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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 67492223 United States01/29/2015 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no argument FOR gun control that is not based on emotion. The idea that guns would disappear from the street if we just took them all away from law abiding citizens is ludicrous. I get it, no guns means no gun crime. Getting there in a country like the US is impossible though. Any country the gun grabbers point to as a success had gun control before guns were invented, and most of those aren't near as successful as they would like you to believe. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 66431421 Denmark01/29/2015 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well that means someone LEGALLY buys the guns in the first place and then they get stolen or sold on the black market illegally Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66431421 So.....what does THAT mean? That means we need criminal control, rather than punishing the people who obtained their firearm legally. But people can still buy guns legally and sell them on the black market as they please? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 61780440 United States01/29/2015 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well that means someone LEGALLY buys the guns in the first place and then they get stolen or sold on the black market illegally Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66431421 So.....what does THAT mean? That means we need criminal control, rather than punishing the people who obtained their firearm legally. But people can still buy guns legally and sell them on the black market as they please? That is criminal activity. The purchase is a straw man with intent to illegally sell, and that IS illegal. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6544774 United States01/29/2015 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well that means someone LEGALLY buys the guns in the first place and then they get stolen or sold on the black market illegally Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66431421 So.....what does THAT mean? That means we need criminal control, rather than punishing the people who obtained their firearm legally. But people can still buy guns legally and sell them on the black market as they please? No, they can't. The same basic conditions placed on dealers regarding who they may sell to also apply to sales between private individuals. You can't legally sell to someone that you know or suspect is prohibited from owning them. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6544774 United States01/29/2015 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well that means someone LEGALLY buys the guns in the first place and then they get stolen or sold on the black market illegally Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66431421 So.....what does THAT mean? That means we need criminal control, rather than punishing the people who obtained their firearm legally. But people can still buy guns legally and sell them on the black market as they please? That is criminal activity. The purchase is a straw man with intent to illegally sell, and that IS illegal. Yeah, there's that, too. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 54937273  United Kingdom01/29/2015 10:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What percentage of gun crimes are committed using a legally purchased, lawfully owned firearm? Given the amount of fervor by politicians and those in the media to enact more restrictive gun legislation to make buying and owning a gun more difficult, it may surprise you that only 6% of gun crimes were committed using a legally obtained firearm. That means 94% of gun crimes have been committed using illegally obtained firearms, proving that most gun crime happens regardless of the laws enacted to stop those crimes. Gun control does nothing to curb gun violence, it only makes it more difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun. Do not fall for this false narrative, because if you do, then you are a part of the problem. Quoting: Rising Son [link to www.extranosalley.com] Newsflash: All those "illegally obtained" firearms started out as legal firearms. Unless you think there'a an illegal gun factory producing all this weaponry somewhere... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 54937273 United Kingdom01/29/2015 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no argument FOR gun control that is not based on emotion. The idea that guns would disappear from the street if we just took them all away from law abiding citizens is ludicrous. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67492223 I get it, no guns means no gun crime. Getting there in a country like the US is impossible though. Any country the gun grabbers point to as a success had gun control before guns were invented, and most of those aren't near as successful as they would like you to believe. Nirvana fallacy. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6544774 United States01/29/2015 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What percentage of gun crimes are committed using a legally purchased, lawfully owned firearm? Given the amount of fervor by politicians and those in the media to enact more restrictive gun legislation to make buying and owning a gun more difficult, it may surprise you that only 6% of gun crimes were committed using a legally obtained firearm. That means 94% of gun crimes have been committed using illegally obtained firearms, proving that most gun crime happens regardless of the laws enacted to stop those crimes. Gun control does nothing to curb gun violence, it only makes it more difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun. Do not fall for this false narrative, because if you do, then you are a part of the problem. Quoting: Rising Son [link to www.extranosalley.com] Newsflash: All those "illegally obtained" firearms started out as legal firearms. Unless you think there'a an illegal gun factory producing all this weaponry somewhere... Actually, improvised 'zip guns' have been a problem at times in the past. Mind you, most of these are junk, but not all. But yes, illegal firearms generally start as legal ones. I don't find that to be a justifiable reason to punish and restrict the rights of law abiding owners. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 54937273 United Kingdom01/29/2015 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What percentage of gun crimes are committed using a legally purchased, lawfully owned firearm? Given the amount of fervor by politicians and those in the media to enact more restrictive gun legislation to make buying and owning a gun more difficult, it may surprise you that only 6% of gun crimes were committed using a legally obtained firearm. That means 94% of gun crimes have been committed using illegally obtained firearms, proving that most gun crime happens regardless of the laws enacted to stop those crimes. Gun control does nothing to curb gun violence, it only makes it more difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun. Do not fall for this false narrative, because if you do, then you are a part of the problem. Quoting: Rising Son [link to www.extranosalley.com] Newsflash: All those "illegally obtained" firearms started out as legal firearms. Unless you think there'a an illegal gun factory producing all this weaponry somewhere... Actually, improvised 'zip guns' have been a problem at times in the past. Mind you, most of these are junk, but not all. But yes, illegal firearms generally start as legal ones. I don't find that to be a justifiable reason to punish and restrict the rights of law abiding owners. Obviously you don't. You seem to have a blind spot when it comes to gun violence. It's as if you think America has no gun violence and is the safest country on the planet. Because everyone lives in perfect harmony and your 300 million guns (legal/illegal) make America a safer place. That's the NRA narrative and nobody believes it apart from brainwashed Americans. [link to www.theguardian.com] [link to www.theguardian.com] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 53481804 United States01/29/2015 11:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Newsflash: All those "illegally obtained" firearms started out as legal firearms. Unless you think there'a an illegal gun factory producing all this weaponry somewhere... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 54937273 Actually, improvised 'zip guns' have been a problem at times in the past. Mind you, most of these are junk, but not all. But yes, illegal firearms generally start as legal ones. I don't find that to be a justifiable reason to punish and restrict the rights of law abiding owners. Obviously you don't. You seem to have a blind spot when it comes to gun violence. It's as if you think America has no gun violence and is the safest country on the planet. Because everyone lives in perfect harmony and your 300 million guns (legal/illegal) make America a safer place. That's the NRA narrative and nobody believes it apart from brainwashed Americans. [link to www.theguardian.com] [link to www.theguardian.com] You can link liberal rag posts backing up your point of view all day, but the numbers do not lie. Here's some truth about violent crime and homicide on your little island: For an example of homicide rates before and after a ban, take the case of the handgun ban in England and Wales in January 1997 (source here see Table 1.01 and the column marked “Offences currently recorded as homicide per million population”). After the ban, clearly homicide rates bounce around over time, but there is only one year (2010) where the homicide rate is lower than it was in 1996. The immediate effect was about a 50 percent increase in homicide rates. The homicide rate only began falling when there was a large increase in the number of police officers during 2003 and 2004. Despite the huge increase in the number of police, the murder rate still remained slightly higher than the immediate pre-ban rate. [link to crimepreventionresearchcenter.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6544774 United States01/29/2015 12:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What percentage of gun crimes are committed using a legally purchased, lawfully owned firearm? Given the amount of fervor by politicians and those in the media to enact more restrictive gun legislation to make buying and owning a gun more difficult, it may surprise you that only 6% of gun crimes were committed using a legally obtained firearm. That means 94% of gun crimes have been committed using illegally obtained firearms, proving that most gun crime happens regardless of the laws enacted to stop those crimes. Gun control does nothing to curb gun violence, it only makes it more difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun. Do not fall for this false narrative, because if you do, then you are a part of the problem. Quoting: Rising Son [link to www.extranosalley.com] Newsflash: All those "illegally obtained" firearms started out as legal firearms. Unless you think there'a an illegal gun factory producing all this weaponry somewhere... Actually, improvised 'zip guns' have been a problem at times in the past. Mind you, most of these are junk, but not all. But yes, illegal firearms generally start as legal ones. I don't find that to be a justifiable reason to punish and restrict the rights of law abiding owners. Obviously you don't. You seem to have a blind spot when it comes to gun violence. It's as if you think America has no gun violence and is the safest country on the planet. Because everyone lives in perfect harmony and your 300 million guns (legal/illegal) make America a safer place. That's the NRA narrative and nobody believes it apart from brainwashed Americans. [link to www.theguardian.com] [link to www.theguardian.com] Nah, more likely its because I actually live in the US, in an area of high per-capita gun ownership, and I see firsthand that its a non-existent problem in most cases. Well, except perhaps for Chicago, Baltimore, DC, and other urban centers where gun control has proven itself a disaster in this country's. But yes, we Americans, who live with, own and use firearms are 'brainwashed' on the subject. You Brits, most of whom have never even seen a real firearm anywhere except on TV, are such experts on the matter. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 67473604 France01/29/2015 12:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What percentage of gun crimes are committed using a legally purchased, lawfully owned firearm? Given the amount of fervor by politicians and those in the media to enact more restrictive gun legislation to make buying and owning a gun more difficult, it may surprise you that only 6% of gun crimes were committed using a legally obtained firearm. That means 94% of gun crimes have been committed using illegally obtained firearms, proving that most gun crime happens regardless of the laws enacted to stop those crimes. Gun control does nothing to curb gun violence, it only makes it more difficult for law abiding citizens to obtain a gun. Do not fall for this false narrative, because if you do, then you are a part of the problem. Quoting: Rising Son [link to www.extranosalley.com] Newsflash: All those "illegally obtained" firearms started out as legal firearms. Unless you think there'a an illegal gun factory producing all this weaponry somewhere... Actually, improvised 'zip guns' have been a problem at times in the past. Mind you, most of these are junk, but not all. But yes, illegal firearms generally start as legal ones. I don't find that to be a justifiable reason to punish and restrict the rights of law abiding owners. Obviously you don't. You seem to have a blind spot when it comes to gun violence. It's as if you think America has no gun violence and is the safest country on the planet. Because everyone lives in perfect harmony and your 300 million guns (legal/illegal) make America a safer place. That's the NRA narrative and nobody believes it apart from brainwashed Americans. [link to www.theguardian.com] [link to www.theguardian.com] Obviously you have not a clue what you are talking about other than 3 cites in the United States that have the strictest gun policies in the nations. The United states has the 2nd lowest murder rate in the world.. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 67473604 France01/29/2015 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well here you go, Proof came out by the Fbi today. More guns have been sold under Obama's Presidency than any other time in US history And gun crimes fell Thread: FBI Report: More Guns Correlated With Less Crime In First Half Of 2014 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 67473604 France01/29/2015 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well here you go, Proof came out by the Fbi today. More guns have been sold under Obama's Presidency than any other time in US history And gun crimes fell Thread: FBI Report: More Guns Correlated With Less Crime In First Half Of 2014 Well Look at that Murder fell by “6 percent,” rape by “10.1 percent,” aggravated assault dropped “1.6 percent,” and robbery fell by “10.3 percent.” Offenses of property crime–“burglary, larceny-theft, and motor vehicle theft”–all decreased during the first six months of 2014 as well, when contrasted with the first six months of 2013. Burglary fell “14 percent,” larceny-theft fell “5.6 percent,” and motor vehicle thefts fell “5.7 percent.” |
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