Birth Certificate Estate-Two Birthdates Exposed!!!

ok, i hope i don't get banned, but i would love to see this discussion continue combining colb, bc, and lawful money...they are interrelated with much to learn from input...

I am sorry to tell you this william, but you are dead wrong on that and I am living proof and so are hundreds of people who are doing it and have done it for decades in some cases.

Never has ONE of us demanding lawful money redemption been brought to court, charged, had accounts seized or wages garnished for not paying or even filing income taxes (state or federal), NOT ONE.

There have been a few get letters or even demands from ignorant IRS agents but when confronted with the facts, the threats simply stop.

Why people disappear from forums is not because we are "in prison" it is because we get on with our lives as free men and women and no longer seek remedies for what has been remedied already. We no longer suffer under the yoke of voluntary servitude to the debt system and all the ills of Central banks lies and propaganda.

After a few months or years of trying to tell friends and family who are suffering under the yoke of debt bondage, being called "sovereigns" "anti-government" "tax cheats" "crazy" and every other thing, we simply stop trying to help others because it is, frankly, exhausting and for the most part, useless.

Like the "$" lifted up on a staff for Israel to heal the bites from the fiery serpents, to LOOK and LIVE, we simply look, are healed and leave the dead to bury the dead, we have lives, families, homes and redeemed estates to govern, there is nothing more to it.

start a new one or search for the sevral others that have lawful money in the title.

and that whole subject is a minefield of confusion, what else could you expect from it? lol kinda why many of us hate it when it gets drug into other somewhat related topics that are not specific to lawful money. maybe its just redtextguys tact though but still..



actually, i could probably count them on both hands if not one. now dig around there and see how many no longer post or the unanswered question topics from folks when the IR S turns up the heat.

do what you wish, your angle on that subject is different. actually redtextguy doesnt even adhere to the way its instructed on planet merrill (davids website) except for the qualified endorsement part.

heck, just investigate the sub forum labeled "lesson plan" and you should be able to figure out whats going on with that whole deal.


just sayin'

as would I, because to me, redemption of the original debt bond of the BC with lawful money redemption and forcing the hand of Congress or the State to issue an allodial title to the land mass of the physical body to its rightful owner.

By the way, the BC foot prints show "standing", standing on something is the ultimate form of jurisdiction and ownership.

Now, the law is, "first in time, first in line" meaning before your feet ever touched dry land, they were set on paper (which floats). That means no matter what came NEXT, that STANDING was first.

I totally am on board that document needs to be claimed, redeemed and SURRENDERED to me so I can match the foot prints and burn that thing so I can take my lawful place as a man, standing on the land with ZERO encumbrances, a clear title.

That is why I suggested a new survey of the land (your body) must be made, paid for and matched to that BC and real estate and title laws are probably important to know.

Probate court is for property of DECEDENTS, not the living.

By the way, the IRS has you listed as a DECEDENT, did you know that? You can get your tax records and verify that for yourself.

I believe the demand for lawful money redemption is just a "proof of life" to the Banks, the Treasury and the IRS.

Dead corporations cannot make demands on the living men and women without the informed consent of the living and a lawful contract to back that demand for performance.

That is funny, because the Trust email list is well into the hundreds just for the past 5 years and contrary to your opinion, not one of us has had any enforcement action from the IRS that has not been shut down with little effort. You might think words on paper are "heat" but we know they are just offers to stop doing the right things and getting real results.

There has NEVER been any action taken against anyone who has done redemption per 12 USC 411 from the IRS, not ONE, in fact, I know of dead stops by people making payments to the IRS for back tax issues and the IRS stops accepting their payments after being notified the "taxpayer" has changed all accounts to restricted endorsement per 12 usc 411. Do you have such results from the process you claim is the "best solution" of course you do not, because there are none.

Again, you are posting like you know, but you do not.

I do because unlike you, I have been proven by action not delusions of processes success you yourself have admitted to NEVER EVEN DOING.

When you actually do something and get a real result, let us know. Till then, you are all talk (or post and no substance) in this case.

yet here you are with, for some reason, an exceptional motivation to spam the same ole and spew hatred towards others who point out the slightest chink in your knowitall armor. (ego)

and william may or may not be incorrect but to use the words "dead wrong" not only ignorant of the law but indicates thet you have some kind of problem upstairs.


thats all the energy im gonna expend on all youre BS, I can see right through it but others may not so this expenditure is for them not from you.

you could be right, as it is only speculation on my part, and i do not know how they are handling it...

but, i do know it is not the best way to take advantage of lawful money demand...

as i mentioned earlier, there is a depreciation factor of items in your possession before it is eligible for redemption, and i believe it is 7 years...

prior to 1933, this was the case and you had to wait the 7 years for the credits... roosevelt's new deal, removed the gold, and floated bonds on it, eliminating the 7 years, making the credits immediately available, taking a line on your account... but, you had to pay an income tax...

the credits are immediately available, and the benefit of that outweighs the tax you pay...

look at a mathematical example;

Based on earning $500, assuming a 25% tax rate

lawful money demand on earnings checque...

$500 earned...
no tax
$500 in spending power...

lawful money demand, with tax paid...

$500 earned...
$125 in tax paid...
$375 net...
$375 spent at retailers...
$375 available to redeem as lawful money...
$750 total spending power...

as you can see, by doing it the way it is intended to be done, you gain 50% in spending power...

if you don't redeem them right away, they simply accumulate and can be used for bigger ticket items, credit cards, etc...

as I see it, this is what is not understood, making the information pouring out the forums, and threads misleading...not intentionally, but never the less, could be a minefield for people...

well, as far as the irs turning up the heat...that is only speculation on our part...

a new lawful money thread may be a great idea...but, being a canadian, our laws and acts are different then the u.s., and lawful money is not a term we use...lieutenant governor, governor general, and the sovereign, is how our tier works...

i understand your heavy drive to figure out how to get out of the system, and be 100% self governing...

after all, this dog and pony show is becoming very tiresome, and turning in to a nightmare...

i just cannot see it being done by collapsing trusts, bc, colb, etc...for me, the only time i will be completely free is when i die... in the meantime, i will operate in equity, and try to enjoy myself...

GLP.. takes and makes all kinds. no comment on the other leading stuff i posted leading up to the bizarre? y'all just want to talk about the money doncha..



perhaps it is a pre script ion? or a will? a business plan? maybe the word "holy" translates to heir, and "bible" to bi laws (bi bul)?



have you considered that maybe TPTB exist in the spiritual aswell? that bizarre thought comes from contemplating all the various GLP type theories of the the afterlife or spiritual realm ive collected. its just a thought though but the earth as we know it seem to be either like a prison planet or a school, Ive always leaned toward the school line of thought about it, mostly because i find it less depressing to consider it that way i guess and this bizarre thought to me is not out of the realm of possibility.

there are very advance people here whos knowledge is well beyond what one could accumulate in a single lifetime and this would help explain how that is.

im not much into the ET side of things either but i think it is foolish to think there is no ET life and if we are a product of that or somehow influenced or controlled by some form of ET, either would fit.




thats a definitive statement (a claim?) what makes you so sure (proof of claim?)



thats quite possible.. ive pondered that also. i also think language is a religion. you?


focusing so hard on only the money is such a narrow and limited perspective, putting it in the forefront of all these types of discussions is sad IMO. it has its role and that is a pretty big one too but were missing the forest for the trees with it.

The word "redeem" is such a clusterf. Sneaky Jekyll Island boys knew what they were doing, using that word.

12usc411 says "shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand". The first definition of redeem in Blacks is "To buy back." It could be interpreted to mean that FRNs shall be bought back by the Fed/Treas and lawful money issued to whoever demands it.

However, the second definition of redeem in Blacks is paying a debt to liberate an estate from status as pledge/collateral. That would also be a form of "buy back".

Perhaps the redeem clause has two meanings, as written, and both interpretations are part of the process? That sure would confuse the hell out of most people!

A "right of redemption", which imo the 411 passage also equates to (shall/demand), Blacks says is a right to recover a title by paying what is due. If one can only "pay" with lawful money then what debt is being paid by lawful money, if the lawful money can only be received as a -result- of redemption? Sounds like one does a first redemption to receive lawful money and then a second redemption to use the lawful money to buy back the estate. Perhaps they are two different redemption processes but written into the same clause?

i meant the threads where members there had posted up questions on what do do now that the IR S has done this or that to them after following instructions for how to file etc.

ive spent planty of time on that forum, lots of other stuff i could mention too but people who are seriously interested in that so called remedy can dig around some and see plenty.

I've commented several times that this is a spiritual journey and about much more than just ducking the tax man or buying crap on a visa card. It is about truly knowing you are not a name and number and is what starts most down this path. IOW, knowing that you are more than that and giving a shit about your true self enough to devote the time to comprehending the system, getting out of it and hopefully claiming the title of the king that you are, instead of remaining an ignorant serf. I pay attention to your posts even if I don't reply directly to them. You seem to realize this isn't about ducking the tax man or buying crap with a visa card too.

fellow man, I'm curious to hear your interpretation of the two witnesses and revelation 11 in general. No denying there's interesting numbers and parallels in there.

look for clues in the bible, as well as blacks...

in the bible you find a sermon where jesus tells his followers to buy themselves a sword...i interpret this to be a double edge cutlass, it cuts both ways...meaning you can use your actions in commerce to both create credits and redeem them...it is how you use the money...

the saviour - this is not the saviour of your spiritual self...it means that all your actions in commerce are saved...

original sin - financial energy passed to you from generation to generation...

raising from death - substitute death for debt...a bills of exchange act will clearly tell you that when a statement is produced, that rise has been given...

jesus dies at 33... 33 is a curious number, as both above and below sea level at 33 feet exerts the same pressure on a body of .445 lbs per square inch...

cast in to hell - look for the interpretation of hell in blacks... hell means under the exchequers table...

what i am suggesting to you is we have two currencies operating, one above and one below... they can be used for both creating credits, and redeeming them...

you can find the visual reference of this dual system in washington dc... the reflecting pool, where the phallic symbol, is reflected in the pool...

the title of this thread id birth certificate estate...with this in the title, it is automatically about the money...

it is about ionized script, a will, and a business plan...holy (wholly) means two parts brought together...

of course tptb exist in the astral, we all do...we are all spirit streams animating various types of bodies, and no, not simply a bold statement... the knowing comes from a combination of experience, observation, intuition, and information from people who have extensive experience in a conscious out of body state...

this is a school, this entire galaxy is a school...reincarnation is a reality, and i know your question is - how come i do not have past memories?...reincarnation, although it is a reality, it does not mean an advanced being, unless you count accumulated technical and system organization knowledge as advanced...

if a being has to reincarnate, then that being can not be near the end of their spiritual journey in this galaxy game...they still have addictions to break, and balance aspects that need to be refined...

an advanced being simultaneously incarnates; all incarnations at once in all time periods, in a huge variety of experiential options...no one incarnation has past memories, as all are happening at the same moment...it is the simultaneous flow of these experiences back to the source, that makes the source a far superior spiritual being then those on the one at a time reincarnation path...

of course there are et's...the source of the big religions on this planet are et in origin... the physical evidence of them can be found in all the ancient mega structures around the world...

they are still here, and still in control, although covertly...

a great deal of the covert control is in the structure of language...meaning and interpretation given by dictionary's, organizations, churches, etc...it does not matter, as long as those in the know, and in positions of power are following the sequence of numbers the words represent, and following it to tee, as prescribed to them in the et originated bible...

I do not hate others, but I do point out when they are lying (even if out of ignorance, which might be the case with you).

When I and others have proven a concept to work, it is no longer a concept, it is the truth. "By the witness testimony of of 2 or 3 shall all truths be established." That is the law.

You are not a witness to the "KW" data dump you keep referring to.

You are not trust worthy as you are bearing false witness.

Case closed, no hate because your deception and lies are self evident.

william was and is dead wrong about what I pointed out, that is not hate, it is my testimony and that of others who have actually proven it.

I don't care if you like it or not, it does not change the facts nor the truth.

That is exactly correct. The NOTES are redeemed for "lawful money". Lawful money Notes are then used (as set forth in 31 USC 411).

When those US Currency Notes are used, the physical property bought with them (goods and services) are also redeemed.

All this "lawful money redemption is over rated" by one idiot who have NEVER DONE ANY PROCESS HE KEEPS YAPPING ABOUT shows me who and where the deceiver is.

Oh, he has read the forum and its confusing. Well, why don't you actually DO something?

How "confusing" is it to take a paycheck or a check from his mommy for his allowance, turn it over and write:

"Demand is made for redemption in lawful money per 12 USC 411. Federal Reserve Notes in any form refused for cause."

Then ask his mommy for a ride to the bank and walk in like a big boy, walk to the "teller" and redeem it?

Or, if he cannot talk to the big bad teller, take the check to an ATM and have mommy push the buttons and deposit the check into his account she probably had to cosign with him to get anyway.

Is that REALLY CONFUSING and difficult?

098, you got it exactly correct, 411 as it stands today (but not in its original spell form) speaks to redeeming the FRNS AND redeeming "they shall be redeemed" with NO clarification on who or what the "they" is.

Since some people think being free from income tax is not a big deal, they can continue to give their currency away to the IRS and file their taxes every year. This has NEVER been about income tax for me, it has always been about getting the Government to either stop their silly games and interference into every aspect of my life or prove their claims of control over me. I took them on every chance I could, I won some and lost some, but in the end, I am free of them to the extent possible without actually ending up dead.

I have already shared the outline of exactly how it was done and it would have been IMPOSSIBLE without 12 USC 411, because their God is MONEY and if you do not overstand their GOD in your life, you will be ruled by it.

I have been working on how to get an email to you, but since I am not a member here, there is no private messaging for me.

maybe we could both set up a one use email and exchange contact info?

Many forget even the gods are bound by law, there are lower laws for those in a "fallen state" (called Levitical laws) and there are "Higher laws" and there are spiritual laws above those to Govern the 'gods' themselves.

This world is in a fallen state. Those who would pretend the lower laws of this fallen "state" are the key to Redemption or salvation fall into the same traps as those priests and elders who placed Levitical (UCC, color of law codes, statutes, legal processes today) laws and Roman laws above the Spiritual laws and "rejected" their redemption on both planes.

They could not redeem their first estate (the Spiritual) without redeeming their Second estate (the physical/earthly) FIRST because ROME had taken over their Second estate (their ability to self govern with the higher laws of God).

We are today in the exact same STATE. People assume their First estate is already redeemed, yet they do not fulfill the physical statutes (spelled out in Title 12) to redeem their second estate, it is totally out of order.

The lower laws must be fulfilled before access to the higher laws can even happen.

"I have not come here to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law."

Fulfilling the redemption clause of Title 12, gives one ACCESS to the Higher laws of redeeming REAL estate property from the binding power of the lower laws.

That does not mean there is not still work to be done AFTER title 12, but to assume one can just JUMP from lower law to higher law is completely ignoring the order of law and is patently false.

It is out of order and contemptuous and laws are all about ORDER.

This is spelled out in the "clean hands doctrine" you must have STANDING to make the higher law work and without redemption as laid out in the lower law you have no clean hands and no standing to bring Higher law into the mix (in our case, the Supreme laws of the land, THEN spiritual laws of God).

That is the way it is and exactly what the Christ figure explains to us. To ignore order in all things is corruption and no unclean thing can enter into the kingdom of God.

The lower laws (color of law statutes and codes) MUST be fulfilled or they will "color" "cloud" and "first lien" all future events and facts.

Then and only then can ROME say "I find no fault with this man" and wash their hands to your second estate titles. Such as that BC some claim is the KEY to all this.

Their entire claim to title is out of order and therefore, unlawful and void.

If you read any book of "state" statutes, they will always point out "any person in this state". but NEVER DEFINE the word "state" in their definitions.

That is not a State in the Union, it means "this fallen state of being" lower laws, darkness, lower vibrations, no lawful money backed by Gold, silver or any other commodity, BANKRUPT, insolvent, dead, incorporated, in debt, unredeemed, fallen, sin bound, untrustworthy, dishonorable, out of order, lost at sea, lower STATE OF BEING.

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i can see now, and have always known - that discussing these matters on open forums and threads leads no where, and confusing for any one to follow...

it is an individual process that involves no one but me...

i wish every one the best of luck with your path...

i am leaving the thread now...

well, this is just my interpretation at this time and as always, its subject to change.

I think they are two signatures in one body, that body being a document, clothed in sack cloth or a cotton envelope.


Im interested in anyone elses interpretations of these two also.

i hope i havnt caused any confusion here william, my goal is the opposite of it.

i certainly enjoyed and am still pondering your input here as many others will be too i think so sorry to have you leave. thanks for sharing what you have shared anyway.

wish you wholeness, balance, and most of all good will in your journey.

with posts like this, you will be missed! I love such thoughtful perspectives and im sure others do as well.

could the "sword" possibly be a S WORD? what does S WORD mean to others here if anything?

and maybe original sin (sine sign) be original signature (sin nature)

raising from debt.. yes! agree, and raising from doubt too, how to do this? study, verify, know, know ledge, know ledger! double entry.

hell, debtors prison, doubters, deathers.

The SSA-521, SS cancellation form requires two witnesses if the canceler signs with "the mark", an "X". In Illumanti symbologly, the Mark of the Beast is "X". Also worth noting that the form says it may not be withdrawn after 60 days from date of mailing. It's an interesting form and seems to have a lot relevance to Revelation 11. Revelation 11 refers to the "42" (set value of gold per US Treasury), the Two Witnesses, 12-60- days, the 420 elders (TOE 420 reference), OMB form number could be interpreted as "666", in numerology.

So yeah, I think that form is kinda important!

The pen is mightier than the sword, after all. Your thoughts about sin/sign definitely fits with what I posted above about the mark "X" on SSA-521. You are not simply aa signed "name" (nor a number) and a signature is a legal term. Why do we provide a signature on a form, yet request an autograph from an athlete? Hmm...

Removing oneself from the name/number system is indeed being reborn, raised from the dead.