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I posted in this thread ... [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] and since it is pro-Net Neutrality, I thought it deserved its own post.
________________________________________

I became an ISP over 20 years ago.

I was a 'pioneer' in the industry.
During those days, the Telco thought that the Internet was a 'fad'...

This was BEFORE the 1996 Telecommunication Act, that Bill Clinton installed.

ISP's fell underneath - Information Service Providers.

INFORMATION SERVICE: ... “the offering of a capability for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, using or making available information via telecommunications, and includes electronic publishing, but does not include any use of any such capability for the management, control, or operation of a telecommunications system or the management of a telecommunications service."

[link to itlaw.wikia.com]

The FCC is lying to the 'general' public when they say this is about NET NEUTRALITY, it is NOT. It is about ISP's becoming TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS, which they are NOT!

This puts undue burden on the INDEPENDENT ISP and makes them subject to regulations and taxes of the big Telcos, like ATT and Verizon.

These ISPs used their OWN MONEY to build their networks, as they did NOT RECEIVE .gov monies to build their networks; as did the Telcos.

These ISPs, later in years, turned to Fixed Wireless for 'transport' of their networks and are called WISPs ... Wireless Internet Service Providers. WISPs are responsible for building networks where the Telco did not want to expand, mostly in RURAL areas.

The passing of this Bill, is not only UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as it has direct correlation to our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, as well as the fact that this will shut down many of the small, INDEPENDENT ISPs.

Here is a list of companies that potentially this Bill will kill: [link to wispa.org]

To amend the 1996 Telecommunication Act to include ISPs under Telecommunications will KILL the independent ISP.
This will result in the loss of THOUSANDS OF JOBS, as well as lost services for these RURAL areas.

This is NOT ABOUT CONTROLLING CONTENT ... initially.

This is about controlling ACCESS!

The WISP is building and 'controlling' the RURAL BACKBONE.

This is NOT ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY, as much as it is about .gov control of the INTERNET.
This is about TAXING AND REGULATING the small guy, that is not the .gov player, out of business!


Don't be fooled!


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Lies, all lies.

The Internet should be a Title II service.

If you see another issue, the idea that ISP's becoming telecommunication providers, you need to just accept this if it keeps the net neutral.

The net can not, and shall not be controlled. Our electricity and gas is not controlled. They can't charge me more to heat my hot tub, and less to turn on my lights. The net should be treated as a utility.
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Lies, all lies.

The Internet should be a Title II service.

If you see another issue, the idea that ISP's becoming telecommunication providers, you need to just accept this if it keeps the net neutral.

The net can not, and shall not be controlled. Our electricity and gas is not controlled. They can't charge me more to heat my hot tub, and less to turn on my lights. The net should be treated as a utility.
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LOL ... what turnip truck did you fall off?

By classifying 'information services' to 'telecommunications' you put independents under .gov regulation. It is these SAME INDEPENDENTS that gave you the FREE INTERNET, because INITIALLY THE TELCO WOULD NOT INVEST!

You are either a fool or shill ...

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I also might add that it is the INDEPENDENTS that are the ORIGINAL ... 'all you can stream' providers! They did not start METERED BANDWIDTH ... the TELCOS did!

In other words ... they DO NOT WANT TO THROTTLE TRAFFIC ... the .gov does!

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The Internet must remain neutral.

If you are against that, you are the fool.

Corporations are controlling the representatives in congress to make more money by throttling certain websites.

Fight all you want. The citizens want net neutrality.

I hope you lose.
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The Internet must remain neutral.

If you are against that, you are the fool.

Corporations are controlling the representatives in congress to make more money by throttling certain websites.

Fight all you want. The citizens want net neutrality.

I hope you lose.
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Do you understand that this Bill was named so that you would have that response ... PLEASE, WAKE THE F$%K UP!

In Missouri, last year they had a Bill to AMEND our state Constitution. The Bill was named ... RIGHT TO FARM ... Well I thought that odd, as my family has been farming there for close to two centuries ... Sure enough, I investigate it and what it really about was the CORPORATIONS RIGHT TO FARM! And you do understand that CORPORATIONS can be MULTINATIONAL!

Pay attention! hf

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And BTW ... that Bill passed because of LOW INFORMATION VOTERS!


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The name of a bill doesn't explain anything about the bill. If you thought Right To Farm was a good name and thus a good law, you aren't thinking critically at all.

I am thinking critically. Keep corporate money from making government decisions.

The citizens want net neutrality, the corporations don't.

End of story.
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Net neutrality is fine. It could be done in a one to 5 page law passed by congress and signed by the president, subject to review by the people so they can comment on it before it's passed through. Would go through pretty quickly too.

What we are getting is NOT net neutrality. It's an overhaul of the internet so that the government has more control over it. Tell me, what does the government currently have control over that works well for people? I can't think of any single thing...
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The name of a bill doesn't explain anything about the bill. If you thought Right To Farm was a good name and thus a good law, you aren't thinking critically at all.

I am thinking critically. Keep corporate money from making government decisions.

The citizens want net neutrality, the corporations don't.

End of story.
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FINE ... then ask yourself this:

WHY NOT JUST ADOPT RULES FOR NET NEUTRALITY, RATHER THEN AMENDING the 1996 Telecommunication Act to put INDEPENDENTS under Title II ...


MAKES NO SENSE!

Put on your THINKING CAP ... that is what GLP is KNOWN for, or you must be a SHILL ... as there are LOTS OF THEM TODAY!

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Net neutrality is fine. It could be done in a one to 5 page law passed by congress and signed by the president, subject to review by the people so they can comment on it before it's passed through. Would go through pretty quickly too.

What we are getting is NOT net neutrality. It's an overhaul of the internet so that the government has more control over it. Tell me, what does the government currently have control over that works well for people? I can't think of any single thing...
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THANK YOU!

A thinker! hf
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Barry needs mo money, mo money, mo money!!!

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Obama needs to censor the internet to protect us. You are racist if you complain about it.
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Barry needs mo money, mo money, mo money!!!

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It is more about CONTROL then MONEY ... initially.
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What do you expect from this lying deceitful bunch of Communist in the white house.

They have been doing this over and over again slowly chipping away at our constitutional rights and Sovereignty for years. Especially Obama has ramped up the agenda with his over the top aggressive stance and hatred for the Republic.
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The Internet must remain neutral.

If you are against that, you are the fool.

Corporations are controlling the representatives in congress to make more money by throttling certain websites.

Fight all you want. The citizens want net neutrality.

I hope you lose.
 Quoting: Obligatory Alias 48539876


Do you understand that this Bill was named so that you would have that response ... PLEASE, WAKE THE F$%K UP!

In Missouri, last year they had a Bill to AMEND our state Constitution. The Bill was named ... RIGHT TO FARM ... Well I thought that odd, as my family has been farming there for close to two centuries ... Sure enough, I investigate it and what it really about was the CORPORATIONS RIGHT TO FARM! And you do understand that CORPORATIONS can be MULTINATIONAL!

Pay attention! hf

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BINGO!!
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I posted in this thread ... [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] and sense it is pro-Net Neutrality, I thought it deserved its own post.
________________________________________

I became an ISP over 20 years ago.

I was a 'pioneer' in the industry.
During those days, the Telco thought that the Internet was a 'fad'...

This was BEFORE the 1996 Telecommunication Act, that Bill Clinton installed.

ISP's fell underneath - Information Service Providers.

INFORMATION SERVICE: ... “the offering of a capability for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, using or making available information via telecommunications, and includes electronic publishing, but does not include any use of any such capability for the management, control, or operation of a telecommunications system or the management of a telecommunications service."

[link to itlaw.wikia.com]

The FCC is lying to the 'general' public when they say this is about NET NEUTRALITY, it is NOT. It is about ISP's becoming TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS, which they are NOT!

This puts undue burden on the INDEPENDENT ISP and makes them subject to regulations and taxes of the big Telcos, like ATT and Verizon.

These ISPs used their OWN MONEY to build their networks, as they did NOT RECEIVE .gov monies to build their networks; as did the Telcos.

These ISPs, later in years, turned to Fixed Wireless for 'transport' of their networks and are called WISPs ... Wireless Internet Service Providers. WISPs are responsible for building networks where the Telco did not want to expand, mostly in RURAL areas.

The passing of this Bill, is not only UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as it has direct correlation to our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, as well as the fact that this will shut down many of the small, INDEPENDENT ISPs.

Here is a list of companies that potentially this Bill will kill: [link to wispa.org]

To amend the 1996 Telecommunication Act to include ISPs under Telecommunications will KILL the independent ISP.
This will result in the loss of THOUSANDS OF JOBS, as well as lost services for these RURAL areas.

This is NOT ABOUT CONTROLLING CONTENT ... initially.

This is about controlling ACCESS!

The WISP is building and 'controlling' the RURAL BACKBONE.

This is NOT ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY, as much as it is about .gov control of the INTERNET.
This is about TAXING AND REGULATING the small guy, that is not the .gov player, out of business!


Don't be fooled!


:granny7:
 Quoting: Ozark Granny


Yep. We get the same shitty false choices: Be screwed by the private sector or be screwed by the government.

My prediction is that the INTERNET - just like every awesome invention that has simply and utterly delighted humanity, Men - for the LUST of MONEY, POWER, CONTROL, and GREED are going to destroy it and it will just become another tax and regulatory tool. We'll be the old-timers talking to our grand children and telling them stories of when the Internet was FREE and FUN!
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You are right Granny. This new FCC/Obama takeover is not about "net neutrality" it is about control pure and simple. Right now they don't have it and it burns them up that when one of their criminal actions hits the net it bypasses the controlled propaganda media completely and explodes into public discourse.

What they are doing has absolutely nothing to do with how fast your internet connection is or will be. It is all about forcing every ISP and individual website to be funneled through an executive branch controlled federal bureaucracy that can deny license to some and make exceptions for others. Think IRS scandal not just for ISPs but for individual privately owned websites. Think Obamacare exemptions for favored businesses. That is what this is about.

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It is not JUST ABOUT THE INTERNET ... it is now in every faucet of our .gov.

0bamacare allows for Sharia Law ... I did not believe that, until it was actually pointed out to me.

They are at war with the American people, but the people are not even aware.

I also served in the Marine Corps and am a Vietnam era Veteran.

These issues rock me to the core ...

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Thread: They have taken over our Constitution via UCC and here is how they did it!

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It is not JUST ABOUT THE INTERNET ... it is now in every faucet of our .gov.

0bamacare allows for Sharia Law ... I did not believe that, until it was actually pointed out to me.

They are at war with the American people, but the people are not even aware.

I also served in the Marine Corps and am a Vietnam era Veteran.

These issues rock me to the core ...

:granny8:
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The people running the USA govt are straight up communist that want total control over all business and the entire population.

It slowly started way back in the 50s but a key turning point was the JFK assassination. He was the last true patriot that was also a president that would not bend to the behind the scenes power.
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You are right Granny. This new FCC/Obama takeover is not about "net neutrality" it is about control pure and simple. Right now they don't have it and it burns them up that when one of their criminal actions hits the net it bypasses the controlled propaganda media completely and explodes into public discourse.

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Absolutely, young man! hf

Let me tell you what happened ... as, unfortunately I played a role in it.

Let me do it in parts ... as it scans over the last two decades.

THE INTERNET - AS I RECALL IT.

PART I

First off, the Telcos has NO INTEREST, WHAT-SO-EVER in the Internet; in the early days. When I got involved was in 1993. (BTW -- because of this, I have been called the FIRST WOMAN ISP.) Just so you know that I am talking from experience.

Dial-up to them was a 'cash cow' because we ate up all their PRI's and ISDN. They had no clue, BUT it was not the Internet of today, in those days. It was mostly bulletin boards and 'non-data' restrictive bits.

It was DSL that got the 'net going, yet destroyed it for a bit too ...
With the 'invention' of the DSL technology, Wall Street went NUTS! They were 'investing' in EVERY start up that could be found. Of course, this cause a bubble, because of BAD INVESTMENT. So ... we had the BOMB ... The dot com BOMB!
It took so many, my network included.

I did not own the lines in those days, the TELCO did. So there were these 'shell' companies that were created to take over networks of BANKRUPT companies.
I had close to 5k clients on my network, which I lost OVER NIGHT ... because we did not own the TRANSPORT.
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This is NOT ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY, as much as it is about .gov control of the INTERNET.
This is about TAXING AND REGULATING the small guy, that is not the .gov player, out of business!


Don't be fooled!



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son of a biatch i cannot believe it someone figured out that the gay guys who brought the new IRS money grab obamacare scheme tax figured out that the internet regulations is really just another irs money grab!
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I posted in this thread ... [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] and sense it is pro-Net Neutrality, I thought it deserved its own post.
________________________________________

I became an ISP over 20 years ago.

I was a 'pioneer' in the industry.
During those days, the Telco thought that the Internet was a 'fad'...

This was BEFORE the 1996 Telecommunication Act, that Bill Clinton installed.

ISP's fell underneath - Information Service Providers.

INFORMATION SERVICE: ... “the offering of a capability for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, using or making available information via telecommunications, and includes electronic publishing, but does not include any use of any such capability for the management, control, or operation of a telecommunications system or the management of a telecommunications service."

[link to itlaw.wikia.com]

The FCC is lying to the 'general' public when they say this is about NET NEUTRALITY, it is NOT. It is about ISP's becoming TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS, which they are NOT!

This puts undue burden on the INDEPENDENT ISP and makes them subject to regulations and taxes of the big Telcos, like ATT and Verizon.

These ISPs used their OWN MONEY to build their networks, as they did NOT RECEIVE .gov monies to build their networks; as did the Telcos.

These ISPs, later in years, turned to Fixed Wireless for 'transport' of their networks and are called WISPs ... Wireless Internet Service Providers. WISPs are responsible for building networks where the Telco did not want to expand, mostly in RURAL areas.

The passing of this Bill, is not only UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as it has direct correlation to our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, as well as the fact that this will shut down many of the small, INDEPENDENT ISPs.

Here is a list of companies that potentially this Bill will kill: [link to wispa.org]

To amend the 1996 Telecommunication Act to include ISPs under Telecommunications will KILL the independent ISP.
This will result in the loss of THOUSANDS OF JOBS, as well as lost services for these RURAL areas.

This is NOT ABOUT CONTROLLING CONTENT ... initially.

This is about controlling ACCESS!

The WISP is building and 'controlling' the RURAL BACKBONE.

This is NOT ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY, as much as it is about .gov control of the INTERNET.
This is about TAXING AND REGULATING the small guy, that is not the .gov player, out of business!


Don't be fooled!


:granny7:
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Republican President of the United States will reverse

the Obama / George Soros attack on the internet.

Less than 2 years to go ...
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You guys are funny with your names. Trying to weed out and monitor the hillbillies are you? Mountain Granny, Mountain Woman, Mountain Man. Fuckin' hilarious
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I posted in this thread ... [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] and sense it is pro-Net Neutrality, I thought it deserved its own post.
________________________________________

I became an ISP over 20 years ago.

I was a 'pioneer' in the industry.
During those days, the Telco thought that the Internet was a 'fad'...

This was BEFORE the 1996 Telecommunication Act, that Bill Clinton installed.

ISP's fell underneath - Information Service Providers.

INFORMATION SERVICE: ... “the offering of a capability for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, using or making available information via telecommunications, and includes electronic publishing, but does not include any use of any such capability for the management, control, or operation of a telecommunications system or the management of a telecommunications service."

[link to itlaw.wikia.com]

The FCC is lying to the 'general' public when they say this is about NET NEUTRALITY, it is NOT. It is about ISP's becoming TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS, which they are NOT!

This puts undue burden on the INDEPENDENT ISP and makes them subject to regulations and taxes of the big Telcos, like ATT and Verizon.

These ISPs used their OWN MONEY to build their networks, as they did NOT RECEIVE .gov monies to build their networks; as did the Telcos.

These ISPs, later in years, turned to Fixed Wireless for 'transport' of their networks and are called WISPs ... Wireless Internet Service Providers. WISPs are responsible for building networks where the Telco did not want to expand, mostly in RURAL areas.

The passing of this Bill, is not only UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as it has direct correlation to our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, as well as the fact that this will shut down many of the small, INDEPENDENT ISPs.

Here is a list of companies that potentially this Bill will kill: [link to wispa.org]

To amend the 1996 Telecommunication Act to include ISPs under Telecommunications will KILL the independent ISP.
This will result in the loss of THOUSANDS OF JOBS, as well as lost services for these RURAL areas.

This is NOT ABOUT CONTROLLING CONTENT ... initially.

This is about controlling ACCESS!

The WISP is building and 'controlling' the RURAL BACKBONE.

This is NOT ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY, as much as it is about .gov control of the INTERNET.
This is about TAXING AND REGULATING the small guy, that is not the .gov player, out of business!


Don't be fooled!


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Thanks, Granny...one smart Granny! Five stars!
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You are right Granny. This new FCC/Obama takeover is not about "net neutrality" it is about control pure and simple. Right now they don't have it and it burns them up that when one of their criminal actions hits the net it bypasses the controlled propaganda media completely and explodes into public discourse.

What they are doing has absolutely nothing to do with how fast your internet connection is or will be. It is all about forcing every ISP and individual website to be funneled through an executive branch controlled federal bureaucracy that can deny license to some and make exceptions for others. Think IRS scandal not just for ISPs but for individual privately owned websites. Think Obamacare exemptions for favored businesses. That is what this is about.
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Yep. They have done it with our own personal health and now they are doing it with our personal communications...nothing is sacred when the FED controls every facet of a human life. Twenty years ago, the idea that the IRS would be taxing us and snooping into our health care lives would have been ludicrous.
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THE INTERNET - AS I RECALL IT.

PART I

First off, the Telcos has NO INTEREST, WHAT-SO-EVER in the Internet; in the early days. When I got involved was in 1993. (BTW -- because of this, I have been called the FIRST WOMAN ISP.) Just so you know that I am talking from experience.

Dial-up to them was a 'cash cow' because we ate up all their PRI's and ISDN. They had no clue, BUT it was not the Internet of today, in those days. It was mostly bulletin boards and 'non-data' restrictive bits.

It was DSL that got the 'net going, yet destroyed it for a bit too ...
With the 'invention' of the DSL technology, Wall Street went NUTS! They were 'investing' in EVERY start up that could be found. Of course, this cause a bubble, because of BAD INVESTMENT. So ... we had the BOMB ... The dot com BOMB!
It took so many, my network included.

I did not own the lines in those days, the TELCO did. So there were these 'shell' companies that were created to take over networks of BANKRUPT companies.
I had close to 5k clients on my network, which I lost OVER NIGHT ... because we did not own the TRANSPORT.
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"The dot-com bubble (also referred to as the dot-com boom, the Internet bubble and the information technology bubble)[1] was a historic speculative bubble covering roughly 1997–2000 (with a climax on March 10, 2000, with the NASDAQ peaking at 5,132.52[2] in intraday trading before closing at 5,048.62) during which stock markets in industrialized nations saw their equity value rise rapidly from growth in the Internet sector and related fields. While the latter part was a boom and bust cycle, the Internet boom is sometimes meant to refer to the steady commercial growth of the Internet with the advent of the World Wide Web, as exemplified by the first release of the Mosaic web browser in 1993, and continuing through the 1990s.

The period was marked by the founding (and, in many cases, spectacular failure) of several new Internet-based companies commonly referred to as dot-coms. Companies could cause their stock prices to increase by simply adding an "e-" prefix to their name or a ".com" to the end, which one author called "prefix investing."[3]"

"The collapse of the bubble took place during 1999–2001. Some companies, such as pets.com, failed completely. Others lost a large portion of their market capitalization but remained stable and profitable, e.g., Cisco, whose stock declined by 86%. Some later recovered and surpassed their dot-com-bubble peaks, e.g., Amazon.com, eBay.com, whose stock went from 107 to 7 dollars per share, but a decade later exceeded 400.[4]"


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Why is anyone who disagrees with you a shill?
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I posted in this thread ... [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] and sense it is pro-Net Neutrality, I thought it deserved its own post.
________________________________________

I became an ISP over 20 years ago.

I was a 'pioneer' in the industry.
During those days, the Telco thought that the Internet was a 'fad'...

This was BEFORE the 1996 Telecommunication Act, that Bill Clinton installed.

ISP's fell underneath - Information Service Providers.

INFORMATION SERVICE: ... “the offering of a capability for generating, acquiring, storing, transforming, processing, retrieving, using or making available information via telecommunications, and includes electronic publishing, but does not include any use of any such capability for the management, control, or operation of a telecommunications system or the management of a telecommunications service."

[link to itlaw.wikia.com]

The FCC is lying to the 'general' public when they say this is about NET NEUTRALITY, it is NOT. It is about ISP's becoming TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS, which they are NOT!

This puts undue burden on the INDEPENDENT ISP and makes them subject to regulations and taxes of the big Telcos, like ATT and Verizon.

These ISPs used their OWN MONEY to build their networks, as they did NOT RECEIVE .gov monies to build their networks; as did the Telcos.

These ISPs, later in years, turned to Fixed Wireless for 'transport' of their networks and are called WISPs ... Wireless Internet Service Providers. WISPs are responsible for building networks where the Telco did not want to expand, mostly in RURAL areas.

The passing of this Bill, is not only UNCONSTITUTIONAL, as it has direct correlation to our FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS, as well as the fact that this will shut down many of the small, INDEPENDENT ISPs.

Here is a list of companies that potentially this Bill will kill: [link to wispa.org]

To amend the 1996 Telecommunication Act to include ISPs under Telecommunications will KILL the independent ISP.
This will result in the loss of THOUSANDS OF JOBS, as well as lost services for these RURAL areas.

This is NOT ABOUT CONTROLLING CONTENT ... initially.

This is about controlling ACCESS!

The WISP is building and 'controlling' the RURAL BACKBONE.

This is NOT ABOUT NET NEUTRALITY, as much as it is about .gov control of the INTERNET.
This is about TAXING AND REGULATING the small guy, that is not the .gov player, out of business!


Don't be fooled!


:granny7:
 Quoting: Ozark Granny


Republican President of the United States will reverse

the Obama / George Soros attack on the internet.

Less than 2 years to go ...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25956544


Are you kidding? The republicans run Congress now and this is being done with nary a word. The more control the FED/TPTB has, the better. THIS IS ABOUT POWER AND CONROL!!
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THE INTERNET - AS I RECALL IT.

PART I

First off, the Telcos has NO INTEREST, WHAT-SO-EVER in the Internet; in the early days. When I got involved was in 1993. (BTW -- because of this, I have been called the FIRST WOMAN ISP.) Just so you know that I am talking from experience.

Dial-up to them was a 'cash cow' because we ate up all their PRI's and ISDN. They had no clue, BUT it was not the Internet of today, in those days. It was mostly bulletin boards and 'non-data' restrictive bits.

It was DSL that got the 'net going, yet destroyed it for a bit too ...
With the 'invention' of the DSL technology, Wall Street went NUTS! They were 'investing' in EVERY start up that could be found. Of course, this cause a bubble, because of BAD INVESTMENT. So ... we had the BOMB ... The dot com BOMB!
It took so many, my network included.

I did not own the lines in those days, the TELCO did. So there were these 'shell' companies that were created to take over networks of BANKRUPT companies.
I had close to 5k clients on my network, which I lost OVER NIGHT ... because we did not own the TRANSPORT.
 Quoting: Ozark Granny


"The dot-com bubble (also referred to as the dot-com boom, the Internet bubble and the information technology bubble)[1] was a historic speculative bubble covering roughly 1997–2000 (with a climax on March 10, 2000, with the NASDAQ peaking at 5,132.52[2] in intraday trading before closing at 5,048.62) during which stock markets in industrialized nations saw their equity value rise rapidly from growth in the Internet sector and related fields. While the latter part was a boom and bust cycle, the Internet boom is sometimes meant to refer to the steady commercial growth of the Internet with the advent of the World Wide Web, as exemplified by the first release of the Mosaic web browser in 1993, and continuing through the 1990s.

The period was marked by the founding (and, in many cases, spectacular failure) of several new Internet-based companies commonly referred to as dot-coms. Companies could cause their stock prices to increase by simply adding an "e-" prefix to their name or a ".com" to the end, which one author called "prefix investing."[3]"

"The collapse of the bubble took place during 1999–2001. Some companies, such as pets.com, failed completely. Others lost a large portion of their market capitalization but remained stable and profitable, e.g., Cisco, whose stock declined by 86%. Some later recovered and surpassed their dot-com-bubble peaks, e.g., Amazon.com, eBay.com, whose stock went from 107 to 7 dollars per share, but a decade later exceeded 400.[4]"


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 Quoting: Ozark Granny


So when the 'bankruptcies' came, these 'shell companies' took over the DSL lines that were being TRANSPORTED over the BIG TELCO'S networks!

This is how the BIG GUYS ... like ATT, Verizion, Sprint got involved in the Internet! It was NOT BY their innovation, it was by STEALING NETWORKS of the Independent Provider!

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