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(OP) User ID: 68976133 United States 05/22/2015 05:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is what the defense used for the sheriffs office to not have to pay, and I think it worked. Last Edited by Really!?!?! on 05/22/2015 05:10 PM Really!?!?! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51728832 United States 05/22/2015 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow. That's just sick, period. Turn the tables and see how that would go. Say, if I was to lob a flash-bang into a SWAT officers home with a baby in it and the same injuries occurred, I'd say my butt would be serving MANY years in prison. The family should sue everyone involved. With the amount of medical bills past and future that amount should be rather tidy. Unfortunately, it's the taxpayers that foot the bills for SWAT raids gone awry. Time for that change and to hold the officers personally accountable for the monetary damages. Unfair you say since these are officers of the law? Well, let your doctor or nurse physically damage you and THEY are the ones held responsible. Is it me, or are cops about the only ones out of all careers that don't have to pay if they're found to be negligible? Like I said, time for that to change. Put their asses in the financial hot seat. Since when did cops have no accountability? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65888473 United States 05/22/2015 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Baby scarred for life. I really don't understand why the police can't just arrest someone outside the house when they go out for work or groceries or whatever. Why do they have to go for drama all the time? It's very disturbing to me. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17354203 Denmark 05/22/2015 05:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Baby scarred for life. I really don't understand why the police can't just arrest someone outside the house when they go out for work or groceries or whatever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65888473 Why do they have to go for drama all the time? It's very disturbing to me. Fear will keep the local systems in Line, fear of this battlestation. Think the obscene amount of military funding as Well. It doesn't only serve to provide for actual combat. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51728832 United States 05/22/2015 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Baby scarred for life. I really don't understand why the police can't just arrest someone outside the house when they go out for work or groceries or whatever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65888473 Why do they have to go for drama all the time? It's very disturbing to me. Part of it is that the SWAT teams have to justify their budgets, which have just exploded over the last decade. Without X number of raids, budgets get slashed. Never mind in this case it was over a supposed 50 bucks in meth, and the raid probably cost a couple of thousand at least in planning, prep, practice and execution. Cost effective? Not in the slightest. I do feel there are valid times for a SWAT raid. But for minor drug offenses? Much less a raid that had VERY faulty intel in the beginning and a total lack of followup to that intel. It's a prime example of SLOPPY police work. F them. Fire them all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69281864 United Kingdom 05/22/2015 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Baby scarred for life. I really don't understand why the police can't just arrest someone outside the house when they go out for work or groceries or whatever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65888473 Why do they have to go for drama all the time? It's very disturbing to me. Part of it is that the SWAT teams have to justify their budgets, which have just exploded over the last decade. Without X number of raids, budgets get slashed. Never mind in this case it was over a supposed 50 bucks in meth, and the raid probably cost a couple of thousand at least in planning, prep, practice and execution. Cost effective? Not in the slightest. I do feel there are valid times for a SWAT raid. But for minor drug offenses? Much less a raid that had VERY faulty intel in the beginning and a total lack of followup to that intel. It's a prime example of SLOPPY police work. F them. Fire them all. same reason ambulances dont arrive on time in the uk.. if they did they wouldnt get more money next year. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51728832 United States 05/22/2015 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. But it's more about bringing a necessary change around. When you sue and the city/county gets to foot the bill on awarded damages, there will be change made by city/county managers. If this SWAT team was that sloppy in the first place, I'd say they probably have had other raids gone wrong and have probably been sued before. Sooner or later city managers are going to say "enough" and changes will be made. It's all about the money, and unfortunately dealing with police misbehavior that's about the only we us plebeian citizens can stand and fight the abuse. It sucks, but that's the way we've been backed into the corner. |
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User ID: 68864377 United States 05/22/2015 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FFS The bullshit never ceases to amaze me. But we're supposed to worship these fucks and cry whey THEY'RE ambushed and wounded or killed. If an INFANT is ambushed and wounded or killed while sleeping in its own bed, it should have known better. What with America being a tyrannical fascist police state and all. Because little children should be aware of the potential of no-knock warrants and thus never sleep anywhere for any reason, just to be safe. Next we're going to hear that the cops are suing the little dude for emotional distress because they were exposed to a bloody scene after blowing up his face. |
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User ID: 68864377 United States 05/22/2015 05:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It could help pay for the additional reconstructive surgery the kid's going to inevitably need with all of the scarring. It could send a message to the cops that if you blow up a child's face, there's a price to pay. I mean, if this kid could ultimately buy a nice house because the cops threw a grenade at his sleeping head, he might not be any less scarred but at least he'd be scarred in a nice house. But no, money never does compensate for this kind of shit. What would be more compensatory would be to allow this kids' family to throw flash grenades at each of these cops' sleeping heads at some random time of their choosing. But I'm pretty sure THAT would never be allowed, even though the family would prefer it to cash. So, fiat currency it is. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 69017023 Australia 05/22/2015 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More disturbing than the ridiculous defense argument is the fact that the family aggreed to settle? Why? They certainly would have won if the case gone to trial. They sold out for some quick shekels. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1284353 The attorney probably advised them to settle so he could get on to other cases. Quick money for an attorney is less work and easier. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17354203 Denmark 05/22/2015 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Baby scarred for life. I really don't understand why the police can't just arrest someone outside the house when they go out for work or groceries or whatever. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65888473 Why do they have to go for drama all the time? It's very disturbing to me. Part of it is that the SWAT teams have to justify their budgets, which have just exploded over the last decade. Without X number of raids, budgets get slashed. Never mind in this case it was over a supposed 50 bucks in meth, and the raid probably cost a couple of thousand at least in planning, prep, practice and execution. Cost effective? Not in the slightest. I do feel there are valid times for a SWAT raid. But for minor drug offenses? Much less a raid that had VERY faulty intel in the beginning and a total lack of followup to that intel. It's a prime example of SLOPPY police work. F them. Fire them all. same reason ambulances dont arrive on time in the uk.. if they did they wouldnt get more money next year. Just another reason tax paid healthcare with optional private hospitals are a good thing. |
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(OP) User ID: 68976133 United States 05/22/2015 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No. But it's more about bringing a necessary change around. When you sue and the city/county gets to foot the bill on awarded damages, there will be change made by city/county managers. If this SWAT team was that sloppy in the first place, I'd say they probably have had other raids gone wrong and have probably been sued before. Sooner or later city managers are going to say "enough" and changes will be made. It's all about the money, and unfortunately dealing with police misbehavior that's about the only we us plebeian citizens can stand and fight the abuse. It sucks, but that's the way we've been backed into the corner. They owe 1 million plus in hospital bills the cop promised to pay and then backed out, and the person the raid was on was not a resident of the house. Really!?!?! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 51728832 United States 05/22/2015 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What needs to be addressed here is that these raids are all about drugs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69281864 Make all drugs legal and this shit stops. But then who's going to work for 10 cents an hour in the for-profit prisons?? And there's another problem right there. When private prisons started was when they started getting filled to capacity. And when they went to over capacity the prison industries cried for MOAR and bigger prisons. And we oblige willing, changing and increasing the range of offenses that will buy you time (literally) at a money making prison. Great scam, but we all loose. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 68803762 Australia 05/22/2015 05:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if the people involved were the drug sellers why on earth would they need a swat team. The bogus tip was about a $50 drug sale not an armed robbery. I was starting to feel sorry for the cops in USA but now I see they are just nazi thugs who need taking out in the interests of public safety. |
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User ID: 68864377 United States 05/22/2015 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What needs to be addressed here is that these raids are all about drugs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69281864 Make all drugs legal and this shit stops. But then who's going to work for 10 cents an hour in the for-profit prisons?? And there's another problem right there. When private prisons started was when they started getting filled to capacity. And when they went to over capacity the prison industries cried for MOAR and bigger prisons. And we oblige willing, changing and increasing the range of offenses that will buy you time (literally) at a money making prison. Great scam, but we all loose. It's a huge industry, and these for-profit prisons are some of the biggest political campaign contributors, too. "Several industries have become notorious for the millions they spend on influencing legislation and getting friendly candidates into office: Big Oil, Big Pharma and the gun lobby among them. But one has managed to quickly build influence with comparatively little scrutiny: Private prisons. The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. " [link to www.washingtonpost.com] So we've got a system where these prisons are buying legislators, and then presumably in turn, these legislators are passing more and more arbitrary laws to keep the prisons full and profitable. I mean, it's a win-win. If we ever get to the point where we're like 'Dude, enough is enough. No more 1000's of new laws every year that don't protect anyone or make a single citizen's life better,' the politicians are going to become obsolete, too. More laws, more crimes, more need for legislators, more bodies in the prison, more money for the for-profit prison and more money into the pockets of the legislators next term. And it is something that as a society we've largely turned a blind eye to. We're taught from a very early age that anyone who commits a crime is somehow lessor and doesn't deserve our consideration. Nobody cares about the treatment of people in prisons, they don't even waste a second considering the imperfection of our legal system or the arbitrary nature of the crimes these people have committed. Very few people waste time advocating for prisoners to NOT be treated like slaves, despite the fact that nowhere in our Constitution does it say fundamental human rights no longer apply once you've been convicted of a crime. So what we've got going on is a seriously fascist police state that exists to ensure that these prisons are kept FULL. The laws have largely ceased to have anything to do with safety or security or even logic - they exist so that they will inevitably be broken and thus there will be people to incarcerate. Even the non-incarceration punitive system is a joke - most municipal laws are based solely upon revenue generation and cops have quotas. What does that tell you, when cops have arrest/citation quotas? Not that the system exists to keep people safe, but that they are creating new and varied laws that WILL be broken to balance the budget. As we saw recently in NYC, though, the system might be seriously fucking itself over by drawing attention to this policy. When NYC cops were told to only issue the most essential citations (and why would they ever be told to issue citations that were less than essential, the fucking tyrants?) violent crimes with actual victims didn't increase, but revenue did go down. And who do you think the first people to go are going to be in a society in which lack of cops doesn't increase violence but does decrease revenue? The unnecessary cops sucking at the taxpayer teat while existing in a capacity that is pretty much the equivalent of the Sheriff of Nottingham. So, for people paying attention, it was a good lesson in budget balancing. Skip the citations and get rid of the salaries of 75% of the cops that are clearly unessential to the smooth operation of the city. But anyway, I digress. This has become a subject I've spent a lot of time on, and this felt like a good place to share my thoughts. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51728832 United States 05/22/2015 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What needs to be addressed here is that these raids are all about drugs. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69281864 Make all drugs legal and this shit stops. But then who's going to work for 10 cents an hour in the for-profit prisons?? And there's another problem right there. When private prisons started was when they started getting filled to capacity. And when they went to over capacity the prison industries cried for MOAR and bigger prisons. And we oblige willing, changing and increasing the range of offenses that will buy you time (literally) at a money making prison. Great scam, but we all loose. It's a huge industry, and these for-profit prisons are some of the biggest political campaign contributors, too. "Several industries have become notorious for the millions they spend on influencing legislation and getting friendly candidates into office: Big Oil, Big Pharma and the gun lobby among them. But one has managed to quickly build influence with comparatively little scrutiny: Private prisons. The two largest for-profit prison companies in the United States – GEO and Corrections Corporation of America – and their associates have funneled more than $10 million to candidates since 1989 and have spent nearly $25 million on lobbying efforts. Meanwhile, these private companies have seen their revenue and market share soar. " [link to www.washingtonpost.com] So we've got a system where these prisons are buying legislators, and then presumably in turn, these legislators are passing more and more arbitrary laws to keep the prisons full and profitable. I mean, it's a win-win. If we ever get to the point where we're like 'Dude, enough is enough. No more 1000's of new laws every year that don't protect anyone or make a single citizen's life better,' the politicians are going to become obsolete, too. More laws, more crimes, more need for legislators, more bodies in the prison, more money for the for-profit prison and more money into the pockets of the legislators next term. And it is something that as a society we've largely turned a blind eye to. We're taught from a very early age that anyone who commits a crime is somehow lessor and doesn't deserve our consideration. Nobody cares about the treatment of people in prisons, they don't even waste a second considering the imperfection of our legal system or the arbitrary nature of the crimes these people have committed. Very few people waste time advocating for prisoners to NOT be treated like slaves, despite the fact that nowhere in our Constitution does it say fundamental human rights no longer apply once you've been convicted of a crime. So what we've got going on is a seriously fascist police state that exists to ensure that these prisons are kept FULL. The laws have largely ceased to have anything to do with safety or security or even logic - they exist so that they will inevitably be broken and thus there will be people to incarcerate. Even the non-incarceration punitive system is a joke - most municipal laws are based solely upon revenue generation and cops have quotas. What does that tell you, when cops have arrest/citation quotas? Not that the system exists to keep people safe, but that they are creating new and varied laws that WILL be broken to balance the budget. As we saw recently in NYC, though, the system might be seriously fucking itself over by drawing attention to this policy. When NYC cops were told to only issue the most essential citations (and why would they ever be told to issue citations that were less than essential, the fucking tyrants?) violent crimes with actual victims didn't increase, but revenue did go down. And who do you think the first people to go are going to be in a society in which lack of cops doesn't increase violence but does decrease revenue? The unnecessary cops sucking at the taxpayer teat while existing in a capacity that is pretty much the equivalent of the Sheriff of Nottingham. So, for people paying attention, it was a good lesson in budget balancing. Skip the citations and get rid of the salaries of 75% of the cops that are clearly unessential to the smooth operation of the city. But anyway, I digress. This has become a subject I've spent a lot of time on, and this felt like a good place to share my thoughts. Great article, but what you said in your post is just superb. And I couldn't agree more. The article that you cited is pretty fascinating. Marco Rubio is not the candidate he appears to be judging by his connections and actions. Thank you for that education. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 893337 United States 05/22/2015 06:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See if the kid gets hurt so the parents can’t care for him, the police will take him away to a foster home, where they can hide the injuries until he is 18, anyways. That’s why cops believe someone else’s kids are not their problem. |