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Adventures through the Multiverse..

 
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THE WAY OF INTELLIGENCE--Jiddhu Krishnamurti

Rimpoche: Sir, when the observer observes, he is the matrix of thought, of memories. So long as the observer is observing from this matrix, it is not possible for him to see without naming, because that naming arises out of that matrix. How then can the observer free himself from this matrix?

Krishnamurti: Sir, who is the observer? We take it for granted that the observer is born of the matrix, or that he is the matrix. Or, is the observer the whole movement of the past? Is this a fact to us or an idea? Does the observer himself realize that he is the whole movement of the past? And that as long as he is observing, that which is being observed can never be accurate? I think this is an important question. Can the observer, who is the whole movement of the past, with all his conditioning, ancient and modern, be aware of himself as being conditioned?

The observer is made up of the past and as long as he is rooted in the past, is he able to see the truth of a fact? If he is not aware of himself as the observer who is conditioned, there will be a contradiction between himself and the thing which is being observed, contradiction being a division.

The observer is the practice, the system, the method. Because he is the result of all past practices, methods, experiences, knowledge, the routine, the mechanical process of repetition, he is the past. Therefore, if you introduce another system, method, practice, it is still within the same field.

A systems make the observer more mechanical. Any system will only strengthen the observer.

The past can be negated by observation, but the power of the present will not go unless the past is negated. One is concerned with the present moment.


What is the action necessary to put an end to the movement of the past?



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The sand grains don´t want to be, they don´t desire even if they know that "embedded in their future" there´s a statue...

The First and Last Freedom...J. Krishnamurti.

THOUGHT HAS NOT solved our problems and I don't think it ever will. We have relied on the intellect to show us the way out of our complexity. The more cunning, the more hideous, the more subtle the intellect is, the greater the variety of systems, of theories, of ideas.

Thinking has not solved our problems. The clever ones, the philosophers, the scholars, the political leaders, have not really solved any of our human problems - which are the relationship between you and another, between you and myself. So far we have used the mind, the intellect, to help us investigate the problem and thereby are hoping to find a solution.

Surely thinking is a reaction. If I ask you a question, you respond to it - you respond according to your memory, to your prejudices, to your upbringing, to the climate, to the whole background of your conditioning; you reply accordingly, you think accordingly. The centre of this background is the 'me' in the process of action. So long as that background is not understood, so long as that thought process, that self which creates the problem, is not understood and put an end to, we are bound to have conflict, within and without, in thought, in emotion, in action. No solution of any kind, however clever, however well thought out, can ever put an end to the conflict between man and man, between you and me. Realizing this, being aware of how thought springs up and from what source, then we ask, "Can thought ever come to an end?"

That is one of the problems, is it not? is it possible to look at the problem comprehensively, wholly? Obviously it can be solved only when we can look at it as a whole - not in compartments, not divided. When is that possible? Surely it is only possible when the process of thinking - which has its source in the 'me', the self, in the background of tradition, of conditioning, of prejudice, of hope, of despair - has come to an end.

If, in each one of us, the centre of the 'me' is non-existent, with its desire for power, position, authority, continuance, self-preservation, surely our problems will come to an end!

..."until I climbed the mountain high enough to see everything around me..."

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Dr. Manhattan's wonders why humans can't predict future -


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THE WAY OF INTELLIGENCE--Jiddhu Krishnamurti

Rimpoche: Sir, when the observer observes, he is the matrix of thought, of memories. So long as the observer is observing from this matrix, it is not possible for him to see without naming, because that naming arises out of that matrix. How then can the observer free himself from this matrix?

Krishnamurti: Sir, who is the observer? We take it for granted that the observer is born of the matrix, or that he is the matrix. Or, is the observer the whole movement of the past? Is this a fact to us or an idea? Does the observer himself realize that he is the whole movement of the past? And that as long as he is observing, that which is being observed can never be accurate? I think this is an important question. Can the observer, who is the whole movement of the past, with all his conditioning, ancient and modern, be aware of himself as being conditioned?

The observer is made up of the past and as long as he is rooted in the past, is he able to see the truth of a fact? If he is not aware of himself as the observer who is conditioned, there will be a contradiction between himself and the thing which is being observed, contradiction being a division.

The observer is the practice, the system, the method. Because he is the result of all past practices, methods, experiences, knowledge, the routine, the mechanical process of repetition, he is the past. Therefore, if you introduce another system, method, practice, it is still within the same field.

A systems make the observer more mechanical. Any system will only strengthen the observer.

The past can be negated by observation, but the power of the present will not go unless the past is negated. One is concerned with the present moment.


What is the action necessary to put an end to the movement of the past?



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Death may be the only thing to stop the movement of the past

It's almost as if Manhattan realized he was in love with illusion
:meaningfultear11:

From the Promethea comic series---

Thoth- "Here in my world, the Immateria, you would no longer be a little boy/girl. You'd be a story."

Child- "Would I still be alive? Would I still be able to come back and visit this world?"

Thoth- "You would live eternally, as stories do. As for coming back, well... Sometimes if a story is very special, it can quite take people over."
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Death may be the only thing to stop the movement of the past

It's almost as if Manhattan realized he was in love with illusion

:meaningfultear11:

From the Promethea comic series---

Thoth- "Here in my world, the Immateria, you would no longer be a little boy/girl. You'd be a story."

Child- "Would I still be alive? Would I still be able to come back and visit this world?"

Thoth- "You would live eternally, as stories do. As for coming back, well... Sometimes if a story is very special, it can quite take people over."
 Quoting: Tour Guide


ohyeah

The Nature, Depth and Beauty of Death--JK

What is death? Death means you hold nothing. Never having roots in any place, never having a sense of ownership, possession, attachment so the brain becomes extraordinarily alive, free, and therefore no fear.

One is attached. There is no question about it. Attached to an idea, to a book, to a saying, to your money, to your wife, or to some ideal and so on. One is deeply attached. We are not saying it is right or wrong. One is attached. Death comes along and says sorry! - cuts that attachment, and we want that attachment to continue, and without it - when there is freedom from attachment we feel a bit lost. So we are frightened of death because it may end everything that you have.

what have you? a house, a bank account if you are lucky enough or unlucky enough, a wife, a husband, the pleasure of sex and all the conflict of one's life? At the end...A series of memories... A bundle of memories and nothing else. In that bundle of memories there are all aspirations, wanting, not wanting, seeking God - you know all that, or not seeking God, or saying 'There is only this' - that is, pleasure, money, power. The mundane activities of one's life - that is all one has and death comes along and says, 'You can't carry it with you, it all has to come to an end.

Memories and works/opus are beyond death:

"Child- "Would I still be alive? Would I still be able to come back and visit this world?"

Thoth- "You would live eternally, as stories do.

The ancient books, like the Upanishads, the Vedas and the Hebrew literature, the ancient, and the Bible, Shakespeare, Keats - they are in a way immortal, they are going to last when you and I pop off, they will be there...

where there is immortality, if there is such a thing, then there is no death at all, there is no ending or beginning.

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shit's intense bros... makes me miss the days of dragonballZ and magic school bus..... ahhhh *lamentation ensues*
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y_lovin yup
Love is the only true adventure.
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shit's intense bros... makes me miss the days of dragonballZ and magic school bus..... ahhhh *lamentation ensues*
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y_lovin yup
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…but normal elders now lern on 12 may nucleer type xplode with secret war between same shape eye can make soul brake peces becuase nucleer type xplode can damage other dimesion also

we won war with reptile our line time long ago we evolve then
reptile yor line time keep u back u can not grow

me cee very big and final earth war this line time but u can stop stil

---Me tel U thread---

Hyperdimensional War ... Avengers issue 30

The Marvel universe has been fighting a cosmic battle behind the scenes, a Secret War has destroyed universes.

Recently, the destruction of the universe of Earth-833 was revealed. This reality is home to Spider-UK. While he was fighting the Inheritors as a member of the Spider-Army, his universe was destroyed as the result of an Incursion-collision.

tribu3

Hank Pym a.k.a Yellowjacket was chosen to investigate the war. Pym’s journey is one that chronicles the death of everything and the fact that time is running out. His tale remind us the angst of the biblical apocalypse, when the prophet is not sure what his senses are witnessing, perhaps because his consciousness is not adapted to hyperdimensional realities.

Hank´s brain could not understand much of what he saw:

“…At some point, the mind, the mind becomes incapable of fully understanding what it´s observing…I waited…drifting in space. Among the lifeless bodies of the Builders suspended in zero-gravity grave…like drowned ants floating in water. And then I saw…I´m not sure SAW is even the right word but I saw what followed and that one glimpse caused me to let go of the loose grip I had on my remaining sanity. I went mad. Lost in the fireworks of UNIVERSAL GENOCIDE…And I only found my way back when eternity fractured…perception became possible again…The Beyonders turned, something catching their attention… and then I saw what they saw…the MULTIVERSE taken form…” an entity known as the Tribunal.

tribu

The Beyonders are a threat unlike any of the other apocalypse level threats this Avengers world has faced thus far… The Beyonders battle with the Tribunal and the “fight takes place across all realities at the same time…”

some war outside but human eye not abel 2 see it---Me tel U


"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war… "

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How can doom be fun?
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How can doom be fun?
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because then it becomes religion
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It is I who creates my thoughts, feelings and emotions. In actuality it is these thoughts, feelings and emotions that create what I call “Me”

Appears to be dozens of ME. There’s the nice guy/girl ME, and the not-so-nice guy/girl ME, and the angry ME, and the jealous Me, etc. But all those ME’s are made from the same aggregate of accumulated life experiences.

The world we experience is “filtered” through our conditioning—or consciousness—i.e., our fears, our desires, our prejudices, our deep seated hurts, all of which create ME… or YOU, (insert your name).

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ME, ME, ME!!!

mes

The Architect: Hello, Neo.

Neo: Who are you?

The Architect: I am the Architect. I created the Matrix. I've been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not.
Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also the most irrelevant.

The Architect: You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated.

Neo: Bullshit. [the monitors respond the same]

The Architect: Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it.

The Architect: There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world.

The Architect: There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the Source and the salvation of Zion. The door to your left leads back to the Matrix, to her... and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice.

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IN A WORLD RULED BY THE DEAD WE ARE FORCED TO FINALLY START LIVING.


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7 Survival Tips Learned from the Walking Dead

....The show does a great job at showing us what average people will do in an EOTWAWKI situation, and thanks to their many mistakes, we can learn and be better.


1. Beware of Other Survivors, No Matter How Nice They Seem
2. A Secure Location is Great, But Never Perfect
3. Someone Always Has a Bigger Gun
4. Basic Survival Skills Will Save Your Life
5. “Zombies” are Everywhere
6. Learn Weapons Other Than Guns
7. Always Have Your Bug Out Bag Ready

Read more: [link to readynutrition.com]

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The fourth wall is being broken

That is what is happening
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The fourth wall is being broken

That is what is happening
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Breaking the Fourth Wall

"The fourth wall" is an expression stemming from the world of theater. In most modern theater design, a room will consist of three physical walls, as well as a an imaginary fourth that serves to separate the world of the characters from that of the audience.

In fiction, "breaking the fourth wall" often means having a character become aware of their fictional nature. This can range from your character advising you to "Press X" in a tutorial all the way to Psycho Mantis reading your memory card and mentioning the other games you've been playing. However, the most direct violation of the fourth wall would be a character openly acknowledging they are in a video game or even directly speaking to you, the player, instead of to your character.


Monk: This isn't a game!

-Jak and Daxter look toward the player with confused expressions-

-Man: Have you ever wondered why everything we do is controlled by-

Dog: Stop! Breaking the fourth wall is a bad idea!

Recently Mr. Fantastic has been breaking the 4th wall addressing readers and providing explanations for the collapse of the universe. Commonly appears on a black background which implies that ´he speaks to the audience in front, not back, not the sides but the fourth wall.

This happened in Avengers #1 [2012] from Marvel Comics


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The Crisis on Infinite Earths

[link to dc.wikia.com]
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More regarding the fourth wall.. I'm searching for the fourth wall being broken in real life, as an individual. My own fourth wall. Where my imagination talks to me, my physical character.

"If this were play'd upon a stage now, I would condemn it as improbable fiction."
— Fabian, Twelfth Night


"Bob: Hey, Alice, have you ever noticed how sometimes a character will talk to another character about something that sounds like it's really about the show they're in, but it makes perfect sense in context?

Alice: Yeah! Usually it sounds strained because it's hard to make this kind of dialogue sound completely natural.

Bob: But even if they can't pull it off, it's usually good for a bit of comedy.

Alice: This might be related to "Lampshade Hanging", "This Is the Part Where...", "Conversational Troping", and any other trope with Fourth Wall in its name.

Bob: You mean like Fourth Wall Psych? What about Aside Glance? The inverse would be This Is Reality. A common subtrope is Who Would Want to Watch Us?... wait, why are we talking like this?"

[link to tvtropes.org]

"One character tells another; this is reality, this is not a movie, or any variation thereof, most often the stock phrase "This isn't a/an X, you know"; in order to get them to divorce themselves from an unrealistic notion — only, little do they know, their whole world indeed isn't reality!"

"Another possible twist is to have the characters object to an "unrealistic" idea that is in fact perfectly realistic and sensible within that fictional universe."
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The fourth wall is being broken

That is what is happening
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Breaking the Fourth Wall

"The fourth wall" is an expression stemming from the world of theater. In most modern theater design, a room will consist of three physical walls, as well as a an imaginary fourth that serves to separate the world of the characters from that of the audience.

In fiction, "breaking the fourth wall" often means having a character become aware of their fictional nature. This can range from your character advising you to "Press X" in a tutorial all the way to Psycho Mantis reading your memory card and mentioning the other games you've been playing. However, the most direct violation of the fourth wall would be a character openly acknowledging they are in a video game or even directly speaking to you, the player, instead of to your character.


Monk: This isn't a game!

-Jak and Daxter look toward the player with confused expressions-

-Man: Have you ever wondered why everything we do is controlled by-

Dog: Stop! Breaking the fourth wall is a bad idea!

Recently Mr. Fantastic has been breaking the 4th wall addressing readers and providing explanations for the collapse of the universe. Commonly appears on a black background which implies that ´he speaks to the audience in front, not back, not the sides but the fourth wall.

This happened in Avengers #1 [2012] from Marvel Comics


fan4
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the one breaking fiction, to construct another fiction.

you are just more fiction, attention whoring us all into your fiction.

A worm asking for food.

Like all of us, energy craving worms.

do you accept your nature of a energy eating worm, in your fancy thread?.
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^ My answer to your questions would be no
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i was asking the op guru
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I know
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don´t you crave for energy, like all the rest of beings in existance

love energy, happyness energy, whatever the fuck, energy

it´s all about the energy

we disguise our intent.

Thread: The game is all about the energy.
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Breaking the Fourth Wall

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the one breaking fiction, to construct another fiction.

you are just more fiction, attention whoring us all into your fiction.

A worm asking for food.

Like all of us, energy craving worms.

do you accept your nature of a energy eating worm, in your fancy thread?.
 Quoting: Senaden2


no
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I know
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don´t you crave for energy, like all the rest of beings in existance

love energy, happyness energy, whatever the fuck, energy

it´s all about the energy

we disguise our intent.

Thread: The game is all about the energy.
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I don't crave energy

Cravings often entice one to do things that aren't good for oneself

I disguise my intent from your example of "energy worms"
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I know
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don´t you crave for energy, like all the rest of beings in existance

love energy, happyness energy, whatever the fuck, energy

it´s all about the energy

we disguise our intent.

Thread: The game is all about the energy.
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I don't crave energy

Cravings often entice one to do things that aren't good for oneself

I disguise my intent from your example of "energy worms"
 Quoting: Tour Guide


you are no better than any worm, and no worm is better than all of you.

no matter your disguises
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don´t you crave for energy, like all the rest of beings in existance

love energy, happyness energy, whatever the fuck, energy

it´s all about the energy

we disguise our intent.

Thread: The game is all about the energy.
 Quoting: Senaden2


I don't crave energy

Cravings often entice one to do things that aren't good for oneself

I disguise my intent from your example of "energy worms"
 Quoting: Tour Guide


you are no better than any worm, and no worm is better than all of you.

no matter your disguises
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Thank goodness I'm not actually a worm, then
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Breaking the Fourth Wall


This happened in Avengers #1 [2012] from Marvel Comics


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marvel1

marvel2

marvel3

A choice

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Breaking the Fourth Wall

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the one breaking fiction, to construct another fiction.

you are just more fiction, attention whoring us all into your fiction.

A worm asking for food.

Like all of us, energy craving worms.

do you accept your nature of a energy eating worm, in your fancy thread?.
 Quoting: Senaden2


no
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denial, all egos need food to survive

and this thread is all ego , attention whoring

like my theads.

a plea to show "i do exist", "look how i know to be useful, instead of useless"

like everything and everyone in here..

this place is another garbage can in which entertain a dead ego trying to survive in a toxic environment doing toxic things

Thread: The game is all about the energy.


All mainstream comics are not more than tools of propaganda for the NWO, there is no synchronicities in them, but agenda, propaganda, and BALLSHIT, in them, tons at any time they can share them.

comics, movies, music, all OWN by THEM.

Propaganda machines, for modern times.

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"A" weaver...like the "gentry"...in Dr. Who the "Timelord"
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This Topic and thread is not allowed. If you research the web truth can be found...
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Breaking the Fourth Wall

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All mainstream comics are not more than tools of propaganda for the NWO, there is no synchronicities in them, but agenda, propaganda, and BALLSHIT, in them, tons at any time they can share them.

comics, movies, music, all OWN by THEM.

Propaganda machines, for modern times.
 Quoting: Senaden2


I dont know if all mainstream comics...but certainly there´s an agenda.
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Re: Adventures through the Multiverse..
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Have no fear, Spock is here!!! LLAP





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