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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76427691 United States 04/03/2018 01:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74165282 What about this dream made Jacob rebuke Joseph? Genesis 37:10 ...[Jacob] said unto him, What is this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth? Jacob asks - what is this dream? The dream is a dream of Israel - a land that is not known at that time. Yet - it is the land that God promised Abraham's offspring would inherit. In Rev 12 we see this same scenario - but it includes Joseph as one of the stars: Rev 12:And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars The 12 stars are symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel: The twelve tribes of Israel are referred to twice in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) - and twice in the Book of Revelation Rev 7 we learn these 12 tribes play a prominent role in end times prophecy: 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.... --- 12,000 individuals from each tribe are sealed to protect them during the great tribulation. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76431357 United States 04/04/2018 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76414322 Jacob asks - what is this dream? The dream is a dream of Israel - a land that is not known at that time. Yet - it is the land that God promised Abraham's offspring would inherit. In Rev 12 we see this same scenario - but it includes Joseph as one of the stars: Rev 12:And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars The 12 stars are symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel: The twelve tribes of Israel are referred to twice in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) - and twice in the Book of Revelation Rev 7 we learn these 12 tribes play a prominent role in end times prophecy: 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.... --- 12,000 individuals from each tribe are sealed to protect them during the great tribulation. It will be their responsibility to spread the gospel to all the world - meaning most likely, they will be native to many nations - not just Israel. Rev 14:4...These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.... 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people ----- Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76434974 United States 04/05/2018 09:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72028116 In Rev 12 we see this same scenario - but it includes Joseph as one of the stars: Rev 12:And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars The 12 stars are symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel: The twelve tribes of Israel are referred to twice in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) - and twice in the Book of Revelation Rev 7 we learn these 12 tribes play a prominent role in end times prophecy: 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.... --- 12,000 individuals from each tribe are sealed to protect them during the great tribulation. It will be their responsibility to spread the gospel to all the world - meaning most likely, they will be native to many nations - not just Israel. Rev 14:4...These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.... 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people ----- Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. So we see Joseph got himself in a predicament by revealing his dreams (actually prophecies). Of course, being young, honest & forthright - he just gave a literal interpretation of them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71721604 United States 04/06/2018 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76420919 The 12 stars are symbolic of the 12 tribes of Israel: The twelve tribes of Israel are referred to twice in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John) - and twice in the Book of Revelation Rev 7 we learn these 12 tribes play a prominent role in end times prophecy: 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.... --- 12,000 individuals from each tribe are sealed to protect them during the great tribulation. It will be their responsibility to spread the gospel to all the world - meaning most likely, they will be native to many nations - not just Israel. Rev 14:4...These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.... 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people ----- Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. So we see Joseph got himself in a predicament by revealing his dreams (actually prophecies). Of course, being young, honest & forthright - he just gave a literal interpretation of them. Now, Joseph's brothers hated him so much, they plotted to kill him |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71721604 United States 04/06/2018 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76427691 Rev 7 we learn these 12 tribes play a prominent role in end times prophecy: 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nephthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand.... --- 12,000 individuals from each tribe are sealed to protect them during the great tribulation. It will be their responsibility to spread the gospel to all the world - meaning most likely, they will be native to many nations - not just Israel. Rev 14:4...These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.... 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people ----- Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. So we see Joseph got himself in a predicament by revealing his dreams (actually prophecies). Of course, being young, honest & forthright - he just gave a literal interpretation of them. Now, Joseph's brothers hated him so much, they plotted to kill him Continuing with a comparison of Israel to Joseph - her neighbors hate her so much - they plot to destroy the little nation |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76441813 United States 04/07/2018 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76431357 It will be their responsibility to spread the gospel to all the world - meaning most likely, they will be native to many nations - not just Israel. Rev 14:4...These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth.... 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people ----- Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. So we see Joseph got himself in a predicament by revealing his dreams (actually prophecies). Of course, being young, honest & forthright - he just gave a literal interpretation of them. Now, Joseph's brothers hated him so much, they plotted to kill him Continuing with a comparison of Israel to Joseph - her neighbors hate her so much - they plot to destroy the little nation Psalm 83 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76449124 United States 04/09/2018 08:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76434974 So we see Joseph got himself in a predicament by revealing his dreams (actually prophecies). Of course, being young, honest & forthright - he just gave a literal interpretation of them. Now, Joseph's brothers hated him so much, they plotted to kill him Continuing with a comparison of Israel to Joseph - her neighbors hate her so much - they plot to destroy the little nation Psalm 83 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. Jacob sent his beloved Joseph to his untimely death; or at least that's what he was led to believe: Genesis 37:13 And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not thy brethren feed the flock in Shechem? come, and I will send thee unto them. And he said to him, Here am I. So Joseph went to Shechem... 18 And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76458127 United States 04/11/2018 07:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71721604 Now, Joseph's brothers hated him so much, they plotted to kill him Continuing with a comparison of Israel to Joseph - her neighbors hate her so much - they plot to destroy the little nation Psalm 83 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. Jacob sent his beloved Joseph to his untimely death; or at least that's what he was led to believe: Genesis 37:13 And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not thy brethren feed the flock in Shechem? come, and I will send thee unto them. And he said to him, Here am I. So Joseph went to Shechem... 18 And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him. You wouldn't think God would let someone as innocent as Joseph go into captivity - but that's exactly what happens. Same with the Israelis - they believed God would always protect them. But he let them go into captivity. Difference was - they weren't innocent. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76462742 United States 04/12/2018 08:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71721604 Continuing with a comparison of Israel to Joseph - her neighbors hate her so much - they plot to destroy the little nation Psalm 83 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. Jacob sent his beloved Joseph to his untimely death; or at least that's what he was led to believe: Genesis 37:13 And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not thy brethren feed the flock in Shechem? come, and I will send thee unto them. And he said to him, Here am I. So Joseph went to Shechem... 18 And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him. You wouldn't think God would let someone as innocent as Joseph go into captivity - but that's exactly what happens. Same with the Israelis - they believed God would always protect them. But he let them go into captivity. Difference was - they weren't innocent. Joseph went into captivity - Israelis went into captivity; albeit for different reasons But I am getting ahead of myself Continuing with story of Joseph: Genesis 37:19 And they said one to another, Behold, this dreamer cometh. 20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467125 United States 04/13/2018 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76441813 Psalm 83 2 For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head. 4 They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance. Jacob sent his beloved Joseph to his untimely death; or at least that's what he was led to believe: Genesis 37:13 And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not thy brethren feed the flock in Shechem? come, and I will send thee unto them. And he said to him, Here am I. So Joseph went to Shechem... 18 And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him. You wouldn't think God would let someone as innocent as Joseph go into captivity - but that's exactly what happens. Same with the Israelis - they believed God would always protect them. But he let them go into captivity. Difference was - they weren't innocent. Joseph went into captivity - Israelis went into captivity; albeit for different reasons But I am getting ahead of myself Continuing with story of Joseph: Genesis 37:19 And they said one to another, Behold, this dreamer cometh. 20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams. Fortunately, one of his brothers had a level head & objected to this act of violence: Genesis 37:21 And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him. 22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76472081 United States 04/14/2018 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76449124 Jacob sent his beloved Joseph to his untimely death; or at least that's what he was led to believe: Genesis 37:13 And Israel said unto Joseph, Do not thy brethren feed the flock in Shechem? come, and I will send thee unto them. And he said to him, Here am I. So Joseph went to Shechem... 18 And when they saw him afar off, even before he came near unto them, they conspired against him to slay him. You wouldn't think God would let someone as innocent as Joseph go into captivity - but that's exactly what happens. Same with the Israelis - they believed God would always protect them. But he let them go into captivity. Difference was - they weren't innocent. Joseph went into captivity - Israelis went into captivity; albeit for different reasons But I am getting ahead of myself Continuing with story of Joseph: Genesis 37:19 And they said one to another, Behold, this dreamer cometh. 20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams. Fortunately, one of his brothers had a level head & objected to this act of violence: Genesis 37:21 And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him. 22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again. The brothers agreed not to kill Joseph - but still wanted rid of him: Genesis 37:23 And it came to pass, when Joseph was come unto his brethren, that they stript Joseph out of his coat, his coat of many colours that was on him; 24 And they took him, and cast him into a pit: and the pit was empty, there was no water in it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76476267 United States 04/15/2018 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76458127 You wouldn't think God would let someone as innocent as Joseph go into captivity - but that's exactly what happens. Same with the Israelis - they believed God would always protect them. But he let them go into captivity. Difference was - they weren't innocent. Joseph went into captivity - Israelis went into captivity; albeit for different reasons But I am getting ahead of myself Continuing with story of Joseph: Genesis 37:19 And they said one to another, Behold, this dreamer cometh. 20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams. Fortunately, one of his brothers had a level head & objected to this act of violence: Genesis 37:21 And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him. 22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again. The brothers agreed not to kill Joseph - but still wanted rid of him: Genesis 37:23 And it came to pass, when Joseph was come unto his brethren, that they stript Joseph out of his coat, his coat of many colours that was on him; 24 And they took him, and cast him into a pit: and the pit was empty, there was no water in it. Summary life of Joseph & comparison to Israel up to this point: Both Joseph and Israel were reviled and hated Both had plots against them to get rid of them completely Both held captive by the ones who hated them Joseph was betrayed by his brothers Israel believed God would never punish them for their iniquities and disobedience: Micah 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the Lord, and say, Is not the Lord among us? none evil can come upon us. |
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hi there User ID: 1584073 United States 04/16/2018 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | very interesting thread..i couldn't find the verse, but I thought there was something about God "resetting" the earth..and that there have been several in the past, if so, wouldn't that mean everythings erased? As they say, "history repeats itself" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76480437 United States 04/16/2018 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76462742 Joseph went into captivity - Israelis went into captivity; albeit for different reasons But I am getting ahead of myself Continuing with story of Joseph: Genesis 37:19 And they said one to another, Behold, this dreamer cometh. 20 Come now therefore, and let us slay him, and cast him into some pit, and we will say, Some evil beast hath devoured him: and we shall see what will become of his dreams. Fortunately, one of his brothers had a level head & objected to this act of violence: Genesis 37:21 And Reuben heard it, and he delivered him out of their hands; and said, Let us not kill him. 22 And Reuben said unto them, Shed no blood, but cast him into this pit that is in the wilderness, and lay no hand upon him; that he might rid him out of their hands, to deliver him to his father again. The brothers agreed not to kill Joseph - but still wanted rid of him: Genesis 37:23 And it came to pass, when Joseph was come unto his brethren, that they stript Joseph out of his coat, his coat of many colours that was on him; 24 And they took him, and cast him into a pit: and the pit was empty, there was no water in it. Summary life of Joseph & comparison to Israel up to this point: Both Joseph and Israel were reviled and hated Both had plots against them to get rid of them completely Both held captive by the ones who hated them Joseph was betrayed by his brothers Israel believed God would never punish them for their iniquities and disobedience: Micah 3:11 The heads thereof judge for reward, and the priests thereof teach for hire, and the prophets thereof divine for money: yet will they lean upon the Lord, and say, Is not the Lord among us? none evil can come upon us. While Reuben was off tending the flock his brothers saw the ideal way to rid of Joseph: Genesis 37:26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood? 28 Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76480437 United States 04/16/2018 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | very interesting thread..i couldn't find the verse, but I thought there was something about God "resetting" the earth..and that there have been several in the past, if so, wouldn't that mean everythings erased? As they say, "history repeats itself" Quoting: hi there 1584073 Thank you There is this from Rev 21: And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. ---- When Jesus returns - the world will be in such a mess - there may be a supernatural cleansing. But the bible gives no specifics on this that I'm aware of. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76480437 United States 04/16/2018 08:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oops - Post was mangled Continuing the story of Joseph: While Reuben was off tending the flock his brothers saw the ideal way to rid of Joseph: Genesis 37:26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood? 28 Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76484612 United States 04/17/2018 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oops - Post was mangled Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76480437 Continuing the story of Joseph: While Reuben was off tending the flock his brothers saw the ideal way to rid of Joseph: Genesis 37:26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood? 28 Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt. It appeared Reuben was the only brother who cared about Joseph's welfare: Genesis 37:29 And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76488595 United States 04/18/2018 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oops - Post was mangled Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76480437 Continuing the story of Joseph: While Reuben was off tending the flock his brothers saw the ideal way to rid of Joseph: Genesis 37:26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood? 28 Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt. It appeared Reuben was the only brother who cared about Joseph's welfare: Genesis 37:29 And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes. Now they prepare the coat to complete their deception: Genesis 37:30 And he returned unto his brethren, and said, The child is not; and I, whither shall I go? 31 And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76492423 United States 04/19/2018 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oops - Post was mangled Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76480437 Continuing the story of Joseph: While Reuben was off tending the flock his brothers saw the ideal way to rid of Joseph: Genesis 37:26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood? 28 Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt. It appeared Reuben was the only brother who cared about Joseph's welfare: Genesis 37:29 And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes. Now they prepare the coat to complete their deception: Genesis 37:30 And he returned unto his brethren, and said, The child is not; and I, whither shall I go? 31 And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; When they returned home, they gave the coat to their father and asked if it was Josephs: Genesis 37:32 And they sent the coat of many colours, and they brought it to their father; and said, This have we found: know now whether it be thy son's coat or no. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76496095 United States 04/20/2018 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oops - Post was mangled Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76480437 Continuing the story of Joseph: While Reuben was off tending the flock his brothers saw the ideal way to rid of Joseph: Genesis 37:26 And Judah said unto his brethren, What profit is it if we slay our brother, and conceal his blood? 28 Then there passed by Midianites merchantmen; and they drew and lifted up Joseph out of the pit, and sold Joseph to the Ishmeelites for twenty pieces of silver: and they brought Joseph into Egypt. It appeared Reuben was the only brother who cared about Joseph's welfare: Genesis 37:29 And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes. Now they prepare the coat to complete their deception: Genesis 37:30 And he returned unto his brethren, and said, The child is not; and I, whither shall I go? 31 And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; When they returned home, they gave the coat to their father and asked if it was Josephs: Genesis 37:32 And they sent the coat of many colours, and they brought it to their father; and said, This have we found: know now whether it be thy son's coat or no. Grief stricken - Jacob had no suspicion what horrendous deed his sons did to their very own flesh and blood: Genesis 37:33 And he knew it, and said, It is my son's coat; an evil beast hath devoured him; Joseph is without doubt rent in pieces. 34 And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76499491 United States 04/21/2018 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76484612 It appeared Reuben was the only brother who cared about Joseph's welfare: Genesis 37:29 And Reuben returned unto the pit; and, behold, Joseph was not in the pit; and he rent his clothes. Now they prepare the coat to complete their deception: Genesis 37:30 And he returned unto his brethren, and said, The child is not; and I, whither shall I go? 31 And they took Joseph's coat, and killed a kid of the goats, and dipped the coat in the blood; When they returned home, they gave the coat to their father and asked if it was Josephs: Genesis 37:32 And they sent the coat of many colours, and they brought it to their father; and said, This have we found: know now whether it be thy son's coat or no. Grief stricken - Jacob had no suspicion what horrendous deed his sons did to their very own flesh and blood: Genesis 37:33 And he knew it, and said, It is my son's coat; an evil beast hath devoured him; Joseph is without doubt rent in pieces. 34 And Jacob rent his clothes, and put sackcloth upon his loins, and mourned for his son many days. While his father was mourning his loss - Joseph was being sold again: Genesis 37:35 And all his sons and all his daughters rose up to comfort him; but he refused to be comforted; and he said, For I will go down into the grave unto my son mourning. Thus his father wept for him. 36 And the Midianites sold him into Egypt unto Potiphar, an officer of Pharaoh's, and captain of the guard. |
Juju User ID: 63404857 Canada 04/21/2018 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Connections from Joseph that relate to the 144,000. Quoting: Juju 63404857 Joseph was a sheep herder.144,000 Apostles collect the flock. Joseph was the kings cup bearer.The 144,000 will be cup bearers to the king of kings.(most likely the same cup Jesus passed around to the 12 Apostles). Joseph was in charge of the grain(bread of life) during a famine.The 144,000 give bread during a spiritual famine. There's probably some things I forgot.Joseph himself called himself a remnant so that Israel can be saved. Never gave much thought to Joseph's influence on end times prophecies - but from what you said it may be possible he's one of the 2 witnesses of the great tribulation :) What is it they said of him - he was the closest 'Jesus like' personality of the old testament? It's the ones God has set aside who give witness to the Word of the Lord.Like Moses and his brother Aaron.Both who are a remnant of Israel who are held as slaves in Egypt.They are two witnesses. Remember that God told Moses that Aaron would speak to the people for Moses and it will be as if his mouth would be as it were as if Moses were speaking,and would be as if Moses were God to him?(Aaron). Both are a remnant and two witnesses. Another would be Joshua and Caleb.The only Two that made it across the Jordan river into the promise land.Two of whom witnessed God freeing Israel from Egypt.Both are a remnant and two witnesses in that sense. Even the two spies sent into Jericho are two witnesses and a remnant.(sent to give a testimony on Jericho defences. The remaining remnant of Israel after 40 years in the dessert,who are set aside as a remnant from the remnant lol. Crazy huh?. Theres even more to that story.When Rahab hides the two spies under stalks of flax it represents the Two Witnesses building the walls/roads of New Jerusalem.Flax was used to strengthen bricks in thoses days. Rahab made them promise to spare her and her family and all that are her's.And she lives among the Israelites to this day.Rahab the prostitute is a spiritual prostitute today.The two spies gave her their word by saying "our lifes for yours"which is what the 144,000 do.The Rev verse saying "come out from her my people" fulfills that promise. Who laid down the scarlet rope which is symbolic of the blood of Jesus?The two witnesses,who are infact set aside as a remnant. One more connection on who the Two Witnesses is in the story of Gideon's army.God said Gideon's army was too big so he cut it down smaller and smaller,till only a remnant was left. During the night God told Gideon to go along with his servant Purah to spie on the enemy encampment before giving the Midianites into their hands. Again,the remnant and two witnesses are one and the same. In Rev the 144,000 will be spies of sorts,which I don't quite understand just yet,but check out youtube videos and you'll have people testifying that the 144,000 will be as spies. The Two Witnesses give testimony of it.(OT/NT) This is a long post considering i'm on a gaming console.And theres alot more.Didn't the Levites rally to Moses when asked who is for God after coming down with the 10 commandments and later set aside to serve God as priests? Who later rebuilt the walls of Israel after being slaves in Babylon? A remnant of Israel.Not only that,it was the Levites who rebuilt the walls and gates.Who was among them and led the task?Zerubbabel! Who is given the Lords signet ring in Haggia 2:23 and in Zechariah 4:9 says the hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this temple;his hands will also complete it. Then theres this.Zechariah 3:8-9 Listen,O high priest Joshua and your associates sitted before you,who are men symbolic of things to come.(remnant) I am going to bring my servant the branch.See the stone I have set in front of Joshua!There are seven eyes on that one,and i'll engrave an inscription on it,'says the Lord Almighty,and I'll remove the sin of this land in a single day. After that chapter is the one about the gold lampstand and the two olive trees. Most of what you say is true and some good points. It would make a lot of sense for the 2 witnesses to be compatible, since they will be together for 3 1/2 years. What I don't understand is - what purpose would it serve for the 144k to be spies? Seems to me - they'll have to 'secretly' spread the gospel - since it will probably be illegal. I'm not really sure.Only clues are the two spies of Jericho and Gideon's army that I know of.It's likely spreading the gospel by the 144,000 giving testimony of the Two Witnesses,from what the Bible mentions in Revelation.Makes sense that they be sent out as spies into Mystery Babylon.(the world/hearts of men)They'll be sent out to gather all that are God's, before the last chance to repent has pasted. The story of Rahab comes to mind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76499491 United States 04/21/2018 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75265631 Never gave much thought to Joseph's influence on end times prophecies - but from what you said it may be possible he's one of the 2 witnesses of the great tribulation :) What is it they said of him - he was the closest 'Jesus like' personality of the old testament? It's the ones God has set aside who give witness to the Word of the Lord.Like Moses and his brother Aaron.Both who are a remnant of Israel who are held as slaves in Egypt.They are two witnesses. Remember that God told Moses that Aaron would speak to the people for Moses and it will be as if his mouth would be as it were as if Moses were speaking,and would be as if Moses were God to him?(Aaron). Both are a remnant and two witnesses. Another would be Joshua and Caleb.The only Two that made it across the Jordan river into the promise land.Two of whom witnessed God freeing Israel from Egypt.Both are a remnant and two witnesses in that sense. Even the two spies sent into Jericho are two witnesses and a remnant.(sent to give a testimony on Jericho defences. The remaining remnant of Israel after 40 years in the dessert,who are set aside as a remnant from the remnant lol. Crazy huh?. Theres even more to that story.When Rahab hides the two spies under stalks of flax it represents the Two Witnesses building the walls/roads of New Jerusalem.Flax was used to strengthen bricks in thoses days. Rahab made them promise to spare her and her family and all that are her's.And she lives among the Israelites to this day.Rahab the prostitute is a spiritual prostitute today.The two spies gave her their word by saying "our lifes for yours"which is what the 144,000 do.The Rev verse saying "come out from her my people" fulfills that promise. Who laid down the scarlet rope which is symbolic of the blood of Jesus?The two witnesses,who are infact set aside as a remnant. One more connection on who the Two Witnesses is in the story of Gideon's army.God said Gideon's army was too big so he cut it down smaller and smaller,till only a remnant was left. During the night God told Gideon to go along with his servant Purah to spie on the enemy encampment before giving the Midianites into their hands. Again,the remnant and two witnesses are one and the same. In Rev the 144,000 will be spies of sorts,which I don't quite understand just yet,but check out youtube videos and you'll have people testifying that the 144,000 will be as spies. The Two Witnesses give testimony of it.(OT/NT) This is a long post considering i'm on a gaming console.And theres alot more.Didn't the Levites rally to Moses when asked who is for God after coming down with the 10 commandments and later set aside to serve God as priests? Who later rebuilt the walls of Israel after being slaves in Babylon? A remnant of Israel.Not only that,it was the Levites who rebuilt the walls and gates.Who was among them and led the task?Zerubbabel! Who is given the Lords signet ring in Haggia 2:23 and in Zechariah 4:9 says the hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this temple;his hands will also complete it. Then theres this.Zechariah 3:8-9 Listen,O high priest Joshua and your associates sitted before you,who are men symbolic of things to come.(remnant) I am going to bring my servant the branch.See the stone I have set in front of Joshua!There are seven eyes on that one,and i'll engrave an inscription on it,'says the Lord Almighty,and I'll remove the sin of this land in a single day. After that chapter is the one about the gold lampstand and the two olive trees. Most of what you say is true and some good points. It would make a lot of sense for the 2 witnesses to be compatible, since they will be together for 3 1/2 years. What I don't understand is - what purpose would it serve for the 144k to be spies? Seems to me - they'll have to 'secretly' spread the gospel - since it will probably be illegal. I'm not really sure.Only clues are the two spies of Jericho and Gideon's army that I know of.It's likely spreading the gospel by the 144,000 giving testimony of the Two Witnesses,from what the Bible mentions in Revelation.Makes sense that they be sent out as spies into Mystery Babylon.(the world/hearts of men)They'll be sent out to gather all that are God's, before the last chance to repent has pasted. The story of Rahab comes to mind. It's pretty hard to say what the future holds for the witnesses (144k & 2). We have this from Micah 7 5 Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom. 6 For the son dishonoureth the father, the daughter riseth up against her mother, the daughter in law against her mother in law; a man's enemies are the men of his own house. ---- There will come a time you can't trust even your closest confidants. Notice verse 6 says - a man's enemies will be the men of his own house. ---- The environment will probably even worse than that of the German stasis: East Germans lived in fear under Stasi surveillance where a Network of intimidation saw a third of the population informing on neighbours and friends.... ---- We know an underground will exist because a great multitude of people are turned to righteousness and some beheaded for the testimony of Jesus. Also, brave souls willing to feed and shelter the rebels, since no one can buy or sell without the mark of the beast. Probably an unprecedented time of fear and suspicion, because A.I. will be able to track everyone. So, yes there will be spies and counter spies. Who will they be? Everyone. |
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