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Birth Certificate Estate-Two Birthdates Exposed!!!

 
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Many patriots don't realize the word trickery when it comes to birth certificate estate. There are two birthdates people don't realize. The certificate of live birth gives the actual live birthdate. The birth certificate gives an approximate birthdate of the child trust being formed.

According to 1 USC 8, a child is the collection (every) infant member of the homo species is the placenta, umbilical cord, and baby. Your mother has been misclassified as a shapeshifting Extra-Terrestrial (ET). Human are ET that shapeshifted. They have the characteristics of man but not man.

The delivery is the transfer of the placenta, umbilical cord, and baby into trust or title of the trust. The hospital kept the placenta and the umbilical cord to form a trust.

Certificate of live birth certified the doctor received the live items. The hospital has a shipping address. Shipping address is location for ship delivery and not for land delivery. Plot number is for land delivery. The certificate of live birth is just a form to testify the delivery. The actual live birth time is stated on the certificate of live birth.

This is a receipt about the child trust that done behind the scene a few days latter. The birth certificate give hints what happened behind the scene. The birth certificate tells the birth happens within the corporation. For example, City of Chicago denotes Chicago Corporation owns the city. “Of” denotes belong to or ownership by the word afterward. The birth of the child trust happens within the corporation that owns the city. (ex. In Chicago).

The Birth Certificate state the birth of the child(trust) occurred after the live birth date.

Attorneys are “at” law and not “in” law. They are not within the bounds of the law. They are near but outside of the law. “At” when dealing with time can be “before” or “after” the time.

The word “on” denotes near contact or connection position. When dealing with time it denotes "near afterward." Since it is not before, "at" cannot be used. Since it is connected with the time of live birth, the "on" can be a few days aftewards. You can be on the roof of the home. In actuality, you cannot be “in” the roof of your home. If you are “in” the roof of your home and your roof is made of asphalt, you are between the ends of asphalt.

People will catch the fraud if the word “after” is used on the birth certificate. So the word “on” is used to con the people.

The birth certificate didn’t state that the child was born “in” the date. That means the child trust was not in the range of 12 AM to 12 AM on the date of the live birth but within a few days afterward.

The formation and transfer of the child trust occurred within a few days after you came out of your mother’s womb.

The child is the parent of________________ is telling who is the title holder of the child trust.

The parents are the title holder of the child trust. They can terminate it before the son or daughter turn 18. If they don't collapse it, the son or daughter can terminate it and recieve all the items within the trust after 18 or 21. The son or daughter is the rightful heir of the child trust.

A minor cannot purchase stock. An adult can purchase stock for the minor under a child trust. The adult can terminate the trust anytime until the child turns 18. After 18, the son or daughter is the only one allow to terminate the trust.

I believe attorneys did the paperwork with few days after the live birth behind the scene without your knowledge. It was a gift to your parents and you.

It turns into an enemy because your parents or you didn't claim it. The trust was abandon in the corporation that owns the city, town, or county.

Latter, it was turned into the state's lost and found and the state became administer of the trust or estate. The state adopted this trust because it has been abandon. The trust became an estate when no one claim it for 5 or 7 years.


“(1) "Child" includes child by adoption.”
- Colorado Revised Statutes 2-4-401 (2015)

I believe attorneys uses this estate to throw commercial liens. The court action is based on the commercial liens on this estate. I explain in my earlier posting about the corporation person (government) must answer to these charges on the child estate. People are brainwashed into claiming to be the corporate government (person) by work trickery.
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Please elaborate..
How can we change this?
How can make out claim before the 5-7 years are up??
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Please elaborate..
How can we change this?
How can make out claim before the 5-7 years are up??
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it was an old thread that I bumped becasue it is so interesting so I doubt the OP will come back around.

I think you could claim your property (kids) fairy easy with an affidavit or declairation and record that at the county but this subject is a very complicated one to navigate. mainly, due to its nature and the implications of it all, there is lots of misinformation and disinformation.


the authentication process seems to be a good staring point for correcting ones status.
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Please elaborate..
How can we change this?
How can make out claim before the 5-7 years are up??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71285741


it was an old thread that I bumped becasue it is so interesting so I doubt the OP will come back around.

I think you could claim your property (kids) fairy easy with an affidavit or declairation and record that at the county but this subject is a very complicated one to navigate. mainly, due to its nature and the implications of it all, there is lots of misinformation and disinformation.


the authentication process seems to be a good staring point for correcting ones status.
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it would have to be done before the child was 7 years old, after that, all titles are siezed under maritime salvage laws. to try and do it later is nearly impossible.

one would face the same issues legally as those who went on the crusades and returned more than 7 years later to get their estates back. most estates where placed in trust to the Roman Catholic Church or the Crown and when the rightful heirs did return, most never regained their properties.

same goes today, also, the mother and father would have to deal with the fact the paperwork shows the "mother"/"witness" testimony that she used her "madien name" meaning she and the father where not married when the child was born. that testimony means the child was a baststard and all bastard children are wards of the state.

after 7 years, it probably won't happen.
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it would have to be done before the child was 7 years old, after that, all titles are siezed under maritime salvage laws. to try and do it later is nearly impossible.

one would face the same issues legally as those who went on the crusades and returned more than 7 years later to get their estates back. most estates where placed in trust to the Roman Catholic Church or the Crown and when the rightful heirs did return, most never regained their properties.

same goes today, also, the mother and father would have to deal with the fact the paperwork shows the "mother"/"witness" testimony that she used her "madien name" meaning she and the father where not married when the child was born. that testimony means the child was a baststard and all bastard children are wards of the state.

after 7 years, it probably won't happen.
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they were asking how to do it before 7 years though.

I was reading the black card thread and found a link there to a .pdf someone made about there dealings with correcting the information on their childrens BC so that their names were no in all capital letters on the certificate. what happened there was very interesting!

basically, vital stats admitted there was a mistake and said to send it back in and they would send out the corrections but what they got back was not a BC, it was a COLB. so they went back to get a new BC after that and the record was sealed!


batman and boris point out that we never signed these BCs, our own signatures are not on them so we are making false claims by using them!

I think this is why people are having them authenticated and then either signing them or turning them over to an agent of the US.

KW says that the BC is an agency and that we are appointed by the US to be agents and that when we first use the BC as identification (which it actually says not to be used as) at that time we ratify the appointment. so now we can resign the agency or novate the contract.


it really is the topic of all topics. I dont know why more people are not looking into this stuff.
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it would have to be done before the child was 7 years old, after that, all titles are siezed under maritime salvage laws. to try and do it later is nearly impossible.

one would face the same issues legally as those who went on the crusades and returned more than 7 years later to get their estates back. most estates where placed in trust to the Roman Catholic Church or the Crown and when the rightful heirs did return, most never regained their properties.

same goes today, also, the mother and father would have to deal with the fact the paperwork shows the "mother"/"witness" testimony that she used her "madien name" meaning she and the father where not married when the child was born. that testimony means the child was a baststard and all bastard children are wards of the state.

after 7 years, it probably won't happen.
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they were asking how to do it before 7 years though.

I was reading the black card thread and found a link there to a .pdf someone made about there dealings with correcting the information on their childrens BC so that their names were no in all capital letters on the certificate. what happened there was very interesting!

basically, vital stats admitted there was a mistake and said to send it back in and they would send out the corrections but what they got back was not a BC, it was a COLB. so they went back to get a new BC after that and the record was sealed!


batman and boris point out that we never signed these BCs, our own signatures are not on them so we are making false claims by using them!

I think this is why people are having them authenticated and then either signing them or turning them over to an agent of the US.

KW says that the BC is an agency and that we are appointed by the US to be agents and that when we first use the BC as identification (which it actually says not to be used as) at that time we ratify the appointment. so now we can resign the agency or novate the contract.


it really is the topic of all topics. I dont know why more people are not looking into this stuff.
 Quoting: fellow man 29203778


the BC (footprinted) goes to the State Registrars office and gets booked. Anyone looking for one should start there.

however, as pointed out, the real CONTRACT at issue here is between the hospital and the Mother/Father. Their use of a midwife is no different.

Lies were told by Mom and Dad, non restricted signatures on hospital "admission" papers are a huge issue, as is the use of a domestic address and the mom and dad using their legal names and State issued ID to get benefits from the Hospital.

Then of course their is the matter of not paying the Hosptial for services rendered at the birth, which all goes back to FIAT currency (Federal Reserve Notes).

The entire thing is a cluster of ignorant choices made by incompetent, ignorant persons who have fallen under the spells of "authorities" who actually have no authority.
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it would have to be done before the child was 7 years old, after that, all titles are siezed under maritime salvage laws. to try and do it later is nearly impossible.

one would face the same issues legally as those who went on the crusades and returned more than 7 years later to get their estates back. most estates where placed in trust to the Roman Catholic Church or the Crown and when the rightful heirs did return, most never regained their properties.

same goes today, also, the mother and father would have to deal with the fact the paperwork shows the "mother"/"witness" testimony that she used her "madien name" meaning she and the father where not married when the child was born. that testimony means the child was a baststard and all bastard children are wards of the state.

after 7 years, it probably won't happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71917929


they were asking how to do it before 7 years though.

I was reading the black card thread and found a link there to a .pdf someone made about there dealings with correcting the information on their childrens BC so that their names were no in all capital letters on the certificate. what happened there was very interesting!

basically, vital stats admitted there was a mistake and said to send it back in and they would send out the corrections but what they got back was not a BC, it was a COLB. so they went back to get a new BC after that and the record was sealed!


batman and boris point out that we never signed these BCs, our own signatures are not on them so we are making false claims by using them!

I think this is why people are having them authenticated and then either signing them or turning them over to an agent of the US.

KW says that the BC is an agency and that we are appointed by the US to be agents and that when we first use the BC as identification (which it actually says not to be used as) at that time we ratify the appointment. so now we can resign the agency or novate the contract.


it really is the topic of all topics. I dont know why more people are not looking into this stuff.
 Quoting: fellow man 29203778


the BC (footprinted) goes to the State Registrars office and gets booked. Anyone looking for one should start there.

however, as pointed out, the real CONTRACT at issue here is between the hospital and the Mother/Father. Their use of a midwife is no different.

Lies were told by Mom and Dad, non restricted signatures on hospital "admission" papers are a huge issue, as is the use of a domestic address and the mom and dad using their legal names and State issued ID to get benefits from the Hospital.

Then of course their is the matter of not paying the Hosptial for services rendered at the birth, which all goes back to FIAT currency (Federal Reserve Notes).

The entire thing is a cluster of ignorant choices made by incompetent, ignorant persons who have fallen under the spells of "authorities" who actually have no authority.
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Check your mother's name - is it her maiden name when listed under 'mother's name' and married name when listed under 'informant'? why do you think this is? Also - paying the import fee/tax seems to be a good thing to do if you can find out how.....
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The entire thing is a cluster of ignorant choices made by incompetent, ignorant persons who have fallen under the spells of "authorities" who actually have no authority.
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for I concur!

however, its hard to blame the ignorant (such as myself) because these spells are thousands of years old!

so those of us who have broken them still must deal with those under them. which is like 99% of the people.

it is truly like NOE in the matrix and all the people randomly turning into agents! hell, even I still catch myself acting as agent sometimes due to habit.

my name is not NEO yet but Im working on it. where are the others?
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The entire thing is a cluster of ignorant choices made by incompetent, ignorant persons who have fallen under the spells of "authorities" who actually have no authority.
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for I concur!

however, its hard to blame the ignorant (such as myself) because these spells are thousands of years old!

so those of us who have broken them still must deal with those under them. which is like 99% of the people.

it is truly like NOE in the matrix and all the people randomly turning into agents! hell, even I still catch myself acting as agent sometimes due to habit.

my name is not NEO yet but Im working on it. where are the others?
 Quoting: fellow man 29203778


a few of us from the black card thread are still working on it. we have settled into our study groups and communicate more personally than on the thread. There are things in the works and once we see fruits and are comfortable with our new standing/status, we here are sure that we will be teaching the good works....
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a few years ago, a group of mormons (in) texas were raided and their children taken by the State.

it made national news, just a few days later, it was found out the children had no birth certificates as no state hospital nor state midwives were used by the group. The Child Protective agents tried to get the state to issue birth cerficates immediatly, but the parents refused to give the State any infomation, within a few days, all the children were returned to the group and all charges dropped.

The State and the court refused to do anything with those kids because the state had ZERO jurisdiction to do so.

I personally know a /Jewish/ woman, born in Israel, who has her Original BC (feetprints and everything) in Israel the Hospitol gets a certified copy and Dad and Mom keep the original.

The woman has since become married to a US Citizen and lives here. Interestingly, about every 9 months to a year she gets a letter or call from "the US State Department or Homeland security "demanding" she surrender her BC. She refuses to give it up, of course.

The BC for the US are most likely stored at 33 Water Street in undergound (under seal level) vaults, which were damaged in a hurricane not too many years back, which also made national headlines. It is only speculation on my part the BCs are stored there, I have no proof thst is a fact.

i have been told the Bond numbers on the BC records are not registered for trade until 7 years after the State Registrar officially gets the BC and it is abandoned at the Registrars office by the Dad and Mom.

I have also been told the "birth announcement in local papers or Hospitol public notices is the States way of noticeto the parents the TITLE (the BC) to their Child was abandoned at the Hospital and to come claim it, when that does not happen, the Record is placed into the hands of the State.

i have no proof of that either, but it makes legal sense.
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a few of us from the black card thread are still working on it. we have settled into our study groups and communicate more personally than on the thread. There are things in the works and once we see fruits and are comfortable with our new standing/status, we here are sure that we will be teaching the good works....
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just read that thread again yesterday in entirety. and I was on the original one too from the start and present when it got gone.

I didnt want to bump it and get banned or the thread deleted again so thats why I searched and found this one, and bumped it.

after authentication, whats the next step people are taking? many agree on authenticating but after that they take different directions.

I agree with WWCD about staying out of commercial venues.

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The entire thing is a cluster of ignorant choices made by incompetent, ignorant persons who have fallen under the spells of "authorities" who actually have no authority.
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for I concur!

however, its hard to blame the ignorant (such as myself) because these spells are thousands of years old!

so those of us who have broken them still must deal with those under them. which is like 99% of the people.

it is truly like NOE in the matrix and all the people randomly turning into agents! hell, even I still catch myself acting as agent sometimes due to habit.

my name is not NEO yet but Im working on it. where are the others?
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ignorance is not a bad word nor a slight. ignorance of the law is also not a viable defense.

Simply put, the Name on the BC is NOT and cannot be "yours". You did not create it and your Mom and Dad abanonded it. Again, research how estates were lost by their rightful heirs during the crusades and you will see how the law works against the dead (or those presumed lost at sea).

You MUST be born again, meaning you have to put away everything that has to do with that COLB/BC, if you do not, you will be in BIG trouble.

Watch Pirates of the Caribbean. Jack Sparrow was ALWAYS a pirate trying to get back what was "his" ship, manned by the dead. He eventually did, but was forever lost at sea.

We, on the ofher hand, are attempting to get back onto the LAND, to do so means you have to abandon those SHIPS.

How can you be "born again" if you are so swept up in trying to cling to the "brith records" of a dead coporation listed on a birth certificate?

I AM, there is proof of life, self evident, not one paper needed. My foot prints are on my feet right now. Unless someone can produce an actual BC to match what my feet are right now, their power, authority or jurisdiction is NOT PROVEN and I will never agree that Document even exists.

Does anyone know what that means to their entire power structure? it DESTROYS IT, there is no nexxus, no meeting of the minds, no jurisdiction presumed, assumed, real or imagined.

I AM that I am.
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a few of us from the black card thread are still working on it. we have settled into our study groups and communicate more personally than on the thread. There are things in the works and once we see fruits and are comfortable with our new standing/status, we here are sure that we will be teaching the good works....
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just read that thread again yesterday in entirety. and I was on the original one too from the start and present when it got gone.

I didnt want to bump it and get banned or the thread deleted again so thats why I searched and found this one, and bumped it.

after authentication, whats the next step people are taking? many agree on authenticating but after that they take different directions.

I agree with WWCD about staying out of commercial venues.

thanks
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yes, and between myself, WWCD, forgiven and a few others, we have studied just about every direction. We here are actually listening to a Kurt Kallenbach call right now. Not that his route is being promoted, but he does drop some good info. Forgiven and myself are studying in a completely private group, although we are seriously looking into the probate route. There are lots of things going on in the world currently that are so important to this journey if you have eyes to see. Also - the Bible is your most important study tool - Emmanuel - Immanuel - I'm manual - especially Genesis and Matthew. We here are hoping to drop some info in the Fed Black card thread when we have some confirmations, which will hopefully be soon. 4007 statements are very important! also - you really need to live, eat and breathe this study - it is a complete life transition

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ac469, I agree that it is not mine or "me" nor is that name. this is batman stuff lol but makes so much sense.


DizzieMissLizzie, Kurt is brilliant! I havnt got hooked up on the new calls yet but fully agree with his waiver and will be recording that.

it was his info that I was posting when the original thread got deleted! its definitely some touchy stuff.

yes, KW's will and testament seems very good too but i havnt beem able to make the connection to what he is trying to get across with all that.


I dont see much stuff about the court in philly around. I think that might be an important port myself but havnt figured out exactly the hows and whys yet.

glad you guys chimed in here!
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ac469, I agree that it is not mine or "me" nor is that name. this is batman stuff lol but makes so much sense.


DizzieMissLizzie, Kurt is brilliant! I havnt got hooked up on the new calls yet but fully agree with his waiver and will be recording that.

it was his info that I was posting when the original thread got deleted! its definitely some touchy stuff.

yes, KW's will and testament seems very good too but i havnt beem able to make the connection to what he is trying to get across with all that.


I dont see much stuff about the court in philly around. I think that might be an important port myself but havnt figured out exactly the hows and whys yet.

glad you guys chimed in here!
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ahhhh - you mentioned philly! your eyes are open, i see. there is someone who is a circuit judge for the United States Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit. I have debated sending some paperwork to this person, but have been procrastinating a bit on it. if you look at the list of judges, i am sure you will be able to pick out the judges name fairly easy. and yes, i believe the waiver is powerful. i may be filing it myself soon. i would really love to file it in my birth county, but i am 1800 miles away. my county will not record anything i have tried to record, but i may go up to the main office and accept some oaths to get the waiver recorded.

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Are you talking about those black filed birth certificates? My mom had, mine it burn up, the others were destroyed in a state fire. A lot of our family were born at home, and no state nurse or doctor.

One of my sisters never had a name on the record, some her have girl instead of boy on records and the boy instead of girl, very confusing because they are totally fake, it really could not be their records. How could it be with so many mistakes. Birth Certificates are kind of relatively new in history of the US. Mom and Dad never had on, was not recorded period.
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as of yet, I have not filed anything ever. been studying a long time now and dont want to do anything without being sure about it but it seems time is getting short so I may have to take some risks soon.

about accepting oaths, some say verbally will work but I think getting a certified copy and marking it accepted with two attenuators thumbprints along with yours would be even better.

after that "File on Demand" should be possible.

I like the idea of collecting the oaths of all officials in our locals and doing this.

captain jade amd jaguar had some really good info on officials oaths. those two seemed to have disappeared. thay were mostly into commercial processes but had lots of insights on the private side stuff too.

I saved all thos vids that disappeared from ytube from them.
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as of yet, I have not filed anything ever. been studying a long time now and dont want to do anything without being sure about it but it seems time is getting short so I may have to take some risks soon.

about accepting oaths, some say verbally will work but I think getting a certified copy and marking it accepted with two attenuators thumbprints along with yours would be even better.

after that "File on Demand" should be possible.

I like the idea of collecting the oaths of all officials in our locals and doing this.

captain jade amd jaguar had some really good info on officials oaths. those two seemed to have disappeared. thay were mostly into commercial processes but had lots of insights on the private side stuff too.

I saved all thos vids that disappeared from ytube from them.
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i was going to direct you to Timothy James talkshoe calls, but he recently took them all down and is converting them into smaller segments on a youtube channel. he really had great information. Also Robb Ryder has some great vids on youtube, though he seems just as lost as when he started. but the info is good - very eye opening, the thing is, there is so much info to take in and so many routes to choose from. if you stay out of the commerce, SPC routes, you should be ok. so even though some are not at the finish line, you can still glean some pertinent info from their calls or videos. there are many, many yahoo groups which discuss this as well. sometimes i think my head is going to explode, but it has been a great journey. I have about 4-5 notebooks filled with notes - but i will say, study trusts, estates and equity. if you break through, you will want things set up correctly. if you want, i can pm you another way to contact me. and watch this thread go p00f in 3-2-1, lol
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Timothy James is not a familiar name to me but robryder is yes. his claim the name before they do was where many others formulated processes they now charge for.

I think rob is very close. kurt is great but limited access to his stuff lately and hes even mentioned about charging for it which is really out of character from him. he always railed against it in the past.

thanks for the pm offer but I stay on the AC side here and not comfortable with displaying email here.

if you pop up an email post I can get that and you could delete it?

is there a forum where others meet about this?
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Timothy James is not a familiar name to me but robryder is yes. his claim the name before they do was where many others formulated processes they now charge for.

I think rob is very close. kurt is great but limited access to his stuff lately and hes even mentioned about charging for it which is really out of character from him. he always railed against it in the past.

thanks for the pm offer but I stay on the AC side here and not comfortable with displaying email here.

if you pop up an email post I can get that and you could delete it?

is there a forum where others meet about this?
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yes of course - i thought maybe i could email you here and you would be able to read it even if you could not respond. I know of no forums except for the yahoo groups and some skype chat groups. the yahoo groups that stick in my head are - RedemptionByMethod, Administrating-Your-Public-Servants, and Reclaim Your Securities. We will touch base somehow.....
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yes of course - i thought maybe i could email you here and you would be able to read it even if you could not respond. I know of no forums except for the yahoo groups and some skype chat groups. the yahoo groups that stick in my head are - RedemptionByMethod, Administrating-Your-Public-Servants, and Reclaim Your Securities. We will touch base somehow.....
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ive read some posts that indicated that ACs have email or PM oneway here but I keep javascripting turned off so thats probably why I cant see that (i guess)


yeahoo groups are such a pain that I dont bother with them either.

Ive heard of the first one you mention but not the others.

looking on youtube for timothy james.. there is a lot of them lol


thanks
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Are you talking about those black filed birth certificates? My mom had, mine it burn up, the others were destroyed in a state fire. A lot of our family were born at home, and no state nurse or doctor.

One of my sisters never had a name on the record, some her have girl instead of boy on records and the boy instead of girl, very confusing because they are totally fake, it really could not be their records. How could it be with so many mistakes. Birth Certificates are kind of relatively new in history of the US. Mom and Dad never had on, was not recorded period.
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not sure which post you are addressing but those "black filled" ones are copys of a microficshe from what Ive been told.

the only one like that Ive seen is my grandfathers. his is called a "Delayed certificate of Birth" because he didnt get one until way later when they said he had to have one for something or another.

when my dad went to get a passport, they would not accept his original BC (with original ink footprint AND raised gold seal!) he had to get another one from vital statistics which is also labeled Certificate of Birth so he has two different ones. the original on parchment paper and the vital stat one on bond paper.

I only have a COLB but plan to try to get a BC soon just to see what info it has on it compared to my COLB
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yes of course - i thought maybe i could email you here and you would be able to read it even if you could not respond. I know of no forums except for the yahoo groups and some skype chat groups. the yahoo groups that stick in my head are - RedemptionByMethod, Administrating-Your-Public-Servants, and Reclaim Your Securities. We will touch base somehow.....
 Quoting: DizzieMissLizzie


ive read some posts that indicated that ACs have email or PM oneway here but I keep javascripting turned off so thats probably why I cant see that (i guess)


yeahoo groups are such a pain that I dont bother with them either.

Ive heard of the first one you mention but not the others.

looking on youtube for timothy james.. there is a lot of them lol


thanks
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here is TJ's youtube channel - some of these calls are older, 2008-2009 era, but his newer information ties back into the older information. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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the quest for the "original bc" is a red herring. I have already posted where is most likely is and you nor anyone has ever been able to get it.

extremely conntected families have their own doctors and I suppose those birth records NEVER are let into the system as collateral in the first place.

you will never get "them" to agree with you, they have no power or authority to free you! they have no power or authority over the living.

all your guru worship, talkshoe heros ect will never get any results because they are obsessed with getting judges, courts and government to agree with them, and it NEVER HAPPENS.

They produce no fruit because you cannot graft a living branch into a dead tree.

Winston Strout is now charged and will be in federal prison soon, as will be anyone trying to "claim the name" file UCC papers, commercial liens or somehow prove they own a name or estate governed by ANYTHING connected with official records by the Corp US.

the Fed black card is and was always a dead end, just as is anything that presumes government goons will actually magically set you free if you just come up with some secret counter spell to their zombie virus by getting a certian document or paperwork, it is false.

If you claim ANY LEGAL NAME, any date of birth, any citizenSHIP, any right, benefit or agreement with the Government or its agents, you are dead to them and subject to their rule.

Did Jesus EVER claim, require, ask for or file papers with Rome? Did He ever tell ANYONE what His "name" was? Give a date of birth? Did He claim an earthly estate? Did He argue or file papers to claim is earthly estate as King of the Jews?

Did King Harod bow to His true King?

Of course none of that is written to have happened, yet all I see from talkshoe and persons is then trying to achieve some formal State regonition they are what they are, free men ans women with creator endowed rights!

Those rights are SELF EVIDENT, as is LIFE, it needs no "legal name", no "court agreement" no UCC papers, no SEAL from "this State", no vote, no consensous and it needs no agreement from anyone else it is factual and true.

Most people cant get past the programming of dates of birth, (all dates and calendars are fake and lies). they cannot get past lies they have told all their lives (I live in X county, State, Country, I was BORN, etc) all of those are LIES.

Stop LYING to to gain earthy rewards is a good start to ending your slavery.
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the quest for the "original bc" is a red herring. I have already posted where is most likely is and you nor anyone has ever been able to get it.

extremely conntected families have their own doctors and I suppose those birth records NEVER are let into the system as collateral in the first place.

you will never get "them" to agree with you, they have no power or authority to free you! they have no power or authority over the living.

all your guru worship, talkshoe heros ect will never get any results because they are obsessed with getting judges, courts and government to agree with them, and it NEVER HAPPENS.

They produce no fruit because you cannot graft a living branch into a dead tree.

Winston Strout is now charged and will be in federal prison soon, as will be anyone trying to "claim the name" file UCC papers, commercial liens or somehow prove they own a name or estate governed by ANYTHING connected with official records by the Corp US.

the Fed black card is and was always a dead end, just as is anything that presumes government goons will actually magically set you free if you just come up with some secret counter spell to their zombie virus by getting a certian document or paperwork, it is false.

If you claim ANY LEGAL NAME, any date of birth, any citizenSHIP, any right, benefit or agreement with the Government or its agents, you are dead to them and subject to their rule.

Did Jesus EVER claim, require, ask for or file papers with Rome? Did He ever tell ANYONE what His "name" was? Give a date of birth? Did He claim an earthly estate? Did He argue or file papers to claim is earthly estate as King of the Jews?

Did King Harod bow to His true King?

Of course none of that is written to have happened, yet all I see from talkshoe and persons is then trying to achieve some formal State regonition they are what they are, free men ans women with creator endowed rights!

Those rights are SELF EVIDENT, as is LIFE, it needs no "legal name", no "court agreement" no UCC papers, no SEAL from "this State", no vote, no consensous and it needs no agreement from anyone else it is factual and true.

Most people cant get past the programming of dates of birth, (all dates and calendars are fake and lies). they cannot get past lies they have told all their lives (I live in X county, State, Country, I was BORN, etc) all of those are LIES.

Stop LYING to to gain earthy rewards is a good start to ending your slavery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71408469


my friend - i do not disagree with you. this journey is for each to find themselves and their way. Gurus should never be worshiped or idolized, but we should feed off of the knowledge they have and discern it for ourselves. I do agree this is a surrender, surrender of the old life and all attached to it and rebirth into a new joyous life, free of the chains. and i feel it is our duty to help each other. You are correct in the amount of programming that needs to be erased - many, many years of it. This is harder from some, but that doesn't make it impossible.
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the quest for the "original bc" is a red herring. I have already posted where is most likely is and you nor anyone has ever been able to get it.

extremely conntected families have their own doctors and I suppose those birth records NEVER are let into the system as collateral in the first place.

you will never get "them" to agree with you, they have no power or authority to free you! they have no power or authority over the living.

all your guru worship, talkshoe heros ect will never get any results because they are obsessed with getting judges, courts and government to agree with them, and it NEVER HAPPENS.

They produce no fruit because you cannot graft a living branch into a dead tree.

Winston Strout is now charged and will be in federal prison soon, as will be anyone trying to "claim the name" file UCC papers, commercial liens or somehow prove they own a name or estate governed by ANYTHING connected with official records by the Corp US.

the Fed black card is and was always a dead end, just as is anything that presumes government goons will actually magically set you free if you just come up with some secret counter spell to their zombie virus by getting a certian document or paperwork, it is false.

If you claim ANY LEGAL NAME, any date of birth, any citizenSHIP, any right, benefit or agreement with the Government or its agents, you are dead to them and subject to their rule.

Did Jesus EVER claim, require, ask for or file papers with Rome? Did He ever tell ANYONE what His "name" was? Give a date of birth? Did He claim an earthly estate? Did He argue or file papers to claim is earthly estate as King of the Jews?

Did King Harod bow to His true King?

Of course none of that is written to have happened, yet all I see from talkshoe and persons is then trying to achieve some formal State regonition they are what they are, free men ans women with creator endowed rights!

Those rights are SELF EVIDENT, as is LIFE, it needs no "legal name", no "court agreement" no UCC papers, no SEAL from "this State", no vote, no consensous and it needs no agreement from anyone else it is factual and true.

Most people cant get past the programming of dates of birth, (all dates and calendars are fake and lies). they cannot get past lies they have told all their lives (I live in X county, State, Country, I was BORN, etc) all of those are LIES.

Stop LYING to to gain earthy rewards is a good start to ending your slavery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71408469


my friend - i do not disagree with you. this journey is for each to find themselves and their way. Gurus should never be worshiped or idolized, but we should feed off of the knowledge they have and discern it for ourselves. I do agree this is a surrender, surrender of the old life and all attached to it and rebirth into a new joyous life, free of the chains. and i feel it is our duty to help each other. You are correct in the amount of programming that needs to be erased - many, many years of it. This is harder from some, but that doesn't make it impossible.
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how did i post it was imposible? i have done it. I do it every day. sharing information is sharing IN FORMATION, it is not the same as sharing Truth.

Did the Lawgiver say "ye shall know the information and the information shall set you free"?

Looking into endless and countless statutes is not knowing the truth.

Endless conversations and filings paperwork is not being free, it is further intanglement with the dead coporations and Father of ALL LIES.

You want to be free of Rome but still partake of her iniquities (in equity with Rome).

The entire commercial vs private thing is utter nonsense, one is IN or one is OUT, there is no equity with evil, one is redeemed or not.

What more information is needed but that?

You are born again or you are not, which is it?
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the quest for the "original bc" is a red herring. I have already posted where is most likely is and you nor anyone has ever been able to get it.

extremely conntected families have their own doctors and I suppose those birth records NEVER are let into the system as collateral in the first place.

you will never get "them" to agree with you, they have no power or authority to free you! they have no power or authority over the living.

all your guru worship, talkshoe heros ect will never get any results because they are obsessed with getting judges, courts and government to agree with them, and it NEVER HAPPENS.

They produce no fruit because you cannot graft a living branch into a dead tree.

Winston Strout is now charged and will be in federal prison soon, as will be anyone trying to "claim the name" file UCC papers, commercial liens or somehow prove they own a name or estate governed by ANYTHING connected with official records by the Corp US.

the Fed black card is and was always a dead end, just as is anything that presumes government goons will actually magically set you free if you just come up with some secret counter spell to their zombie virus by getting a certian document or paperwork, it is false.

If you claim ANY LEGAL NAME, any date of birth, any citizenSHIP, any right, benefit or agreement with the Government or its agents, you are dead to them and subject to their rule.

Did Jesus EVER claim, require, ask for or file papers with Rome? Did He ever tell ANYONE what His "name" was? Give a date of birth? Did He claim an earthly estate? Did He argue or file papers to claim is earthly estate as King of the Jews?

Did King Harod bow to His true King?

Of course none of that is written to have happened, yet all I see from talkshoe and persons is then trying to achieve some formal State regonition they are what they are, free men ans women with creator endowed rights!

Those rights are SELF EVIDENT, as is LIFE, it needs no "legal name", no "court agreement" no UCC papers, no SEAL from "this State", no vote, no consensous and it needs no agreement from anyone else it is factual and true.

Most people cant get past the programming of dates of birth, (all dates and calendars are fake and lies). they cannot get past lies they have told all their lives (I live in X county, State, Country, I was BORN, etc) all of those are LIES.

Stop LYING to to gain earthy rewards is a good start to ending your slavery.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71408469


my friend - i do not disagree with you. this journey is for each to find themselves and their way. Gurus should never be worshiped or idolized, but we should feed off of the knowledge they have and discern it for ourselves. I do agree this is a surrender, surrender of the old life and all attached to it and rebirth into a new joyous life, free of the chains. and i feel it is our duty to help each other. You are correct in the amount of programming that needs to be erased - many, many years of it. This is harder from some, but that doesn't make it impossible.
 Quoting: DizzieMissLizzie


how did i post it was imposible? i have done it. I do it every day. sharing information is sharing IN FORMATION, it is not the same as sharing Truth.

Did the Lawgiver say "ye shall know the information and the information shall set you free"?

Looking into endless and countless statutes is not knowing the truth.

Endless conversations and filings paperwork is not being free, it is further intanglement with the dead coporations and Father of ALL LIES.

You want to be free of Rome but still partake of her iniquities (in equity with Rome).

The entire commercial vs private thing is utter nonsense, one is IN or one is OUT, there is no equity with evil, one is redeemed or not.

What more information is needed but that?

You are born again or you are not, which is it?
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those are my words not yours, and i never claimed they were your words. and AGAIN, i am not disagreeing with you. people are awakening - and this awakening is coming from knowledge shared. whether you believe this to be good or bad, it is the truth. this journey is a journey of self and how we all get from point a to point b is going to differ as we are all different, body, mind and spirit. we here appreciate the truths you have shared
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the quest for the "original bc" is a red herring.
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do you have proof of your claim? and what do you mean by "born again"?
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here is TJ's youtube channel - some of these calls are older, 2008-2009 era, but his newer information ties back into the older information. [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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thanks DizzieMissLizzie, Im hearing familiar voices on this guys audios and finding some cold trail info too.
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