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Anonymous Coward User ID: 26869505 United States 01/28/2015 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This case has always fascinated me as well. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65163262 I have been reading some articles and found this one: [link to mysteriousuniverse.org] There is a comment to this article that has me intrigued, comment by CM 8 days ago... snip As a former Military police officer, I have familiarity with crime scenes. I strongly believe this scene was tampered with and or partially staged. Much of the "evidence" presented in this case are pieces and parts of the story that do not add up to a whole sequence of events. It is conceivable to me that the 4 bodies in the ravine, (two of which displayed crushed chest cavities with broken ribs and one, a severe cranial fracture, but none of which had evidence of contusions to the soft tissue) were dumped there and left to die after the inital attack to delay detection as long a possible. Absence of Dubinina's tongue and, in some accounts I have read, her eyes were plucked out presents to me as "see no evil speak no evil" symbology. The "silent scream" of Dubinina's contorted face and the blood in her stomach suggests her tongue was taken before she died. If this was done postmortem, the scavenging animal would have found it very difficult to pry a frozen tongue out of the corpses mouth with a clean break. The tongue was taken out "by the root". This clean of an extraction could only have been done while she was still alive and the tissue was soft. There is much more to his comment and it is quite interesting. As horrific as it sounds, it appears the commenter is correct. Of course the question is who did it and why her? I just finished the part in the Russian book I'm reading where the author debunked every theory ever formulated on the subject. It's just unbelievable the number of theories and the amount of writing that has been done, i.e. hundreds of articles and numerous books. I'm now at the part where she offers us her explanation based on a careful exam of the forensics including never before calculated measurements and evidence that never made it into the official report. She's also discounting embellishments that have been added over the years which other authors took at face value. It took only one paragraph of her conclusions to put the fear of god in me. I'm almost afraid to keep reading. In fact, I'm taking a break for a few days just to get my head screwed back on straight and to catch up on my sleep. It's no wonder the truth has never been revealed before, most people wouldn't be able to handle it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6655394 United States 01/28/2015 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Great find! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64451422 Thanks for all your good resarch OP. My theory: They were all in the tent, preparing their stove for dinner & what not, the tent unknowingly filling with gas or vapor from their cooking fuel so when they went to light it... Poof! they all fled, some shoeless, in flames. Remember: they all fled the tent, like it was hell on earth in there. Doesn't explain the missing tongue. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25214418 United States 01/28/2015 09:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to gipotezi.ru] 3 quarters of the way down this page we see the real last pics. Other pics I haven't seen in this article too. The last pics are artistic pics at sunset of them setting up camp at dyatlov pass. Also side by side comparisons showing it's the tent location. No way around it. Amazing. Really beautiful too btw. Look! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47172499 United States 01/29/2015 08:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Regarding the one paragraph...the book I'm reading is online in Russian. It hasn't been translated to English, so I'm reading with the assistance of Google Translation. Unfortunately the translation is damn near gibberish. The only way to figure out the Russian book is to have read as much as possible about the case before hand. There is no way to ascertain the agreed upon details of the case by reading the Russian book first. I suggest reading the article at the following link to get the most information in direct English. [link to thecloakedhedgehog.wordpress.com (secure)] After that, it really has to do with your reading comprehension skills and you ability to do some translating yourself. With that said, the link to the Russian book is: [link to www.litmir.me] Good luck. And don't say you haven't been warned. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66001982 United States 01/29/2015 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ask Source? Have a peek... and this guy is one of a handful that are real at the moment...modern day Edgar Cayce's description of it: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 53595671 [youtube] [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Enjoy ^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^ Thanks for sharing!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65163262 United States 01/29/2015 01:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was trying to post a link but I guess the link isn't allowed because my post doesn't show up and I've tried three times. I found a blogspot that has the travel diary entries and the autopsy results in English. You will need to google: the real evidence of the paranormal dyatlov pass accident/attack and the site will come up. The website is hard to read because of the text coloring but it's a lot of good information on the case. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28513594 United States 01/29/2015 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh yes! I got onto that site about 5 days back. Not THAT bad with translation. I just have to go slow. Regarding the one paragraph...the book I'm reading is online in Russian. It hasn't been translated to English, so I'm reading with the assistance of Google Translation. Unfortunately the translation is damn near gibberish. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47172499 The only way to figure out the Russian book is to have read as much as possible about the case before hand. There is no way to ascertain the agreed upon details of the case by reading the Russian book first. I suggest reading the article at the following link to get the most information in direct English. [link to thecloakedhedgehog.wordpress.com (secure)] After that, it really has to do with your reading comprehension skills and you ability to do some translating yourself. With that said, the link to the Russian book is: [link to www.litmir.me] Good luck. And don't say you haven't been warned. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 28513594 United States 01/29/2015 01:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Btw, is everyone aware there were two autopsies performed by the first 5 bodies? Additionally, the map dyatlov was given was confidentail, a state secret, removed from the tent right away. The theory is the dyatlov group was given the map in exchange for the location of uranium deposits they might locate. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47172499 United States 01/29/2015 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Btw, is everyone aware there were two autopsies performed by the first 5 bodies? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28513594 Additionally, the map dyatlov was given was confidentail, a state secret, removed from the tent right away. The theory is the dyatlov group was given the map in exchange for the location of uranium deposits they might locate. What map did they have and why was it a state secret? Where was it supposed to lead them? Link? One of the odd things about the case is that no one knew their route. They were supposed to give it to someone at the University before they left, but didn't. When they didn't return home on time, Yuri, the student who canceled at the last minute, had to figure out from memory where they were headed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47172499 United States 01/29/2015 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I was trying to post a link but I guess the link isn't allowed because my post doesn't show up and I've tried three times. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65163262 I found a blogspot that has the travel diary entries and the autopsy results in English. You will need to google: the real evidence of the paranormal dyatlov pass accident/attack and the site will come up. The website is hard to read because of the text coloring but it's a lot of good information on the case. You can also just google dytalov autopsies and a few sites will come up. They're on the Portuguese site linked here on the first page also. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47172499 United States 01/29/2015 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to gipotezi.ru] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25214418 3 quarters of the way down this page we see the real last pics. Other pics I haven't seen in this article too. The last pics are artistic pics at sunset of them setting up camp at dyatlov pass. Also side by side comparisons showing it's the tent location. No way around it. Amazing. Really beautiful too btw. Look! Those are some of the last pictures, but the very last one on the roll appears to be the entrance to the tent from inside showing some kind of glowing light. It was taken on a tripod and a filter had been added in an attempt to get the shot. (allows longer exposure time and filters out glare.) It raised the question that if the danger was so imminent, then how did they have time to set up the tripod etc. This is assuming the shot was taken after they'd been warned by the two guys outside and that the glowing light was the danger. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67500475 United States 01/29/2015 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read one article, where the author concludes that it was infrasound. He felt there was a very strong infrasound within the area, and that the first hikers went sort of mental due to the frequencies. They were the ones who ripped open the tent and fled. The others, who were dressed, went after them...all of them ultimately freezing to death. Some tried to make it back, but were not able. he gives a longer, detailed explanation. But, it sort of makes one kind of sense. One of the pictures shows the image of what could be the spheres of light that night. Could that have resulted in some type of infrasound within the area of the Ural mountains the hikers found themselves in. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47172499 United States 01/29/2015 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read one article, where the author concludes that Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67500475 it was infrasound. He felt there was a very strong infrasound within the area, and that the first hikers went sort of mental due to the frequencies. They were the ones who ripped open the tent and fled. The others, who were dressed, went after them...all of them ultimately freezing to death. Some tried to make it back, but were not able. he gives a longer, detailed explanation. But, it sort of makes one kind of sense. One of the pictures shows the image of what could be the spheres of light that night. Could that have resulted in some type of infrasound within the area of the Ural mountains the hikers found themselves in. Infrasound doesn't rip out tongues and eyeballs. Neither does it deposit radiation on clothes. When you die of Hypothermia, your body is found in the fetal position due to the fact that we naturally assume that position when we're freezing as it gives us the most warmth. None of the hikers were in this position. Additionally, four of them were determined by the Coroner to have died of blunt force trauma and/or or blood pooling in the pleural cavity. Two of them appeared to have been hit with something the size and force of a speeding car and one had a major skull fracture also. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47172499 United States 01/29/2015 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to gipotezi.ru] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25214418 3 quarters of the way down this page we see the real last pics. Other pics I haven't seen in this article too. The last pics are artistic pics at sunset of them setting up camp at dyatlov pass. Also side by side comparisons showing it's the tent location. No way around it. Amazing. Really beautiful too btw. Look! Those are some of the last pictures, but the very last one on the roll appears to be the entrance to the tent from inside showing some kind of glowing light. It was taken on a tripod and a filter had been added in an attempt to get the shot. (allows longer exposure time and filters out glare.) It raised the question that if the danger was so imminent, then how did they have time to set up the tripod etc. This is assuming the shot was taken after they'd been warned by the two guys outside and that the glowing light was the danger. Link to frame 33, the last picture. [link to dyatlov.looo.ch] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59543574 United States 01/29/2015 04:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to gipotezi.ru] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25214418 3 quarters of the way down this page we see the real last pics. Other pics I haven't seen in this article too. The last pics are artistic pics at sunset of them setting up camp at dyatlov pass. Also side by side comparisons showing it's the tent location. No way around it. Amazing. Really beautiful too btw. Look! Those are some of the last pictures, but the very last one on the roll appears to be the entrance to the tent from inside showing some kind of glowing light. It was taken on a tripod and a filter had been added in an attempt to get the shot. (allows longer exposure time and filters out glare.) It raised the question that if the danger was so imminent, then how did they have time to set up the tripod etc. This is assuming the shot was taken after they'd been warned by the two guys outside and that the glowing light was the danger. Link to frame 33, the last picture. [link to dyatlov.looo.ch] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65088349 United Kingdom 01/29/2015 05:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Questions I have: If they were witness to a secret weapons test of some sort, and there was indeed a cover-up, why was the camera (potential photographic evidence) left in the tent? How could it be determined that the tent was cut open from the inside? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65088349 United Kingdom 01/29/2015 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure how a directed microwave weapon would produce fireballs in thin air. However, perhaps an effet like this could be achieved if there were floating targets (e.g. balloons or blimps) with equipment to study the microwaves' effects, and some device to produce visual feedback (e.g. a neon tube) indicating the beam was on target. See this 1kW microwave gun: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Then consider a device in the 100MW to gigawatt range hitting targets at several kilometers in altitude. That could produce quite a show. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65088349 United Kingdom 01/29/2015 05:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure how a directed microwave weapon would produce fireballs in thin air. However, perhaps an effet like this could be achieved if there were floating targets (e.g. balloons or blimps) with equipment to study the microwaves' effects, and some device to produce visual feedback (e.g. a neon tube) indicating the beam was on target. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65088349 See this 1kW microwave gun: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Then consider a device in the 100MW to gigawatt range hitting targets at several kilometers in altitude. That could produce quite a show. See video at 1:47 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65088349 United Kingdom 01/29/2015 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, I have been to all three sites! Looooch was my first foreign one I stumbled on. They were like appatizers for me at this point. At first I believed the tesla type/highly advanced weapon theory until a realized members of the group had been actually tortured. Again, I'm going to say they were tortured. In Luda's case, in the most unbelievably evil ways. It makes me want to look even are in to it when I know were so cruelly treated. not just Luda guys. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61592428 What led you believe they were tortured? Why do you think they were tortured? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65088349 United Kingdom 01/29/2015 06:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | they are hiking when first avanche buries 4 . remaining 5 set up tent nearby, as it is getting dark. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67443905 more avalaches panic and disorientate the rest that night, who flee the tent and die of exposure not long after. lots is lost in translation and speculation but the findings are correct. exposure and avanches are 'compelling forces of nature' So how did Dubinina's tongue and the inside of her mouth get ripped out? Her eyes were missing too. [link to thecloakedhedgehog.wordpress.com (secure)] I see why some would believe they were tortured. Perhaps she was used as leverage to extract information from others in the group. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65088349 United Kingdom 01/29/2015 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absence of Dubinina's tongue and, in some accounts I have read, her eyes were plucked out presents to me as "see no evil speak no evil" symbology. The "silent scream" of Dubinina's contorted face and the blood in her stomach suggests her tongue was taken before she died. If this was done postmortem, the scavenging animal would have found it very difficult to pry a frozen tongue out of the corpses mouth with a clean break. The tongue was taken out "by the root". This clean of an extraction could only have been done while she was still alive and the tissue was soft. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65163262 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47172499 United States 01/29/2015 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Maybe I should have clarified, I'm the op, I already talked about the pic inside the tent in the tripod. I meant the last photos with them in them and alive. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543574 [link to gipotezi.ru] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25214418 3 quarters of the way down this page we see the real last pics. Other pics I haven't seen in this article too. The last pics are artistic pics at sunset of them setting up camp at dyatlov pass. Also side by side comparisons showing it's the tent location. No way around it. Amazing. Really beautiful too btw. Look! Those are some of the last pictures, but the very last one on the roll appears to be the entrance to the tent from inside showing some kind of glowing light. It was taken on a tripod and a filter had been added in an attempt to get the shot. (allows longer exposure time and filters out glare.) It raised the question that if the danger was so imminent, then how did they have time to set up the tripod etc. This is assuming the shot was taken after they'd been warned by the two guys outside and that the glowing light was the danger. Well hi OP, you're hard to keep track of. Anything new to report? Link to frame 33, the last picture. [link to dyatlov.looo.ch] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47172499 United States 01/29/2015 08:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Questions I have: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65088349 If they were witness to a secret weapons test of some sort, and there was indeed a cover-up, why was the camera (potential photographic evidence) left in the tent? How could it be determined that the tent was cut open from the inside? A seamstress who saw the tent said that it was. Supposedly after that, experts were called and they agreed. I'm trying to figure that out also, i.e. why was a camera in the tent and why did George have one around his neck. Why no fear from the perpetrators that they contained any evidence of what happened to them. FYI- the source I'm reading doesn't believe that they witnessed anything, it's more like they may have done something. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61813281 United States 01/29/2015 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm going to just start announcing myself as op at the beginning of each comment. I mentioned earlier I was banned for trying to post a pic, and am using 4g on my phone instead of my WiFi. Sorry for the confusion! And the phone related typos ha! Yes, I have gone down the rabbit hole much deeper with the methenol theory I recently came across. I have purchased both "dead mountain" and "dyatlov path keeps it's secrets" just to get to the writer's sources :) I have also found pics of them just reaching dyatlov pass at sunset, mentioned it earlier as artsy and beautiful. (Which must be the last pics featuring them alive, not the one on the cover of "dead mountain" as most of us were lead to believe) The same article gave us a pic of them with the second group in the train (Alexander/Simon is in it clearly - certainly the correct trip awesome!) Really exciting stuff! Just a moment ago I found a free online copy of "death walking on the trail". I was about to buy this book, I got lucky! So many thoughts at once!! Next post with be the online book to share with all of u! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61813281 United States 01/29/2015 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.x-libri.ru] OP here, "death walking on the trail" as promised! **sorry for the double post above, I have no idea how that happened** |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61813281 United States 01/29/2015 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP here. In response to my belief on the torture theory: not just the tongue issue, also the eyes. On the topic of the tongue, there is no evidence of animals by the corpses (setting aside the fact the mansi translation of mountain of the dead really meant mountain of the desolate because there were no animals to hunt, infact only evidence of animals is the mysterious bird deaths above the den/ravine) we also have that an animal, if by some incredible feat of strength, could rip out the frozen solid tongue, it would not make a clean rip. (Same thing with natural bacteria, not a clean distruction/desolving of tisue like we see.) Add to that, how did the animal manage to get enough strength to rip so hard it went back deep to the connective portions, not exposed as soft tissue. (Same thing with bacteria, past the exposed part was also "removed"). Same thing with the eyes, past the exposed soft tissue. Read the coroner's reports more!! This was done by force. Also, how about the blood in luda's stomache? "Oh that's just expected internal bleeding from hypothermia" then why was it only in HER stomache? We have internal bleeding in other organs, not like hers though. Not in the stomache. There's more if u can believe it! Add to that, the obvious moving of multiple bodies and important evidence/telegrams omitted from the case file. I will say this officially. I believe we r dealing with human intervention. Absence of Dubinina's tongue and, in some accounts I have read, her eyes were plucked out presents to me as "see no evil speak no evil" symbology. The "silent scream" of Dubinina's contorted face and the blood in her stomach suggests her tongue was taken before she died. If this was done postmortem, the scavenging animal would have found it very difficult to pry a frozen tongue out of the corpses mouth with a clean break. The tongue was taken out "by the root". This clean of an extraction could only have been done while she was still alive and the tissue was soft. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65163262 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67500475 United States 01/29/2015 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.x-libri.ru] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61813281 OP here, "death walking on the trail" as promised! **sorry for the double post above, I have no idea how that happened** what are you using to translate this? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 61813281 United States 01/29/2015 09:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Every link I give is automatically translated on my droid. Not trying to "sell" smartphones here, but man has technology helped with this research. I also have had to walk my father through the process of translating on his laptop. He finally got it down, not bad for a 70 year old! He says there is a ten second delay then the translation automatically just kicks in now. [link to www.x-libri.ru] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61813281 OP here, "death walking on the trail" as promised! **sorry for the double post above, I have no idea how that happened** what are you using to translate this? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65088349 United Kingdom 01/29/2015 09:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Absolutely. There seems no other rational explanation. What do you make of the last photo? [link to ufodigest.com] OP here. In response to my belief on the torture theory: not just the tongue issue, also the eyes. On the topic of the tongue, there is no evidence of animals by the corpses (setting aside the fact the mansi translation of mountain of the dead really meant mountain of the desolate because there were no animals to hunt, infact only evidence of animals is the mysterious bird deaths above the den/ravine) we also have that an animal, if by some incredible feat of strength, could rip out the frozen solid tongue, it would not make a clean rip. (Same thing with natural bacteria, not a clean distruction/desolving of tisue like we see.) Add to that, how did the animal manage to get enough strength to rip so hard it went back deep to the connective portions, not exposed as soft tissue. (Same thing with bacteria, past the exposed part was also "removed"). Same thing with the eyes, past the exposed soft tissue. Read the coroner's reports more!! This was done by force. Also, how about the blood in luda's stomache? "Oh that's just expected internal bleeding from hypothermia" then why was it only in HER stomache? We have internal bleeding in other organs, not like hers though. Not in the stomache. There's more if u can believe it! Add to that, the obvious moving of multiple bodies and important evidence/telegrams omitted from the case file. I will say this officially. I believe we r dealing with human intervention. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 61813281 Absence of Dubinina's tongue and, in some accounts I have read, her eyes were plucked out presents to me as "see no evil speak no evil" symbology. The "silent scream" of Dubinina's contorted face and the blood in her stomach suggests her tongue was taken before she died. If this was done postmortem, the scavenging animal would have found it very difficult to pry a frozen tongue out of the corpses mouth with a clean break. The tongue was taken out "by the root". This clean of an extraction could only have been done while she was still alive and the tissue was soft. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65163262 |