excited to share info re: dyatlov pass incident

Bears have been mentioned but over the short time I have perused the available accounts of the plight of the victims, Siberian tigers or wolves have not been mentioned.

At this stage of my personal analysis, I am going to speculate that the team was asleep in their tent. That one had to go to the bathroom and as they were out in the open air, made reference to hearing or seeing something, and another member stepped out front of tent to join this person. Dressed before stepping out. Saw the threat. They had to run immediately leaving those inside tent who probably kept very silent and then tried to exit through side the threat was not facing - at the other end of tent, at entrance.

And while the beast(s) (mother and cubs, 2 mates or pack) were sniffing around or perhaps, they made their get away in what clothes they had on so to not disturb the sound and motion and alert the threat to their presence.

Also, since 11 people were said to have been the body count per a medical worker, it is possible 2 people did show injuries and that was the diversion for their escape. The threat occupied with tossing around a member of the team,

In all articles and videos, I have yet to read of their food supply on hand and whether it had been disturbed. Hunger is not always the motivating factor of wild animal attacks in wild. Territory is marked through scenting via glands and excretions (as we cat and dog owners know).

Avalanche theory has been ruled out. Seems a university of students going on a expedition would be big news in 1959; unless a member of this crew was offspring of a VIP and was ~snuffed~ out and the others collateral damage deemed acceptable. I could be wrong but, I cannot imagine that scenario at this point.

Pressure against the chest which crushed ribs without abrasions and skull fracture without abrasions/broken would be explained by their winter clothing. Sat on or being tossed around by the giant paw of a Kodiak bear or Siberian tiger. As a cathartic from daily news, I watch survival and crime shows, "I shouldn't be alive" and from what I have seen, the dead bodies of mountain climbers at high altitudes all have sun tans. 1100 feet - Avalanche ruled out as well. Hemorrhaging (blood found in internal organs) also from blunt force trauma. Bruises surely were present as well. Birds would have feasted on bodies which may have been dragged around and flipped over. Would explain the watch out in the tree. The threat must have taken up residence and made it impossible for the team to return to tent for their belongings.

They kept this quiet because the population of Bengals was dropped due to pouching at an alarming rate.

Siberian tiger can reach 10 feet long 650 pounds

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Teen boy attacked by tiger in SF zoo after taunting it. Autopsy showed blunt force trauma as cause of death.

Blood was found at scene though quantity was stated as small. After one month, if blood was still visible at the scene, with helicopters hovering and wind storms, some surely was lost due to blow off.

Also addressing a couple of OP's comments

I would like to mention that no soviet made helicopter could fly reliably in the conditions that were present in this case in 1958. This was at night in storm conditions.


Regarding the map, some types of maps were not allowed to be used by just anyone in the soviet union in those times, the map wasn't secret but it was also not for general circulation. This was normal practice.

Also the torch lights back in those days were unreliable and very dim compared to what you get today so the torch light as a beacon theory just does not work.

What if I told you the comet theory gives us a timeline of 8 in the morning and not night? It's pretty compelling if we can figure out how digestion works when one is sleeping. That is to say, does it give an inaccurate timeline of the 6-8 hours?

Taking a picture with flash bulb while pointed apparently nothing may have been an attempt to scare this threat off as we know these things do get startled and retreat at sound of gun or flash of light.

From everything I've read the reason the Mansi call this Death Mountain is because of the lack of wildlife. Without proof disqualifying that the Siberian tiger/Kodak bear arguments are moot.

From everything I've read the reason the Mansi call this Death Mountain is because of the lack of wildlife. Without proof disqualifying that the Siberian tiger/Kodak bear arguments are moot.

You are 100% correct. Animals, even small ones for luda's tongue and the multiple sets of eyes are ruled out. Only animals we know of are the dead birds under the cedar tree. Same place the tops of the trees are burned. Kholat syakhl = mountain of the dead = no animals to hunt

Something that I can't seem to find is if there was any blood near where she was found. I would think with her injuries there would be blood in the snow, and a lot of it.

I think I remember reading where there was blood found in her stomach which indicated her tongue was taken out while she was alive. I think there would be blood everywhere. I would even think there would be a trail of it left from whatever took her tongue and eyes.

I think that makes it very possible that at least some of them were not killed at the location the bodies were found. Unless of course it is something like cow mutilation, which I'm not sure I can go there just yet.

From everything I've read the reason the Mansi call this Death Mountain is because of the lack of wildlife. Without proof disqualifying that the Siberian tiger/Kodiak bear arguments are moot.

It's not lack of animals that gave it the name Mountain of the dead, rather the fact that a previous group of Mansi hunters were all found dead there:

"In the Ural mountain chain lies the mountain Kholat Syakhl, which in the local Mansi tongue means Mountain of the dead. The reason for this name is that 9 Mansi hunters once stayed here overnight and were all found dead later. The Mansi people believe the mountain is haunted and hence avoid it."

That's just a rumor. Mansi consistently say it's from bad hunting at kholat syakhl

It's really hard to use decernment with so many rumors and misinterpretations. I had read the same thing about the 9 mansi also in one of the books. But they called it that name well before those mansi died. Timeline issue. It certainly adds to the name, I'll give you that :)

I believe that she was found in a stream.

I know you take this thread seriously and it's been great to read, a mystery that's captured me for years but I would like to say don't rule the yeti out completely.

I remember watching a doc on YouTube called something like 'Russian yeti and dyatlov pass' I'll try to find it and link to it. Before you dismiss it out of hand the documentary had some info I had never read before. The key points it raised are;

1. They interviewed the two search party members that found the first bodies, both said there were deep, large footprints in the snow that was never mentioned in official papers. sounds like the got that from the devils pass movie. The case file photos don't show any large bare footprints. Some are bare for sure or in sock, but none are not icicle large :(

2. They got access to all the original government documents which actually had the photos originally taken of the footprints. yes we have access to the same photos, hense my answer above

3. The official paperwork shows the investigation was started several days before they were declared missing. you are right about that. A letter in the file states a criminal investigation started on Feb 6th. Not a missing persons search which gained traction at the school on valentines day and culminating in the ground deco very of the tent on Feb 26th by students and their hired tracker named Anton. Anton was the first to see the footprints, his testimony also says nothing about large bare prints, even in later interviews not in the case files.

4. There is video of the survivor Yuri recorded before he died stating a military boot cover was recovered at the scene which didn't belong to the hikers. This shows military or kgb were involved before the bodies were officially found. you r correct, he said the same about the working flashlight found on top of the tent. We believe the military foot wrap was either belonging to seymon/sasha (a military vet) or from the search party

5. They showed previously unseen photos taken by the hikers which show a tall, stooped manlike creature in the woods, confirmed by the original negatives to be original and untampered. They also show a handwritten note found in the tent that said something along the lines of 'now we know the snowman exists' that was the joke newspaper they called otorten news yuri yudin publicly sad it was a joke thing, like theonion.Com did u look at the photo? It's obviously one of the hikers wearing their hood. Are you aware the director of the dick very channel documentary on yeti demanded they take him off the credits from being so ashamed of the yeti spin they did on it? Same issue with the narator/mountaineer host, he was horrified by the spin and hack job the producers did on it. People involved say it's total crap.

6. They show official paperwork from 1958 that proves the military and government were involved in a covert search for the yeti in the Urals. The search and paperwork trail ends at the same time the hikers went missing. USA were also aware of this yeti search. This is news to me

7. Interviews with a mansi tribe member who was a child at the time said a creature called the Menk was known to be killing dear at the time the hikers went missing. The dead dear had often had their tongues and/or eyes removed. Also never heard that

Even if you think the yeti idea is BS the doc had many photo's, interviews and info I had never seen before and is worth watching for that alone. They gained complete access to the original records and paperwork that give much food for thought.

Even if you forget the yeti, it proves that military were involved before the bodies were found and that the official case was opened a week or more BEFORE the hikers were officially missing.

I believe that she was found in a stream.

Dad has 7 more points to share but he got banned for no reason, AGAIN.

Sometimes when Ive been banned I have emailed by sending a message on the ban screen and been unbanned fairly quickly. Im looking forward to seeing what he has.

BTW, thanks for all this information! This is so intriguing, I just found this story a few days ago and I am hooked!

In another thread, i was asked what i thought happened....I jump all over the place. Queen of france thinks it's the controlled delivery theory. (Russian defector giving radioactive clothes to reverse engineer for the cia.) This did happen two years prior but it can't explain the force of a 5 story drop on the bodies of the den ppl.... without a helicopter. My father leans towards mediorites, but those by definition r not radioactive. But it would give us a fantastic force which could explain those pesky internal injuries. I think no matter how u look at it we had staging going on here. The note on the case files stating the criminal investigation started Feb 6th (20 days before the search party arrived at the tent, let alone knew anyone was dead) the livitity proving the bodies were moved early on, before the massive amount of snow covered the den victims. The obvious signs that the area was infact heated to make sheer ice to the point the search party couldn't go on skis for tens of meters around the site. The top of the trees being burned with multiple dead birds underneath. I lean towards weapons testing or meteorite but metiorite is a hard pill to swallow with no witnesses my friends. The whole area saw a bright light like the moon oscillating, not a metiorite. Also, sadly, I think luda was tortured. The amount of blood in her stomache, more than typical internal bleeding with hypothermia, points to her being alive when her tounge was "removed". Whatever it was, there was a coverup. I believe this strongly. Even if it's a meteorite, things were messed with for some reason....but the key is the lights they were desperate to photograph at the end and the overwhelming evidence of extreme heat.