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Jury Nullification: Why Every American Needs to Learn This Taboo Verdict | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17162755  United States01/09/2015 12:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Totally agree, more people should know about it than do of course. ---- Off-topic, am tired tonight and was staring that the 2 clappa pics you posted side by side in your message. I'm super tired tonight and let my eyes become kinda unfocused, like I was trying to get a stereoscopic image to "pop". The 2 images merged and the one in the middle all of a sudden produced a marked 3d effect. Pretty cool - I'm about a foot or so away from my monitor. |
| Interdimensional warrior User ID: 66825571 United States01/09/2015 12:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does the foreman of jury address this when the jury returns back into the court room? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33088852 Is it still based on a guilty or not guilty verdict? Does the jury need to provide a note to the judge stating that law has been nullified and the case is dismissed? NO!!! The jury is NOT required to discuss how it came to its decision with ANYONE ,ever , at any time. they can if they choose to when the trial is concluded. No one in the courtroom can quiz them. the only thing that can be done is a poll of the jury, which is simply each member giving a verbal acknowledgement of his vote in open court. Is nullification ever mentioned? If so, when and where? How exactly is this suppose to work? Please explain it in clear & understandable terms. It would take one or more jurors aware of what it means who were reasonably good at communicating the concept to the other jurors during deliberation. It only takes one juror to exercise the prerogative to nullify to prevent a conviction, but if the others are wanting to let the accused off all you really have to do is inform them they can vote whatever way they want and no one can say a damned thing to them. |
The Old Timer
 User ID: 64134821 United States01/09/2015 07:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mentioning I understand the duties of a juror, including nullification if my consciousness demands it has gotten me removed from the pools of jury duty twice. Quoting: Chills 36337429 Easy way out of jury duty Chills Haha.....never use the term when your a juror....I have been on so many jury's I have lost count....only once have I found it necessary to vote guilty.....God knows you all know how I feel about voting as it is.....I always have been able to vote not guilty....love hung jury's Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
| The Old Timer
User ID: 64134821 United States01/09/2015 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I do that just for that reason.....stumbled on a post where someone had done that.....found myself staring at them.....then the merge.....I enjoy life Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 33088852 United States01/09/2015 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| The Old Timer
User ID: 64134821 United States01/09/2015 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This leads me to my next question. If the jury nullifies the law (doesn't agree with it), does the state legislature repeal that law in the next session base on the jury's ruling? If this isn't done, then you could have people found guilty & not guilty for the same alleged crime. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33088852 Yes...just like an honest judge would rule....it would then be up to the state to appeal the decision Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
| The Old Timer
User ID: 64134821 United States01/09/2015 08:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NEVER FORGET....when there is a jury....they are in charge....not the judge.....he is there to serve the jury....I once reminded a judge of that.....he was visibly upset.....however he did comply I have questioned authority since I was 10....so I have 80 years practice upsetting the apple cart Last Edited by The Old Timer on 01/09/2015 09:00 AM Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
| Turtles Voice
User ID: 64861579 United States01/09/2015 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Interesting stuff - I have jury duty next month. "In order to arrive at what you are not, You must go through the way in which you are not." -TS Eliot [link to www.turtlesvoice.com] Momma Said Write A Book About It - New novel [link to www.amazon.com (secure)] [link to www.facebook.com (secure)] |
| Sungaze_At_Dawn
User ID: 62256035  Canada01/09/2015 09:17 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And yes, I did know that about Jury's. Last Edited by Sungaze_At_Dawn on 01/09/2015 09:17 AM The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63276930 United States01/09/2015 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correct. If you believe cops, politicians, bankers, and judges are terrorists...you don't have to convict people who kill them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48081938 Believing in jury nullification is also a great way to get off the jury duty list. 15 years ago I wrote down my views on a juror questionnaire form and have not been selected since. Real Americans who are not sheep very rarely get picked to serve on juries. indeed, they have a pre selected crew of hateful old people whose grandkids are cops, they vote how they are told to |
| The Old Timer
User ID: 64134821 United States01/09/2015 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correct. If you believe cops, politicians, bankers, and judges are terrorists...you don't have to convict people who kill them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48081938 Believing in jury nullification is also a great way to get off the jury duty list. 15 years ago I wrote down my views on a juror questionnaire form and have not been selected since. Real Americans who are not sheep very rarely get picked to serve on juries. indeed, they have a pre selected crew of hateful old people whose grandkids are cops, they vote how they are told to That is an apt description of every states Grand Jury system Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 63276930 United States01/09/2015 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correct. If you believe cops, politicians, bankers, and judges are terrorists...you don't have to convict people who kill them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48081938 Believing in jury nullification is also a great way to get off the jury duty list. 15 years ago I wrote down my views on a juror questionnaire form and have not been selected since. Real Americans who are not sheep very rarely get picked to serve on juries. indeed, they have a pre selected crew of hateful old people whose grandkids are cops, they vote how they are told to That is an apt description of every states Grand Jury system both of my neighbors in their late 80s think america is fucked i was selected for jury duty last year, but they cancelled juries that week. the chances of convincing all 11 idiots of nullifying is slim to none, at least vote not guilty, only takes one |
| The Old Timer
User ID: 64134821 United States01/09/2015 09:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Correct. If you believe cops, politicians, bankers, and judges are terrorists...you don't have to convict people who kill them. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 48081938 Believing in jury nullification is also a great way to get off the jury duty list. 15 years ago I wrote down my views on a juror questionnaire form and have not been selected since. Real Americans who are not sheep very rarely get picked to serve on juries. indeed, they have a pre selected crew of hateful old people whose grandkids are cops, they vote how they are told to That is an apt description of every states Grand Jury system both of my neighbors in their late 80s think america is fucked i was selected for jury duty last year, but they cancelled juries that week. the chances of convincing all 11 idiots of nullifying is slim to none, at least vote not guilty, only takes one That is correct.....you hold a winning hand.....play it close to the vest....IMHO Lets go Brandon!! What doesn't kill us...makes us more interesting Either you live for something worth dying for....or you rot away and die on the installment plan quote: Mr Bill when I post something....I will remove any post I find disrespectful or offensive..... |
| Ralph--a house dog
User ID: 66720419 United States01/09/2015 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hopefully more and more people will become aware of this. I and my family have been telling others about it for years, usually with positive reception even from a few I'd thought were brain dead. People are starting to grasp at ways to fight back against tyranny. "Do Not Go Gentle into that Good Night.....Rage, rage against the dying of the light"-----Dylan Thomas HIS NAME IS SETH RICH [link to biblicalselfdefense.com] [link to forum.1111ers.blog] Always remember that "for the greater good" will not include YOU. "Who decides?" ---Robert A. Heinlein -'Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.'—Benjamin Franklin [link to www.westcoasttruth.com] The only thing worth paying full retail for is pantyhose. You cannot do all of the good the world needs, but the world needs all of the good you can do. |
| s. d. butler
User ID: 974819 United States01/09/2015 10:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does the foreman of jury address this when the jury returns back into the court room? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33088852 Is it still based on a guilty or not guilty verdict? Does the jury need to provide a note to the judge stating that law has been nullified and the case is dismissed? NO!!! The jury is NOT required to discuss how it came to its decision with ANYONE ,ever , at any time. they can if they choose to when the trial is concluded. No one in the courtroom can quiz them. the only thing that can be done is a poll of the jury, which is simply each member giving a verbal acknowledgement of his vote in open court. Is nullification ever mentioned? If so, when and where? How exactly is this suppose to work? Please explain it in clear & understandable terms. It works like this.......... Lets say someone was arrested for growing a few cannabis plants and had about an ounce at their house. The State tries to portray this person as running a criminal enterprise and wants to throw that person in jail for 20+ years. If you on the jury decide that the State is full of it and don't agree with cannabis prohibition, you vote the person not guilty. If the entire jury votes not to convict that person and finds the person not guilty, that is nullification. I had a friend who had something like that happen. He had the balls to go to court and the jury found him not guilty, therefore nullification happened. My friend said the judge was extremely pissed off and he just laughed at him. If people did this again and again, the law people are against is certainly nullified. correct me if I'm wrong but it only takes one individual or several with a conscience to nullify. I believe that juries have to reach a unanimous finding of guilt or innocence. So one individual could nullify. |
| s. d. butler
User ID: 974819 United States01/09/2015 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Paradoxically, jury nullification is permitted to exist as an option to all juries Quoting: McGuyver This is to keep in place the notion that we are a free society. the wording used "is permitted" is indicative of just how far gone people are. People have been degraded, debased and dumbed down to the level where slave words are normal. As has been pointed out juries have the right and duty to nullify. There is nothing about permission or being "permitted". Last Edited by s. d. butler on 01/09/2015 03:46 PM |
| s. d. butler
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| s. d. butler
User ID: 974819 United States01/09/2015 11:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How does the foreman of jury address this when the jury returns back into the court room? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33088852 Is it still based on a guilty or not guilty verdict? Does the jury need to provide a note to the judge stating that law has been nullified and the case is dismissed? NO!!! The jury is NOT required to discuss how it came to its decision with ANYONE ,ever , at any time. they can if they choose to when the trial is concluded. No one in the courtroom can quiz them. the only thing that can be done is a poll of the jury, which is simply each member giving a verbal acknowledgement of his vote in open court. Is nullification ever mentioned? If so, when and where? How exactly is this suppose to work? Please explain it in clear & understandable terms. read the thread and if you still have questions, go to fIJA.org Last Edited by s. d. butler on 01/09/2015 04:43 PM |
| Ryan Cawdor
User ID: 38221016 United States01/09/2015 11:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Interdimensional warrior 66825571 NO!!! The jury is NOT required to discuss how it came to its decision with ANYONE ,ever , at any time. they can if they choose to when the trial is concluded. No one in the courtroom can quiz them. the only thing that can be done is a poll of the jury, which is simply each member giving a verbal acknowledgement of his vote in open court. Is nullification ever mentioned? If so, when and where? How exactly is this suppose to work? Please explain it in clear & understandable terms. It works like this.......... Lets say someone was arrested for growing a few cannabis plants and had about an ounce at their house. The State tries to portray this person as running a criminal enterprise and wants to throw that person in jail for 20+ years. If you on the jury decide that the State is full of it and don't agree with cannabis prohibition, you vote the person not guilty. If the entire jury votes not to convict that person and finds the person not guilty, that is nullification. I had a friend who had something like that happen. He had the balls to go to court and the jury found him not guilty, therefore nullification happened. My friend said the judge was extremely pissed off and he just laughed at him. If people did this again and again, the law people are against is certainly nullified. correct me if I'm wrong but it only takes one individual or several with a conscience to nullify. I believe that juries have to reach a unanimous finding of guilt or innocence. So one individual could nullify. Right, but an entire jury means no retrial, that's where I was going with that statement. |
