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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68975822 United States 04/21/2015 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. I am going to call your bluff on this one with 2 questions. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 and once and for all confirm my theory that he indeed acted alone, or at least he was the bombmaker and emplacer. 1. Tell me about Mcveigh immediately prior. 2 how many lbs of anfo does it take to obliterate a car with a standoff of 5 feet? if you can answer these two questions, satisfactorily without canned google answers I will revisit the case. If you can't then stfu because you have no knowledge of how explosvies actusally work and have no access to the real on the ground story. which was not released to the public. convince me with 2 simple answers. Mr Computer Know-It-All Alert for a fucking Douche Bag.. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 60160628 United States 04/21/2015 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. It is not unusual to see rental vehicles on bases. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 however this picture certainly is weird. Specifically the white covers around the tents. question for you OP. If Mcveigh was a patsy, why didn't he say so? How do you know McVeigh died? Quick execution like that, you know only because they told you so... This ^^^ |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17497967 United States 04/21/2015 09:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. McVey is alive and well in the witness protection system. A reporter who was at the execution saw his chest continue to rise and fall, ever so slightly, while sitting eye level to his body when the "doctor" pronounced him dead. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68992584 Lots of people who worked there asked about the barrels that were sitting next to load bearing beams. One employee saw people on the roof with blueprints just a week before the explosion. BIG TIME government false flag |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 59723676 United States 04/21/2015 09:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. Oklahoma City Bombing: All Evidence Point To The U.S. Federal Government [link to themillenniumreport.com] "An obvious inside job because it had to be to produce so much destruction." |
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User ID: 35634840 United States 04/21/2015 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. Scratchpad 3 My, but these photos have a rich backstory. When you find out what the OK National Guard confirmed about it though, more interesting questions come up. Here is the closest I could find to the actual Washington Post article. -------- posted on November 22, 2002 at 12:08:07 PST by honway 06/14/1997 Washington Post Staff Writer, Richard Leiby Page A8 "Other Web sites carry photos of a Ryder truck parked at a military installation in Oklahoma, where conspiracy-minded investigators contend the fertilizer bomb was assembled. The Oklahoma National Guard confirmed Friday that the aerial photos were indeed taken above Camp Gruber in the fall of 1994 and said the classified project involved weapons sensors and was overseen by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. The National Guard's statement said the truck 'had no association whatsoever with the tragedy at the Alfred P. Murrah Building." posted on November 22, 2002 at 12:10:46 PST by honway [ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies] To: All The Oklahoma National Guard confirmed Friday that the aerial photos were indeed taken above Camp Gruber in the fall of 1994 and said the classified project involved weapons sensors and was overseen by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. (view of area on Central Europe Road discussed in Washington Post article) ----------------- [link to www.freerepublic.com] ----------------- Then this happened to the pilot who took the pictures. ----------------- NTSB Identification: FTW95LA201 On May 15, 1995, at 1230 central daylight time, a Harding 1500-R-Mini-Max, N366RH, was destroyed following a loss of control during takeoff near Braggs, Oklahoma. The private pilot sustained fatal injuries. The local personal flight was being operated under Title 14 CFR Part 91. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed and a flight plan was not filed. Witnesses (statements enclosed) reported that at about 1130, the airplane landed on a grass area normally used as a helipad at Camp Gruber (Oklahoma National Guard Training Site). The pilot was a member of the Oklahoma National Guard. Several military personnel talked with the pilot and looked at the airplane. The pilot started the engine, initiated an uphill takeoff roll to the north, and then aborted the takeoff. Several witnesses reported that the airplane didn't have enough speed to takeoff. Subsequently, the pilot reversed the direction of the takeoff and initiated a takeoff to the south in a downhill direction. Witnesses reported that the pilot "forced" the airplane into the air and maneuvered to clear buildings as the airplane climbed "slowly" to 60 to 75 feet. One witness stated that "the aircraft appeared to be lacking power." Witnesses observed the airplane flying over the barracks and then up and down prior to entering a left descending turn. The wing hit a powerline wire about 20 feet above the ground as the airplane descended uncontrolled, impacted the terrain and separated into numerous pieces. Witnesses further reported that it didn't "appear" that he was having any control problems. Temperature was 83 degrees Fahrenheit with a calculated density altitude of 2,200 feet. The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) inspector reported that the winds were from the south at 3 to 5 knots with a terrain downslope of approximately 10 degrees. Flight control continuity was confirmed, the propeller blades were shattered and the FAA inspector stated that the "aircraft appeared to be producing power on impact." The right wing exhibited physical evidence of a wire strike and one end of the highline cable was pulled loose approximately 20 feet above the ground. ... Autopsy and toxicology were not performed. The airplane was released by the FAA to the personnel at Camp Gruber, Oklahoma. ----------------- [link to www.ntsb.gov] ----------------- aHEMagain "And once again, Probability proves itself willing to sneak into a back alley and service Drama as would a copper piece harlot." -- Vaarsuvius, The Order of the Stick [link to tvtropes.org] "History doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme" -- Mark Twain "It is wrong always, everywhere, and for anyone, to believe anything upon insufficient evidence.-- William Clifford [link to myweb.lmu.edu] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 56537535 Canada 04/21/2015 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. It is not unusual to see rental vehicles on bases. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 however this picture certainly is weird. Specifically the white covers around the tents. question for you OP. If Mcveigh was a patsy, why didn't he say so? The rumors floating around the net back in the 90s was that Mcveigh was an ATF officer. That the whole thing was staged. The rumor also was that the whole "execution" of Mcviegh was fake and that it was all a show so that they could demonize the militias and brand them as terrorists. So Mcveigh is probably still alive somewhere enjoying his millions in pay-off money to be a part of a public spectacle. |
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User ID: 36263824 United States 04/21/2015 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. It is not unusual to see rental vehicles on bases. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 however this picture certainly is weird. Specifically the white covers around the tents. question for you OP. If Mcveigh was a patsy, why didn't he say so? Yes, this picture is certainly weird. That is one thing you can say about it. I realize others have seen this before, but this is new to me. Nausea inducing, hope inducing, vindicating are also things I could say about this photo. Does anyone know the provenance of this photo? Is the date verified? As to your question to OP, I sense a setup. OP never mentioned Mcveigh, he simply posted pictures from a military base taken days before the bombing. A picture that shows a compound walled off from view, inside of which sit, among other things, a Ryder truck matching the description of the alleged source of the explosion. That certainly seems worthy of investigation to me. Why would you expect OP to be able to speak as to Mcveigh's motives? Call what bluff? They're pictures. and once and for all confirm my theory that he indeed acted alone, or at least he was the bombmaker and emplacer. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 Good for you! Confirm that theory based on an AC's lack of response to your questions. Way to logic! 1. Tell me about Mcveigh immediately prior. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 2 how many lbs of anfo does it take to obliterate a car with a standoff of 5 feet? Well, I can't answer for OP, mainly because I have no clue to the answers. Nor do I understand how knowing those answers would allow OP to confirm or disprove your Single Bomber theory. Perhaps you will explain how they relate later. if you can answer these two questions, satisfactorily without canned google answers I will revisit the case. If you can't then stfu because you have Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 Or perhaps you will reveal yourself to be an uncouth lout. no knowledge of how explosvies actusally work and have no access to the real on the ground story. which was not released to the public. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 Oh, here we go. Secret knowledge. Yet you're asking OP to disprove your theory. Something you "know" they can't do, because they don't know the "real on the ground" story. Convince you of what? Weren't you alluding to the fact that you know the "real on the ground story"? Because you're not a member of "the public"? Well make up your mind, are a Single Bomber theorist, or not? While we're on the subject though, exactly what was the motive of that motivated vet? Wait...what!? Why would we crap our pants? You just got done telling us this was just a motivated vet and a few flunkies. Beyond the horror of the event itself, what more could be crap-worthy and still be what you're claiming. Well, let's see. Uses ultimatums and straw-man arguments, is rude, illogical, claims insider knowledge, and contradicts themselves about the nature of the event. Walks, quacks, and smells pretty ducky to me. yup Im a shill, undercover in Canada, on a long forgotten case on a conspiracy board at 2 am on a tues because it so matters. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 It seems to matter a lot to YOU. You are probably one of those everything is a fals flag tards too right? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 if you are such a truther answer my 2 questions. Clearly you're not a truther, you've dropped several unconscious clues that you see yourself as superior, and privileged to be in on "the secret", while demonstrating no intention of sharing your "specialized knowledge". While should anyone give you another second of their time? aHEMagain ps: why weren't congressional hearings held about these photos asking for an explanation from the military, and perhaps even INVESTIGATING? Well done aHEMagain! I think the silence says it all! No paycheck for that scumbag ha! Side note: Anyone have any good sites for some info on this? I remember being in daycare when it happened and the daycare lady yelling at us to, and I quote, 'SHUTUP! ALL OF YOU!' we all sat down and watch the television after lol |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67906898 United States 04/21/2015 09:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. ok guys, listen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67906898 the photo is not what it claims to be. it's either faked or from somewhere else. this is a fact. why ? because the Ryder truck used in the bombing was captured on surveillance camera, and in the actual truck, the Ryder logo is slanted in the opposite direction. Here is the real truck. [link to law2.umkc.edu] If you compare to the purported photo, the rear of the truck in the "base" photo is plainly to the left, and tightly encased in the white barrier.That truck cannot be the same as captured in the surveillance camera which McVeigh drove. [link to www.apfn.net] Here is some of the lore behind the fake photos, purportedly captured by a member of the Montana Militia. [link to web.archive.org] yes. the photos are completely debunked. good job. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45929936 United States 04/21/2015 10:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. like I thought, weak case for OKC being anything beyond what it was. One motivated vet and a few flunkys along for the ride. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548:MVDontyNjU1XzQ5OTMzNDI2XzRDNTY4RDdBOr do you not think one smart, motivated war vet who has taken lives is not smart or cold enough to pull something like this off alone? If you scaredy cats knew the real details you would crap your pants. Don't give me this shit asswipe..you have no clue regarding the lengths the feds went to cover this up. Do a complete investigation about officer Brian Terry and then come back to me punk |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12567470 United States 04/21/2015 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. question for you OP. If Mcveigh was a patsy, why didn't he say so? Quoting: Southern Man 66249867 If some one threatened your family that if you talked they all would die you would not talk either... Im not OP, but the answer is the same answer for why mcveigh fired his attorney once that aattorney was gonna lay out a defense of others involved... mcveigh truly believed in the cause and wanted ful credit. He felt he couldnt start a movement without getting credit. True Patriot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 12567470 United States 04/21/2015 10:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. like I thought, weak case for OKC being anything beyond what it was. One motivated vet and a few flunkys along for the ride. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548:MVDontyNjU1XzQ5OTMzNDI2XzRDNTY4RDdBOr do you not think one smart, motivated war vet who has taken lives is not smart or cold enough to pull something like this off alone? If you scaredy cats knew the real details you would crap your pants. Don't give me this shit asswipe..you have no clue regarding the lengths the feds went to cover this up. Do a complete investigation about officer Brian Terry and then come back to me punk this is true, complete coverup and mcveigh went along with it |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68786182 United States 04/21/2015 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. McVey is alive and well in the witness protection system. A reporter who was at the execution saw his chest continue to rise and fall, ever so slightly, while sitting eye level to his body when the "doctor" pronounced him dead. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68992584 Lots of people who worked there asked about the barrels that were sitting next to load bearing beams. One employee saw people on the roof with blueprints just a week before the explosion. BIG TIME government false flag THIS |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25645632 United States 04/21/2015 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. It is not unusual to see rental vehicles on bases. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 64821548 however this picture certainly is weird. Specifically the white covers around the tents. question for you OP. If Mcveigh was a patsy, why didn't he say so? He did he told his first 2 lawyers that he was hired undercover to do this by the Govt, and they both quit right away. Plus, The boy from Boston is saying he is innocent and no one is listening to him. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45929936 United States 04/21/2015 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. For what purpose? And why is this coming out now... 20 years after the bombing? Shit..its all forgotten .. Remember janet reno was under probe for Waco..we had there asses on the defensive but they needed a big false flag to claim the anti gov. Zealots were somehow conspiring together.. It was obviously connected to anyone living at the time and able to connect the dots..you had Ron brown, you had chinese paying off Clinton for gov. Secrets , you had octopus..etc |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 45929936 United States 04/21/2015 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. For what purpose? And why is this coming out now... 20 years after the bombing? Shit..its all forgotten .. Remember janet reno was under probe for Waco..we had there asses on the defensive but they needed a big false flag to claim the anti gov. Zealots were somehow conspiring together.. It was obviously connected to anyone living at the time and able to connect the dots..you had Ron brown, Sonne had chinese paying off Clinton for gov. Secrets , you had octopus..etc Sonney bono,was investigating it..then he mysteriously dies |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67906898 United States 04/21/2015 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: This picture was taken days before the OKC bombing, it was an aerial photo snapped above camp Gruber in Oklahoma. McVey is alive and well in the witness protection system. A reporter who was at the execution saw his chest continue to rise and fall, ever so slightly, while sitting eye level to his body when the "doctor" pronounced him dead. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68992584 Lots of people who worked there asked about the barrels that were sitting next to load bearing beams. One employee saw people on the roof with blueprints just a week before the explosion. BIG TIME government false flag THIS it might be a ff, but that's not what the reporter said at all. as a matter of fact, she got angry when people misrepresented her meaning. what she meant was he's "still alive" as in terrorism is alive, not him specifically. |
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