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SCARY SHIT: Collapse of Russia will prove major test for US – Stratfor

 
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Its really okay, though, the USA did not survive its original form as a Federation, "The Articles of Confederation".. and the next form of federation ratified in 1789 also went to many different changes and forms to the present.

THE USA< does it even have a self-sustaining economy? I Laugh my ass off on that one. It most certainly does not.

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There is no such thing as a "self sustaining economy" when it comes to countries.
What a stupid comment. crazy

Russia doesn't have anything like that either....as evidenced by destruction of the Ruble value over the last few months.

Get real.


pipe
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


Not so stupid I thought I would argue that when the currency
was backed by gold as it is supposed to be it was self sustaining simply because everything was kept in check and balance by something real.


I do however agree that there is no self sustaining economy
currently in existence.

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Gold is irrelevant to an economy anywhere.
You are confusing monetary issues with pure economic cycle issues.
Currencies and economies do not have to be backed by gold if you were trying to create something self sustaining.
You could use anything that holds perceived value to that country or people.
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I mostly agree anything could be used to back a currency but
when nothing real backs the currency the economy cannot achieve any form of sustainability and like all modern economies must rely on growth which is ultimately doomed.
sheell be right mate
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Soooo. No one here feeling the carrisma sexy lure of Putin. Cause he is kinda hot. Don't ya know. Grrrrowl
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Stratfor is correct. The prime problem being that Russia's population is collapsing.

Shit living conditions, shit wages, shit infrastructure, so young couples don't want and cannot afford big families.

Dumb ass Putin is so busy trying to be "Mr Big man" internationally that he ignores the collapse going on around him.

Manufacturing someone said... what manufacturing? How many times has anyone ever walked into a store anywhere in the west and picked up anything that said "Made in the Russian Federation"?

Only thing they got are a lot of psychos in charge that piss every Ruble away on military bullshit, and lining their pockets, I know of one former defense minister who has a room in his country home (which is surrounded by lots of armed guards), anyway the room is about the size of a normal bedroom.. except this one is stacked 4-6 feet high in dollars and euros.
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Man I SWEAR you just described the United states.
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Russia is doing quite well despite americas attempts to "isolate" Russia. If theres a country that will implode through its own machinations its america coz its sheeple are thick as shit.

Russia has saved Europe twice over the last 150 yrs or so. Russia had saved europe from the French guy Napoleon and WW2 was already won in the year of 1941 at Stalingrad by the Russians. NOt bad for a country who didnt have the firepower to match germany.
So dont think Russia is going to fall anytime soon. As long as the peoples stomachs are full and they can heat their homes the Russians can ride America out but they will remember
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Russia saved Europe from Hitler and the nazis yes. Once that was dealt with they turned around and murdered and raped their way across Europe, trying to force communism and complete domination over them all. So in fact, they are no better than Hitler or the nazis themselves. Russia is not doing quite well, not quite well at all. They have almost zero European allies. Their economy is on a massive decline, their population is on a massive decline, large parts of the Russian Federation are living in poverty
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George Friedman? LOL Propaganda.
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[link to www.stratfor.com (secure)]

A failure to engage at this point would cause countries around Russia's periphery, from Estonia to Azerbaijan, to conclude that with the United States withdrawn and Europe fragmented, they must reach an accommodation with Russia. This will expand Russian power and open the door to Russian influence spreading on the European Peninsula itself. The United States has fought three wars (World War I, World War II and the Cold War) to prevent hegemonic domination of the region. Failure to engage would be a reversal of a century-old strategy.
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Uh, no, three wars to establish Nation of Israel is more correct.

Woodrow and Brandies and "Col." House were all traitors. The link between Zionism and the other societies like Jesuitsitsm and so forth, is simple to observe. The Jesuits run all wars of course.
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Has Statfor looked into JFK or Patton's deaths yet?

Who decided to hamstring Patton so that Germans would be dialecticted-in-half then some day reformed?

Patton could have easily taken Berlin.

How do they see that and other truths, playing out?
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How did Congress of USA pick Leslie Lynch King Junior, as their "man", one Haig approached them covertly?

Do Americans think they elect the Executive? Really?
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Talk about wishful thinking...Russian already endured its collapse and rebuilt itself from the ashes. Now its the US' turn to fall apart.
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I am not saying the US Constitution is not awesome, and far better than what Russians have gotten for their war debt.

We got rights for ours, they have no rights.

So, sure, FSB and Putin (mostly German) can drag their German hosts into a war again. Shall Pope sit this one out too?

Does Pope confess to a Jesuit as with Pius 12?
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Talk about wishful thinking...Russian already endured its collapse and rebuilt itself from the ashes. Now its the US' turn to fall apart.
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Well, they have not rebuilt their gangs in terms that matter to prevent those gangs from rebelling. It's held in similar ways to how Hitler held power, he was the buckle of a strap. Putin obviously is a buckle of a similar kind.

Both Stalin and Himmler were Jesuit-raised. Merkel is Hitler's daughter, that's plain to see. Shicklegruber was a marcher lord, again, obvious now.
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In true royal form, Shicklegruber's daughter is an even better statesman than her Dad. Heh.

But soooo many Schindlers and Business Machines made money off WW1 and WW2 that there's no court large enough to hold them. It's their world until the masses say otherwise.

Russians are tough, but can they win a Bill of Rights?
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Re: SCARY SHIT: Collapse of Russia will prove major test for US – Stratfor
See, Americans (naturalized or born, not refugees tho) HAVE RIGHTS as entrenched in The Bill (1st ten items delineated)

Such as

GUNS
SPEECH
PROTECTION FROM SEARCH

^^^ See these all put cops on their heels.

Russia, however, is Copland Prime. They police themselves as almost a national fetish.

So, they have no rights, won in war.

QUESTION: What King would Russians have to dethrone, to "win" say, the fourth amendment?
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Fail again.
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Executive's reaction to Fukishima (and his general ineptness) proves that [nation state removed] is holding the entire world, Europe and the US and the Med, HOSTAGE.

So, what King should be defeated today, to win wha rights?

What nations, have won rights entrenched in Bills presented to the Constitutors? ONE: AMERICA NORTH. That's iit so far.

We have presented a BILL. No one else has attached such a document to their war debt/dead.

1776 rings forever, because of the BILL.
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Usually it is the plebes, who get the bill.

But in terms of Constitutors (legally means: One who pays the debt of another) it is a rare thing to have them held by Bill of delineated Rights. I don't think that ever happened before.

Magna Carta was to replace a King (asshole) with a bunch of Barons and Peers (Parliament is born except for the Sandhedrin which is exactly the template) and is totally dissimilar from the COTUS and Bill of Rights.

Therefore wherefor Stratfor must include financial discussions in their stratagem. AHHH but none of these can discuss economic war, because in their circles, it is taboo. ;)
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I am not saying the US Constitution is not awesome, and far better than what Russians have gotten for their war debt.

We got rights for ours, they have no rights.

So, sure, FSB and Putin (mostly German) can drag their German hosts into a war again. Shall Pope sit this one out too?

Does Pope confess to a Jesuit as with Pius 12?
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Actually thats plain wrong...Russia is a signatory of the human rights body.
The rights and liberties of the citizens of the Russian Federation are granted by Chapter 2 of the Constitution adopted in 1993 However Putin is taking the slow road he feels that fast change is bad for social cohesion so he implementing small bits at a time. There is still a lot of things wrong in Russia but so has America but at least Russia is doing something about it as Russia wants to be seen as a fair lawful country. Now look at America can the same be said?
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Everyone knows Russians and Americans are both awesome, beautiful people.

But, also, their leaders have contempt for the masses.

So, this front of startegy, seems so shallow and childish, I think it's actually sad, when you think about it.

Some one decided that DU rounds and landmines and clusterbombs that look like soda-cans and such, were acceptable honorable munitions. And that someone, is a dickhead enemy of humanity.
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Executive's reaction to Fukishima (and his general ineptness) proves that [nation state removed] is holding the entire world, Europe and the US and the Med, HOSTAGE.

So, what King should be defeated today, to win wha rights?

What nations, have won rights entrenched in Bills presented to the Constitutors? ONE: AMERICA NORTH. That's iit so far.

We have presented a BILL. No one else has attached such a document to their war debt/dead.

1776 rings forever, because of the BILL.
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Our founders, in our founding document,
the Declaration of Independence,
acknowledge that our RIGHTS do NOT come from man,
but from GOD.

Governments merely secure those rights (or not).
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I am not saying the US Constitution is not awesome, and far better than what Russians have gotten for their war debt.

We got rights for ours, they have no rights.

So, sure, FSB and Putin (mostly German) can drag their German hosts into a war again. Shall Pope sit this one out too?

Does Pope confess to a Jesuit as with Pius 12?
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Actually thats plain wrong...Russia is a signatory of the human rights body.
The rights and liberties of the citizens of the Russian Federation are granted by Chapter 2 of the Constitution adopted in 1993 However Putin is taking the slow road he feels that fast change is bad for social cohesion so he implementing small bits at a time. There is still a lot of things wrong in Russia but so has America but at least Russia is doing something about it as Russia wants to be seen as a fair lawful country. Now look at America can the same be said?
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The Russian Constitution is a modern joke like so many of them.

It is a debt document, totally.

When did Russians incur the blood to form their Constitution? War debt is the only way for one to become the trustee of another. There is no other reason for Putin to have power, if he doesn't do everything for the people.

Of course, our leaders are not much better, but, in the end, all families are the same. This is a language war, Latin><Cyrillic and Americans are not all aware of that.

But let's talk about what this legal term means: Constitutor.

and court is designed to crush he average Russian or American.
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Re: SCARY SHIT: Collapse of Russia will prove major test for US – Stratfor
“It is unlikely that the Russian Federation will survive in its current form,” the forecast’s chapter dedicated to Russia begins. The research maintains that Moscow’s “failure to transform energy revenues into self-sustaining economy” will eventually lead to a “repeat of the Soviet Union's experience in the 1980s and Russia's in the 1990s,” with the process accompanied by a demographic decline that is set to “really hit” Russia.

However, the forecaster's founder and CEO, George Friedman, recently said that Russia has the ability to emerge from US-led sanctions and the recent drop in the ruble due to falling oil prices. "Russians' strength is that they can endure things that would break other nations," Friedman said, suggesting that the country "has military and political power that could begin to impinge on Europe."

[link to rt.com]
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good observation.
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Russia is doing quite well despite americas attempts to "isolate" Russia. If theres a country that will implode through its own machinations its america coz its sheeple are thick as shit.

Russia has saved Europe twice over the last 150 yrs or so. Russia had saved europe from the French guy Napoleon and WW2 was already won in the year of 1941 at Stalingrad by the Russians. NOt bad for a country who didnt have the firepower to match germany.
So dont think Russia is going to fall anytime soon. As long as the peoples stomachs are full and they can heat their homes the Russians can ride America out but they will remember
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Drive 15 minutes outside of Moskov or SP or few other main hubs....... come back here and tell us hows Russia doing.
You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. Sherman
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To comment on topic (OP's article which I kinda didn't do, quoting a different referenced article, sorry OP)

Stratfor says when Russia's belt buckle fails, then the nukes will go rogue.

So, to help Russians form a government with a true Constitution, a la 1776, dethroning a Kingly Power, would be the best way to keep Europe from being nuked.
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the China-Russia Double Helix

[link to vineyardsaker.blogspot.de]
The secret of politics? Make a good treaty with Russia. -Otto von Bismarck
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You all know the Vienna Congreff was done to keep royal houses in power.

You know none of that has changed.

So you have never had 1776.
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How did Congress of USA pick Leslie Lynch King Junior, as their "man", one Haig approached them covertly?

Do Americans think they elect the Executive? Really?
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hesright
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Is it understood that Rasputin and Robespierre were both Jesuit assets?

Did they help their nations? Did they prevent "King" type domination in those lands?

See, France will always bear the guilt of nuke-arming Israel. JFK tried to fight that, we all know that too.

I mean, it's one thing to be run by royals and bloodlines and gangs, but, to compare the US second amendment and Bill of Rights in general, to any of these modern sham-stitutions, is laughable.
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I am not saying the US Constitution is not awesome, and far better than what Russians have gotten for their war debt.

We got rights for ours, they have no rights.

So, sure, FSB and Putin (mostly German) can drag their German hosts into a war again. Shall Pope sit this one out too?

Does Pope confess to a Jesuit as with Pius 12?
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Actually thats plain wrong...Russia is a signatory of the human rights body.
The rights and liberties of the citizens of the Russian Federation are granted by Chapter 2 of the Constitution adopted in 1993 However Putin is taking the slow road he feels that fast change is bad for social cohesion so he implementing small bits at a time. There is still a lot of things wrong in Russia but so has America but at least Russia is doing something about it as Russia wants to be seen as a fair lawful country. Now look at America can the same be said?
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The Russian Constitution is a modern joke like so many of them.

It is a debt document, totally.

When did Russians incur the blood to form their Constitution? War debt is the only way for one to become the trustee of another. There is no other reason for Putin to have power, if he doesn't do everything for the people.

Of course, our leaders are not much better, but, in the end, all families are the same. This is a language war, Latin><Cyrillic and Americans are not all aware of that.

But let's talk about what this legal term means: Constitutor.

and court is designed to crush he average Russian or American.
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????? u dont need to draw blood to have a constitution....Also if was true which it is not..Russia has lost more men to war than most countries in WW2 alone 14 million service men were either dead or missing not to mention civilians...So they lost blood alright
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Re: SCARY SHIT: Collapse of Russia will prove major test for US – Stratfor
Pretty big talkers for somebody that has to pay russia for lifts into space and not too long ago got their asses kicked and their teeth knocked out trying to get georgia to take over south ossetia. lmao





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