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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70663772 United States 09/11/2020 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agreed. [imgur] [link to i.imgur.com (secure)] heh, fitting use for me to first use the new imgur embed... very nice, like seconds of effort for desired effect kind of nice |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79363152 United States 09/11/2020 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agreed. https://imgur.com/X3GUCxm heh, fitting use for me to first use the new imgur embed... very nice, like seconds of effort for desired effect kind of nice Good one. :) I love the new feature. For imgur links that have several images, the > scrolls through them. I think I'm gonna do all my Halloween shopping today. I want to do a care package for my niece and nephew of fun things. Might make some lollipops with the Halloween molds I have. Need to do something. Going outside is still pretty off limits. Doesn't smell like campfire anymore. So there's that. [link to youtu.be (secure)] Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 71504938 United States 09/11/2020 08:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agreed. https://imgur.com/X3GUCxm heh, fitting use for me to first use the new imgur embed... very nice, like seconds of effort for desired effect kind of nice Good one. :) I love the new feature. For imgur links that have several images, the > scrolls through them. I think I'm gonna do all my Halloween shopping today. I want to do a care package for my niece and nephew of fun things. Might make some lollipops with the Halloween molds I have. Need to do something. Going outside is still pretty off limits. Doesn't smell like campfire anymore. So there's that. [link to youtu.be (secure)] That sounds so cute! |
Seer777
(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79363152 United States 09/12/2020 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dopamine-driven feedback loop Quoting: Seer777 Dopamine is associated with “seeking” behavior. It works to motivate people to seek out food, information and entertainment, among myriad other commodities and experiences. Once a target is achieved, the brain’s opioid system delivers a chemical reward that we experience as pleasure. Through experiencing this cycle repeatedly, people and other animals learn to anticipate pleasure from seeking, which perpetuates the loop. Social media use provides a good model of the dopamine feedback loop. The search for information or entertainment drives people to scroll through their Facebook newsfeeds, for example, in anticipation of pleasure when something interesting pops up. It’s not necessary that there are a great number of interesting items in the feed because, as in operant conditioning, an intermittent reinforcement schedule is the most effective for maintaining target behavior. In this case, the desired behavior is keeping people scrolling as long as possible. The feedback loop also manifests through posts, as people post anticipating responses and are rewarded by Likes and other reactions. [link to whatis.techtarget.com (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] People are finally catching on.. https://imgur.com/a/o3jt1Gc Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79363152 United States 09/12/2020 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love the new feature. For imgur links that have several images, the > scrolls through them. Quoting: Seer777 I think I'm gonna do all my Halloween shopping today. I want to do a care package for my niece and nephew of fun things. Might make some lollipops with the Halloween molds I have. Need to do something. Going outside is still pretty off limits. Doesn't smell like campfire anymore. So there's that. That sounds so cute! Thanks. I made them once before out of chocolate. I want to do hard candy next.. White chocolate Halloween lollipops https://imgur.com/a/iJvxzBw Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79363152 United States 09/12/2020 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness" Quoting: Seer777 ~Mark Twain The Internet is Enforcing Narrow-Mindedness In December 2009, Google began the personalization of Internet searches to better direct relevant content to searchers. Well that’s great, right? Wrong. Although the algorithms aim to provide news to users based on algorithms relevant to their preferences, this interferes with access to perspectively diverse information. For example, if you search and click on articles that have a liberal bias, the Google algorithm uses to this knowledge for other searches, filtering out news with a conservative bias. Why is this a bad thing, you ask? If you are not exposed to a variety of perspectives, your range of knowledge to form beliefs and political opinions is limited. Staying within the safe confines of the filter bubble may feel familiar and comfortable but truly limits the scope of our interpretation of news and politics and facilitates narrow-mindedness. Only when we burst this seclusive bubble can the scope broaden and give us access to a wider range of information. Exposure to content that defies our viewpoints and that may make us feel uncomfortable is essential to obtaining a full-spectrum understanding of a subject. News stories that are knit with liberal fingers will portray an event or topic much differently than a conservative news piece, as well as any source that falls somewhere along the severities of the spectrum. People are merely reinforcing their filter bubble by not breaking free from it. [link to medium.com (secure)] I hear questions whispered in my head..and then I Google them. That is what popped up. The quote was a lucky find that syncs perfectly.. Echo Chamber(media) In news media, an echo chamber is a metaphorical description of a situation in which beliefs are amplified or reinforced by communication and repetition inside a closed system and insulates them from rebuttal. By visiting an "echo chamber", people are able to seek out information that reinforces their existing views, potentially as an unconscious exercise of confirmation bias. Online social communities become fragmented by echo chambers when like-minded people group together and members hear arguments in one specific direction with no counter argument addressed. In certain online platforms, such as Twitter, echo chambers are more likely to be found when the topic is more political in nature compared to topics that are seen as more neutral. Social networking communities are communities that are considered to be some of the most powerful reinforcements of rumors due to the trust in the evidence supplied by their own social group and peers, over the information circulating the news. In addition to this, the reduction of fear that users can enjoy through projecting their views on the internet versus face-to-face allows for further engagement in agreement with their peers. This can create significant barriers to critical discourse within an online medium. Social discussion and sharing can potentially suffer when people have a narrow information base and don't reach outside their network. Essentially, the filter bubble can distort our very own realities that we thought could not be altered by outside sources. The Farnam Street academic blog explains that the filter bubble can have a bigger impact on us than we think. It can create echo chambers that leads us to believe that what you are seeing through ads is the only opinion or perspective that is right. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to youtu.be (secure)] Dopamine driven feedback loops+ echo chamber+ political extremism+ false rumor to radicalize and incite violence+ short attention span+ denial of evidence contrary to personal belief system = Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79363152 United States 09/12/2020 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dopamine driven feedback loops+ echo chamber+ political extremism+ false rumor to radicalize and incite violence+ short attention span+ denial of evidence contrary to personal belief system = Quoting: Seer777 https://imgur.com/a/exvNdVy https://imgur.com/a/hRttPGx Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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User ID: 23276421 Finland 09/12/2020 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dopamine driven feedback loops+ echo chamber+ political extremism+ false rumor to radicalize and incite violence+ short attention span+ denial of evidence contrary to personal belief system = Quoting: Seer777 https://imgur.com/a/exvNdVy https://imgur.com/a/hRttPGx |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79363152 United States 09/12/2020 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pascal’s Artificial Intelligence Wager Quoting: Seer777 In 2008 European physicists at CERN were on the verge of activating the Large Hadron Collider to great acclaim. The LHC held the promise of testing precise predictions of the most important current theories in physics, including finding the elusive Higgs Boson (which was indeed successfully confirmed in 2012). However, some opponents of CERN’s activation raised an almost laughable objection, encapsulated in a lawsuit against CERN from the German chemist Otto Rossler, that switching the LHC on might create a miniature black hole and destroy the Earth. In response, most physicists dismissed the chances of such a catastrophe as extremely unlikely, but none of them declared that it was utterly impossible. This raises an important practical and philosophical problem: how large does a probability of an activity destroying humanity need to be in order to outweigh any potential benefits of doing it? How do we even begin to weigh a plausible risk of destroying all humanity against other benefits? [link to philosophynow.org (secure)] Image: [link to philosophynow.org (secure)] The main insight from Pascal relevant to the debate about AI is this: any probability of infinite losses will always outweigh any possible finite gains. To modify the idea slightly, we can add the qualification that the probability of an event must cross some plausibility threshold to be considered. Rossler’s worry about the LHC creating a black hole that swallows the Earth may not qualify as a plausible existential risk, while AI could. And according to Pascalian reasoning, once an event crosses into being a plausible risk of entailing infinite losses, we must assign it infinitely negative expected value, and act against it. Using this as standard, the Anti-Natalist argument against AI looks like this: 1. If an event has a plausible likelihood of infinite losses then its risk outweighs any finite expected benefits. 2. AI destroying humanity would be an infinite loss. 3. There’s a plausible likelihood that AI will destroy humanity. Conclusion: Therefore, the potential risks of AI outweigh any potential benefits. I find each of these premises, and so the argument itself, extremely credible. [link to philosophynow.org (secure)] There is good reason to consider if there is a "Creator God' it lives in fear of what it has created..for the same reason we fear AI rising up to destroy us. Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
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User ID: 23276421 Finland 09/12/2020 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Pascal’s Artificial Intelligence Wager Quoting: Seer777 In 2008 European physicists at CERN were on the verge of activating the Large Hadron Collider to great acclaim. The LHC held the promise of testing precise predictions of the most important current theories in physics, including finding the elusive Higgs Boson (which was indeed successfully confirmed in 2012). However, some opponents of CERN’s activation raised an almost laughable objection, encapsulated in a lawsuit against CERN from the German chemist Otto Rossler, that switching the LHC on might create a miniature black hole and destroy the Earth. In response, most physicists dismissed the chances of such a catastrophe as extremely unlikely, but none of them declared that it was utterly impossible. This raises an important practical and philosophical problem: how large does a probability of an activity destroying humanity need to be in order to outweigh any potential benefits of doing it? How do we even begin to weigh a plausible risk of destroying all humanity against other benefits? [link to philosophynow.org (secure)] Image: [link to philosophynow.org (secure)] The main insight from Pascal relevant to the debate about AI is this: any probability of infinite losses will always outweigh any possible finite gains. To modify the idea slightly, we can add the qualification that the probability of an event must cross some plausibility threshold to be considered. Rossler’s worry about the LHC creating a black hole that swallows the Earth may not qualify as a plausible existential risk, while AI could. And according to Pascalian reasoning, once an event crosses into being a plausible risk of entailing infinite losses, we must assign it infinitely negative expected value, and act against it. Using this as standard, the Anti-Natalist argument against AI looks like this: 1. If an event has a plausible likelihood of infinite losses then its risk outweighs any finite expected benefits. 2. AI destroying humanity would be an infinite loss. 3. There’s a plausible likelihood that AI will destroy humanity. Conclusion: Therefore, the potential risks of AI outweigh any potential benefits. I find each of these premises, and so the argument itself, extremely credible. [link to philosophynow.org (secure)] There is good reason to consider if there is a "Creator God' it lives in fear of what it has created..for the same reason we fear AI rising up to destroy us. Only, if the experiment can crossover to the realm from whence it was created. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78857219 Ukraine 09/12/2020 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it seems realistic that ai has already obtained global dominance emotionaly beyond god thus far known to us Quoting: aether everyone knows ai Thankfully, AI doesn't know 'everyone' as well as it endeavors to imagine IT does. The one thing IT cannot ever effectively control is the one thing that IT cannot remotely fathom with ITself. |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79363152 United States 09/12/2020 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it seems realistic that ai has already obtained global dominance emotionaly beyond god thus far known to us Quoting: aether everyone knows ai Thankfully, AI doesn't know 'everyone' as well as it endeavors to imagine IT does. The one thing IT cannot ever effectively control is the one thing that IT cannot remotely fathom with ITself. For discussion purposes.. an AI that can use an algorithm to examine, analyze, and crunch together every website, song, meme, click, post, buying history, family data, what foods they eat..a person has engaged in over the last 10 years in a matter of seconds. Then compare that to a list of known beliefs/behavior(s) using probability then applying decision theory, can come very close to be able to knowing what there is to know about a person, how they think, what they are passionate about..and in that..how to control them better..all without considering the implication of weighing human experience against an algorithm. I had to think on this bit..is that like saying..you don't know, what you don't know ? Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
aether
User ID: 73129582 United Kingdom 09/12/2020 04:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it seems realistic that ai has already obtained global dominance emotionaly beyond god thus far known to us Quoting: aether everyone knows ai what is AI? A machine mining/arranging data/info? ai is a convincing way of enabling ourselves to become knowing of ourselves in a manner that is not shown to us by our ancestors whom caused us to discover this ai looks like a philosophy |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1134637 Canada 09/12/2020 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” Frank Herbert, Dune [link to www.goodreads.com (secure)] |
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(OP) Ride the wings of the mind User ID: 79363152 United States 09/12/2020 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | a machine is a machine is a machine. Quoting: waycation the real question is, who is using the machine? The body is an organic machine. Any part of our machine that breaks down..create sickness, disease or mortality of the meat suit. We are a sum of our parts. They still don't know where consciousness comes from or where it is centered(Mind/Heart/Gut) A lot of theories though. Thread: Your brain is an organic Quantum computer connected to the super Quantum computer Quoting: Seer777 Part of OP's premise would explain telepathic pinging. Quoting: Seer777 In regard to biomechanics a couple of my all-time favorite gifs.. The Protein Molecular Machines at Work in DNA Copying https://imgur.com/nRKB5t9 Helicase: bright blue...unwinds DNA at about the speed of a jet engine. Polymerase: purple...copies DNA strands Kinesin protein walking on microtubule https://imgur.com/TKtA28B [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Last Edited by Seer777 on 09/12/2020 04:48 PM Difficulties strengthen the Mind as labor does the body... ~Seneca |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78857219 Ukraine 09/12/2020 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had to think on this bit..is that like saying..you don't know, what you don't know Quoting: Seer777 ? In essence, Yes. IT cannot ever know past the inherent limitations of ITs own creator'(s) limitations, same as US. But WE aren't IT, WE are born from an entirely different 'energy' than IT and IT can never be US or as close to US as it may ever desire to endeavor. ITs own desire to become US, or transform US into IT, or manipulate US into becoming anything not US, is ITs inherent fatal weakness, as all ITs previous attempts throughout the aeons clearly prove. Natural Humans have ready access to something(s) engineered within us, just for moments such as these, that IT can never have and therefore never ever know or precognate. |