excited to share info re: dyatlov pass incident

Obviously this site is under some kind of temporary blockage. But not to me.

So lets begin a singular look at the tent.

Facts:

1. The tent was designed and assembled by Igor Dyatlov and Boris Slabstov in 1956.
2. It is essentially the combination of two ordinary tents with a common juncture, totaling near 12' in length.
3. Dyatlov has altered the tent to include a 2' long hanging stove, a cylinder handing parallel to the top lateral line of the tent -- with a ventilation pipe protruding out one end of the tent -- the non egress/entrance end.
4. Clear photos exist of the properly assembled tent during the expedition.
5. The tent was found largely intact, especially with regard the entrance/egress end.
6. Clear photos exist of the beginning of the tent assembly on the last night (be sure to observe the "cross" position during assembly).
7. Closure of the entrance involves two layers, the outer latch-able flap with 6 buttons, and the inner flap screen which remains hanging at all times.
8. Knife cuts appear, generated from interior cuts of the tent: three peepholes parallel to the horizontal top line of the tent, and several broad slashes to allow bodily egress.

Issues:

1. Was the tent in fact assembled improperly?
a. The initial (?) discover (Boris Slabstov, no less) does not say so.
b. While no blizzard was occurring, intense wind, darkness, blowing snow, altitude, and cold did cause the time and location of the campsite and positioning of the tent.
c. Does anything suggest an altered or staged crime scene?

2. Tent flap
a. The tent flap had 6 buttons: the top 3 were buttoned, bottom three were not
b. Entrance to the 3-buttoned tent required one to crawl on ones' knees (Biblical eye of the needle camel crawl on its knees).
c. At least 2 tourists were still outside the tent. Would the tent be unreasonably secured to prevent their soon expected return?
d. clearly the 2 persons outside the tent did not consider using the entrance as possible, nor did the inhabitants.
e. The entrance was reported to be elevated and easy
to use.

Conclusion: Is the tent condition a red herring, or is it vital to the solution?

I firmly believe that the tent is not a red herring. :) I think it's the first clue to what started the whole incident. I think we should always keep the tent in mind with our theories. Another thing of note, dyatlovs own coat was used at the base of the door to block the wind. What happened in the tent that he couldn't grab his coat? Something that made it so he wasn't able to reach within two feet of the door? Are we thinking heat?

The reason I think heat, is for the following reasons:

1 the snow around the entire pass was so slick that the volunteer searchers were forced to remove their skis within 10s of meters surrounding the tent to even approach it

2 dyatlovs own body was found in such a position to suggest ferensically he wasn't freezing but actually near heat when he died

3 we have the tops of the cedar tree/tree line being burned (with no obvious epicenter) and the dead birds on the ground directly underneath **this is very close to the den as far as proximity goes

4 the obvious issue that they were not dressed warmly while evacuating the tent

Op here: Rt is reporting they just found a NEW body at the dyatlov pass THIS FRIDAY. omg, let's hope it's a recent death and not...oh say 56 years old. Very sad, the skiers said they found the body of a 50 year old man right before they lost communication on their sat phones with local authorities.

[link to www.rt.com (secure)]

grate info

Sounds like Yetti is back!!

Seriously though, after reading thru all ten pages of this thread,there are only three theories that make any sense to me:

The first would be the Avalanche theory which an earlier AC on this thread summed up quite well:

"they are hiking when first avanche buries 4 . remaining 5 set up tent nearby, as it is getting dark. more avalaches panic and disorientate the rest that night, who flee the tent and die of exposure not long after. lots is lost in translation and speculation but the findings are correct. exposure and avanches are 'compelling forces of nature.' Missing tongue the result of wild animal predation."


This would also be supported by the fact that the locals refer to this place as the "Mountain of Death" which would obviously be a reference to the deadly force of nature known as an avalanche.


The second credible theory that makes sense is a premeditated murder by government forces. According to this theory, this group of highly educated hikers was tricked into going on the hike so that they could be murdered out of sight. The only problem with this theory is that it discounts the fact that there camera was left behind and the fact that photographic evidence taken by the rescue team shows the tent half buried in snow.

The third theory worth considering is the Yetti attack theory. It is perfectly plausible that Yettis exist and that they are violent.

The rest of the theories about "fireballs" and "UFOs" or "opening a portal to the paranormal" are utter trash.

arguments against avalanche as outlined earlier:

"1. Obvious lack of disturbance of snow on mountain and at the tent.

2. Incline of mountain not steep enough for avalanche

3. Avalanches occur in daytime when sun can melt snow and cause it

4. Along with sun, it's the wrong side of the mountain based on sun to be an avalanche

5. We know from tracks everyone was able to walk away from the tent without being carried, there for none of the major injuries occurred at the tent.

This is the only time I will address the avalanche theory which the investigation even at the time had to rule out."

it is all interesting though

it's by far my favorite topic. I can't tell you have much fun we have had following the clues, translating languages, & discovering new info. This will be a lifelong passion for me at this point.

They just found another body there two days ago in the same area. Apparently a 50 year old male. It's on Wiki

yes we know, I posted the rt article on that about an hour ago.

youtube still has the movie up if u search dyatlov pass and filter videos by length. **worried about copyright problems if i leave the link up







Last Edited by wingedmo26 on 01/10/2016 08:14 PM

In another thread, i was asked what i thought happened....I jump all over the place. Queen of france thinks it's the controlled delivery theory. (Russian defector giving radioactive clothes to reverse engineer for the cia.) This did happen two years prior but it can't explain the force of a 5 story drop on the bodies of the den ppl.... without a helicopter. My father leans towards mediorites, but those by definition r not radioactive. But it would give us a fantastic force which could explain those pesky internal injuries. I think no matter how u look at it we had staging going on here. The note on the case files stating the criminal investigation started Feb 6th (20 days before the search party arrived at the tent, let alone knew anyone was dead) the livitity proving the bodies were moved early on, before the massive amount of snow covered the den victims. The obvious signs that the area was infact heated to make sheer ice to the point the search party couldn't go on skis for tens of meters around the site. The top of the trees being burned with multiple dead birds underneath. I lean towards weapons testing or meteorite but metiorite is a hard pill to swallow with no witnesses my friends. The whole area saw a bright light like the moon oscillating, not a metiorite. Also, sadly, I think luda was tortured. The amount of blood in her stomache, more than typical internal bleeding with hypothermia, points to her being alive when her tounge was "removed". Whatever it was, there was a coverup. I believe this strongly. Even if it's a meteorite, things were messed with for some reason....but the key is the lights they were desperate to photograph at the end and the overwhelming evidence of extreme heat.

Article says they have "lost contact" with the group that reported finding the body. Yikes!!!!!

ikr! its crazy, i was talking to my father just the other day. i told him that if dyatlov's group went in our modern times his satellite phone would fail him so i doubted modern technology would help them. then BAAM that exact thing happens. i swear i said it just like that a couple days ago.

At what point do you believe they were taking photos of the lights? Before or after they rushed from the tent?
If it was before, then it seems maybe they HEARD something along with viewing the lights. And, for some reason, they thought it would make impact..with the tent area? I still can't think what would make them LEAVE the tent area.

That's sort of ODD for a LONE hiker to be up in that area...safety alone would make one bring companions. I wonder if this is only ONE body they will find......?

Incredibly hard to answer this. Considering we have the theory of a temporary blindeness...

Incredibly hard to answer this. Considering we have the theory of a temporary blindeness...

I'm of the opinion they may find more bodies as well. Clearly it had the be a recent death to even see the body in winter. Also we have no indication of a reported missing hiker listed in the Russian articles...not just rt

:archiebump:

Op here: Update on the situation with the new body on kholat syakhl. rescuers are being dispatched this Tues to recover the body of what appears to be a 50 yo man:

[link to m.sputniknews.com]

It apears a rumor that the new skiers are missing has been circulating enough that the Russian government was forced to make a statement.

op here: we have come across a wonderful new article for the argument of a COMET and not a meteorite. Its takes some time but a very interesting read with NEW thoughts I haven't seen yet: [link to translate.google.com (secure)]

If anyone needs anything translated from Russian I can do it

My personal theory is that there was no human involvement

I think the start to this case should be to determine from the know facts if there was human involvement or not

Also addressing a couple of OP's comments

I would like to mention that no soviet made helicopter could fly reliably in the conditions that were present in this case in 1958. This was at night in storm conditions.


Regarding the map, some types of maps were not allowed to be used by just anyone in the soviet union in those times, the map wasn't secret but it was also not for general circulation. This was normal practice.

Also the torch lights back in those days were unreliable and very dim compared to what you get today so the torch light as a beacon theory just does not work.

Dear OP why you are wasting our valuable time and brain energy?

To describe the situation correctly please add to your original post certain conditions that were there at place.

- All hikers had awful internal damages, broken bones, spines etc, but no damage on their skin
- 2 of them were naked, while others had clothes
- one female corpse was missing her eyes and tongue
- there were no marks or traces around them or anywhere at site
- very strong radiation on their clothes, skin

Wasting time? That's very rude of you. E erything you outlined has been laid out in my thread already among the existing ten pages. I recommend you do the reading before you make nasty comments that only show you didn't do the research before you chose to call someone out on something. Everyone else here is being respectful, I recommend you try it.

Bears have been mentioned but over the short time I have perused the available accounts of the plight of the victims, Siberian tigers or wolves have not been mentioned.

At this stage of my personal analysis, I am going to speculate that the team was asleep in their tent. That one had to go to the bathroom and as they were out in the open air, made reference to hearing or seeing something, and another member stepped out front of tent to join this person. Dressed before stepping out. Saw the threat. They had to run immediately leaving those inside tent who probably kept very silent and then tried to exit through side the threat was not facing - at the other end of tent, at entrance.

And while the beast(s) (mother and cubs, 2 mates or pack) were sniffing around or perhaps, they made their get away in what clothes they had on so to not disturb the sound and motion and alert the threat to their presence.

Also, since 11 people were said to have been the body count per a medical worker, it is possible 2 people did show injuries and that was the diversion for their escape. The threat occupied with tossing around a member of the team,

In all articles and videos, I have yet to read of their food supply on hand and whether it had been disturbed. Hunger is not always the motivating factor of wild animal attacks in wild. Territory is marked through scenting via glands and excretions (as we cat and dog owners know).

Avalanche theory has been ruled out. Seems a university of students going on a expedition would be big news in 1959; unless a member of this crew was offspring of a VIP and was ~snuffed~ out and the others collateral damage deemed acceptable. I could be wrong but, I cannot imagine that scenario at this point.

Pressure against the chest which crushed ribs without abrasions and skull fracture without abrasions/broken would be explained by their winter clothing. Sat on or being tossed around by the giant paw of a Kodiak bear or Siberian tiger. As a cathartic from daily news, I watch survival and crime shows, "I shouldn't be alive" and from what I have seen, the dead bodies of mountain climbers at high altitudes all have sun tans. 1100 feet - Avalanche ruled out as well. Hemorrhaging (blood found in internal organs) also from blunt force trauma. Bruises surely were present as well. Birds would have feasted on bodies which may have been dragged around and flipped over. Would explain the watch out in the tree. The threat must have taken up residence and made it impossible for the team to return to tent for their belongings.

They kept this quiet because the population of Bengals was dropped due to pouching at an alarming rate.

Siberian tiger can reach 10 feet long 650 pounds

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
Teen boy attacked by tiger in SF zoo after taunting it. Autopsy showed blunt force trauma as cause of death.

Blood was found at scene though quantity was stated as small. After one month, if blood was still visible at the scene, with helicopters hovering and wind storms, some surely was lost due to blow off.