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Obama Immigration Fix: 4M Illegals Who Never Paid U.S. Tax, Get 3 Years Of Tax Refunds

 
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Could be up to 140,000,000,000$. It would have been cheaper to send all back home.

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You have to admit it sounds crazy. The normal rule is that the IRS can audit for three years, so you can usually go back three years to amend your return or claim a credit you forgot. What if you never had any income or never filed a return? Just wait. Since an illegal immigrant under President Obama’s executive action can now get a Social Security number, the immigrant road map is clear.

First, get the Social, then claim the Earned Income Tax Credit for the three open tax years, and Voila! IRS sends you three years of tax refunds. Welcome to America! No matter that you never paid taxes, never filed a return, worked off the books, etc. All sins forgiven. And the IRS says this is the way the Earned Income Tax Credit works. Recall that the Earned Income Tax Credit—EITC to those in the tax biz—is the one that is responsible for billions in fraudulent refunds.

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Does not pay to be a us citizen any more.
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Change in the pockets is all we will have left once he gets done.
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So can I come across the boarder undocumented like and get 35K$ for nothing?
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Change it back
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Wait so i can claim i worked off the books and claim that hey i just didnt file because it was under the table and get returns?
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No, see what really happens is, illegals use a fake SS# so when they don't file & they dont get a return or the "Earned Income Tax Credit—EITC" (Reagan's program btw & the single largest act of wealth redistribution ever) the Gov get's to keep the money that's why they don't want this to happen they spent the money & want to continue spending the money
"At that time, Congress required that a valid Social Security number be filed for those claiming the EITC, and that requirement saved an estimated $300 million a year. But Congress did not enact a similar requirement when it created the child tax credit, which went into effect in tax year 1998 at $400 per child, and was increased to $500 the following year."
Initially the credit wasn’t refundable in most cases (only for families who had three or more children and who also met certain income tests). So the issue of illegal workers claiming credits did not arise at first. But the 2001 Bush tax cuts made more parents eligible for refundable credits, and increased the amount in steps to $1,000 per child.
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It's called "vote buying" isn't it?
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No, see what really happens is, illegals use a fake SS# so when they don't file & they dont get a return or the "Earned Income Tax Credit—EITC" (Reagan's program btw & the single largest act of wealth redistribution ever) the Gov get's to keep the money that's why they don't want this to happen they spent the money & want to continue spending the money
"At that time, Congress required that a valid Social Security number be filed for those claiming the EITC, and that requirement saved an estimated $300 million a year. But Congress did not enact a similar requirement when it created the child tax credit, which went into effect in tax year 1998 at $400 per child, and was increased to $500 the following year."
Initially the credit wasn’t refundable in most cases (only for families who had three or more children and who also met certain income tests). So the issue of illegal workers claiming credits did not arise at first. But the 2001 Bush tax cuts made more parents eligible for refundable credits, and increased the amount in steps to $1,000 per child.
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They are fucking ILLEGAL!! I don't care if they did work and pay in. The illegals should no way in hell be entitled to earned income credits or child tax credits in past years.
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He got's da credit card again....
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Just another part of the plan to Transform America.
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anyone who voted for obama should be banned from ever voting again
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He said there will be wealth redistribution. I as many of you thought it would involve Americans that would benefit, nope it involves illegals.

Talk about buying fricking votes.
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What is that Japanese curse "May you live in changing times"
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What is that Japanese curse "May you live in changing times"
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Actually it is interesting times not changing, and supposedly a Chinese curse. Anyway these are interesting times to say the least.
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Does not pay to be a us citizen any more.
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Exactly. Once I considered going to Mexico to get a phoney Juanita name, hopping back and actually finding employment under the new leaf. Just a fantasy.

The immigration fix, the qualification denied on those loopholes. That's robbery, to get retro patriotism.

Fuck you IRS for doing that, traitors.
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The Earned Income Tax Credit targets low- and moderate-income families, especially those with children. The maximum credit for 2015 is $6,242 for a couple with three kids earning no more than $53,267.

Undocumented workers who filed taxes previously WITH an ID number could amend those returns once they have received their Social Security number, Koskinen said.

THOSE WHO NEVER FILED TAXES WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR RETROACTIVE BENEFITS

What is so confusing about that?

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Could be up to 140,000,000,000$. It would have been cheaper to send all back home.

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You have to admit it sounds crazy. The normal rule is that the IRS can audit for three years, so you can usually go back three years to amend your return or claim a credit you forgot. What if you never had any income or never filed a return? Just wait. Since an illegal immigrant under President Obama’s executive action can now get a Social Security number, the immigrant road map is clear.

First, get the Social, then claim the Earned Income Tax Credit for the three open tax years, and Voila! IRS sends you three years of tax refunds. Welcome to America! No matter that you never paid taxes, never filed a return, worked off the books, etc. All sins forgiven. And the IRS says this is the way the Earned Income Tax Credit works. Recall that the Earned Income Tax Credit—EITC to those in the tax biz—is the one that is responsible for billions in fraudulent refunds.

[link to www.forbes.com]
 Quoting: Upheval

It is nothing more than a way for Corporations to get very cheap labor while forcing taxpayers to pay them the benefits the corporations should be paying. Outright theft.

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Could be up to 140,000,000,000$. It would have been cheaper to send all back home.

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You have to admit it sounds crazy. The normal rule is that the IRS can audit for three years, so you can usually go back three years to amend your return or claim a credit you forgot. What if you never had any income or never filed a return? Just wait. Since an illegal immigrant under President Obama’s executive action can now get a Social Security number, the immigrant road map is clear.

First, get the Social, then claim the Earned Income Tax Credit for the three open tax years, and Voila! IRS sends you three years of tax refunds. Welcome to America! No matter that you never paid taxes, never filed a return, worked off the books, etc. All sins forgiven. And the IRS says this is the way the Earned Income Tax Credit works. Recall that the Earned Income Tax Credit—EITC to those in the tax biz—is the one that is responsible for billions in fraudulent refunds.

[link to www.forbes.com]
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It's time for US to stop paying. 1 week and we could shut it down.
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The Earned Income Tax Credit targets low- and moderate-income families, especially those with children. The maximum credit for 2015 is $6,242 for a couple with three kids earning no more than $53,267.

Undocumented workers who filed taxes previously WITH an ID number could amend those returns once they have received their Social Security number, Koskinen said.

THOSE WHO NEVER FILED TAXES WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR RETROACTIVE BENEFITS

What is so confusing about that?

[link to nypost.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46295428


Nothing. I don't care if you previously filed taxes. If you were undocumented and illegally in the U.S. then you should not be entitled to the credits.

If a drug dealer was arrested do you think the Feds would let him keep the money he made off of ILLEGALLY selling drugs?

Bottom line they broke the law therefore they should forfeit whatever money they had coming to them during the time periods they were illegally here.

What is so confusing about that?
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Do Americans know that they don't actually need to pay taxes? It's just the mafia known as the IRS enforces that you pay them protection money.
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The Earned Income Tax Credit targets low- and moderate-income families, especially those with children. The maximum credit for 2015 is $6,242 for a couple with three kids earning no more than $53,267.

Undocumented workers who filed taxes previously WITH an ID number could amend those returns once they have received their Social Security number, Koskinen said.

THOSE WHO NEVER FILED TAXES WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR RETROACTIVE BENEFITS

What is so confusing about that?

[link to nypost.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 46295428


Nothing. I don't care if you previously filed taxes. If you were undocumented and illegally in the U.S. then you should not be entitled to the credits.

If a drug dealer was arrested do you think the Feds would let him keep the money he made off of ILLEGALLY selling drugs?

Bottom line they broke the law therefore they should forfeit whatever money they had coming to them during the time periods they were illegally here.

What is so confusing about that?
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clappa
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I've been waiting for someone to explain how illegal aliens that can not legally pay taxes, can get a refund. If they were paying taxes, they should be in prison for identity theft. They could not have a SSN so they can't pay taxes. If they didn't pay, they don't get a refund. Refund, by definition, is the return of money you paid. NO PAY, NO REFUND!
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Change in the pockets is all we will have left once he gets done.
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You plan on having change left in your pockets? Don't let Emperorr Barry know or it will be gone.
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mass arrest time of all DC and state politicians
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I've been waiting for someone to explain how illegal aliens that can not legally pay taxes, can get a refund. If they were paying taxes, they should be in prison for identity theft. They could not have a SSN so they can't pay taxes. If they didn't pay, they don't get a refund. Refund, by definition, is the return of money you paid. NO PAY, NO REFUND!
 Quoting: Epic Beard Guy


The IRS does have a very legal process for someone without a social security number to obtain an Individual Taxpayer Identification Number which would allow them to file their taxes and at the same time would allow the IRS to keep track of them.

[link to www.irs.gov]

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