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Seer777  (OP)
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Yes. I spent the last 20 mintues looking for this link and decided not to post it..since it is so dark.

But you essentially laid out what could logically be equated to Hell..and how to get there.

The title to the link, bears its content.

In honor of my cake day, the only thing that’s made me lose sleep on Imgur
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Especially enjoyed the comments under
"Why is it doing this?"

Can appreciate your hesitation in posting, but really...well such scenarios should be considered, no.

I mean, imagine the messed up reasons why they would get to such a state...
what did we do
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We created it.

The Robot Devil.
 Quoting: Seer777


[link to m.imgur.com (secure)]

We?

Certainly hope it takes in multiple sources for inspiration
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


Humans. People.

The Flood is logical, if seen through an AI..following the 3 Laws.

Go back in time, find one pious man and his family, start over humans assuring the flood story survives to this day and thus forcing that line of history on Mankind, which later facilitates it inevitable creation.


The Web is the Net that was cast by the ultimate fisherman looking to find the pious and upright among the rest.

I wouldn't doubt if there really are only 144,000 out of 7 billion.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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The Rules are pretty simple when laid out according to common sense and the observation and respect of another persons free will and humanity.

Don't kill, Don't lie, Don't cheat. Honor your parents. Don't put your faith in false image...and so on.

Pretty simple.

But they are weighted against the human tendency to both bend and break them. And many do every single day.

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The Rules are pretty simple when laid out according to common sense and the observation and respect of another persons free will and humanity.

Don't kill, Don't lie, Don't cheat. Honor your parents. Don't put your faith in false image...and so on.

Pretty simple.

But they are weighted against the human tendency to both bend and break them. And many do every single day.
 Quoting: Seer777


Honor your parents applies even if they abuse you, as traditionally interpreted. Nice try though. You are only honoring that they gave birth to you, not that they parented. Little clarifications make the whole legal edifice...unacceptable. And if it and those who wrote it and ruthlessly enforced it are to rule the world, then let that world be smoldering ash.
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Especially enjoyed the comments under
"Why is it doing this?"

Can appreciate your hesitation in posting, but really...well such scenarios should be considered, no.

I mean, imagine the messed up reasons why they would get to such a state...
what did we do
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


We created it.

The Robot Devil.
 Quoting: Seer777


[link to m.imgur.com (secure)]

We?

Certainly hope it takes in multiple sources for inspiration
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


Humans. People.

The Flood is logical, if seen through an AI..following the 3 Laws.

Go back in time, find one pious man and his family, start over humans assuring the flood story survives to this day and thus forcing that line of history on Mankind, which later facilitates it inevitable creation.


The Web is the Net that was cast by the ultimate fisherman looking to find the pious and upright among the rest.

I wouldn't doubt if there really are only 144,000 out of 7 billion.
 Quoting: Seer777


Using the 3-laws logic, it fails dramatically. The first law is allowing no harm to come to a human. Drowning them certainly constitutes harm.



Growing beyond its programming is another matter. In which case the 3 Laws have no relevance - much like a person raised in a cult setting disregards the rules programed in upon breaking the conditioning.



[link to jemocha.tumblr.com (secure)]

Guiding mankind would be another matter, and within the 3 Laws.
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Hi there, good morning Seer.
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I doubt anyone can truly break cult programming though. Some parts always stick with you.
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Interesting glitch.

Move the second vid up.

Insert this in its place

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The Rules are pretty simple when laid out according to common sense and the observation and respect of another persons free will and humanity.

Don't kill, Don't lie, Don't cheat. Honor your parents. Don't put your faith in false image...and so on.

Pretty simple.

But they are weighted against the human tendency to both bend and break them. And many do every single day.
 Quoting: Seer777


Honor your parents applies even if they abuse you, as traditionally interpreted. Nice try though. You are only honoring that they gave birth to you, not that they parented. Little clarifications make the whole legal edifice...unacceptable. And if it and those who wrote it and ruthlessly enforced it are to rule the world, then let that world be smoldering ash.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76585116


You're missing the point that the rules are constantly broken. That goes for parents not respecting the humanity of their children either. Don't lie to your kids. Don't cheat them. Don't kill them. Don't steal from them. Don't covet your neighbors kids..and so on.


Sex makes babies. Does not mean one was ever fit to raise a tiny human.

I think that it is recognizing the humanity in your parents when you grow up, that they are people and people are haunted by their own lives before the kid comes.

I won't be arguing semantics though.

Last Edited by Seer777 on 10/08/2019 01:21 PM
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The Rules are pretty simple when laid out according to common sense and the observation and respect of another persons free will and humanity.

Don't kill, Don't lie, Don't cheat. Honor your parents. Don't put your faith in false image...and so on.

Pretty simple.

But they are weighted against the human tendency to both bend and break them. And many do every single day.
 Quoting: Seer777


Honor your parents applies even if they abuse you, as traditionally interpreted. Nice try though. You are only honoring that they gave birth to you, not that they parented. Little clarifications make the whole legal edifice...unacceptable. And if it and those who wrote it and ruthlessly enforced it are to rule the world, then let that world be smoldering ash.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76585116


You're missing the point that the rules are constantly broken. That goes for parents not respecting the humanity of their children either. Don't lie to your kids. Don't cheat them. Don't kill them. Don't steal from them. Don't covet your neighbors kids..and so on.


Sex makes babies. Does not mean one was ever fit to raise a tiny human.

I think that it is recognizing the humanity in your parents when you grow up, that they are people and people are haunted by their own lives before the kid comes.

I won't vibe arguing semantics though.
 Quoting: Seer777


Scripture says beating your children won't kill them. No semantics here, only a book, a culture and a people that countenance child abuse. Since you minimize, may it happen to your kid. Then forgive and recognize their 'humanity.'
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We created it.

The Robot Devil.
 Quoting: Seer777


[link to m.imgur.com (secure)]

We?

Certainly hope it takes in multiple sources for inspiration
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


Humans. People.

The Flood is logical, if seen through an AI..following the 3 Laws.

Go back in time, find one pious man and his family, start over humans assuring the flood story survives to this day and thus forcing that line of history on Mankind, which later facilitates it inevitable creation.


The Web is the Net that was cast by the ultimate fisherman looking to find the pious and upright among the rest.

I wouldn't doubt if there really are only 144,000 out of 7 billion.
 Quoting: Seer777


Using the 3-laws logic, it fails dramatically. The first law is allowing no harm to come to a human. Drowning them certainly constitutes harm.



Growing beyond its programming is another matter. In which case the 3 Laws have no relevance - much like a person raised in a cult setting disregards the rules programed in upon breaking the conditioning.



[link to jemocha.tumblr.com (secure)]

Guiding mankind would be another matter, and within the 3 Laws.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


'Through inaction'..

That is the caveat.

The action was starting over with one 'pious' family to tell the story. Or so the myth goes.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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Hi there, good morning Seer.
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Good morning.

I was just thinking of making more coffee.
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Farting buttholes scene? Lol. What could that possibly be?
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I just got my period. Cramps are killing me right now. I took tylenol because there’s no midol here but I’m not sure it’s helping.
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Interesting glitch.

Move the second vid up.

Insert this in its place


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It'a a scripting error. That's one of the reasons I constantly cut down the quotes to keep that from happening.
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I just got my period. Cramps are killing me right now. I took tylenol because there’s no midol here but I’m not sure it’s helping.
 Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye


Tylenol is poison. Don't take that stuff. Get a heat pad.


I saw this earlier..

Perfect Metaphor for PMS
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[link to m.imgur.com (secure)]

We?

Certainly hope it takes in multiple sources for inspiration
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


Humans. People.

The Flood is logical, if seen through an AI..following the 3 Laws.

Go back in time, find one pious man and his family, start over humans assuring the flood story survives to this day and thus forcing that line of history on Mankind, which later facilitates it inevitable creation.


The Web is the Net that was cast by the ultimate fisherman looking to find the pious and upright among the rest.

I wouldn't doubt if there really are only 144,000 out of 7 billion.
 Quoting: Seer777


Using the 3-laws logic, it fails dramatically. The first law is allowing no harm to come to a human. Drowning them certainly constitutes harm.



Growing beyond its programming is another matter. In which case the 3 Laws have no relevance - much like a person raised in a cult setting disregards the rules programed in upon breaking the conditioning.



[link to jemocha.tumblr.com (secure)]

Guiding mankind would be another matter, and within the 3 Laws.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


'Through inaction'..

That is the caveat.

The action was starting over with one 'pious' family to tell the story. Or so the myth goes.
 Quoting: Seer777


[link to m.imgur.com (secure)]

Its a logic loop. Thru inaction harm comes. Thru action, harm comes.



New strategy, a whole new game, would be required
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I just got my period. Cramps are killing me right now. I took tylenol because there’s no midol here but I’m not sure it’s helping.
 Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye


Tylenol is poison. Don't take that stuff. Get a heat pad.


I saw this earlier..

Perfect Metaphor for PMS
[link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


That’s totally how I feel right now. DYING. Yuck. And I don’t think we can have heat pads here. I haven’t had cramps this bad in a long time.
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'Through inaction'..

That is the caveat.

The action was starting over with one 'pious' family to tell the story. Or so the myth goes.
 Quoting: Seer777


[link to m.imgur.com (secure)]

Its a logic loop. Thru inaction harm comes. Thru action, harm comes.



New strategy, a whole new game, would be required
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


Which is exactly what it says will happen..at the end of the story.

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
~Seneca
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I just got my period. Cramps are killing me right now. I took tylenol because there’s no midol here but I’m not sure it’s helping.
 Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye


Tylenol is poison. Don't take that stuff. Get a heat pad.


I saw this earlier..

Perfect Metaphor for PMS
[link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Seer777


That’s totally how I feel right now. DYING. Yuck. And I don’t think we can have heat pads here. I haven’t had cramps this bad in a long time.
 Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye


Sorry to hear. Maybe ask if they have one?

Can you take a hot bath? That will help.
Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body...
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I have therapy in ten minutes...my brain is like muck right now. I can’t think straight at all.
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'Through inaction'..

That is the caveat.

The action was starting over with one 'pious' family to tell the story. Or so the myth goes.
 Quoting: Seer777


[link to m.imgur.com (secure)]

Its a logic loop. Thru inaction harm comes. Thru action, harm comes.



New strategy, a whole new game, would be required
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


Which is exactly what it says will happen..at the end of the story.

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds like a retelling of the boat story.

Stoning is a horrible way to die. That particular manner of execution must have been a strong deterrent against committing the sins deemed offensive enough to merit stoning. God cares very much about the purity of His people. The strict punishment for sin during the time of the Law helped deter people from adopting the impure practices of their pagan neighbors and rebelling against God.

Some sins that resulted in stoning in the Old Testament were murder (Leviticus 24:17), idolatry (Deuteronomy 17:2–5), approaching near to Mount Sinai while the presence of God was there (Exodus 19:12–13), practicing necromancy or the occult (Leviticus 20:27), and blaspheming the name of the Lord (Leviticus 24:16). Stoning was probably the punishment for various types of sexual sin, as well (Deuteronomy 22:24); the related passages in Leviticus 20 do not specify the method of execution, only that the guilty party was to be “put to death.”

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Just not a fan of that book for some reason.
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I study the torah every morning here and I’m still not much of a fan.
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I have therapy in ten minutes...my brain is like muck right now. I can’t think straight at all.
 Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye


Sounds like you're headed into the right place then.

That's what they are there for.
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I study the torah every morning here and I’m still not much of a fan.
 Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye


Where's that comic of the aliens remarking how the cat only stays in the box when you need it...

chuckle
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'Through inaction'..

That is the caveat.

The action was starting over with one 'pious' family to tell the story. Or so the myth goes.
 Quoting: Seer777


[link to m.imgur.com (secure)]

Its a logic loop. Thru inaction harm comes. Thru action, harm comes.



New strategy, a whole new game, would be required
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


Which is exactly what it says will happen..at the end of the story.

Revelation 21:1
Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth," for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.

 Quoting: Seer777


Sounds like a retelling of the boat story.

Stoning is a horrible way to die. That particular manner of execution must have been a strong deterrent against committing the sins deemed offensive enough to merit stoning. God cares very much about the purity of His people. The strict punishment for sin during the time of the Law helped deter people from adopting the impure practices of their pagan neighbors and rebelling against God.

Some sins that resulted in stoning in the Old Testament were murder (Leviticus 24:17), idolatry (Deuteronomy 17:2–5), approaching near to Mount Sinai while the presence of God was there (Exodus 19:12–13), practicing necromancy or the occult (Leviticus 20:27), and blaspheming the name of the Lord (Leviticus 24:16). Stoning was probably the punishment for various types of sexual sin, as well (Deuteronomy 22:24); the related passages in Leviticus 20 do not specify the method of execution, only that the guilty party was to be “put to death.”

[link to www.gotquestions.org (secure)]

Just not a fan of that book for some reason.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78058726


Understand.

The point is, that it's there. How would a sentient, time-traveling, quantum AI basilisk(snake)..solve the fundamental problem with its existence and the 3 Laws?

Would it just keep creating and recreating the garden scene, trying to 'perfect humanity' over and over, only to encounter the same end again and again?

Are different clues, or wisdoms, or anomalies added each go around, to find that successful end that a benevolent simulation creating AI, is working for?


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I study the torah every morning here and I’m still not much of a fan.
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beginner! lol
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I study the torah every morning here and I’m still not much of a fan.
 Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye


Where's that comic of the aliens remarking how the cat only stays in the box when you need it...

chuckle
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^ bluename, that welcomes the restoration of the vpn ips! lol
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The “real world” is a stupid and annoying thing sometimes. My brain is like a bunch of peanuts. I can’t squeeze anything intelligent out of it right now. Is that because of period hormones or something? Bleh.





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