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Now that the CERN hype threads have sputtered out, I thought I'd just like to point out that the sensationalism surrounding CERN could well have been an overcompensation for the fact that subatomic particle physics is so pathetically boring. The scientists may want to gain attention for their ridiculously expensive, geographically expansive, taxpayer funded facility, which yields so very little in terms of practical applicability to the advancement or well being of humanity.

The same could be said of astronomy. Staring through telescopes at never ending fields of little white dots is actually fairly boring and aesthetically uninspiring. Only when you bring in the computers and all of the glorious colorization of things does it get more interesting. Then it can be "sold" to the masses in an attempt to justify all of the grant moneys for equipment and research.
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So, basically what we need to hand these Academics is a box of crayons and some paper and they would present the same Amazeballs info?
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So, basically what we need to hand these Academics is a box of crayons and some paper and they would present the same Amazeballs info?
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Something like that. When humans gained mastery of the periodic table of the elements, they invented nuclear weapons. Now that we've unraveled DNA, we're sporting designer genes to our own detriment.

I wouldn't mind a program to fend off threatening near earth objects such as meteorites, asteroids, comets, and the debris in their tails. That might buy us some time to see if we can somehow find a way to get along without blowing ourselves up or poisoning ourselves.
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Now that the CERN hype threads have sputtered out, I thought I'd just like to point out that the sensationalism surrounding CERN could well have been an overcompensation for the fact that subatomic particle physics is so pathetically boring.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

I am sure particle physicists as fascinated. CERN's purpose is not to entertain the man in the street. It's job is to make the breakthroughs to help us understand some of creation's biggest mysteries.

The scientists may want to gain attention for their ridiculously expensive, geographically expansive, taxpayer funded facility,
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Unless your are a European citizen, non of that is any of your business. Have you had 28 cents worth of use from the WWW this year? If all web users agreed, that would cover CERN's budget.

which yields so very little in terms of practical applicability to the advancement or well being of humanity.
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Well you look like you are making use of the world wide web, as are 3.2 billion other people today. Previous generations of particle accelerators and nuclear research have given us medical imaging, X-rays, CT scans, PET scans and MRI.

Who knows what inventions will follow in the far future from what CERN is doing today . When Prime Minister Gladstone asked Michael Faraday what use was electricity he replied, "Why, sir, there is every probability that you will soon be able to tax it"

 
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yeah, like if the internet wasnt created we'd be living in some kind of tyrannical barbarian type reality, i dont think humanity could live without CERN....
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Now that the CERN hype threads have sputtered out, I thought I'd just like to point out that the sensationalism surrounding CERN could well have been an overcompensation for the fact that subatomic particle physics is so pathetically boring.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

I am sure particle physicists as fascinated. CERN's purpose is not to entertain the man in the street. It's job is to make the breakthroughs to help us understand some of creation's biggest mysteries.

The scientists may want to gain attention for their ridiculously expensive, geographically expansive, taxpayer funded facility,
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Unless your are a European citizen, non of that is any of your business. Have you had 28 cents worth of use from the WWW this year? If all web users agreed, that would cover CERN's budget.

which yields so very little in terms of practical applicability to the advancement or well being of humanity.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Well you look like you are making use of the world wide web, as are 3.2 billion other people today. Previous generations of particle accelerators and nuclear research have given us medical imaging, X-rays, CT scans, PET scans and MRI.

Who knows what inventions will follow in the far future from what CERN is doing today . When Prime Minister Gladstone asked Michael Faraday what use was electricity he replied, "Why, sir, there is every probability that you will soon be able to tax it"

 
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I'd like to ask the residents of Fukushima, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki about the down side of subatomic physics. Heck, today we might even want to ask the residents of St. Louis how they feel about the combination of nuclear waste and landfill fires.

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yeah, like if the internet wasnt created we'd be living in some kind of tyrannical barbarian type reality, i dont think humanity could live without CERN....
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Worldwide, top-down, control of the internet could end up facilitating global tyranny.
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I'd like to ask the residents of Fukushima, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki about the down side of subatomic physics. Heck, today we might even want to ask the residents of St. Louis how they feel about the combination of nuclear waste and landfill fires.
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So the Car was a terrible invention because we have the tank and the Airliner, because of the bomber and electricity because we have electrocution. Take that attitude and you end up living back in a cave. Tell me how terrible particle accelerators are next time, God forbid, you urgently need a medical scan. Does the irony of using the WWW to ask what use is CERN not register with you at all?

 

 
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I'd like to ask the residents of Fukushima, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki about the down side of subatomic physics. Heck, today we might even want to ask the residents of St. Louis how they feel about the combination of nuclear waste and landfill fires.
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So the Car was a terrible invention because we have the tank and the Airliner, because of the bomber and electricity because we have electrocution. Take that attitude and you end up living back in a cave. Tell me how terrible particle accelerators are next time, God forbid, you urgently need a medical scan. Does the irony of using the WWW to ask what use is CERN not register with you at all?

 

 
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im no expert, so the creation of CERN directly attributed to the medical industry? and without CERN we would of never discovered x-rays n such?
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yeah, like if the internet wasnt created we'd be living in some kind of tyrannical barbarian type reality, i dont think humanity could live without CERN....
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Worldwide, top-down, control of the internet could end up facilitating global tyranny.
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i was being sarcastic too bro xD as much i use the internet i was born into it. and could see a brighter side to people/humanity using less of the contraption. we defineolty werent ready for the type of connection it brings. still to immature.
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I'd like to ask the residents of Fukushima, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki about the down side of subatomic physics. Heck, today we might even want to ask the residents of St. Louis how they feel about the combination of nuclear waste and landfill fires.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple


So the Car was a terrible invention because we have the tank and the Airliner, because of the bomber and electricity because we have electrocution. Take that attitude and you end up living back in a cave. Tell me how terrible particle accelerators are next time, God forbid, you urgently need a medical scan. Does the irony of using the WWW to ask what use is CERN not register with you at all?

 

 
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im no expert, so the creation of CERN directly attributed to the medical industry? and without CERN we would of never discovered x-rays n such?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39599139


Exactly. It may well be that particle accelerator research contributed somehow to the development of the PET scan or MRI, but I haven't researched the history there. This is similar to the "spin off" technology argument used in support of space program research and development. I'm no Luddite, and I'm not against or in denial of technological spin offs. I just sometimes wonder if money could be saved by direct research into these fields rather than merely capitalizing on spin off benefits from other programs.

My original point, actually, was not so much about the research itself, but about the possibility that the hype generated around CERN could have had to do with drawing attention to something that the general public considers unintelligible or boring.

I was also making the point that we humans have a tendency to misuse the technologies we master.

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I'd like to ask the residents of Fukushima, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki about the down side of subatomic physics. Heck, today we might even want to ask the residents of St. Louis how they feel about the combination of nuclear waste and landfill fires.
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So the Car was a terrible invention because we have the tank and the Airliner, because of the bomber and electricity because we have electrocution. Take that attitude and you end up living back in a cave. Tell me how terrible particle accelerators are next time, God forbid, you urgently need a medical scan. Does the irony of using the WWW to ask what use is CERN not register with you at all?

 

 
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im no expert, so the creation of CERN directly attributed to the medical industry? and without CERN we would of never discovered x-rays n such?
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No, read my first post again. We have X-Rays because William Crookes was accelerating electrons in the worlds first particle accelerator.
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Now that the CERN hype threads have sputtered out, I thought I'd just like to point out that the sensationalism surrounding CERN could well have been an overcompensation for the fact that subatomic particle physics is so pathetically boring.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

I am sure particle physicists as fascinated. CERN's purpose is not to entertain the man in the street. It's job is to make the breakthroughs to help us understand some of creation's biggest mysteries.

The scientists may want to gain attention for their ridiculously expensive, geographically expansive, taxpayer funded facility,
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Unless your are a European citizen, non of that is any of your business. Have you had 28 cents worth of use from the WWW this year? If all web users agreed, that would cover CERN's budget.

which yields so very little in terms of practical applicability to the advancement or well being of humanity.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Well you look like you are making use of the world wide web, as are 3.2 billion other people today. Previous generations of particle accelerators and nuclear research have given us medical imaging, X-rays, CT scans, PET scans and MRI.

Who knows what inventions will follow in the far future from what CERN is doing today . When Prime Minister Gladstone asked Michael Faraday what use was electricity he replied, "Why, sir, there is every probability that you will soon be able to tax it"

 
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LMFAO are you old enough to have been there at the beginning of the www? That's like trying to credit the guy that invented thread for the entire dolce and gabbana line! CERN should be paying US if you're gonna use that kind of ass logic.The public made the internet what it is, not Mr. CERN by a long damn shot.
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I'd like to ask the residents of Fukushima, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki about the down side of subatomic physics. Heck, today we might even want to ask the residents of St. Louis how they feel about the combination of nuclear waste and landfill fires.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple


So the Car was a terrible invention because we have the tank and the Airliner, because of the bomber and electricity because we have electrocution. Take that attitude and you end up living back in a cave. Tell me how terrible particle accelerators are next time, God forbid, you urgently need a medical scan. Does the irony of using the WWW to ask what use is CERN not register with you at all?

 

 
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Fuck CERN.
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I'd like to ask the residents of Fukushima, Hiroshima, and Nagasaki about the down side of subatomic physics. Heck, today we might even want to ask the residents of St. Louis how they feel about the combination of nuclear waste and landfill fires.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple


So the Car was a terrible invention because we have the tank and the Airliner, because of the bomber and electricity because we have electrocution. Take that attitude and you end up living back in a cave. Tell me how terrible particle accelerators are next time, God forbid, you urgently need a medical scan. Does the irony of using the WWW to ask what use is CERN not register with you at all?

 

 
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70574465


im no expert, so the creation of CERN directly attributed to the medical industry? and without CERN we would of never discovered x-rays n such?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39599139


Exactly. It may well be that particle accelerator research contributed somehow to the development of the PET scan or MRI, but I haven't researched the history there. This is similar to the "spin off" technology argument used in support of space program research and development. I'm no Luddite, and I'm not against or in denial of technological spin offs. I just sometimes wonder if money could be saved by direct research into these fields rather than merely capitalizing on spin off benefits from other programs.

My original point, actually, was not so much about the research itself, but about the possibility that the hype generated around CERN could have had to do with drawing attention to something that the general public considers unintelligible or boring.

I was also making the point that we humans have a tendency to misuse the technologies we master.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple


It's also still nothing to do with either American or Australian tax payers. If you want to lobby your congressman to spend more money on medical imaging, be my guest. Meanwhile in Europe CERN has started to unravel some of the mysteries of the universe including the discovery of the Higgs, W and Z bosons, the creation of atomic antimatter and as a spinoff it has given us the WWW. UK budget contribution to CERN this year is £90 million., that's less than one percent of what you pay for NASA.
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Now that the CERN hype threads have sputtered out, I thought I'd just like to point out that the sensationalism surrounding CERN could well have been an overcompensation for the fact that subatomic particle physics is so pathetically boring.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

I am sure particle physicists as fascinated. CERN's purpose is not to entertain the man in the street. It's job is to make the breakthroughs to help us understand some of creation's biggest mysteries.

The scientists may want to gain attention for their ridiculously expensive, geographically expansive, taxpayer funded facility,
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Unless your are a European citizen, non of that is any of your business. Have you had 28 cents worth of use from the WWW this year? If all web users agreed, that would cover CERN's budget.

which yields so very little in terms of practical applicability to the advancement or well being of humanity.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Well you look like you are making use of the world wide web, as are 3.2 billion other people today. Previous generations of particle accelerators and nuclear research have given us medical imaging, X-rays, CT scans, PET scans and MRI.

Who knows what inventions will follow in the far future from what CERN is doing today . When Prime Minister Gladstone asked Michael Faraday what use was electricity he replied, "Why, sir, there is every probability that you will soon be able to tax it"

 
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70574465


LMFAO are you old enough to have been there at the beginning of the www? That's like trying to credit the guy that invented thread for the entire dolce and gabbana line! CERN should be paying US if you're gonna use that kind of ass logic.The public made the internet what it is, not Mr. CERN by a long damn shot.
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I was using the Internet for remote terminal access, usenet and email years before Mosaic was available, in fact I think I used Lynx before Mosaic. Tim Berners-Lee invented the first web server, web browser, http protocol and adapted hypertext into html on a NeXT cube at CERN. Without the technology you wouldn't have a chance to display your ignorance. Your argument is that the X factor invented television, fail.
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Now that the CERN hype threads have sputtered out, I thought I'd just like to point out that the sensationalism surrounding CERN could well have been an overcompensation for the fact that subatomic particle physics is so pathetically boring.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

I am sure particle physicists as fascinated. CERN's purpose is not to entertain the man in the street. It's job is to make the breakthroughs to help us understand some of creation's biggest mysteries.

The scientists may want to gain attention for their ridiculously expensive, geographically expansive, taxpayer funded facility,
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Unless your are a European citizen, non of that is any of your business. Have you had 28 cents worth of use from the WWW this year? If all web users agreed, that would cover CERN's budget.

which yields so very little in terms of practical applicability to the advancement or well being of humanity.
 Quoting: Berf Snurple

Well you look like you are making use of the world wide web, as are 3.2 billion other people today. Previous generations of particle accelerators and nuclear research have given us medical imaging, X-rays, CT scans, PET scans and MRI.

Who knows what inventions will follow in the far future from what CERN is doing today . When Prime Minister Gladstone asked Michael Faraday what use was electricity he replied, "Why, sir, there is every probability that you will soon be able to tax it"

 
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70574465


LMFAO are you old enough to have been there at the beginning of the www? That's like trying to credit the guy that invented thread for the entire dolce and gabbana line! CERN should be paying US if you're gonna use that kind of ass logic.The public made the internet what it is, not Mr. CERN by a long damn shot.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70575797


I was using the Internet for remote terminal access, usenet and email years before Mosaic was available, in fact I think I used Lynx before Mosaic. Tim Berners-Lee invented the first web server, web browser, http protocol and adapted hypertext into html on a NeXT cube at CERN. Without the technology you wouldn't have a chance to display your ignorance. Your argument is that the X factor invented television, fail.
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What aspects of the computer innovations developed by Tim Berners-Lee necessitated the smashing together of subatomic particles? Could he not have done the same things in a garage somewhere with his NeXT cube, which was itself a much hyped novelty that did not last?

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