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BBC engineer killed by drinking e-cig

 
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BBC engineer killed by drinking e-cig
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

A BBC TV contractor was found dead in his living room after drinking a mix of alcohol and the liquid used in e-cigarettes.

Jonathan Keen, 46, who was described as a functioning alcoholic, was found by his girlfriend at his flat in Chesham, Buckinghamshire, next to remnants of fluid used in e-cigarettes and empty cans of cider.

Buckinghamshire Coroner Richard Hulett heard Mr Keen would regularly mix his own concentrations of nicotine to use in the cigarette substitute.

Recording a verdict of suicide, Mr Hulett said it was the first time he had heard of someone 'dying directly from this' in the county.
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Easy to die from that. One chemical is trying to slow your heart rate, the other is trying to speed it up.

Results in a heart attack.
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11/27/2015 10:51 AM
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I don't see how it was suicide. More like accidental death.
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11/27/2015 10:54 AM
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Fuck what a horrible way to go that would be. Ive overdosed a couple of times on pre workout stimulants and it was horrible, can only imagine the fear he must have been in in his last moments.
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11/27/2015 10:57 AM
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Nicotine overdose, quite simple at that.
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Let me guess, this is a new 'thing' that's caught on. 1doh1
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
Not with a bang but with a whimper.
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Re: BBC engineer killed by drinking e-cig
Nicotine overdose, quite simple at that.
 Quoting: 1050601 70510283


hesright
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11/27/2015 11:07 AM
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Polypropylene glycol. Half of what most e-cig liquids are made of. Its mother fucking antifreeze. violin
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Polypropylene glycol. Half of what most e-cig liquids are made of. Its mother fucking antifreeze. violin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27004391


Liar. That's bullshit lie gets repeated all the time by people too stupid to look it up. Diethylene Glycol is in anti-freeze.
Food grade propelyne glycol used in ecigarettes is FDA approved for human ingestion and inhalation UNLIKE diethylene. Food grade PG is found in probably 5-10 things you put in your body everyday already. Toothpaste, candies, gum, drink flavoring, soaps, shampoo, ANY kind of medication inhaler uses PG to make the medication inhalable.

Shill
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Let me guess, this is a new 'thing' that's caught on. 1doh1
 Quoting: Shiva ascendant


No its not new. Stupid morons used to do it with nicotine patches. They slap as many nicotine patches on themselves as possible then they smoke a cigarette in a attempt to get a rush.

Little did they realize that nicotine overdose is very real and very fast acting. So they generally wound up dead, or severely brain damaged.
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Polypropylene glycol. Half of what most e-cig liquids are made of. Its mother fucking antifreeze. violin
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27004391


Liar. That's bullshit lie gets repeated all the time by people too stupid to look it up. Diethylene Glycol is in anti-freeze.
Food grade propelyne glycol used in ecigarettes is FDA approved for human ingestion and inhalation UNLIKE diethylene. Food grade PG is found in probably 5-10 things you put in your body everyday already. Toothpaste, candies, gum, drink flavoring, soaps, shampoo, ANY kind of medication inhaler uses PG to make the medication inhalable.

Shill
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Hey dumbass, do your own research, even the food grade is used in antifreeze that can harm you. Look up propropylene glycol food grade and read the fucking label. Your the lying shill... The shit even causes nerve damage besides being antifreeze.
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Let me guess, this is a new 'thing' that's caught on. 1doh1
 Quoting: Shiva ascendant


Like the condom challenge. Trends are going to start killing sheeple because they can't help but comform to ignorance. It's stupid and you could die, but everyone else is doing it so you guess you will jump off the bridge too then.

sheep Just do it, follow the herd, right off that fucking cliff.
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Let me guess, this is a new 'thing' that's caught on. 1doh1
 Quoting: Shiva ascendant


No its not new. Stupid morons used to do it with nicotine patches. They slap as many nicotine patches on themselves as possible then they smoke a cigarette in a attempt to get a rush.

Little did they realize that nicotine overdose is very real and very fast acting. So they generally wound up dead, or severely brain damaged.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 56537535


Huh, people and their pursuit of the cheap buzz. loser
This is the way the world ends.
This is the way the world ends.
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Safety in humans
Oral administration

The acute oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low, and large quantities are required to cause perceptible health damage in humans; propylene glycol is metabolized in the human body into pyruvic acid (a normal part of the glucose-metabolism process, readily converted to energy), acetic acid (handled by ethanol-metabolism), lactic acid (a normal acid generally abundant during digestion),[21] and propionaldehyde (a potentially hazardous substance).[22][23][24]

Serious toxicity generally occurs at plasma concentrations over 4 g/L in, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time, or when used as a vehicle for drugs or vitamins given intravenously or orally.[25] It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1 g/kg of PG, except for alcoholic beverages which are allowed 5 percent = 50g/kg.[26] Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are usually related to either inappropriate intravenous administration or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children.[27]A recent case of propylene glycol poisoning from excess whiskey ingestion has been reported, in which a young man required ICU admission for respiratory depression and a significant osmolal gap metabolic acidosis.[28] The potential for long-term oral toxicity is also low. In one study, in 1972, 12 rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks, and they showed no apparent ill effects; no data on offspring was offered.[29] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol was classified by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration as "generally recognized as safe" (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive, including frozen foods such as ice cream and frozen desserts.[30][31] The GRAS designation is specific to its use in food, and does not apply to other uses.[32]

E-cig liquid is up to like 75% propylene glycol. Meaning it is not the dilluted version of propylene glycol that is in food and drinks. Most of that substance is propylene glycol.

When you consume propylene glycol it is transformed into several different chemicals in your body causing more problems besides those linked to propylene glycol. One of these chemicals is propionaldehyde. It is an aldahyde and can cause neurological and heart damage.
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Ps....its not water vapor you exhale its vaporized vegetable oil.
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Safety in humans
Oral administration

The acute oral toxicity of propylene glycol is very low, and large quantities are required to cause perceptible health damage in humans; propylene glycol is metabolized in the human body into pyruvic acid (a normal part of the glucose-metabolism process, readily converted to energy), acetic acid (handled by ethanol-metabolism), lactic acid (a normal acid generally abundant during digestion),[21] and propionaldehyde (a potentially hazardous substance).[22][23][24]

Serious toxicity generally occurs at plasma concentrations over 4 g/L in, which requires extremely high intake over a relatively short period of time, or when used as a vehicle for drugs or vitamins given intravenously or orally.[25] It would be nearly impossible to reach toxic levels by consuming foods or supplements, which contain at most 1 g/kg of PG, except for alcoholic beverages which are allowed 5 percent = 50g/kg.[26] Cases of propylene glycol poisoning are usually related to either inappropriate intravenous administration or accidental ingestion of large quantities by children.[27]A recent case of propylene glycol poisoning from excess whiskey ingestion has been reported, in which a young man required ICU admission for respiratory depression and a significant osmolal gap metabolic acidosis.[28] The potential for long-term oral toxicity is also low. In one study, in 1972, 12 rats were provided with feed containing as much as 5% PG over a period of 104 weeks, and they showed no apparent ill effects; no data on offspring was offered.[29] Because of its low chronic oral toxicity, propylene glycol was classified by the U. S. Food and Drug Administration as "generally recognized as safe" (GRAS) for use as a direct food additive, including frozen foods such as ice cream and frozen desserts.[30][31] The GRAS designation is specific to its use in food, and does not apply to other uses.[32]

E-cig liquid is up to like 75% propylene glycol. Meaning it is not the dilluted version of propylene glycol that is in food and drinks. Most of that substance is propylene glycol.

When you consume propylene glycol it is transformed into several different chemicals in your body causing more problems besides those linked to propylene glycol. One of these chemicals is propionaldehyde. It is an aldahyde and can cause neurological and heart damage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27004391


If you had 1 kg of a 75%/15% propylene glycol/nicotine mix then well that is way more that 5%(50g/kg) of PG. Meaning that these e-cig mixture potentially all are toxic because none of them are as low as 5% PG per kg. It is a way higher amount of PG.
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What is the condom challenge...
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What is the condom challenge...
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Something stupid..

Leave 1 drunk idiot to fuck that up and it could all be over.. pigchef
And this wierd shit...

Never underestimate the power of sheeple in numbers.sheeplebah
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Ban BBC engineers NAO!!!

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I wanna see people start doing that condom thing without the person expecting it.
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BBC Engineer?

What they neglected to tell you...

He was Butt-Chugging.

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Re: BBC engineer killed by drinking e-cig
Does e-cigarette fluid have any detectable taste?


Would someone know they weren't just consuming a strawberry shake or a banana smoothie?

Could the guy have been poisoned?





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