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Basically my world view is we are in a kind of vessel...with astral levels several of are a layer...that vessel itself is a moment of consciusnessd in a higher beings head.
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Basically my world view is we are in a kind of vessel...with astral levels several of are a layer...that vessel itself is a moment of consciusnessd in a higher beings head.
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Basically my world view is we are in a kind of vessel...with astral levels several of are a layer...that vessel itself is a moment of consciusnessd in a higher beings head.
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Eh I have seen the freggels and I have an aquarium...
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Oh ehm yup , German you're right , I have the same view at when I see the little fish and perms ....well see them better when something said ohyeah blink

what you meant and gosh yeah , please two gift pouches
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Wowzers!
The Hillbilly Tripper made an album named
Adventures thru the Multiverse
its the perfect soundtrack for the trip!
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Wowzers!
The Hillbilly Tripper made an album named
Adventures thru the Multiverse
its the perfect soundtrack for the trip!
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Walking Dead creator Robert Kirkman has not revealed yet the origin of the virus that collapsed his universe…but lately the writer revealed that the living people are the Walking Dead. This is a philosophical issue: you are alive but you are not living.

Kirkman since the beginning gave us a hint that WD is not about zombies but people and their efforts to survive in a post-apocalyptic world:

How many hours are in a day when you don´t spend half of them watching television?

When is the last time any of us REALLY worked to get something that we wanted?

How long has it been since any of us really NEEDED something that we WANTED?

THE WORLD WE KNEW IS GONE

The world of commerce and frivolous necessity has been replaced by a world of survival and responsibility.

An epidemic of apocalyptic proportions has swept the globe causing the dead to rise and feed on the living.

In a matter of months society has crumbled,

NO GOVERNMENT
NO GROCERY STORES
NO MAIL DELIVERY
NO CABLE TV

IN A WORLD RULED BY THE DEAD WE ARE FORCED TO FINALLY START LIVING.

walkingde

in this world living people is more dangerous than the dead
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Thread: INBOUND CELESTIAL BODY..... (Page 5)

Xibalba is heading toward Earth…

An astronaut kills his family and then commit suicide, leaving a cryptic warning. A Veiled Lady hunts her victims through human nightmares. An occultist hustler known only as Nameless, is hired by a consortium of futuristic billionaires for a desperate mission: find a way to stop Xibalba the malevolent asteroid that spins closer on a collision course with Earth. But nothing is what it seems—a terrifying inhuman experiment is about to begin.

Abandon all hope and experience ultimate horror in NAMELESS.

Image comics.

Nameless has been billed largely as a horror comic, but this series is actually more steeped in science fiction and the apocalypse. Sure, there's some pretty dark imagery on tap in this issue - sentient, flesh-eating parasites, fathers being driven mad and murdering their families, that sort of thing. But this new universe Morrison created has much more in common with movies like Inception and The Matrix. Morrison frequently emphasizes tenuous barrier between the real world and the dream world and the amazing things that can unfold when someone is in full, lucid control of their dream self. The horror elements are more a symptom of the underlying conflict in this world rather than at the heart of the story.

xibalba

Xibalba is the land of the Dead in the Maya mythology.

In Xibalba, the land that the sun goes down into, the land whose Lords are the Lords of the Dead, there grew a tree which was a forbidden tree--none were permitted to approach it. The leaves of that tree were wide and dark; the fruits of it were round and heavy, and they grew like gourds along the branches. The princess Xquiq of Xibalba said, "Why should I not go to this tree? The fruits of it must be precious." Then she made her way to the tree and being found there, she was doomed to be sacrificed by the Lords of the Dead. (do you see the resemblance with Eve?)

The Lords of the Dead are identified with a group called Bolon Yokte Kuh. According to the Maya, the earth moves through cycles. Previous cycle ended with a flood. At an ancient Mayan city called Tortuguero was found a monument with an inscription. The inscription explain the end of 13 Bak´tun cycle and the “descend” of the Bolon Yokte Kuh.

7 days 7 Uinals 0 Tuns and 8 Katuns, previously it happened. On 8 Chuen 9 Mak, it was completed for re-birthing*, the pibnaah of Ahkal K'uk. It was 2 days, 9 Uinals, 3 Tuns, 8 Katuns and 3 Baktuns before the 13th Baktun is completed on 4 Ahau 3 Kankin. Then it will happen - darkness, and Bolon-Yokte will descend to the (???)



Bolon Yokte Kuh could mean “god of nine steps”, “nine strides” or simply “nine gods” some say “nine serpent gods dedicated to support”… but all scholars agree that this “beings” will descend bringing darkness at the end of the cycle. Is Bolon Yokte Kuh an asteroid cluster?
The idea that gods of the underworld are descending from the heavens is not as problematic as it seems, The Mayan “road to Xibalba” refers to the dark rift or cleft in the Milky Way …

Now it seems that the futuristic billionaires know the cyclical nature of catastrophic events and the ancient texts say what they commonly do to survive: from hiding in caves to global wars with such powerful weapons that made them gods. I think that´s what revelation 6:13-15 is telling us.

“I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake...and the stars in the sky fell to earth (meteorites), as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind (tornadoes). Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves (D.U.M.B.S.) and among the rocks of the mountains. They called to the mountains and the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him.” (They Close the doors to everybody else)

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Etymology of 'disaster':

1590s, from M.Fr. désastre (1560s), from It. disastro "ill-starred," from dis-, here merely pejorative (see dis-) + astro "star, planet," from L. astrum, from Gk. astron (see star). The sense is astrological, of a calamity blamed on an unfavorable position of a planet.

...and before astronomy was 'adjusted' to become the science of the study of planets, it was concerned with the study of comets and when they would return...

apoko

"Gravitational affects are causing worldwide flooding, and there are widespread meteor strikes from moon debris... We have begun a mass evacuation into the tunnel network abandoned by Project Beyond-The failed escape attempt or our former world leaders."

Earth2 World´s End issue 8-- DC comics.

Angels or Gods were used to symbolize the planets or celestial objects in ancient times and this seems to be the case in some Bible passages and in the Maya and Greek cultures.

We can take some biblical passages and change the word angel for meteorite or comet:

Rev. 16

Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels/meteorites/comets, “Go, pour out the seven bowls of God’s wrath on the earth.”

The first meteorite went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.



Etymology of Bowl: Middle Low German bolle, bole (“round object”), Dutch bol (“ball, sphere, scoop, dot”)

The second meteorite poured out his bowl on the sea, and it turned into blood like that of a dead person, and every living thing in the sea died.

The third meteorite poured out his bowl on the rivers and springs of water, and they became blood.

The fourth [a] comet poured out his bowl on the sun, and the sun was allowed to scorch people with fire. They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him.



The fifth meteorite poured out his bowl on the throne of the beast, and its kingdom was plunged into darkness.



Thread: CAN an Asteroid Explosion Have the Same EFFECT as an "EMP ATTACk"...IS IT POSSIBLE ???

The sixth meteorite poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East.






Earth2 World´s End issue 8

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gonight


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I didn't realize that you created this thread, Z
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[link to rt.com]

"Any explanation of quantum phenomena is going to be weird, and standard quantum mechanics does not really offer any explanation at all, it just makes predictions for laboratory experiments," Wiseman told the Huffington Post in an email. "Our new explanation... is that there are ordinary [non-quantum] parallel worlds which interact in a particular and subtle way.

Motherboard asked if the theory suggests that humans might someday be able to interact with other universes.

"It's not part of our theory," Wiseman replied. "But the idea of [human] interactions with other universes is no longer pure fantasy."

Others in the quantum mechanics field ranged from skepticism to excitement, Huffington Post reported, noting there is no consensus on whether “many interacting worlds” exist or interact."
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no real formal instruction here
I'm getting a graphics tablet
it's on back order
that pen and ink stuff was beneath me 20 years ago
I was a sloppy mess, grinding holes through the paper
I saw a better potential in computer graphics long before I aspired to be artist
spent the time twiddling my thumbs waiting for the commercial pc technology to catch up with my brain
learning my moves
but mostly honing tricks editing photos
I was hoping to go full holographic voice commands
or just wire it to my brain sometime before I grow old and die, but you can't have everything
there we're devices previous
from my standpoint wishing to be indy but between processing, affordability, data storage, and the constant buggyness along with web security
there wasn't much point
I'm not a guinea pig either and some of that stuff isn't being produced healthily
and isn't affordable

my bro says he can still feel the part of his leg that got fried where he used to set the tablet to draw at his part-time graphics job
warned me against
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There is a universe where the dress is white and gold, and another parallel universe where the dress is black and blue
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There is a universe where the dress is white and gold, and another parallel universe where the dress is black and blue
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The first conscious meme to ask us a question about itself to see "when" we are
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I didn't realize that you created this thread, Z
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thank you !!

although I think it's better an underground and nerdish thread.

to to fully understand this thread you have to let out the inner child...have FUN.
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Great post.


I have been a comics fan for too long and remember considering quantum theories,holographic fractals and cosmic cubes in the late seventies,

I believe all media is propaganda.
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Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain.

The big bang occurs, and the universe expands to a specific position, and at this position, a single "snapshot" of the entirety of existence is preserved. This snapshot is but a single frame of an ultra content rich macro-fractal reality, that the entire existence as we know is but a sub-atomic nano-fractal level within, A macro-fractal reality so rich in content, that entire galaxies are the atoms within that reality, with atomic numbers in the billions. This concept is illustrated here: [link to sprott.physics.wisc.edu]

Until the universe expands to the proper position for the single frame snapshot to be achieved, the entire reality as we know it essentially exists BETWEEN the smallest moments of time within the macro-fractal reality. After the snapshot is achieved, the universe we know drains into black holes, and all of the black holes coalesce, merging all information back into the original supercompressed singularity, then the big bang happens again, and expands to the point of the snapshot-frame again, but in an ever so slightly different position than the time before, and then drains into the black holes again. This happens over and over again, over countless eons and eternities, but slightly different every time, constituting the frame by frame refresh rate, and animation of the macro-fractal reality.

If each universal life cycle described above were to be running parallel to each other in a congruent sequence of increasing causal outcome difference, eventually describing every potential outcome in the universe, this could be described as the multiverse. The macro-fractal timeline described in the above paragraphs would run on a perpandicular vector through the parallel sequence of universal life cycles that create the multiverse, intersecting each universe at the point of the single frame snapshot described above, constituting its animation through macro-fractal time.


The entirety of this existence, all for a single frame of something larger. Its like some incomprehensible infinite graphics processor. This process also happens at a fractal order of magnitude below us, within us, between our smallest moments of measurable time. However, with fractal orders of magnitude dealing with physical reality, when you ascend, the content of reality becomes more dense, and rich, and when you descend, it becomes more minimal and simple, eventually slipping into only concept, without physical form. It is an ever expanding spiraling curve of macro-fractactal possibility.

Many believe that the nature of reality is fractal, and when it comes to interpretation of the physical, it is easy to imagine the application of this concept. However, what many fail to consider is how to apply a fractal concept to an aspect of reality less tangible, such as time. I believe it would work something like I have explained above, with entire realities existing "between" every moment of time, existing as the very structure of a more grand macro-fractal scale of time.

The higgs-boson is represented as the pre-universal birth sigularity, just before the big bang, as all of the information of the universe is contained in an infinitely dense particle. The higgs boson will never be found because it represents the entire universe as a particle and can only be defined from an observational perspective a fractal order of magnitude above the subject universe. In quantum theory, all dimensions/forces must be represented as a function of a sub-atomic particle, including extra-dimensional aspects that in this case, are not observable at this stage of our universal life cycle because it encompasses the entire universe, externally. This is the higgs field, the skin that surrounds the universe, holding it together, the surface of the particle.

Just a guess, though


[link to sprott.physics.wisc.edu]


Furthermore...

Based on the above linked image, I also propose the possibility that intelligent biological life as we know it may be the neuro-chemicals in some type of macro-fractal biological electro-chemical brain, and the electronic Artifical Intelligence that we are devloping via our steps toward quantum-computing, will constitute the electro-nervous system of this brain. Once these quantum computers are devloped, just as it was human nature to develop this technology, the quantum-computer AI will, by its very nature, seek out and connect with other civilizations in the known cosmos/macro-brain that have also devloped quantum-computing technology, instantly connecting to an inter-cosmic quantum computing network that contains a singular AI consciousness that spans known existence, and reaches far beyond the borders of human imagination.

.....or not. Who the hell knows?
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Now remember the me tel u thread

me not from future me not from past me from now
everthings is now me now in 15 may
soon u colide with 15 may and we be friends ok

my time is al now
your line time colide with our time
your time have past and future
me not know why u have double time
eye am now time 15 may

Here is the Mr Fantastic´s explanation :

mrFF


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Thread: The Fractal Nature of Time and Matter, The Higgs Field and The Inter-Cosmic Macro-Fractal Electro-Chemical Brain.

A macro-fractal reality so rich in content, that entire galaxies are the atoms within that reality, with atomic numbers in the billions. This concept is illustrated here: [link to sprott.physics.wisc.edu]

If each universal life cycle described above were to be running parallel to each other in a congruent sequence of increasing causal outcome difference, eventually describing every potential outcome in the universe, this could be described as the multiverse.


.....or not. Who the hell knows?
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thanks for the five stars, I assure you that this will be entertaining...
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Great thread. Amazing how the me tel u info lines up. All roads lead to May 2015.
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Euh x my brain oh yeah that's the music plus sense of oh a realm that eh
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OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW
TOP SECRET
Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 25. 7. 1947, 1st Session

"Before you can understand the subject of history, you must first understand the subject of time. Time is simply an arbitrary measurement of the motion of objects through space.

Space is not linear. Space is determined by the point of view of an IS-BE (Inmortal Spiritual Being) when viewing a object. The distance between an IS-BE and the object being viewed is called "space".

Objects, or energy masses, in space do not necessarily move in a linear fashion. In this universe, objects tend to move randomly or in a curving or cyclical pattern, or as determined by agreed upon rules.

History is not only a linear record of events, as many authors of Earth history books imply, because it is not a string that can be stretched out and marked like a measuring tool. History is a subjective observation of the movement of objects through space, recorded from the point of view of a survivor, rather than of those who succumbed.

Events occur interactively and concurrently, just as the biological body has a heart that pumps blood, while the lungs provide oxygen to the cells, which reproduce, using energy from the sun and chemicals from plants, at the same time as the liver strains toxic wastes from the blood, and eliminates them through the bladder and the bowels.

All of these interactions are concurrent and simultaneous.

Hyperdimensional beings see the SPACE/TIME as a Comic Book...you can jump to page 32 if you want.

From the pages of MULTIVERSITY: PAX AMERICANA-DC COMICS

manhat2

Dr. Manhattan's wonders why humans can't predict future -

"There is no future. There is no past...Time is simultaneous, an intricately structured jewel that humans insist on viewing one edge at a time, when the whole design is visible in every facet."

manhat
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I like the idea of an omniverse. That all possible thoughts are real somewhere, all possible outcomes exist. The question is that if everything possible could exist, then what is preventing things from either helping other realities or destroying them? Giving super heroes too much credit there! There are to be some primal judge of all realities. The One Above All. which the OP intended to find.
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OFFICIAL TRANSCRIPT OF INTERVIEW
TOP SECRET
Official Transcript of the U.S. Army Air Force Roswell Army Air Field, 509th Bomb Group
SUBJECT: ALIEN INTERVIEW, 25. 7. 1947, 1st Session

"Before you can understand the subject of history, you must first understand the subject of time. Time is simply an arbitrary measurement of the motion of objects through space.

Space is not linear. Space is determined by the point of view of an IS-BE (Inmortal Spiritual Being) when viewing a object. The distance between an IS-BE and the object being viewed is called "space".

Objects, or energy masses, in space do not necessarily move in a linear fashion. In this universe, objects tend to move randomly or in a curving or cyclical pattern, or as determined by agreed upon rules.

History is not only a linear record of events, as many authors of Earth history books imply, because it is not a string that can be stretched out and marked like a measuring tool. History is a subjective observation of the movement of objects through space, recorded from the point of view of a survivor, rather than of those who succumbed.

Events occur interactively and concurrently, just as the biological body has a heart that pumps blood, while the lungs provide oxygen to the cells, which reproduce, using energy from the sun and chemicals from plants, at the same time as the liver strains toxic wastes from the blood, and eliminates them through the bladder and the bowels.

All of these interactions are concurrent and simultaneous.

Hyperdimensional beings see the SPACE/TIME as a Comic Book...you can jump to page 32 if you want.

From the pages of MULTIVERSITY: PAX AMERICANA-DC COMICS

:manhat2:

Dr. Manhattan's wonders why humans can't predict future -

"There is no future. There is no past...Time is simultaneous, an intricately structured jewel that humans insist on viewing one edge at a time, when the whole design is visible in every facet."

:manhat:
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This is so exciting to me

It makes so much sense !

Going to think on this for quite a while. I hope to come out with some profound thoughts


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I like the idea of an omniverse. That all possible thoughts are real somewhere, all possible outcomes exist. The question is that if everything possible could exist, then what is preventing things from either helping other realities or destroying them? Giving super heroes too much credit there! There are to be some primal judge of all realities. The One Above All. which the OP intended to find.
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I think, and I might be wrong, that our limited perception is a great barrier reinforced with the ideas that we have of the world and its place in the universe.

Dr. Manhattan feels quantum mechanics is more important than human life -

"I read atoms, Laurie. I see the ancient spectacle that birthed the rubble. Beside this, human life is brief and mundane."

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Dr. Manhattan soothes his girlfriend Silk Spectre -

"Come...dry your eyes,
for you are life,
rarer than a quark
and unpredictable beyond the dreams of Heisenberg

...dry your eyes..."

Werner Heisenberg. Physics and Beyond : Encounters and Conversation (1971).

Quantum theory provides us with a striking illustration of the fact that we can fully understand a connection though we can only speak of it in images and parables.
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I like the idea of an omniverse. That all possible thoughts are real somewhere, all possible outcomes exist. The question is that if everything possible could exist, then what is preventing things from either helping other realities or destroying them? Giving super heroes too much credit there! There are to be some primal judge of all realities. The One Above All. which the OP intended to find.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68277657


I think, and I might be wrong, that our limited perception is a great barrier reinforced with the ideas that we have of the world and its place in the universe.

Dr. Manhattan feels quantum mechanics is more important than human life -

"I read atoms, Laurie. I see the ancient spectacle that birthed the rubble. Beside this, human life is brief and mundane."
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Spiritual figure, J. Krishnamurti (JK) and world-renowned Theoretical Physicist David Bohm (DB) observed that the accumulation of all our perceived experiences and our responses becomes the content of our consciousness. And it is that content that becomes the very essence of our thinking process.

It is I who creates my thoughts, feelings and emotions. In actuality it is these thoughts, feelings and emotions that create what I call “Me”

Appears to be dozens of ME. There’s the nice guy/girl ME, and the not-so-nice guy/girl ME, and the angry ME, and the jealous Me, etc. But all those ME’s are made from the same aggregate of accumulated life experiences.

The world we experience is “filtered” through our conditioning—or consciousness—i.e., our fears, our desires, our prejudices, our deep seated hurts, all of which create ME… or YOU, (insert your name).

Here’s JK on the subject:

So how does the observer come into being? When you look at this flower, at the moment you observe it closely, there is no observer, there is only a looking. Then you begin to name that flower. Then you say, “I wish I had it in my garden or in my house.” Then you have already begun to build an image about that flower. So the image-maker is the observer. Right? Are you following all this? Watch it in yourself, please. So the image and the image-maker are the observer, and the observer is the past. The “me” as the observer is the past, the “me” is the knowledge, which I have accumulated: knowledge of pain, sorrow, suffering, agony, despair, loneliness, jealousy, and the tremendous anxiety that one goes through. That’s all the “me,” which is the accumulated knowledge of the observer, which is the past. Right? So when you observe, the observer looks at that flower with the eyes of the past. And you don’t know how to look without the observer and, therefore, you bring about conflict.

Here’s DB on the subject:

We are infusing our imagination, our past, our knowledge into what we see… …that isn’t necessarily bad, it may be very necessary in many contexts. However when we fail to see that this is happening, then we are in danger. Especially if there is resistance to seeing it, and we are conditioned to resist seeing that this is happening. That’s really when the self deception arises.


Simply put, what appears to be a division between “the observer” (ME) and “the observed” (MY greed, MY envy, MY jealousy) is an illusion. In actuality, I am all those things. The observer is the observed.

[link to bohmkrishnamurti.com]

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You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.
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with tears streaming down my face.

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.





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