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(OP) User ID: 44060428 Canada 02/26/2015 12:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter Hey, since this IS a conspiracy website, may I suggest that TPTB just dug a hole in the ground, and instantly got Toronto and the upcoming games world-wide free publicity? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42470820 The sketchy part is that the materials were stolen if it was truly TPTB they would have expensed it and had American crews in there with concrete walls. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68122040 Canada 02/26/2015 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter It's a tunnel, ya so where does it lead? Was it completed or only half finished? I think someone was looking for something buried there and may just have found it. That's why there was no activity for a month and they just piled up the dirt willy-nilly. They weren't planning on being there too long, just find the item and scram! I'd say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. |
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(OP) User ID: 44060428 Canada 02/26/2015 12:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter It's a tunnel, ya so where does it lead? Was it completed or only half finished? I think someone was looking for something buried there and may just have found it. That's why there was no activity for a month and they just piled up the dirt willy-nilly. They weren't planning on being there too long, just find the item and scram! I'd say MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68122040 No whoever created it saw the cops investigating it one day as the Toronto cops probably had a field day and sent multiple cruisers around the area or they would have set traps to know someone had visited the site and never returned. There is a huge townhouse complex that literally overlooks the tunnel site would be very easy to have surveillance from a distance 24/7. Last Edited by spencer on 02/26/2015 12:20 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63793021 United States 02/26/2015 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter The interesting thing is the cover up of all the bosom boom of anything to do with any procces of fuels & transportation.. They all get interesting spins. Some real stuff in news we should be watching does get reported, & then they stop. That is the news. :) |
TheGreatWhite
User ID: 60934990 Canada 02/26/2015 12:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter I don't know what to make of it. I just find it odd that nobody saw anything. Seriously? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59871557 I live in Toronto. My friends and I build a bunker in the forest of the Donalda golf course. We hung out in that bunker for over 6 years before ANYONE found it and another 4 before we finally just moved on from it. It is collapsed now but definitely still there. you cann do it without being seen its not that hard. Last Edited by RedEye' on 02/26/2015 12:31 AM Not One Step Backwards |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59871557 Canada 02/26/2015 12:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter I don't know what to make of it. I just find it odd that nobody saw anything. Seriously? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59871557 I live in Toronto. My friends and I build a bunker in the forest of the Donalda golf course. We hung out in that bunker for over 6 years before ANYONE found it and another 4 before we finally just moved on from it. It is collapsed now but definitely still there. you cann do it without being seen its not that hard. I guess you're right. I really don't have a clue who'd want to dig this tunnel. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7570920 Canada 02/26/2015 01:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter WW1 they would tunnel under and blow up the enemy. They did it alot Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62797999 That's why they found a poppy. The tunnel was found by a Toronto and Region Conservation Authority employee. After lifting a sheet of aluminum, the employee saw the entrance to a reinforced tunnel, which was about seven metres long and 2.5 metres beneath the ground. The tunnel has since been filled in, and poses no threat “at this point,” according to police. Over a month after discovering it, Toronto Police say they have no idea why someone built the underground tunnel or who dug it, and if they are not still looking for the culprits that is clearly not acceptable. Suffice it to say that anybody who is able to get away with building a sophisticated terror tunnel without exposure is sophisticated enough to get away with a terrorist attack. Everybody involved in the illegal construction of the discovered tunnel was potentially aiding and abetting an act of terrorism and as long as every detail of what appears to be a foiled terrorist plot is not exposed, Toronto is not safe. The typical use for an illegal tunnel—at least in North America—is to smuggle drugs or to get felons out of prison. Neither use appears to have been feasible with the Toronto tunnel. Consequently, in today's environment, one atypical use of such a clandestine tunnel is to pack it with enough explosives to simulate the impact of a nuclear, terorist attack, to remind an extremely gullible world that we must kill all the terrorists before they kill us. Boston had its "awakening", Paris was likewise attacked and even tiny Denmark was brought to its knees by events which have not been fully explained because they are shrouded in deception. If you do not understand all the unresolved questions about the Boston Marathon attack, Google the following "Terrorist Attacks: Unanswered questions" -and click on the link 'Terrorist Attacks: Unanswered questions.' (if you are a regular GLP'er, you get it !) To better understand the Paris attacks, Google the following "Truth is, Extremists are exclusively responsible for assassination of contr oversial Magazine editor." -and click on "Who killed Charlie?" (again, if you are a regular GLP'er, you get it !) The Denmark attack was literally copycat and it is consequently reasonable to assume that it will not be fully solved until all the mystery surrounding the Paris attacks is resolved. Best educated guess -The discovered tunnel in Toronto was funded by Saudi-style terrorists with links to western intelligence and the purpose of the foiled attack was to link the Paris, Boston and Denmark attacks to an ever escalating, world-wide terrorist threat and the culprits who plotted this attack have thus far evaded the authorities -they are ruthless murderers who routinely make corpses or total fools of all the "authorities" -remember the alleged suicide of the Paris police chief who was investigating the Charlie Hebdo massacre? Now, unlike the Toronto police, you know who to blame. |
The Starbuckian
User ID: 68393673 United States 02/26/2015 01:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter Length of tunnel, 33 feet 3 inches, or 33'3" Good construction, professionally done. “Queen Sarah, save us from the Black Dog King!” - from the play, Dissocia [link to tasaonline.org.au (secure)] "Never be anyone's French poodle." - Mr Hamilton |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 62939889 United States 02/26/2015 01:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter WW1 they would tunnel under and blow up the enemy. They did it alot Quoting: Anonymous Coward 62797999 That's why they found a poppy. The tunnel was found by a Toronto and Region Conservation Authority employee. After lifting a sheet of aluminum, the employee saw the entrance to a reinforced tunnel, which was about seven metres long and 2.5 metres beneath the ground. The tunnel has since been filled in, and poses no threat “at this point,” according to police. Over a month after discovering it, Toronto Police say they have no idea why someone built the underground tunnel or who dug it, and if they are not still looking for the culprits that is clearly not acceptable. Suffice it to say that anybody who is able to get away with building a sophisticated terror tunnel without exposure is sophisticated enough to get away with a terrorist attack. Everybody involved in the illegal construction of the discovered tunnel was potentially aiding and abetting an act of terrorism and as long as every detail of what appears to be a foiled terrorist plot is not exposed, Toronto is not safe. The typical use for an illegal tunnel—at least in North America—is to smuggle drugs or to get felons out of prison. Neither use appears to have been feasible with the Toronto tunnel. Consequently, in today's environment, one atypical use of such a clandestine tunnel is to pack it with enough explosives to simulate the impact of a nuclear, terorist attack, to remind an extremely gullible world that we must kill all the terrorists before they kill us. Boston had its "awakening", Paris was likewise attacked and even tiny Denmark was brought to its knees by events which have not been fully explained because they are shrouded in deception. If you do not understand all the unresolved questions about the Boston Marathon attack, Google the following "Terrorist Attacks: Unanswered questions" -and click on the link 'Terrorist Attacks: Unanswered questions.' (if you are a regular GLP'er, you get it !) To better understand the Paris attacks, Google the following "Truth is, Extremists are exclusively responsible for assassination of contr oversial Magazine editor." -and click on "Who killed Charlie?" (again, if you are a regular GLP'er, you get it !) The Denmark attack was literally copycat and it is consequently reasonable to assume that it will not be fully solved until all the mystery surrounding the Paris attacks is resolved. Best educated guess -The discovered tunnel in Toronto was funded by Saudi-style terrorists with links to western intelligence and the purpose of the foiled attack was to link the Paris, Boston and Denmark attacks to an ever escalating, world-wide terrorist threat and the culprits who plotted this attack have thus far evaded the authorities -they are ruthless murderers who routinely make corpses or total fools of all the "authorities" -remember the alleged suicide of the Paris police chief who was investigating the Charlie Hebdo massacre? Now, unlike the Toronto police, you know who to blame. The poppy is key. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7570920 Canada 02/26/2015 01:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter Length of tunnel, 33 feet 3 inches, or 33'3" Quoting: The Starbuckian Good construction, professionally done. clearly. they also had to move all that earth somewhere...no piles of it at the scene...just a hole covered by a piece of metal. Indeed they did. Lots of evidence to trace. |
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User ID: 37848574 United States 02/26/2015 01:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter I still haven't caught where the tunnel terminated. Tunnels have two ends, right? aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68277144 Canada 02/26/2015 06:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter However "if" it is more than that, like terrorism, or an attempt at a false flag, the poppy and rosary were left to misdirect. I'd also look at the height of the tunnel. It might give me some clue into how large such a person was. bootprints. how a person nails crap in, if a nail gun wasn't use, might leave a specific signature - some personalities toe nail differently in carpentry than others when putting in studs. look at the boards - are all the studs curved the same direction when framing? Are the boards reasonably level and plumb, as well as the excavated floor? The stamps on the wood - I'm sure that's been look at too.. Look at the couplings on the hoses for fingerprints... with any luck they didn't use wd40, gloves, or whatever else. Look at the nails, just below the heads for DNA. Bare hands might have been used - but its doubtful with the presence of an air compressor. Look at the gas can lid and dips stick for prints/dna. Does the wiring show a specific kind of habit in terms of making connections and with splicing? You can also look at the immediate radius for any former military vets. I'd also look for military vets that may or may not have lost a home - like in a fire or whatever else. Look for vets that have a history of being on the street or around street scenes. Its quite common - especially mental illness. But I'd be looking for someone who may at times be healthy enough to earn money - and that has some sort of trade ticket ongoing. The hole could also be a foxhole meant for observing some event, neighbour, or whatever else. It might have been part of an informal investigation, involving cameras, binoculars, infrared, and hopefully nothing more. I don't know if the terrain give any such views - but even as a "listening" observation post, that's sometimes more than enough info... Another question to ask - does the hole offer good trajectory for mortar rounds? The whole doesn't necessarily have to be about digging under a venue, but merely storing ammunition and/or providing some cover... Also, are there any banks nearby...? doesn't sound like it.. Are there any manholes - sewers - public works tunnels - or steamtunnels nearby that give access to huge parts of the city... Toronto is full of steam tunnels... Has anyone dug 5 feet or more below the tunnel to look for ammunitions? Are there signs of shoring below the floor of the tunnel... Has anyone looked for cache's nearby? It might contain ammunition, drugs, etc... Is there a line of sight from a great distance, somewhere that the entrance to the tunnel can be viewed from? If so, that's likely where the owner of the tunnel views the hole before considering if its safe to approach... |
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User ID: 46507677 United States 02/26/2015 06:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter They were idiots who should've kept their mouths shut when they found it and then nabbed whoever built it, for questioning :battleflag: “The key to immortality is first living a life worth remembering.” - Bruce Lee :Trumpbanner: |
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User ID: 65108784 Canada 02/26/2015 06:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter Well if it was an easy profiling case, I'd say the person who did it likely had both a military (engineer) background and a construction job at the nearby site - both for familiarity and the likelihood of easy access to the wood bleachers for some of the stolen materials. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68277144 However "if" it is more than that, like terrorism, or an attempt at a false flag, the poppy and rosary were left to misdirect. I'd also look at the height of the tunnel. It might give me some clue into how large such a person was. bootprints. how a person nails crap in, if a nail gun wasn't use, might leave a specific signature - some personalities toe nail differently in carpentry than others when putting in studs. look at the boards - are all the studs curved the same direction when framing? Are the boards reasonably level and plumb, as well as the excavated floor? The stamps on the wood - I'm sure that's been look at too.. Look at the couplings on the hoses for fingerprints... with any luck they didn't use wd40, gloves, or whatever else. Look at the nails, just below the heads for DNA. Bare hands might have been used - but its doubtful with the presence of an air compressor. Look at the gas can lid and dips stick for prints/dna. Does the wiring show a specific kind of habit in terms of making connections and with splicing? You can also look at the immediate radius for any former military vets. I'd also look for military vets that may or may not have lost a home - like in a fire or whatever else. Look for vets that have a history of being on the street or around street scenes. Its quite common - especially mental illness. But I'd be looking for someone who may at times be healthy enough to earn money - and that has some sort of trade ticket ongoing. The hole could also be a foxhole meant for observing some event, neighbour, or whatever else. It might have been part of an informal investigation, involving cameras, binoculars, infrared, and hopefully nothing more. I don't know if the terrain give any such views - but even as a "listening" observation post, that's sometimes more than enough info... Another question to ask - does the hole offer good trajectory for mortar rounds? The whole doesn't necessarily have to be about digging under a venue, but merely storing ammunition and/or providing some cover... Also, are there any banks nearby...? doesn't sound like it.. Are there any manholes - sewers - public works tunnels - or steamtunnels nearby that give access to huge parts of the city... Toronto is full of steam tunnels... Has anyone dug 5 feet or more below the tunnel to look for ammunitions? Are there signs of shoring below the floor of the tunnel... Has anyone looked for cache's nearby? It might contain ammunition, drugs, etc... Is there a line of sight from a great distance, somewhere that the entrance to the tunnel can be viewed from? If so, that's likely where the owner of the tunnel views the hole before considering if its safe to approach... Yeah a homeless ex military guy is what I was thinking as well. World War IV lasted five days. In the post-apocalyptic world of 2024, rover Vic (Don Johnson) hears a voice from his dog and communicates with him telepathically... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68277144 Canada 02/26/2015 06:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Toronto Tunnel Mystery - Former Assistant Director from CSIS Rules Out Drug Lab or Bug Out Shelter RED ALERT SCENARIO There is a very well used technology to "Torpedo" in 3/4 inch copper tubing into domestic homes, if not larger sizes for commerical and industrial use.. Guess what they use to get the pipe in and to animate the "torpedo?" An air compressor..... Technically i think it maybe possible for a smaller aircompressor - not the kind they typically use on wheels, to do the job - it would just take much-much longer. Essentially a torpedo is a pneumatic hammer which drives forward underground.. In this case we have very sandy soil, from what I saw in the video, so it is might be possible.... Having said that, I'm no explosive/demolition expert... But lets say a bunch of C4 or other explosive was put inside 3/4 inch copper tubing, pnuematically hammered under a terrorist target, by the use of a torpedo? Is it possible? Could such a contraption be rigged? It seems possible that with the right tunnel a network of 3/4 inch tubing may have been torpedoed under a target like the lines of an open hand-fan - but structurally aimed at specific supports (load points) of a building and/or near particular footings. Long story short, just because the tunnel looked short, doesn't mean crap! The tunnel only needs to be long enough to uncoil tubing and to support the air compressor, generator, sump pump, and ventilation, with adequate work-room. Technically it may also be possible to use much smaller sizes of copper tubing with a smaller air compressor - but also much harder perhaps to rig explosives inside. |