Book Of Enoch, Applied To These Latter Days.

Amen, brother. I have been telling people for a long time that the books of Enoch, there are five total, are books for the final generation at the time of the end. Enoch explains who the fallen one's where and what they did. This is corroborated in Genesis 6, Enoch just goes into much greater detail.

I encourage and highly recommend every Christian read these books if you want to know the truth of matters. Its important!

"Just as in the days of Noah, so will the days of the coming of the Son of Man be"

No, it is most certainly not. Rather, that is what the adversary wants you to think, so that when he returns with the rest of his fallen one's, you will worship him as God and creator of mankind. The sad part is that many, many will believe his lie because God Almighty Himself will send them a strong delusion to believe it because they turned their back on Him.

You have been warned.

Exactly!

Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

"heaven" = space

"circuit" = ORBIT

"covered in clouds" = PLANET


Psalm 19:6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

"Heaven" = space
"circuit" = ORBIT
"HEAT" = PLANET



Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

no more sun light from "GOD" himself

new planetary light source

Revelation 21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

no sun, new planetary light source

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the Lord shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

NO MORE SUN
NEW PLANETARY LIGHT SOURCE


and finally
Einsteins theory of relativity in the bible

2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.


If god created all things including time/space
then time would have no meaning to Him.

NOT according to that scripture

His TIME is BIGGER than ours.

WHY?

Because so is his ORBIT.


Every planet in our solar system is named after what?
a GOD.

It was COMMON for these people back then, to see a large incoming planet...and yell and scream "GOD IS ANGRY"
"GOD IS WRATHFUL"
"GOD HAS RISEN TO SHAKE THE EARTH".


wham
boom
your turn

Psalm 17:8 Keep me as the apple of the eye, hide me under the shadow of thy wings,

Psalm 36:7 How excellent is thy lovingkindness, O God! therefore the children of men put their trust under the shadow of thy wings.

Psalm 57:1 Be merciful unto me, O God, be merciful unto me: for my soul trusteth in thee: yea, in the shadow of thy wings will I make my refuge, until these calamities be overpast.

Psalm 63:7 Because thou hast been my help, therefore in the shadow of thy wings will I rejoice.


all these scriptures

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how?


Psalm 99:1 The Lord reigneth; let the people tremble: he sitteth between the cherubims; let the earth be moved.

Isaiah 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.


Isaiah 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage;

Earth REMOVED

Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.


their planet will MOVE ours into its very same orbital pattern


therefore increasing our time/space

(Einsteins theory of relativity again)

If your increase our SPACE (orbit)
you increase our time (lifespan)

I have a copy and read part of it. I don't have a problem thinking most of it is true and certainly Jude quotes it.

Honestly, I think you are making too big a deal out of it though. We have 66 other bible books packed full of divine revelation that applies to daily life as well as prophecies. Nobody is going to miss out or suffer w/o the book of Enoch in any significant way.

I do think it is helpful in clarifying what Genesis means when it speaks of the sons of god marrying the daughters of men- too many folks try to worm their way out of fallen angels mating with women, but it happened. It may happen again....but big deal, look at what is going on with demon possession. Does it really matter what someone's biology is if a person can be fully ensnared by darkness even with two human parents?

Anyway, I would get more excited about Jesus. Keep Him first.

I will be describing the different passages from the "Ethiopian version" of the Book of Enoch. I believe its writings best describe the higher course of its true meaning of its explanations.

Please bear with me, for I will seek to explain away much of what has always been assumed and taught by men whose concepts was sought out through soul/intellectual teachings; rather than spiritual comprehension/discernment of the Word of God. This will be the necessary means of interpreting the meaning of the Word in its intended precepts. So To establish a solid direction we must find the flow of the correct course.

We must base all reasoning's against the Word, and things contradicting the Word, cannot hold upon its own assumptions of any hearsay. Hearsay, is one of the many instruments utilized by the enemy. So unless, it is established with the Word of God, it cannot be correct toward the more comprehensible meaning. And if some meaning is not correct in one portion, it tends to mislead in other passages.

At some point Enoch is taken up to a heavenly realm, according to the Book of 1Enoch, and he can scarcely describe what he is seeing. Knowing that at that point of time nothing had ever been revealed about that realm to mankind, for no man/woman had ever beheld it.

Therefore, it seems a spectacular individual is shown to Enoch whose dwelling place was beneath the wings of one called, the Lord of spirits.

[1Enoch39:6a] And in that place mine eyes say the Elect One of righteousness, and of faith.

Now, we must pause here for a moment to dispel what most have always been taught and believe. That the Elect One is always speaking about Jesus Christ! Well, no, not really! I know the story (hearsay) told about the monk/translator of the Scriptures; who while coping the set of Scriptures from one of the books of the four Gospels. That the saying goes, that, that translator/monk eliminated the words Elect One when describing Jesus at the time of being Baptized by John the Baptist. The reason? Because, it was not so stated that way in the other three Gospels, and he didn't want the Word/Scripture to appear unbalanced with the rest of the Gospels of the three remaining ones, in its description of who Jesus was!

First of all this is the most ridiculous story I have ever read. These men of God whose loyal service was dedicated to the exact wording in their lifetime service of the exact translation of the words in the entire Scriptures. These translations from one printing to another were checked and check, and rechecked by many to entail complete and total accuracy of the Words copied down. It was not just one translator of the words copied who partook of these actions and responsibilities alone. This would have to have been a conspiracy against something of a major importance in the Word. In cooperation with scores, if not hundreds of others in the knowledge of this blatant violation that all these scribes had dedicated their lives and trust in!

Then it also goes without saying that if all Scripture is given to us by the inspiration of God [2Tim.3:16KJV,] I am sure no one man or a group of men, could hinder God's intentional meaning of His Word! To further confirm from the Word, that the Elect One is not referring to Jesus Christ. We can clearly see that in [Isa.42:1KJV] that elect one, that servant is not the Father speaking about Jesus, but Jesus is speaking about his servant.

How do we know that it is Jesus speaking about his servant, the elect one, in these passages. Because it states throughout the passages who it is that is declaring these words through Isaiah's prophecy about this servant, this elect one. Thus, in these following passages it is made clear who is declaring this personage called the elect servant:

[Isa,41:21KJV] the King of Jacob.
[Isa.43:3] the Holy one of Israel, thy Savior.
[Isa.43:14KJV] the Lord your redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.
[Isa.43:15KJV] I am the Lord your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.
[Isa.44:24KJV] Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer and that formed thee from the womb. I am the Lord that makes all things: that stretches forth the heavens alone: that spreads abroad the earth by myself.

Now all these different passages/verses speak clearly as of the one speaking, is the Redeemer, (only Jesus has that title (redeemer), for he alone paid the price.) he claims to be the creator of all things, and stretched out the heavens and spread abroad the earth by himself. This is the one called the word who came in the flesh. Even the word was in the beginning and he created all things (only Jesus) (John1:1-4KJV.] The King of Jacob/Israel/Jews, only Jesus holds that title. The Word seeks to make it clear the speaker here is not the Father, but the Son (Jesus) who is declaring his elect one!

YET TO MAKE IT EVEN CLEARER JESUS ALSO DECLARES HIS ELECT ONE, SERVANT, HIDDEN ONE, IN [ISA.49:2kjv.] In the shadow of his hand has he hid me. This one hides this man in the shadow of his hand. Making it very clear that of the Godhead only Jesus has the ability to cast a shadow to hide someone. Because, he consist of both spirit and flesh after his resurrection and these passages are speaking of a distant future, an end time happening! Now we know according to the Word, the Father of lights and the Holy Spirit cannot cast a shadow for they of the Trinity are Spirits. Thus, as it declares in [James,1:17KJV] Every good and perfect gift cometh down from the Father of lights; with whom there is no SHADOW of turning.

So according to Scripture there is an elect, hidden, servant, hidden, but it isn't Jesus, who is hidden, but Jesus is the one who is doing the hiding. How can we hope to see something hidden by Jesus? Unless, he allows the revealing of those things. And what has hid them from us? Men of tradition and false understanding far from the truth of the Word!

Finally, concerning this subject and I am sorry to explain in such detail, but it is important to clear this misunderstanding up. Because, remaining in this belief about an Elect One, would confuse the whole subject matter ahead!

Jesus, never could be considered of the elect. For as Enoch will later reveal in these passages of his book, the elect were once of a sinful nature, and thus also, so would be the Elect One; Jesus never had a sinful nature, neither was born into this world with one. For unlike all others, all mankind was blood-born subjects to their father after sin, Satan; but Jesus was born after the Spirit, his Father after righteousness, GOD.

So that Elect One, will also be referred to as the Hidden One, the Righteous One, and many other flattering names and titles. For as it declares about that one in [Isa.45:4KJV,] God has surnamed him. Surname in the original linguistics means "given many flatting names and titles. So in both the biblical and the Enoch passages it is thus revealed." Yet as all God's elect he comes forth from sin.

Now to add one more comment. Jesus could never be of the category of the Elect. For of all endeavors he undertook either in his earthly conquest or the heavenly realm. Jesus as the omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent God. He was never elected to do anything. He chose to be our savior, not elected to be so. He chose to give his life for us, not because he was elected to do so. He did all that he did, by his own choice, and decisions. Not as someone elected to some office. Jesus is a KING..not someone Elected!

[Enoch.39:7a] And I saw his dwelling-place under the wings of the Lord of Spirits.
[Enoch.39:8] There I wished to dwell,
And my spirit longed for that dwelling-place.
And there heretofore hath been my PORTION.

Yet, Enoch did not understand that, that individual (Elect One) who he so desired to be, and the desire for his dwelling place beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits, was (in part, (PORTION,) himself, but in a future tense. Enoch in a different form, physically, but of the same spirit! Therefore, was the meaning in a PORTION (Enoch.39:8). For a portion of anything could be divided in half. Therefore, these scenes that Enoch was to witness, was not revealed for his own understanding. For how could he know himself in the form of a different body, he had never seen. For he was beholding that Enoch for the latter days to come, of his own spirit. However, it was meant for that other one, of that Enoch spirit, and that generation of those times; who would understand the Book's meaning and that generations unsealing.

The major factor to better understanding how to distinguish a deeper insight to the book of Enoch, will be shown next time. Then I hope to explain and show the meaning of the way the words distinguish the difference when it is speaking about the Father (GOD,) and when it is revealing the Son (Jesus.) When it is showing the meaning of that Enoch of then, and soon to come. Also, of the end days, and the generation of these times, and some very soon happenings.

I will end for now. Will return later in the week.
God Bless.

right down to the month and day huh(500 years 7th month 14th day)(the lifetime of enoch means just that the lifetime the time he is alive down to the month and day and it doesnt line up with the bible....sure...you want to believe it so bad it could say an angel name Phanuel was set to be the mediator between man and God and you beleive it.





It is chapter 58 not 60....look again as you are wrong but you should be getting used to that:

[link to book-ofenoch.com]



Chapter 58 [SECT. X.]

1. In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable, I saw that the heaven of heavens shook; that it shook violently;

Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

My self advancement?....lets just skip to the end of your thread and tell everybody what your real agenda is...not to advance Jesus but to tell everybody you are the one the book of enoch is speaking of...."the hidden one"....lol....by the time you get them to the 3rd book of enoch you make yourself out to be a 2nd Yawey higher than Jesus. Draw them in slow they won't even realize it is happening...lol. You are going down a bad path I don't promote occultist books, never have but you are with the book of enoch.












Jude’s quote is not the only quote in the Bible from a non-biblical source. The Apostle Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 but that does not mean we should give any additional authority to Epimenides’ writings.


Titus 1:12

12 One of the Cretans, a prophet of their own, said, “Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons.”9


looks like we have more lost scriptures paul quoted it so therefore being the bible is the word of God and Paul quotes Epimenides from the word of God it must be the word of God too....see how foolish that is..........Just because Jude quotes Enoch doesn't mean the book of enoch is God breathed it simply means Judah knew the quote of enoch(just as the person who wrote the book of enoch knew it) just as Paul knew the quote of Epimenides.




Epimenides of Knossos (Crete) was a semi-mythical 7th or 6th century BC Greek seer and philosopher-poet. While tending his father's sheep, he is said to have fallen asleep for fifty-seven years in a Cretan cave sacred to Zeus, after which he reportedly awoke with the gift of prophecy (Diogenes Laërtius i. 109–115). Plutarch writes that Epimenides purified Athens after the pollution brought by the Alcmeonidae, and that the seer's expertise in sacrifices and reform of funeral practices were of great help to Solon in his reform of the Athenian state. The only reward he would accept was a branch of the sacred olive, and a promise of perpetual friendship between Athens and Cnossus (Plutarch, Life of Solon, 12; Aristotle, Ath. Pol. 1).

Athenaeus also mentions him, in connection with the self-sacrifice of the erastes and eromenos pair of Cratinus and Aristodemus, who were believed to have given their lives in order to purify Athens. Even in antiquity there were those who held the story to be mere fiction (The Deipnosophists, XIII. 78–79). Diogenes Laërtius preserves a number of spurious letters between Epimenides and Solon in his Lives of the Philosophers. Epimenides was also said to have prophesied at Sparta on military matters.

Book of enoch
Chapter 58


1In the five hundredth year, and in the seventh month, on the fourteenth day of the month, of the lifetime of Enoch, in that parable,




Just because jude quotes enoch does not mean it validates the book of enoch



My bible says enoch only lived 365 years....the book of enoch is saying he is 500...which dosent agree with the bible




Gen 5:33


And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

For crying out loud. The book of Enoch claims that Enoch wrote it. No he didn't. LIE.

The book would have had to have been on the Ark, thru the flood. It wasn't.

Enoch was 365 when he died....not 500.

But these don't matter AT ALL when the book of Enoch is FULL of outright contradictions of the inspired writings of the Bible.

You are using II Tim 3:16 out of context. The book of Enoch is NOT Scripture. How do I know that?

IT CONTRADICTS NOT ONLY THE NEW TESTAMENT, BUT PARTS OF THE OLD AS WELL.

This is NOT rocket science, people. You are being led by your emotions and the idea that you can come up with something so world shaking, that there is some lost Gospel.

You don't get it, obviously. Salvation does NOT come from knowledge, people.

And anyone with simple skills in determining the validity of Scripture can instantly see that the book of Enoch is outright nonsense and has NO place among SCRIPTURE.

Just because Jude mentions Enoch means absolutely NOTHING about this so called book.

It has been vetted as a "fake" over and over, but you just can't seem to accept this fact. Not only is it FAKE, it contradicts SCRIPTURE.

Good point... However God didnt make it very clear in the old testiment that he was also Jesus Christ

OP, please help me with the following as I am confused

as for Christ not being the Holy Elect One:

1 Peter chapter 2-

6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


Is not Christ the chief cornerstone of the Church and has not He always been such?

your help would be greatly appreciated

there is a vast difference between the "headstone" and the "cornerstone" I believe; and that the "chief cornerstone would be the foundation of it all

what am I missing?

I thought the headstone was placed in the center of the upper arch wherefore it could take the strain from both sides in sturdying the structure of said arch

clearly I am confused on one level or many

thank you in advance

; )

ps: Christ is the King of the Zadok and the Zadok are the Elect

Christ being Melchizedek; Melchizedek which means "King of the Zadok" Melchi = King Zedek = Zadok

the Zadok priests of the Order of Melchizedek are those of Gods Election

other than that assistance please

hope you return unto us Sword and have not given up on us yet

"the head of the corner" wouldn't be the headstone I don't imagine, rather it refers to the chief cornerstone...

?

untangle me if able please

lol

as I read elsewhere in scripture something having to do with the "headstone" and thereafter things got a bit fuzzy

wish I could recall where I read such, perhaps I will find it in the interim

or perhaps you will know...

on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )

Is not Christ the chief cornerstone of the Church and has not He always been such?

Told ya you couldn't leave glp.....but you did make it 24 hours......You have 3 threads you made.....1 the rider on the white horse....2 the two witnesses...3 the hidden one book of enoch.......see the theme of all your threads.....self promotion.......ill take an apology if you are handing them out.....lol....perhaps your ego won't let you

Perhaps you crave more recognition then you know.....lol

I like how you say you don't believe you are one of the two witnesses then give half a dozen reasons why you should be one of the two witnesses and all of your threads are about the witness.......for in abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.....lol

S-wordlikes comment:

First of all waterman, it wasn't I who made this claim but you, made this claim, about me! Remember, you came to my home in 1998, on my 50th birthday, on the first day of spring, and said the Lord told you this. Claiming that the Lord told you I was a witness. Also, don't you remember I telling you, that you were crazy. And of course it wasn't long before you decided you were the other witness...lol! 


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Watermans comment:



Lol shortly after if 14 years later and 10 and a half of it being in a spiritual pit is shortly after.....lol

I'm sure you were quite the choir boy during that time friend....There are two servants...both believe in heaven and hell...one comes under the impression he can't be saved and the other comes under the impression he can't be damned. At the end of a time of testing both praise God whose praise was harder the one who believed he couldn't be damned or the one who believe he couldn't be saved?

Two servants the one who was under the impression he couldn't be saved and the one who couldn't be damned who was on the better behavior.........answer.....neither because one had nothing to lose and the other had nothing to gain......don't put your self in the position of choir boy friend as I know your past also....drunkard isn't so bad somtimes...

Psalms 69:12:
King James Bible
They that sit in the gate speak against me; and I was the song of the drunkards.

You believe Jacob/Israel is one of the two witnesses....I have an email when I claimed to be Jacob you stated...."you're not Jacob I am"....if you want me to send it to ya friend...you think you are one of the two ...only thing is you think you are both combined...you can't see the division of the Jacob blessing(birthright/Joseph) and the Israel blessing(prince/Judah)...but you will in time!

1 chronichles 5:2

Jubilee Bible 2000
For Judah prevailed above his brethren and was their prince, but the birthright was Joseph's:)







any recall of this email you sent me sure don't sound like someone who dont think they are the other witness running around with Darren/Elijah to me:


Stop living in the past...there is no Judah, Joseph, scenario coming, it is only the two witnesses, who will be brought forth by God, not thru conflict. There is no conflict in their paths, just some story you seek to conjure up from an experience that once happened. Judah is never blinded, for he now represents the tribe from which the Lord of glory ascended. Hey, hate to tell you this.. but, you are not higher than anybody, but your own imagination...lol. You will really like this Elijah guy, and if I am around this area, and if you are..and he begins/and will start his ministry...I'll point him out to you. As I recalled he told me his name was Darren, but not for sure, but close. Not a bad combination huh..Danny/Darren...sounds like God's operational performance!

Psalms 25:7
Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O LORD.



You make a good Judah/Judas friend...as you have alot of hate in you.

on another note

also I read in the Book of Enoch to which you referred us herein, what Enoch had said regarding being beneath the wings of the Lord of Spirits

then elsewhere within that same group of writings I believe it indicated that ALL the Elect dwelled beneath the wings of same as that was their portion or lot

since Enoch was clearly one of the Elect who were predestined and foreordained, having been justified in the first earth Age (while all were yet in spiritual bodies)

then he would indeed have dwelled beneath said wings "prior to having been born from above thru the waters of the womb" herein" when he was placed in his flesh mothers womb thereafter to fulfill his role on earth within this current Age

part of his spirit would therefore have remembered such as having been his former "portion and lot" as you have already advised us, yet I don't believe he mentioned being the only one who shared in that lot with him specifically at that time, just that he longed for that place and had recall of having been in that position himself prior to having been born of the flesh

clarity please, if any is due me?

thanks again

we were all in Paradise prior to having been sent forth into our mothers wombs within this Age

as all were ordained to "be born again, which means "born from above" into bodies of flesh herein

hope I'm not out or order or bothering you, it's just that you give such clear cut summaries of what it is you are attempting to share

and we appreciate it, and/or I do, greatly

; )

Good point... However God didnt make it very clear in the old testiment that he was also Jesus Christ