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#Ukraine, a country of superlatives. And now another award as the MOST #CORRUPT nation in #Europe. A land of cheaters and con artists #EU


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Welcome to the most corrupt nation in Europe [link to www.theguardian.com] … #Ukraine
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Good find. Very interesting article. Wind is slowly changing directions it appears.

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Dacic calls for "three day truce" in eastern Ukraine

"On humanitarian grounds, the OSCE chairman calls on all actors in and around the Debaltsevo area to establish a local temporary truce for a minimum of three days, which should take immediate effect and be facilitated and supported by the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission to Ukraine," the OSCE said.

This would allow for an urgent evacuation of civilian population from the conflict zone, the Serbian foreign minister and OSCE chairman-in-office was quoted as saying. <50% [link to www.b92.net]
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This article by The Saker is priceless.. below is just a very small excerpt.


From Napoleon to Adolf Hitler to Conchita Wurst

This latest crisis in the Ukraine really did "break" something in the Russian national awareness and now I think that the prevailing feeling in Russia about the West is simply disgust.


The new Europe
Disgust with the total hypocrisy of standing in theory for one thing and in supporting its exact opposite.
Disgust with an entire political system built on lies.
Disgust with a society which values homosexual "rights" to adopt children much more then the right of Novorussian children to live.
Disgust with the obscene whining of millions of "Charlies" combined the total heartless indifference towards thousands of killed civilians every day.
Disgust with an EU subservience to the USA even when it clearly goes against one own's national interest.
Disgust with a society which bans Nazi symbols or even an honest investigation of the so-called "Holocaust" but sends billions of dollars in support of Nazis in Kiev.
Disgust with a society which did not have the moral fiber to resist Hitler and which had to be freed from Hitler by Stalin.
Disgust for a society which now apparently "forgot" who freed it from Hitler.
Disgust for a society which is willing to commit economic seppuku just to please its imperial overlord, Uncle Sam.
Disgust with central Europeans for having nothing more to offer to their new masters then a competition of which country can be most hysterically anti-Russian (Poland and Latvia win) even though they all had it much better then Russia under Communist rule.

If Napoleon was hated and Hitler was feared, Conchita Wurst is simply despised. Even the Russian liberals, who still get plenty of time on Russian TV, now find nothing better to say than "our government is every bit as bad the those in the West" - hardly an enthusiastic response. The fact is that for all practical purposes, and for the first time in over 300 years, there really is no more truly pro-European or pro-Western camp in Russia, not in the elites, not amongst the common people. Oh sure, there are still plenty of 5th columnists in the top echelons of power (we have the West of 1980s and 1990s to thank for that too), but they cannot openly show their face and promote their ideas. Even they now have to pretend that they are disgusted with West and "patriotic". This process is made even deeper by another very important factor:

Much more at link.

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Citizen of EU @wavetossed 11m

#Ukraine, a country of superlatives. And now another award as the MOST #CORRUPT nation in #Europe. A land of cheaters and con artists #EU


Ton Kraanen @Baka_62 1h

Welcome to the most corrupt nation in Europe [link to www.theguardian.com] … #Ukraine
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Good find. Very interesting article. Wind is slowly changing directions it appears.

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European msm is pushing the brakes. Americans still with a hard on.
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Again sheling of donetsk, though the city is under NAF control

From where does it emerge? What is the range of these misslies?

NAF has declared that they're determined to go as far as neseccary to stop the bombardment from the western side

But how far must they go to reach this? Kiev, or even farther???

Somewhere i've read that the ukraine is a try by the kazhars to establish Israel 2.0. That would mean provocation without end, without regards to deals or truce. Start an attack and blame it on the other side - again and again and agian and...

What is this third force that's ordering this undercover manoveurs. Even if the hardliners in Kiev would get rid of there'd be absolutely no garantue that the attacks would stop!
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Again sheling of donetsk, though the city is under NAF control

From where does it emerge? What is the range of these misslies?

NAF has declared that they're determined to go as far as neseccary to stop the bombardment from the western side

But how far must they go to reach this? Kiev, or even farther???

Somewhere i've read that the ukraine is a try by the kazhars to establish Israel 2.0. That would mean provocation without end, without regards to deals or truce. Start an attack and blame it on the other side - again and again and agian and...

What is this third force that's ordering this undercover manoveurs. Even if the hardliners in Kiev would get rid of there'd be absolutely no garantue that the attacks would stop!
 Quoting: Alahndro


Straight light blue arrows is direction artillery is using.
As you can see Peski is taken but behind it are two arrows stationed prop in the next village, facing Donetsk.

They dont use just GRAD's but Smerch, Pions and so on. Range is from 30-40 km. And Avdiivka is still not taken.

[link to voicesevas.cdnvideo.ru]
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In fairness I,m quite happy for NWO shills to come here, as we can have fun destroying there arguements and info, letting people find out the real truth.
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I hear ya. But spaintard(his name realy isnt fair towards Spaniards) should be exiled here. There's no point in interacting with him...at all.
 Quoting: Matjaz


Just stick him on your ignore list, that option is available for good reason.
 Quoting: firinne


But he's an AC, cant be done cow on a side note does anybody have a link to subtitled video of Givi cutting ukie ribbons. Its 20+ min video and I missed it the other day. Thank you.
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Right now I found only that version. It is full footage but graphic scenes are not shown:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Again sheling of donetsk, though the city is under NAF control

From where does it emerge? What is the range of these misslies?

NAF has declared that they're determined to go as far as neseccary to stop the bombardment from the western side

But how far must they go to reach this? Kiev, or even farther???

Somewhere i've read that the ukraine is a try by the kazhars to establish Israel 2.0. That would mean provocation without end, without regards to deals or truce. Start an attack and blame it on the other side - again and again and agian and...

What is this third force that's ordering this undercover manoveurs. Even if the hardliners in Kiev would get rid of there'd be absolutely no garantue that the attacks would stop!
 Quoting: Alahndro


Straight light blue arrows is direction artillery is using.
As you can see Peski is taken but behind it are two arrows stationed prop in the next village, facing Donetsk.

They dont use just GRAD's but Smerch, Pions and so on. Range is from 30-40 km. And Avdiivka is still not taken.

[link to voicesevas.cdnvideo.ru]
 Quoting: Matjaz


Smerch has range about 90km I think. Pion over 50 with RAPs and Grads about 20km...
“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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I hear ya. But spaintard(his name realy isnt fair towards Spaniards) should be exiled here. There's no point in interacting with him...at all.
 Quoting: Matjaz


Just stick him on your ignore list, that option is available for good reason.
 Quoting: firinne


But he's an AC, cant be done cow on a side note does anybody have a link to subtitled video of Givi cutting ukie ribbons. Its 20+ min video and I missed it the other day. Thank you.
 Quoting: Matjaz


Right now I found only that version. It is full footage but graphic scenes are not shown:


[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
 Quoting: KneelB4Zod!


Great thanks! Doesnt matter I rarely watch the gore scenes. Cant stand that shit...
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marqs &#8207;@MarQs__ · 45 min.
Russian proxies consolidate mil equipment, arms, ammo and manpower to attack #Debaltseve - NSDC

marqs &#8207;@MarQs__ · 45 min.
Battle of #Popasnaya: More than 12 militants dead and captive-Belarusians
[link to informator.lg.ua]

marqs &#8207;@MarQs__ · 43 min.
UPDATE: Civilian death toll in #Donetsk hospital shelling rises to 15 acc. to unconfirmed reports

“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
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"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Crater is 5 meters in diameter. Today's shelling #Donetsk

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Again sheling of donetsk, though the city is under NAF control

From where does it emerge? What is the range of these misslies?

NAF has declared that they're determined to go as far as neseccary to stop the bombardment from the western side

But how far must they go to reach this? Kiev, or even farther???

Somewhere i've read that the ukraine is a try by the kazhars to establish Israel 2.0. That would mean provocation without end, without regards to deals or truce. Start an attack and blame it on the other side - again and again and agian and...

What is this third force that's ordering this undercover manoveurs. Even if the hardliners in Kiev would get rid of there'd be absolutely no garantue that the attacks would stop!
 Quoting: Alahndro


Straight light blue arrows is direction artillery is using.
As you can see Peski is taken but behind it are two arrows stationed prop in the next village, facing Donetsk.

They dont use just GRAD's but Smerch, Pions and so on. Range is from 30-40 km. And Avdiivka is still not taken.

[link to voicesevas.cdnvideo.ru]
 Quoting: Matjaz


Smerch has range about 90km I think. Pion over 50 with RAPs and Grads about 20km...
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Then they will have to push them to Slavyansk and beyond.
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@oivshina 13m
Crater is 5 meters in diameter. Today's shelling #Donetsk

[link to pbs.twimg.com (secure)]
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That could be Smerch rocket.
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Army of the LNR during current military operations:


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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Ukrainian UAV shot down nearby Irmino


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“You don’t fear death, you welcome it. Your punishment must be more severe.” - Bane

"This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one. It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom. But like every one of the super-states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace." - "The Obsolete Man" - The Twilight Zone, 1961
________________________________________________________​__________________
"I assure you, ladies and gentlemen that, very soon history will show that we and our allies have fought a war on behalf of the whole world against terrorism supported by governments that will be held accountable by its own people..."
Quoting Dostoyevsky:
"Rest assured, hell is big enough for all. It doesn't deserve this fierce competition over who will be the worst." - Dr. Bashar Jaafari, UNSC session, 22nd of February, 2018 [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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Images from aftermath of #Ukraine's army shelling of hospital in #Donetsk. Several killed. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] …

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Bill on Crimea’s illegitimate inclusion in Ukraine prepared in Russia

MOSCOW, February 4. /TASS/. A bill on Crimea’s illegitimate transfer to Soviet Ukraine in 1954 has been prepared and is under the stage of a legal expert study, Speaker of the Federation Council (the upper house of Russia’s parliament) Valentina Matviyenko said on Wednesday

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This article by The Saker is priceless.. below is just a very small excerpt.


From Napoleon to Adolf Hitler to Conchita Wurst

This latest crisis in the Ukraine really did "break" something in the Russian national awareness and now I think that the prevailing feeling in Russia about the West is simply disgust.


The new Europe
Disgust with the total hypocrisy of standing in theory for one thing and in supporting its exact opposite.
Disgust with an entire political system built on lies.
Disgust with a society which values homosexual "rights" to adopt children much more then the right of Novorussian children to live.
Disgust with the obscene whining of millions of "Charlies" combined the total heartless indifference towards thousands of killed civilians every day.
Disgust with an EU subservience to the USA even when it clearly goes against one own's national interest.
Disgust with a society which bans Nazi symbols or even an honest investigation of the so-called "Holocaust" but sends billions of dollars in support of Nazis in Kiev.
Disgust with a society which did not have the moral fiber to resist Hitler and which had to be freed from Hitler by Stalin.
Disgust for a society which now apparently "forgot" who freed it from Hitler.
Disgust for a society which is willing to commit economic seppuku just to please its imperial overlord, Uncle Sam.
Disgust with central Europeans for having nothing more to offer to their new masters then a competition of which country can be most hysterically anti-Russian (Poland and Latvia win) even though they all had it much better then Russia under Communist rule.

If Napoleon was hated and Hitler was feared, Conchita Wurst is simply despised. Even the Russian liberals, who still get plenty of time on Russian TV, now find nothing better to say than "our government is every bit as bad the those in the West" - hardly an enthusiastic response. The fact is that for all practical purposes, and for the first time in over 300 years, there really is no more truly pro-European or pro-Western camp in Russia, not in the elites, not amongst the common people. Oh sure, there are still plenty of 5th columnists in the top echelons of power (we have the West of 1980s and 1990s to thank for that too), but they cannot openly show their face and promote their ideas. Even they now have to pretend that they are disgusted with West and "patriotic". This process is made even deeper by another very important factor:

Much more at link.

[link to vineyardsaker.blogspot.no]

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#Ukies offer ceasefire in #Debaltsevo "4 the civilians" while still shelling civilians everywhere else. cauldron is getting a bit hot 4 them
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#Ukie #Nazguard opened fire on civilian convoy trying to leave #Chernukin, killing people in the first vehicle. others forced back
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IN THE NOW @INTHENOWRT 12m

The #CIA’s 8 balls: U.S. intelligence predicted #Ukraine's crisis 15 years ago. [link to youtu.be]


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IN THE NOW @INTHENOWRT 12m

The #CIA’s 8 balls: U.S. intelligence predicted #Ukraine's crisis 15 years ago. [link to youtu.be]


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Love this Reporter, especially after she completely dismantled Christiane Amanpour, live. Censored by CNN. off course.

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“Kiev should not expect military superiority”—Zakharchenko"

Donetsk, February 2, RIA Novosti. Kiev should not expect to gain military superiority over the militias of the people’s republics, Aleksandr Zakharchenko said on Monday.

“If Poroshenko thinks that his army can compete with ours, let him see how quickly we took Uglegorsk,” said Poroshenko, appearing before journalists together with the head of the LPR, Igor Plotnitskiy.

“They are throwing into battle untrained reservists who can’t even tell the business end of a rifle. We have high morale, we have lived here, we live here now, and will continue to do so, this is our land,” added Zakharchenko.

He reminded that, in view of another wave of Ukrainian mobilization, DPR and LPR made a decision to start the recruitment of volunteers into the militia, and called on the people of Ukraine to turn against the unnecessary war.

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Interview with Dmitry Rogozin, Deputy PM of Russia

And yes, please do press the "cc" button if you want to see the subtitles!

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Before the assault on Nikishino
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Money talks. Putin plans to invite Greek PM Tsipras to Moscow. $10 Billion lifeline from Russia to Greece may be in the works

After the US President Barack Obama showed a renewed interest in helping Greece overcome it's debt difficulties, Russian President Vladimir Putin may be inviting Greek Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, to Moscow for an official visit. Various sources in Athens are saying that Russia can extended a $10 billion lifeline to Greece.

Very interesting development, that of course will be immediately countered.

Link: [link to redpilltimes.com]

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War in the Ukraine
by Alexander Mercouris



1. My key point is that it is not minor tactical movements that are determining the course of this war. It is the level of casualties the Ukrainian military is suffering. They were hammered in the summer and they are being hammered again now.

In my pieces for Russia Insider I quoted the number of Ukrainian military deaths on the basis of official Ukrainian documents obtained by a hacking group as 1,100 for a two week period that covered the battle for Donetsk airport. The NAF today puts the total number of Ukrainian military deaths presumably since the resumption of the fighting at 1,500. Colonel Cassad yesterday was saying that the number could be over 1,800.

The figures of 1,500 and 1,800 cover a longer period than the 1,100 in the hacked Ukrainian documents. The fact that they are all of the same order of magnitude however suggests that all these figures are reliable. If so then that that shows that my guess that the Ukrainian army is suffering deaths at a rate of several hundred a week is probably correct.

2. Of course the NAF is also currently suffering a high rate of losses. However it is clear that these are at a substantially lesser level than the Ukrainian. As I said in the Russia Insider piece an NAF spokesman put the loss ratio at 4 to 1. Colonel Cassad put the total number of NAF deaths at 600 for the same period as that of his 1,800 estimate for Ukrainian deaths. That is a 3 to 1 ratio.

I suspect that the number of NAF deaths over the last 3 weeks is higher than usual because the NAF has been on the attack for most of this period. When that stage ends after the Debaltsevo pocket is fully encircled I would guess the number will fall. By contrast as the pocket collapses the rate of deaths of Ukrainians will rise especially if the pattern of unsuccessful counterattacks the Ukrainians have a habit of launching is followed.

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Money talks. Putin plans to invite Greek PM Tsipras to Moscow. $10 Billion lifeline from Russia to Greece may be in the works

After the US President Barack Obama showed a renewed interest in helping Greece overcome it's debt difficulties, Russian President Vladimir Putin may be inviting Greek Prime Minister, Alexis Tsipras, to Moscow for an official visit. Various sources in Athens are saying that Russia can extended a $10 billion lifeline to Greece.

Very interesting development, that of course will be immediately countered.

Link: [link to redpilltimes.com]

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Why would Russia even consider bailing out the Duetche bank?
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And here is the countermove, or the pre-counter move if you wish.

This is indeed very interesting.

Obama is freaking out that Greece will join the China/Russia camp. US setting up task force to help Greece with its debt

"US President Barack Obama and Treasury Secretary Jack Lew are setting up a US "Task Force" of debt experts that plan to be in Athens to help mediate the current Greek - Brussels debt relief stand off. The fear that Greece may move over to the BRCIS camp is prompting Obama to do whatever is necessary to find a solution to Europe's latest financial crisis."

Task force?? my ass.

Link: [link to redpilltimes.com]

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