the things I have read, China will side with Russia and support their own goal, 'the rising east'. That is the thing I don't see a "West" that is US and Europe.. I see something far more fractured, and different alliances emerging as the existing status quo/balance of power shifts. We can see Europe splitting down into 3 groups, the Northern Alliance with Britain, the Central Alliance with Germany and the South, who, well, I have no idea where they stand.. What I find interesting is that my country is setting up expeditionary forces that are non NATO, they can work with NATO, indeed they can work with anyone, but they are not NATOs to command, this 10,000 man spearhead force being created in Northern Europe is a non NATO/non EU force, and I think that is significant. If you want to create a show of force that says we are all on the same side, then these would have been NATOs to command. So that is why I do not see a "West" that others seem to present.. |
| Falter
(OP) User ID: 58276109 Sweden01/05/2015 12:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Falter Yup, the sanctions and oil/gas collapse was the start of the economic part of the war. But China turned away from the west to support Russia, which the US didn't think they would do. China, Russia and the US got the most advanced anti-hacking systems in the world. They are almost equally. So that will take a while... a few years. Those two words I have extreme trouble with, the west, what is this West you speak of? In saying that I would need to mention that Britain for example, part of the ever deepening Northern Alliance (UK+Nordic Baltic 8) recently stated confidence that the RMB will be the next reserve currency, thats from the Uks Chancellor, and supported by the BoE. Russia does not have the scope or means to internationalise the RMB, or turn it into a reserve currency of worth. Nor should we mistake the gesture being made with the loan of the Elgin marbles to Russia, in 200 years they have never been loaned to anyone and, one of the reasons in claiming the marbles should stay in Britain was that they are to fragile to travel.. Thus reading the undertones, I would not like to say at this moment who is actually on whos side if something does kick off. [link to www.wsj.com] The west (Europe and US) tried to turn China against Russia. They have been pushing China to do their own sanctions against Russia for months now, which has now officially failed horrible for the west. If a war kicks off. China will stay neutral for as long as possible, why? Because they will make bank like crazy. But according to me and the things I have read, China will side with Russia and support their own goal, 'the rising east'. That is the thing I don't see a "West" that is US and Europe.. I see something far more fractured, and different alliances emerging as the existing status quo/balance of power shifts. We can see Europe splitting down into 3 groups, the Northern Alliance with Britain, the Central Alliance with Germany and the South, who, well, I have no idea where they stand.. What I find interesting is that my country is setting up expeditionary forces that are non NATO, they can work with NATO, indeed they can work with anyone, but they are not NATOs to command, this 10,000 man spearhead force being created in Northern Europe is a non NATO/non EU force, and I think that is significant. If you want to create a show of force that says we are all on the same side, then these would have been NATOs to command. So that is why I do not see a "West" that others seem to present.. Wait, isn't the spearhead rapid response force a part of NATO? Can you link the stuff you are talking about? I'm a bit confused...  Are you 100% that you aren't talking about the NATO's rapid response force? Last Edited by Falter on 01/05/2015 12:19 PM "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66486356 United Kingdom01/05/2015 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66486356 Those two words I have extreme trouble with, the west, what is this West you speak of? In saying that I would need to mention that Britain for example, part of the ever deepening Northern Alliance (UK+Nordic Baltic 8) recently stated confidence that the RMB will be the next reserve currency, thats from the Uks Chancellor, and supported by the BoE. Russia does not have the scope or means to internationalise the RMB, or turn it into a reserve currency of worth. Nor should we mistake the gesture being made with the loan of the Elgin marbles to Russia, in 200 years they have never been loaned to anyone and, one of the reasons in claiming the marbles should stay in Britain was that they are to fragile to travel.. Thus reading the undertones, I would not like to say at this moment who is actually on whos side if something does kick off. [link to www.wsj.com] The west (Europe and US) tried to turn China against Russia. They have been pushing China to do their own sanctions against Russia for months now, which has now officially failed horrible for the west. If a war kicks off. China will stay neutral for as long as possible, why? Because they will make bank like crazy. But according to me and the things I have read, China will side with Russia and support their own goal, 'the rising east'. That is the thing I don't see a "West" that is US and Europe.. I see something far more fractured, and different alliances emerging as the existing status quo/balance of power shifts. We can see Europe splitting down into 3 groups, the Northern Alliance with Britain, the Central Alliance with Germany and the South, who, well, I have no idea where they stand.. What I find interesting is that my country is setting up expeditionary forces that are non NATO, they can work with NATO, indeed they can work with anyone, but they are not NATOs to command, this 10,000 man spearhead force being created in Northern Europe is a non NATO/non EU force, and I think that is significant. If you want to create a show of force that says we are all on the same side, then these would have been NATOs to command. So that is why I do not see a "West" that others seem to present.. Wait, isn't the spearhead rapid response force a part of NATO? Can you link the stuff you are talking about? I'm a bit confused... Are you 100% that you aren't talking about the NATO's rapid response force? yes the media did frame it that way, but here is the official Source... sorry, but it is a .gov website. [link to www.gov.uk (secure)] The Defence Secretary said: I am very pleased that we have signed a letter of intent with our partners to establish the Joint Expeditionary Force. This will be developed around the UK’s existing high readiness units and will provide a capability that can respond anywhere in the world, in any environment, as part of a coalition, or on behalf of international organisations such as the UN and NATO. We are stronger together. Our partners from Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands and Norway have all agreed to attach forces to the JEF when the time is right for us to stand together. The phrasing in the media is missleading.. "such as" is not the same as "part of" and the last part of that is quite interesting do you not think given that these are all NATO countries therefore standing together as part of NATO should be a given and not need this separate force. I just read the undertones and wonder, I am not saying it won't evolve as everyone thinks, West vs East, but this undertone has me questioning. |
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(OP) User ID: 58276109 Sweden01/05/2015 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Falter [link to www.wsj.com] The west (Europe and US) tried to turn China against Russia. They have been pushing China to do their own sanctions against Russia for months now, which has now officially failed horrible for the west. If a war kicks off. China will stay neutral for as long as possible, why? Because they will make bank like crazy. But according to me and the things I have read, China will side with Russia and support their own goal, 'the rising east'. That is the thing I don't see a "West" that is US and Europe.. I see something far more fractured, and different alliances emerging as the existing status quo/balance of power shifts. We can see Europe splitting down into 3 groups, the Northern Alliance with Britain, the Central Alliance with Germany and the South, who, well, I have no idea where they stand.. What I find interesting is that my country is setting up expeditionary forces that are non NATO, they can work with NATO, indeed they can work with anyone, but they are not NATOs to command, this 10,000 man spearhead force being created in Northern Europe is a non NATO/non EU force, and I think that is significant. If you want to create a show of force that says we are all on the same side, then these would have been NATOs to command. So that is why I do not see a "West" that others seem to present.. Wait, isn't the spearhead rapid response force a part of NATO? Can you link the stuff you are talking about? I'm a bit confused... Are you 100% that you aren't talking about the NATO's rapid response force? yes the media did frame it that way, but here is the official Source... sorry, but it is a .gov website. [link to www.gov.uk (secure)] The Defence Secretary said: I am very pleased that we have signed a letter of intent with our partners to establish the Joint Expeditionary Force. This will be developed around the UK’s existing high readiness units and will provide a capability that can respond anywhere in the world, in any environment, as part of a coalition, or on behalf of international organisations such as the UN and NATO. We are stronger together. Our partners from Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands and Norway have all agreed to attach forces to the JEF when the time is right for us to stand together. The phrasing in the media is missleading.. "such as" is not the same as "part of" and the last part of that is quite interesting do you not think given that these are all NATO countries therefore standing together as part of NATO should be a given and not need this separate force. I just read the undertones and wonder, I am not saying it won't evolve as everyone thinks, West vs East, but this undertone has me questioning. Hmm weird. But further down it says: "The force will provide the UK’s focus for developing flexible, rapid response forces for NATO" So I guess it's still 'a part' of NATO. "When the rich wage war, it's the poor who die." -Jean Paul Sartre "In modern war... you will die like a dog for no good reason." -Ernest Hemingway "China is a sleeping giant, Let her sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world." -Napoleon Bonaparte "Streets of Leningrad taught me one thing - if fight is inevitable, throw the first punch." -Vladimir Putin World War 3 prediction: Summer 2020. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66709884 United States01/05/2015 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When the NATO start to prepare for it Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66692423 (i mean the real Preparation and not the small Things) a Storm of Civil Resistance will start, for sure. You will see burning Towns and the major Cities in whole Europe! The US can make War because their Citizens are mostly stupid but Europeans are different! americans are stupid ???? fuck you, shit head. I agree with you but you can't talk like that about American citizens. our country has provided jobs for a lot of people around the world including your country. so fuck you. that said, some americans ( naggers ) are so stupid they have trouble tying their shoes and keeping their pants up. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66486356 United Kingdom01/05/2015 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66486356 That is the thing I don't see a "West" that is US and Europe.. I see something far more fractured, and different alliances emerging as the existing status quo/balance of power shifts. We can see Europe splitting down into 3 groups, the Northern Alliance with Britain, the Central Alliance with Germany and the South, who, well, I have no idea where they stand.. What I find interesting is that my country is setting up expeditionary forces that are non NATO, they can work with NATO, indeed they can work with anyone, but they are not NATOs to command, this 10,000 man spearhead force being created in Northern Europe is a non NATO/non EU force, and I think that is significant. If you want to create a show of force that says we are all on the same side, then these would have been NATOs to command. So that is why I do not see a "West" that others seem to present.. Wait, isn't the spearhead rapid response force a part of NATO? Can you link the stuff you are talking about? I'm a bit confused... Are you 100% that you aren't talking about the NATO's rapid response force? yes the media did frame it that way, but here is the official Source... sorry, but it is a .gov website. [link to www.gov.uk (secure)] The Defence Secretary said: I am very pleased that we have signed a letter of intent with our partners to establish the Joint Expeditionary Force. This will be developed around the UK’s existing high readiness units and will provide a capability that can respond anywhere in the world, in any environment, as part of a coalition, or on behalf of international organisations such as the UN and NATO. We are stronger together. Our partners from Denmark, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, the Netherlands and Norway have all agreed to attach forces to the JEF when the time is right for us to stand together. The phrasing in the media is missleading.. "such as" is not the same as "part of" and the last part of that is quite interesting do you not think given that these are all NATO countries therefore standing together as part of NATO should be a given and not need this separate force. I just read the undertones and wonder, I am not saying it won't evolve as everyone thinks, West vs East, but this undertone has me questioning. Hmm weird. But further down it says: "The force will provide the UK’s focus for developing flexible, rapid response forces for NATO" So I guess it's still 'a part' of NATO. For NATO or Other coalition operations.. [link to www.theguardian.com] what I picked up is how carefully this force has been framed as the NATO summit talked of 2 different forces being created, the so called Spearhead force that would enhance the existing NATO spearhead force and the Joint expeditionary Force. extract A Nato spokeswoman said the spearhead force is completely separate from a 10,000-strong British-led joint expeditionary force that is also being proposed. The spearhead group is a purely Nato concept whereas the British expeditionary force, which would be made up of troops from seven nations, could operate with the European Union and other multilateral organisations. The British plan would also have a wider remit, engaged in peacekeeping as well as crisis management. But a lot of crossover is inevitable as only half-a-dozen of the 28 member Nato countries have the capability to contribute significant military forces. British forces would almost certainly take part in the spearhead group. while I understand the whole concept of crossovers in these things the fact that the UK now has 3 forces that operate inside/outside of NATO/EU remit is something I find interesting. UK/NL Amphibious Force, the Combined Joint Expeditionary Force (UK/France) and this new Joint Expeditionary Force (UK+6 allies and an interested Canada) whatever it says it says conflict ahead.. but, I am still sceptical how it will evolve.. and why the need for so many forces that operate outside of existing remits, when the existing remits (NATO/EU) should be enough of a framework to operate within. |
