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Good read:

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Newsweek magazine, on December 27, 1982, in an article entitled, How the Bible Made America, made this revealing
statement, ďhistorians are discovering that the Bible, perhaps even more than the Constitution, is our Founding
document.Ē

To understand the core values of a nation, one must simply look to the beliefs set forth during its conception, and, in the
case of America, during the transitional years of the American Revolution. Judge for yourself how far we have drifted from
the original intent of early Americans. Consider the following:

Then: If a proposed article for the Constitution was not supported by, or rooted in the Bible, it was not considered. In their
early writings, many of the Founding Fathers quoted or referenced the Bible nearly four times more than any other source.


Now: The Bible is mocked, ridiculed, and discarded.

Then: First introduced in 1766, William Blackstoneís Commentaries on the Laws, served as the legal reference for the
Founders, as well as for many early American lawyers. Blackstoneís commentaries were deeply rooted in biblical principles.
Itís been said that Blackstone was the first to use the phrase, ďthe laws of nature and of natureís God.Ē

Now: ďIt is unconstitutional for students to see the Ten Commandments since they might read, meditate upon, respect, or
obey them.Ē Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980).

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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7
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More relevant info:

Our Founding Documents

Findings of the Courts
A ten year investigation of over 500 founding documents was conducted by the United States Supreme Court and concluded in
a famous ruling in Holy Trinity Church v. United States, dated February 29,1892. In preparing its opinion, the court
found it necessary to survey key historical documents back to the time of Christopher Columbus to get a sense of the
Worldview which guided the formation of the American colonies. After a lengthy description of the many documents,
the court summed up their findings regarding Americaís religious and political foundation in the following quote
from two consecutive paragraphs near the end of the verdict:

Find out here:
[link to lennysax.startlogic.com]
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7
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Thanks for the pin.

Another little snip:

The verdict mentioned the then forty-four state constitutions that referenced the Christian Worldview and mirrored
conclusions reached previously by the Maryland Supreme Court in 1799 and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in 1824:
"By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of
Christians are placed upon equal footing, and they are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.Ē

ďNo free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of thecountry.Ē

[link to lennysax.startlogic.com]
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
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kitty It sure ain't the America that I grew up in. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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The Founders drew on the Bible and believed that Christianity was necessary for civil morality in a republican system.

It doesn't follow, however, that they believed Christianity should be imposed through law. The First Amendment is very clear - indeed, is even clearer in its first draft. Government shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion.

Yes, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No one is arguing that it means that. But it does mean that government will not impose religion through law, including through laws governing public school.

Why is this important? For one reason, a reason that all Christians can accept, it prevents one sect of Christianity from gaining dominance over any others. It's easy for Christians to say that America should make laws based on the Bible against atheists or Muslims. But let's say we do: which Christianity do we use? Baptist? Unitarian? Catholic? "Nondenominational"? Calvinist? Lutheran? Should schools teach that Christ was a human, a god, or both man and God? Should schools teach pre-trib or post-trib? Etc.

Now part of the confusion here arises from the fact that the Bible used to be taught in schools. But the schools in which it was taught were state-run schools. States weren't originally bound to the Constitution, and so if their state constitution permitting teaching the Bible, they could do so. But with the steady imposition of the federal constitution on the states, the first amendment has come to apply within the states. Furthermore, the federalization of schools and required the imposition of the first amendment on state schools. So while state schools could teach the bible previously, they find it increasingly hard to do so now.

The answer is obvious: free up the education system, and then the freedom of atheists like myself is respected (my children won't be forced to learned Christianity at the point of government's gun), and Christians will be free to teach their children whatever brand of Christianity they prefer.
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


You ARE the prime example as to why God says do not cast your pearls (of wisdom) before swine because they will trample them under their feet.
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If the bible is proof that god and jesus exists than a marvel comic book is proof than spiderman exists

stupid religitards
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AN ADDRESS DELIVERED AT THE ANNUAL MEETING OF THE MASSACHUSETTS BIBLE SOCIETY IN BOSTON, MAY 28, 1849.

Editorís Introduction

President Andrew Jackson said on June 8, 1845, that ďthe Bible is the rock on which our Republic rests.Ē Early
Americans would almost universally agree that the religious, social, educational, and political life of
America was primarily shaped by the Bible.

Our states were colonized by people who desired to freely worship the God of the Bible; our schools were begun so
that everyone would be able to read and understand the Bible for themselves; our universities were founded to
train ministers who were knowledgeable of the Scriptures; our laws and constitutions were written based on Biblical
ideas; and our founding fathers overwhelmingly had a Biblical worldview.

Most Americans today have not been taught this important truth, even though many still recognize it.

It used to be common knowledge that Americaís Biblical foundation produced Americaís freedom, justice, and prosperity.
In recent generations America has been shifting from a Biblical foundation to a humanistic foundation, where the
God of the Bible is being replaced by man as god. The result has been the decay of society and loss of liberty.
Noah Webster wrote:


The moral principles and precepts contained in the Scriptures ought to form the basis of all our civil
constitutions and laws. All the miseries and evils which men suffer from vice, crime, ambition, injustice,
oppression, slavery, and war, proceed from their despising or neglecting the precepts contained in the Bible.

Read more:
[link to providencefoundation.com]
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7
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darkness only comes when the Light removed

The Light can shine

darkness can not overcome the light

That Light will shine for all to see

in That day- and yes it is hard to watch as I see

this land falling in the dark ways of sin

what is wrong is called right

what is right is called wrong - sad
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Thanks for the pin.

Another little snip:

The verdict mentioned the then forty-four state constitutions that referenced the Christian Worldview and mirrored
conclusions reached previously by the Maryland Supreme Court in 1799 and the Pennsylvania Supreme Court in 1824:
"By our form of government the Christian religion is the established religion; and all sects and denominations of
Christians are placed upon equal footing, and they are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty.Ē

ďNo free government now exists in the world, unless where Christianity is acknowledged, and is the religion of thecountry.Ē

[link to lennysax.startlogic.com]
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Great article KoFFee, I took a few legal courses years ago in College, and there were definitely correlations and references shown in comparison between the laws contained in the bible and the laws of this land.
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The founders never told anyone that the bible was not the basis for the founding documents. They mentioned God often in all their writings. They worked hard to assure the religious freedom for all American. The freedom of religion they wanted was to keep the government out of religion, not to keep religion out of government. They knew that a government without religion would be corrupt. Amazing how they could see the future.
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"America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe
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More relevant info:

Our Founding Documents

Findings of the Courts
A ten year investigation of over 500 founding documents was conducted by the United States Supreme Court and concluded in
a famous ruling in Holy Trinity Church v. United States, dated February 29,1892. In preparing its opinion, the court
found it necessary to survey key historical documents back to the time of Christopher Columbus to get a sense of the
Worldview which guided the formation of the American colonies. After a lengthy description of the many documents,
the court summed up their findings regarding Americaís religious and political foundation in the following quote
from two consecutive paragraphs near the end of the verdict:

Find out here:
[link to lennysax.startlogic.com]
 Quoting: KoFFee_


AND HERE ARE THE TWO CONSECUTIVE PARAGRAPHS:



ď... the case assumes that we are a Christian people, and the morality of the country is deeply ingrafted upon Christianity .... Ďit is also said, and truly, that the Christian religion is a part of the common law of Pennsylvania.í"

ďIf pass beyond these matters to a view of American life, as expressed by its laws, its business, its customs, and its society, we find everywhere a clear recognition of the same truth. Among other matters note the following: The form of oath universally prevailing, concluding with an appeal to the Almighty; the custom of opening sessions of all deliberative bodies and most conventions with prayer; the prefatory words of all wills, "In the name of God, amen;" the laws respecting the observance of the Sabbath, with the general cessation of all secular business, and the closing of courts, legislatures, and other similar public assemblies on that day; the churches and church organizations which abound in every city, town, and hamlet; the multitude of charitable organizations existing everywhere under Christian auspices; the gigantic missionary associations, with general support, and aiming to establish Christian missions in every quarter of the globe. These and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation. ...Ē2 (emphasis added)

And then, another good read: "The Protocols"

And then, another good read: "The Ten Planks of the Communist Party"

And then, a look at how popular opinion is molded by the media corporations, who are all headed by Atheist Satanist
Psychopaths - the A.S.P.

P.S. I have never met a Jew who really believed in God. They believe in themselves. They have no other 'religion'. And I grew up in Bevery Hills, where Jews are 99% of the population. I beg to differ with "evangelical Christians" who have been brainwashed into believing hogwash about a nation which is not God's nation at all, let alone the 'apple of His eye'. The absolute immorality, on every level, that goes on in that country - if you research the facts on the ground - will truly make you want to throw up.
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Great Post!hf Thank-you!

Another article posted there is also worth the time:

Fathers - Families Would Rather ďSeeĒ A Sermon

[link to www.oneplace.com]
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We need a "Liberalism is a mental disorder" gif. My fingers are getting authritus writing it.
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Lots of things happened

just a few, lower population back then mainly white most Christians

now more population, + the Internet lots of new revelations and religions being exposed
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


Yours are the words of incomplete thinking. Weak minds are self debilitating. Casting of the human controlled religious paradigm is one thing, but throwing of the spirituality of GOD is quite another.
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Americaís Accelerating Decay

The Decline of the Family:

The Decline of Education:

The End of Male and Female:

The End of Right and Wrong:

The End of Religion:

The End of Beauty:


Read what is said about each one here:
[link to www.nationalreview.com]
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given meóthe task of testifying to the good news of Godís grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


You ARE the prime example as to why God says do not cast your pearls (of wisdom) before swine because they will trample them under their feet.
 Quoting: Just Trina


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ďTo compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.Ē; Thomas Jefferson
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We need a "Liberalism is a mental disorder" gif. My fingers are getting authritus writing it.
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ďTo compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.Ē; Thomas Jefferson
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darkness only comes when the Light removed

The Light can shine

darkness can not overcome the light

That Light will shine for all to see

in That day- and yes it is hard to watch as I see

this land falling in the dark ways of sin

what is wrong is called right

what is right is called wrong - sad

 Quoting: Ice


Sad but true and all fits prophecy. This is the plan, it is unavoidable, mankind must sink to unspeakable horrors before the Creation is taken to perfection by removing the dross.

When the shit hits the fan, be ready to assist your brother, for if you ignore him, He will ignore you. What you do for these the least of my brethren, you do unto Me. JC
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


Right mate that's why things are so good now.
Thank god you atheist tards have won..
Enjoy what you sowed.
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


What you see today is your idea of a more evolved and more intelligent mankind?
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GLP: re-writing history. LOL. The Constitution is a secular document. And, if you read Jefferson and Madison (which none of you obviously have); you would know that the primary authors of the Bill of Rights were secular.
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notice it's the same people bumping this thread, besides Christians still have it good there are churches in every street corner and if you are losing members maybe you guys should look within first
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


What you see today is your idea of a more evolved and more intelligent mankind?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68860786


Yes. I do. (At least in regards to religion). Are the American people the dumbest on earth? Yes. Easily groomed, conditioned and brainwashed to accept the next foreign engagement/incursion.
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


"of" vs "from"

there is repeated reference and reverence for the Basis of our freedoms which are God given.

don't betray what is in your own self interest.

think about what your "secular" attitude serves ....
it is not individual Sovereignty.





GLP