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America -Then vs Now. Itís Almost Unbelievable

 
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Good read:

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Newsweek magazine, on December 27, 1982, in an article entitled, How the Bible Made America, made this revealing
statement, ďhistorians are discovering that the Bible, perhaps even more than the Constitution, is our Founding
document.Ē

To understand the core values of a nation, one must simply look to the beliefs set forth during its conception, and, in the
case of America, during the transitional years of the American Revolution. Judge for yourself how far we have drifted from
the original intent of early Americans. Consider the following:

Then: If a proposed article for the Constitution was not supported by, or rooted in the Bible, it was not considered. In their
early writings, many of the Founding Fathers quoted or referenced the Bible nearly four times more than any other source.


Now: The Bible is mocked, ridiculed, and discarded.

Then: First introduced in 1766, William Blackstoneís Commentaries on the Laws, served as the legal reference for the
Founders, as well as for many early American lawyers. Blackstoneís commentaries were deeply rooted in biblical principles.
Itís been said that Blackstone was the first to use the phrase, ďthe laws of nature and of natureís God.Ē

Now: ďIt is unconstitutional for students to see the Ten Commandments since they might read, meditate upon, respect, or
obey them.Ē Stone v. Graham, 449 U.S. 39 (1980).

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Unfortunately those who read this who already appose any type of biblical teachings, will just be more motivated to destroy our god given constitution...gasp
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What is even more humorous is those who bitch about multiculturalism/pluralism/secularism and the loss of culture; while adhering to the idea that the jews are the "chosen" people. HA !
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What is even more humorous is those who bitch about multiculturalism/pluralism/secularism and the loss of culture; while adhering to the idea that the jews are the "chosen" people. HA !
 Quoting: harry 42263367


God's chosen people that somehow are missing from ancient history by majority of scholars and historians

heck not even Jewish archaeologists can find one good proof of David's temple

man this place has sure gone to the wayside
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kitty It sure ain't the America that I grew up in. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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I am so happy that good cultural marxists like Georg Lukacs, Wilhelm Reich, Erich Fromm, Herbert Marcuse, Theodor Adorno, Saul David Alinsky, destroyed all of that wickedness displayed in your clip.
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The founding fathers might have used Christian morality as the basis for their system of government, but they also did their best to make sure that said morality couldn't be imposed from above. Thus while they desired a government based on Christian principles, they also wanted one free from religious entanglements. Clearly, they understood the concept of "grey area" in human affairs. Something neither the religious or the non-religious seem to see anymore.

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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


What you see today is your idea of a more evolved and more intelligent mankind?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68860786


Yes. I do. (At least in regards to religion). Are the American people the dumbest on earth? Yes. Easily groomed, conditioned and brainwashed to accept the next foreign engagement/incursion.
 Quoting: harry 42263367


I've been around a long time, and dumb Americans are a recent development. Trust me when I tell you that the dumbing-down of America was not an agenda initiated by Christians.
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


did it bother you to leave your bubble long enough to post?

the liberal atheism we are so good bubble.

like all bubbles, it breaks!
we only have each other. And that makes us rich.. . .

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You can say bible bible till you turn blure in the face but ultimately it's going to be interpreted by mortal man. And then corruption, war and crime will set in. Oh that's right ....it has. See what I mean? Even the bible is not perfect and fool proof. Only time and learning the hard way will make human beings better.
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I'm an atheist so I have no agenda to promote or protect any "holy book" whatsoever. To me it is all bullshit. Literally. But that's another topic of discussion.

Let me say this though -- America was founded on Christian principals. There is no denying that those very principals made America the greatest country to ever exist and as America slowly loses her Christian principals, we can see the result -- this is a sinking ship, fast.

Those who forget where they came from soon find out how fast their end comes.

I'm not promoting atheism as that is a personal choice and I believe humans have not evolved far enough to accept the truth that there is no god, which is why we must maintain our Christian heritage.
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I'm an atheist so I have no agenda to promote or protect any "holy book" whatsoever. To me it is all bullshit. Literally. But that's another topic of discussion.

Let me say this though -- America was founded on Christian principals. There is no denying that those very principals made America the greatest country to ever exist and as America slowly loses her Christian principals, we can see the result -- this is a sinking ship, fast.

Those who forget where they came from soon find out how fast their end comes.

I'm not promoting atheism as that is a personal choice and I believe humans have not evolved far enough to accept the truth that there is no god, which is why we must maintain our Christian heritage.
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Wait ...that's a very arrogant statement. How do you know America was the best civilization to ever exist ? Did you live through all the other ones in human history ? Have you lived in any other country on Earth during these times ?
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You can say bible bible till you turn blure in the face but ultimately it's going to be interpreted by mortal man. And then corruption, war and crime will set in. Oh that's right ....it has. See what I mean? Even the bible is not perfect and fool proof. Only time and learning the hard way will make human beings better.
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Truth.
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


did it bother you to leave your bubble long enough to post?

the liberal atheism we are so good bubble.

like all bubbles, it breaks!
 Quoting: beeches


Including yours...
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


MAN has become so damned (literally) "smart" that he has given up the "chains of religion" for the MUCH HEAVIER and destructive chains of his own failed intellect, or the trickery of the Devil.

You'll see.

I am right.
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I'm an atheist so I have no agenda to promote or protect any "holy book" whatsoever. To me it is all bullshit. Literally. But that's another topic of discussion.

Let me say this though -- America was founded on Christian principals. There is no denying that those very principals made America the greatest country to ever exist and as America slowly loses her Christian principals, we can see the result -- this is a sinking ship, fast.

Those who forget where they came from soon find out how fast their end comes.

I'm not promoting atheism as that is a personal choice and I believe humans have not evolved far enough to accept the truth that there is no god, which is why we must maintain our Christian heritage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68862147


Interesting. Never heard of an atheist smart enough to at least realize the essential nature of moral religion for the sustenance of a Constitutional Republic!

Why not just take that final step and come all the way over to the full truth that Jesus Christ was exactly who He said He was?? What's holding you back?
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I'm an atheist so I have no agenda to promote or protect any "holy book" whatsoever. To me it is all bullshit. Literally. But that's another topic of discussion.

Let me say this though -- America was founded on Christian principals. There is no denying that those very principals made America the greatest country to ever exist and as America slowly loses her Christian principals, we can see the result -- this is a sinking ship, fast.

Those who forget where they came from soon find out how fast their end comes.

I'm not promoting atheism as that is a personal choice and I believe humans have not evolved far enough to accept the truth that there is no god, which is why we must maintain our Christian heritage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68862147


Wait ...that's a very arrogant statement. How do you know America was the best civilization to ever exist ? Did you live through all the other ones in human history ? Have you lived in any other country on Earth during these times ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68570882


That's what history books and traveling are for. I've done a lot of traveling, have a love of history, and at the age I am now, I sort of am history. LOL

I'll tell you this right now. America truly used to be #1, but it's not #1 any longer. It has slid horribly downhill and is unrecognizable from what it used to be. Maybe you're too young to have ever known any better.
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I'm an atheist so I have no agenda to promote or protect any "holy book" whatsoever. To me it is all bullshit. Literally. But that's another topic of discussion.

Let me say this though -- America was founded on Christian principals. There is no denying that those very principals made America the greatest country to ever exist and as America slowly loses her Christian principals, we can see the result -- this is a sinking ship, fast.

Those who forget where they came from soon find out how fast their end comes.

I'm not promoting atheism as that is a personal choice and I believe humans have not evolved far enough to accept the truth that there is no god, which is why we must maintain our Christian heritage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68862147


Wait ...that's a very arrogant statement. How do you know America was the best civilization to ever exist ? Did you live through all the other ones in human history ? Have you lived in any other country on Earth during these times ?
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putin

America was founded 240 years ago. Enough said.
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


MAN has become so damned (literally) "smart" that he has given up the "chains of religion" for the MUCH HEAVIER and destructive chains of his own failed intellect, or the trickery of the Devil.

You'll see.

I am right.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68583665


Man was never really God fearing. At some point in any time people would appease their inner beast whether it be with violence or sex or both.
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Great post, OP. America would still be a colony of England had it not been for God-- and the Godly principles of individual liberty under God-- which inspired our forefathers.
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The Founders drew on the Bible and believed that Christianity was necessary for civil morality in a republican system.

It doesn't follow, however, that they believed Christianity should be imposed through law. The First Amendment is very clear - indeed, is even clearer in its first draft. Government shall make no laws respecting the establishment of religion.

Yes, freedom of religion doesn't mean freedom from religion. No one is arguing that it means that. But it does mean that government will not impose religion through law, including through laws governing public school.

Why is this important? For one reason, a reason that all Christians can accept, it prevents one sect of Christianity from gaining dominance over any others. It's easy for Christians to say that America should make laws based on the Bible against atheists or Muslims. But let's say we do: which Christianity do we use? Baptist? Unitarian? Catholic? "Nondenominational"? Calvinist? Lutheran? Should schools teach that Christ was a human, a god, or both man and God? Should schools teach pre-trib or post-trib? Etc.

Now part of the confusion here arises from the fact that the Bible used to be taught in schools. But the schools in which it was taught were state-run schools. States weren't originally bound to the Constitution, and so if their state constitution permitting teaching the Bible, they could do so. But with the steady imposition of the federal constitution on the states, the first amendment has come to apply within the states. Furthermore, the federalization of schools and required the imposition of the first amendment on state schools. So while state schools could teach the bible previously, they find it increasingly hard to do so now.

The answer is obvious: free up the education system, and then the freedom of atheists like myself is respected (my children won't be forced to learned Christianity at the point of government's gun), and Christians will be free to teach their children whatever brand of Christianity they prefer.
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Schools dont teach your kids Christianity, you damn liar.
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I'm an atheist so I have no agenda to promote or protect any "holy book" whatsoever. To me it is all bullshit. Literally. But that's another topic of discussion.

Let me say this though -- America was founded on Christian principals. There is no denying that those very principals made America the greatest country to ever exist and as America slowly loses her Christian principals, we can see the result -- this is a sinking ship, fast.

Those who forget where they came from soon find out how fast their end comes.

I'm not promoting atheism as that is a personal choice and I believe humans have not evolved far enough to accept the truth that there is no god, which is why we must maintain our Christian heritage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68862147


Wait ...that's a very arrogant statement. How do you know America was the best civilization to ever exist ? Did you live through all the other ones in human history ? Have you lived in any other country on Earth during these times ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68570882


putin

America was founded 240 years ago. Enough said.
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There were civilizations that were and are thousands of years old. And what do you mean "enough said"? What do you mean by that?
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It's too bad the natives of North America didn't benefit from all that Christian goodness.
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The founders never told anyone that the bible was not the basis for the founding documents. They mentioned God often in all their writings. They worked hard to assure the religious freedom for all American. The freedom of religion they wanted was to keep the government out of religion, not to keep religion out of government. They knew that a government without religion would be corrupt. Amazing how they could see the future.
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Smart statement!
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Thank "god" man has evolved and became more intelligent. Intelligent enough to cast off the chains of religion. Our Constitution is secular and the product of the Enlightenment; not holy script (which retards and debilitates the mind).
 Quoting: harry 17531086


......and people wonder why America is turning into one huge toilet.
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It's too bad the natives of North America didn't benefit from all that Christian goodness.
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At least the Comanches aren't roasting people alive and cutting their faces off anymore.
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It's all Obamas fault. huffy
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What is even more humorous is those who bitch about multiculturalism/pluralism/secularism and the loss of culture; while adhering to the idea that the jews are the "chosen" people. HA !
 Quoting: harry 42263367


You are not an American.

You are a one-world-government douche preaching the marxist doctrine.

Not to mention a jew hater and a God hater.

When the sleeping giant finally awakes, and it will, your kind will be the ones it comes for with a vengeance.
"Tolerance is the lube that helps slip the dildo of dysfunction into the ass of a civilized society." Plato
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The thing that makes me LOL about all this religious crap on this thread is they IGNORE the very fact that brought the founding fathers to this land, it was 'religious' rule they were fleeing. Freedom FROM religion was as important to them as their Christianity.
The other hysterical thing here is that the very posters on this thread will turn and vote for republicans at every election, barr none! As though the very fact they are republican makes them 'righteous' in their mind. Actually if they look around these are the anti-Christians.
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The piece that many people miss, most purposefully, if that the Judeo-Christian moral framework was just that: a moral framework. Small minded people contend that one must either accept every word of the bible literally or discard it completely. Wiser men see it for what it is...the wisdom of the ages told in parable; mixed with legend, propaganda, and allegory from various times in our history, that provides a path for men to live side by side in relative peace.

The Bible is probably the most important document in the Western world, and is in fact the underpinnings of our society whether one is able to accept that or not.

Personally I don't believe in "God", but I do believe in the value of the 10 commandments and the basis of Judeo-Christian values and ethics.
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It's all Obamas fault. huffy
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No.

Obama is the product of multiculturalism, secularism and political correctness .

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