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Two Gog-Magog Wars??
Have been studying this and when doing searches there seems to be two wars involving Gog-Magog. One at the beginning of the tribulation, possibly what triggers the covenant/peace treaty and then another after the millennial reign of Christ on earth.

Does anyone have a good study guide on this?

What are your opinions. To clarify this, Believer's opinions.

Some feel the rapture takes place then this Gog-Magog War, or even before the rapture. The rapture timing really isn't the question so try not to focus on this when answering. I just have a feeling that this is the next event that will take place.

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Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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The invasion of Ezekiel 38 occurred last century, right under our noses in plain sight. It was a conquest via Zionist immigration into "the land of unwalled villages dwelling in safety". No such state exists over there any longer - it's now a high-tension zone with barbed-wire checkpoint after checkpoint.
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There is no rapture in the Bible but there will be judgment of the responsible.

The gog Magog war (Dan 11:40 calls him king of the north) will happen while judgment is carried out. It is stopped by Christ appearing on the Mount of Olives and his saints are already with him.

Once Christ is establishing the kingdom in Jerusalem, Catholic Europe will say Christ is the fictional "Antichrist" character and fight against him

Rome is utterly destroyed by fire.

The kingdom carries on in peace until towards the end of the millennial reign, some people will again think they can do better than God and will rebel
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The invasion of Ezekiel 38 occurred last century, right under our noses in plain sight. It was a conquest via Zionist immigration into "the land of unwalled villages dwelling in safety". No such state exists over there any longer - it's now a high-tension zone with barbed-wire checkpoint after checkpoint.
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There wasn't a nation of Israel at that time though. There had to be a nation before it could be invaded. After the war, it will take 7 years to clean it up. That has NOT happened.
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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The 2 wars about to happen are the wine press and the wheat harvest of Revelation. 2 separate events.


And then the final rebellion is another event. When the final rebellion happens, it is put down. The 2nd resurrection happens (for the mortals of the millennial age) and sin and death are destroyed
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Gog and Magog

Russia and it's allias vs USA and it's Allias

they are both BAD.
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There is no rapture in the Bible but there will be judgment of the responsible.

The gog Magog war (Dan 11:40 calls him king of the north) will happen while judgment is carried out. It is stopped by Christ appearing on the Mount of Olives and his saints are already with him.

Once Christ is establishing the kingdom in Jerusalem, Catholic Europe will say Christ is the fictional "Antichrist" character and fight against him

Rome is utterly destroyed by fire.

The kingdom carries on in peace until towards the end of the millennial reign, some people will again think they can do better than God and will rebel
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69759977


You speak of the battle of Armageddon. The GM war will be from the north. Armageddon will be from all nations and all peoples which Christ returning stops to kill the a/c. Gog is the leader in that war, while the beast is the leader of Armageddon.
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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Re: Two Gog-Magog Wars??
Gog and Magog

Russia and it's allias vs USA and it's Allias

they are both BAD.
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Terribly so
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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Re: Two Gog-Magog Wars??
The 2 wars about to happen are the wine press and the wheat harvest of Revelation. 2 separate events.


And then the final rebellion is another event. When the final rebellion happens, it is put down. The 2nd resurrection happens (for the mortals of the millennial age) and sin and death are destroyed
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I know at the end of the millennial regein there is another war that is called GM but it never happens as God stops it right off the bat.
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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Yes you are right, there are two. One before and one after the millennium. I don't remember the details though. I don't think the Bible says much about the one after the millennium except that it happens.
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Rev 20:7-10 KJV

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

This is then followed by the Great White Throne judgement and eternity.

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The invasion of Ezekiel 38 occurred last century, right under our noses in plain sight. It was a conquest via Zionist immigration into "the land of unwalled villages dwelling in safety". No such state exists over there any longer - it's now a high-tension zone with barbed-wire checkpoint after checkpoint.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59487325


There wasn't a nation of Israel at that time though. There had to be a nation before it could be invaded. After the war, it will take 7 years to clean it up. That has NOT happened.
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


Israel is not Israel - they're Esau. Recall when Jacob tricked their father into giving him the birthright? Because we reap what we sow, the tables are now turned on him, and Esau is the one wearing the disguise, reveling in the adoration of the multitudes who think he's really Jacob, despite his decades of bloodthirsty misdeeds.

This is why we're told to "know them by their fruit", not by the costume they adopt or what Fox news calls them.

And I only mentioned the invasion, and did not claim the war is ceased.
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Whatever the near and not so near future holds, the good need to be wary. More so then any recent modern times.

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If it takes 7 years to clean up, this would put it before or at the beginning of the Tribulation, not half way through.

Or is it totally unrelated to the Tribulation? If this is the case it needs to happen soon.
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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Whatever the near and not so near future holds, the good need to be wary. More so then any recent modern times.

candle
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Thank you Deano and yes you are 100% right.
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There is no rapture in the Bible but there will be judgment of the responsible.

The gog Magog war (Dan 11:40 calls him king of the north) will happen while judgment is carried out. It is stopped by Christ appearing on the Mount of Olives and his saints are already with him.

Once Christ is establishing the kingdom in Jerusalem, Catholic Europe will say Christ is the fictional "Antichrist" character and fight against him

Rome is utterly destroyed by fire.

The kingdom carries on in peace until towards the end of the millennial reign, some people will again think they can do better than God and will rebel
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Sounds like game of thrones.
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Christ doesn't end the Gog-Magog war, God does. Christ ends Armageddon when He returns at His 2nd Coming. These are two very different happenings. Gog is buried, the beast/satan is thrown into the bottomless pit!
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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There are many threads on GLP to trash talk on --- this isn't one of them.
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The invasion of Ezekiel 38 occurred last century, right under our noses in plain sight. It was a conquest via Zionist immigration into "the land of unwalled villages dwelling in safety". No such state exists over there any longer - it's now a high-tension zone with barbed-wire checkpoint after checkpoint.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59487325


There wasn't a nation of Israel at that time though. There had to be a nation before it could be invaded. After the war, it will take 7 years to clean it up. That has NOT happened.
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


Israel is not Israel - they're Esau. Recall when Jacob tricked their father into giving him the birthright? Because we reap what we sow, the tables are now turned on him, and Esau is the one wearing the disguise, reveling in the adoration of the multitudes who think he's really Jacob, despite his decades of bloodthirsty misdeeds.

This is why we're told to "know them by their fruit", not by the costume they adopt or what Fox news calls them.

And I only mentioned the invasion, and did not claim the war is ceased.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59487325


Esau's descendants that took control of Judea under the Romans in 60 BC later converted the Khazars to Judaism. The Khazars traced their lineage back to Japheth---and Gomer, Gog and Magog, Togarmah, and Ashkenaz.

Genesis 10:2-3
"1Now these are the records of the generations of Shem, Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah; and sons were born to them after the flood. 2The sons of Japheth were Gomer and Magog and Madai and Javan and Tubal and Meshech and Tiras. 3The sons of Gomer were Ashkenaz and Riphath and Togarmah"

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There is a difference between GM and Armageddon.

Ezekiel 38:4 & 15-17 KJV
4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords:

15 And thou shalt come from thy place out of the north parts, thou, and many people with thee, all of them riding upon horses, a great company, and a mighty army:
16 And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
17 Thus saith the Lord God; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

Daniel 11:40-41 KJV
40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

The passage in Daniel is about the conquest of the antichrist, described as the "king of the North," when he begins to rise in power near the middle of the Tribulation. Babylon will be the center of the antichrist's kingdom, which is northeast of Israel (Revelation 18 & 19). Also, at least two prophets in Scripture refer to the antichrist as the Assyrian (Isaiah 10, 14 & Micah 5), and most of the land of the Assyrian kingdom lay to the north of Israel. However, Ezekiel says that Gog and its troops comes from the "far north" (Ezekiel 38:6), which better describes an area further north than Assyria. Most believe that this country "far north" is Russia.

As shown in the last section, there are differences between Gog and the antichrist. Another difference between the positions of the antichrist and Gog is that a "king" and a "chief prince" have different ranks of command. Also, sometime during the Tribulation the antichrist will take over Israel, as we saw in the passage above in Daniel. Contrast that to the passage below, where God will destroy Gog and his horde before they can destroy Israel in the "Gog and Magog War." It is clear that these are two different campaigns and two different generals:

Ezekiel 39:2-6 - "...and I will turn you around and lead you on, bringing you up from the far north, and bring you against the mountains of Israel. Then I will knock the bow out of your left hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand. You shall fall upon the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you to birds of prey of every sort and to the beasts of the field to be devoured. You shall fall on the open field; for I have spoken," says the Lord GOD. "And I will send fire on Magog and on those who live in security in the coastlands."
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If it takes 7 years to clean up, this would put it before or at the beginning of the Tribulation, not half way through.

Or is it totally unrelated to the Tribulation? If this is the case it needs to happen soon.
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Well the tribulation officially ends and the reign of christ begins later this year..
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I really think it's a toss up whether we see the Ezekiel 38 war, or the psalm 83 war- could go either way.

If we do...well, I'll be doing some serious door knocking soul winning.
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Be wary of what you read and study.
Rely on your heart to decide, not your head.
There are many false doctrines out there and many truths that were omitted.
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If it takes 7 years to clean up, this would put it before or at the beginning of the Tribulation, not half way through.

Or is it totally unrelated to the Tribulation? If this is the case it needs to happen soon.
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


Well the tribulation officially ends and the reign of christ begins later this year..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69768420


No, that isn't going to happen. The Trib might start this year but we are not in the Tribulation right now. Now matter how bad it seems, it is going to get a lot worse. Too many things have to happen during the Trib and we haven't seen any of them yet.
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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Be wary of what you read and study.
Rely on your heart to decide, not your head.
There are many false doctrines out there and many truths that were omitted.
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This is true but I do believe that the Lord God Almighty is BIG enough to make sure we have what we need exactly in these coming Last Days. Yes, the Holy Spirit will guild and teach us, opening up an understanding that before was only a confusing mystery.

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Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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Just trying to learn what is coming. We all should who are believers and overcomers.
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Rapture occurs at the sixth seal, Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 are telling you the same story. First Gog and Magog (Ezekiel 28 & 29) will occur before the 7 year period of the last days judgements. The seals ARE NOT God's judgement they are apart of this falling world and are getting stronger everyday. Like the birth pains.

All that being said those things are not important ONLY are you saved?

Revelation 12:11 (KJV)

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
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Rapture occurs at the sixth seal, Matthew 24 and Revelation 6 are telling you the same story. First Gog and Magog (Ezekiel 28 & 29) will occur before the 7 year period of the last days judgements. The seals ARE NOT God's judgement they are apart of this falling world and are getting stronger everyday. Like the birth pains.

All that being said those things are not important ONLY are you saved?

Revelation 12:11 (KJV)

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
 Quoting: Any Who


This is number one above all else!!!

John 3 16

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Isaiah 5:20 KJV
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Whatever the near and not so near future holds, the good need to be wary. More so then any recent modern times.

candle
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Thank you Deano and yes you are 100% right.
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Not to get off topic much. But I mean all good people. Some of us in the world are not believers of religions. But we are still good and moral humans. Being spiritual, does not always mean religion.

Just to share, don't get mad at me.
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Whatever the near and not so near future holds, the good need to be wary. More so then any recent modern times.

candle
 Quoting: deanoZXT


Thank you Deano and yes you are 100% right.
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


Not to get off topic much. But I mean all good people. Some of us in the world are not believers of religions. But we are still good and moral humans. Being spiritual, does not always mean religion.

Just to share, don't get mad at me.
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Mad at YOU? Nope. I know there are many different religions out there that are filled with millions of good people. I know that there are many so called religions or churches that are filled with many people who are not good.

I believe something will happen, maybe this Gog-Magog was, that will show people there is only one true God and HE is really there and in charge. God is not religion. God is the Great I AM
Isaiah 5:20 KJV
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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