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Birth Certificate Estate-Two Birthdates Exposed!!!

 
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This write-up rings true to me regarding redeeming the birth record and taking control of the estate. Basically the step by step process. Thoughts, fellow man?

educationcenter2000(dot)com/remedies-in-commerce/The-Birth-Ce​rtificate-Bond-Explained(dot)pdf

I'll check out the data dump as you suggest.

Trump is his given name but his family name was Drumpf, prior to a relative changing it to Trump. Afaik, Donald himself didn't change the name.

Another interesting resource, the Treasury Financial Manual. Makes sense that for all the digging we are doing trying to put this puzzle together, the feds themselves would have manuals detailing procedures.

tfm.fiscal.treasury(dot)gov/home(dot)html
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can not seem to get your first link working but the second does.

that "data dump" is great, been listening to KWs talk from there alot. his stuff about the BC makes the most sense to me than anything else at this point.

did jesus have a BC? lol..
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direct link
[link to educationcenter2000.com]
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thanks, Ive seen that before actually and was inclined to agree with it and even started in that direction but what KW points out makes sense and that is that there would be no BC had there not been a foundling.

the BC indicates an illegitimate child because of that. and legitimates have no inheritance.

he cuts ties with the BC (resigns) and boris, from what I gather so far, returns it to them saying it was a mistake.
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thanks, Ive seen that before actually and was inclined to agree with it and even started in that direction but what KW points out makes sense and that is that there would be no BC had there not been a foundling.

the BC indicates an illegitimate child because of that. and legitimates have no inheritance.

he cuts ties with the BC (resigns) and boris, from what I gather so far, returns it to them saying it was a mistake.
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correction: above should read "illegitimate have no inheritance"

moms name is maiden name on the COLB also, right?
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thanks, Ive seen that before actually and was inclined to agree with it and even started in that direction but what KW points out makes sense and that is that there would be no BC had there not been a foundling.

the BC indicates an illegitimate child because of that. and legitimates have no inheritance.

he cuts ties with the BC (resigns) and boris, from what I gather so far, returns it to them saying it was a mistake.
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correction: above should read "illegitimate have no inheritance"

moms name is maiden name on the COLB also, right?
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Looks to me like this whole thing is based in various parts of section 7 of the UCC. It all fits.

For example, UCC 7 403(b) states the bailee can claim a lien on the "property" which has to be paid. If lien isn't paid by title holder, bailee can sell the "property" at auction to satisfy the lien. Sounds a lot like a US Treasury auction, yes? However, the bailee MUST hold the extra proceeds for the title holder to claim.

7-403(1) would mean turning in the COLB to the bailee (Treasury or Fed, authorized to act as banker for the Treasury). Treasury would cancel the COLB and issue the "proceeds" that title holder is entitled to. Perhaps that is in the form of a Treasury check that one can endorse as lawful money and deposit? Or perhaps that is the "black card" that is automatically paid?

The COLB would need to be certified by Vital Records, then authenticated by the state SecState, then authenticated by the US SecState for use as a true document in a foreign country/territory (Washington DC or a Fed branch, a foreign bank that I assume is also on "foreign land") before it can be turned in under 7-403(1).

I'm thinking the search for the BC is a red herring and it's the COLB that we all hold (as bearer) that is the document of title, per UCC 7-104(a).

If the Treasury and/or Fed holds the "property" under a warehouse lien then the lien must be paid (back to gold and silver face value?) before the property is returned. That property (I suspect it's a T bond) can be then redeemed for whatever the value is. If the Treasury/Fed has sold the property and no longer is in possession, it must provide the value, minus the lien amount.

It's all UCC.

Make sense?
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The movie Jupiter Ascending is allegory for the process imho. Watch it if you haven't.

I recall reading a somewhat detailed write-up by someone that claimed to have gone through the process. It basically said that once one does the redemption they are pulled aside and go through a kind of a 'training program' to make sure the redeemer is aware of their rights and responsibilities, as well as the new liabilities created by the redemption. There are real world ramifications to removing oneself from commercial venue and over to common law venue.
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Finally, perhaps the formal BC created is the bond itself and can only be obtained by redeeming the COLB. Turning in the COLB means taking ownership of the BC bond (or the remaining proceeds from the previous sale of the bond, whichever applies).
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Looks to me like this whole thing is based in various parts of section 7 of the UCC. It all fits.
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I am not very familiar with UCC.

For example, UCC 7 403(b) states the bailee can claim a lien on the "property" which has to be paid. If lien isn't paid by title holder, bailee can sell the "property" at auction to satisfy the lien. Sounds a lot like a US Treasury auction, yes? However, the bailee MUST hold the extra proceeds for the title holder to claim.
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so in this example, what is the "property"?

7-403(1) would mean turning in the COLB to the bailee (Treasury or Fed, authorized to act as banker for the Treasury). Treasury would cancel the COLB and issue the "proceeds" that title holder is entitled to. Perhaps that is in the form of a Treasury check that one can endorse as lawful money and deposit? Or perhaps that is the "black card" that is automatically paid?
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hmmmm...


The COLB would need to be certified by Vital Records, then authenticated by the state SecState, then authenticated by the US SecState for use as a true document in a foreign country/territory (Washington DC or a Fed branch, a foreign bank that I assume is also on "foreign land") before it can be turned in under 7-403(1).
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so you would want to start with getting a certified copy of the COLB from vital stats? I have a very old one that is in pretty bad shape and the COLBs are not even listed as something you can get unless it is what they are calling the optional "pen in hand" version of the Birth Certificate. still waiting for that to arrive so verify/confirm and if its not then it may be difficult to get a new one.

I'm thinking the search for the BC is a red herring and it's the COLB that we all hold (as bearer) that is the document of title, per UCC 7-104(a).
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KW mentions three birth related documents are needed to prove we are heirs to the kingdom. the COLB, the BC, and another that only comes in black and white but he wasnt very specific or I missed it (maybe the hospital original) and he says you authenticate these yourself (self authentication) with a yellow ribbon, also said the old song by tony orlando "tie a yellow ribbon round an old oak tree" is about this process. reminds me, I need to read those lyrics.


If the Treasury and/or Fed holds the "property" under a warehouse lien then the lien must be paid (back to gold and silver face value?) before the property is returned. That property (I suspect it's a T bond) can be then redeemed for whatever the value is. If the Treasury/Fed has sold the property and no longer is in possession, it must provide the value, minus the lien amount.

It's all UCC.

Make sense?
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its helping to.. Im glad your here.

Im still listening to all those conference calls. about halfway through them. I'll share with you any other items of interest i may glean from them.
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The movie Jupiter Ascending is allegory for the process imho. Watch it if you haven't.
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I watched the important part of that movie when they were going through the proccess. wrote down every word too! lol


I recall reading a somewhat detailed write-up by someone that claimed to have gone through the process. It basically said that once one does the redemption they are pulled aside and go through a kind of a 'training program' to make sure the redeemer is aware of their rights and responsibilities, as well as the new liabilities created by the redemption. There are real world ramifications to removing oneself from commercial venue and over to common law venue.
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thats what I want more than anything. just out! they can have the money.. im just sick of being seen as a number, sick of everybody being seen this way, sick of how its consumed peoples souls and now people see other people as numbers!

I cant imagine how that can be fixed either. its so bad Ive all but given up completely on society. this is all that keeps me going. that is law study because its the only way I can see that i might be able to help fix this mess or die trying anyway.


thanks and I really am glad your here.
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Finally, perhaps the formal BC created is the bond itself and can only be obtained by redeeming the COLB. Turning in the COLB means taking ownership of the BC bond (or the remaining proceeds from the previous sale of the bond, whichever applies).
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wow:

I'm comin' home, I've done my time
Now I've got to know what is and isn't mine
If you received my letter tellin' you I'd soon be free
Then you'll know just what to do if you still want me
If you still want me

Tie a yellow ribbon 'round the old oak tree
It's been three long years
Do you still want me?
If I don't see a ribbon round the old oak tree
I'll stay on the bus
Forget about us
Put the blame on me
If I don't see a yellow ribbon round the old oak tree

Bus driver, please look for me
'Cause I couldn't bear to see what I might see
I'm really still in prison, and my love she holds the key
A simple yellow ribbon's what I need to set me free
I wrote and told her this:

Now the whole damn bus is cheering
And I can't believe I see
A hundred yellow ribbons 'round the old oak tree
I'm comin' home
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UCC is the linchpin to all of this. If you read up on the court side of how the strawman figures into all of this (in short, the strawman is how they drag you into court for victimless crimes, aka commercial violations of corporate invisible contracts) then UCC is where the remedies are found. You'll never get to the bottom of it without understanding UCC, particularly section 7.

The "property" is body, soul and mind but it's been monetized and being held as surety. The paperwork is just the commercial registration of that property.

I don't know in what form the "authentication" takes but I wouldn't be surprised if it's something to do with a ribbon. I recall reading something about a ribbon and seal...

Glad to help. The entire Matrix has been a study of mine for years. Feels like it's all coming together...
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If there are indeed three documents needed, then what three documents represent the body, the soul and the mind? Body would be the COLB. What birth records cover soul and mind? I'll have to think on that.
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body = COLB
soul = baptism record
mind = ? perhaps SS card
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I am 6098 btw. Just on the road today.
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ok, i thought it would be the body, just wanted to make sure.

body is the land, maybe spirit is air and soul is sea? kurtis k goes into how they separate us (calls it distillation) he pointed that out from some catholic literature.

from people who have authenticated, the docs come back with a blue ribbon bound with a brass rivet to the docs. i think i recall one guy said his had red and blue ribbons.

there is also a guy in cananda who had his apostilled instead of authenticated and it came back with a green ribbon but instead of a brass rivet, it was attached to the docs with a wax seal.


ive heard mention of baptismal certificates also but not everyone gets those so i dont think that is a part of it but cant rule it out.

Ive been studying law and related subjects for over five years now but only focusing on the matrix (initial instrument-birth document) for the last years or so but yes, i too see that things are coming together.

if it wasnt for the internet, i dont think we would be this close at all. many like minded people have been able to combine their sections of this puzzle together with it so we are very close to figuring this out now.

alot of the folks were on this path prior to the internet too so when it came along they were able to get together and had a great base of knowledge for us to work with.

i really think there is no certain way yet but a strong foundation to stand on right now that can be used to work out the final pieces on our own. each final piece may be quite different but workable.

thanks
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ok, i thought it would be the body, just wanted to make sure.

body is the land, maybe spirit is air and soul is sea? kurtis k goes into how they separate us (calls it distillation) he pointed that out from some catholic literature.

from people who have authenticated, the docs come back with a blue ribbon bound with a brass rivet to the docs. i think i recall one guy said his had red and blue ribbons.

there is also a guy in cananda who had his apostilled instead of authenticated and it came back with a green ribbon but instead of a brass rivet, it was attached to the docs with a wax seal.


ive heard mention of baptismal certificates also but not everyone gets those so i dont think that is a part of it but cant rule it out.

Ive been studying law and related subjects for over five years now but only focusing on the matrix (initial instrument-birth document) for the last years or so but yes, i too see that things are coming together.

if it wasnt for the internet, i dont think we would be this close at all. many like minded people have been able to combine their sections of this puzzle together with it so we are very close to figuring this out now.

alot of the folks were on this path prior to the internet too so when it came along they were able to get together and had a great base of knowledge for us to work with.

i really think there is no certain way yet but a strong foundation to stand on right now that can be used to work out the final pieces on our own. each final piece may be quite different but workable.

thanks
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Have you actually seen these authentic documents or is that all hearsay?
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ok, i thought it would be the body, just wanted to make sure.

body is the land, maybe spirit is air and soul is sea? kurtis k goes into how they separate us (calls it distillation) he pointed that out from some catholic literature.

from people who have authenticated, the docs come back with a blue ribbon bound with a brass rivet to the docs. i think i recall one guy said his had red and blue ribbons.

there is also a guy in cananda who had his apostilled instead of authenticated and it came back with a green ribbon but instead of a brass rivet, it was attached to the docs with a wax seal.


ive heard mention of baptismal certificates also but not everyone gets those so i dont think that is a part of it but cant rule it out.

Ive been studying law and related subjects for over five years now but only focusing on the matrix (initial instrument-birth document) for the last years or so but yes, i too see that things are coming together.

if it wasnt for the internet, i dont think we would be this close at all. many like minded people have been able to combine their sections of this puzzle together with it so we are very close to figuring this out now.

alot of the folks were on this path prior to the internet too so when it came along they were able to get together and had a great base of knowledge for us to work with.

i really think there is no certain way yet but a strong foundation to stand on right now that can be used to work out the final pieces on our own. each final piece may be quite different but workable.

thanks
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Have you actually seen these authentic documents or is that all hearsay?
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red text guy? ;-)

its all hearsay to me, i have no first hand knowledge of it however there are some videos on youtube in which the publishers are discussing these topics and show the docs as they have recieved them after the processes of authentication or apostile. but the red and blue ribbons together was from anothers experience that i read, wasnt on youtube.

why do you ask? is it that had to believe or some other reason for your question?
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ok, i thought it would be the body, just wanted to make sure.

body is the land, maybe spirit is air and soul is sea? kurtis k goes into how they separate us (calls it distillation) he pointed that out from some catholic literature.

from people who have authenticated, the docs come back with a blue ribbon bound with a brass rivet to the docs. i think i recall one guy said his had red and blue ribbons.

there is also a guy in cananda who had his apostilled instead of authenticated and it came back with a green ribbon but instead of a brass rivet, it was attached to the docs with a wax seal.


ive heard mention of baptismal certificates also but not everyone gets those so i dont think that is a part of it but cant rule it out.

Ive been studying law and related subjects for over five years now but only focusing on the matrix (initial instrument-birth document) for the last years or so but yes, i too see that things are coming together.

if it wasnt for the internet, i dont think we would be this close at all. many like minded people have been able to combine their sections of this puzzle together with it so we are very close to figuring this out now.

alot of the folks were on this path prior to the internet too so when it came along they were able to get together and had a great base of knowledge for us to work with.

i really think there is no certain way yet but a strong foundation to stand on right now that can be used to work out the final pieces on our own. each final piece may be quite different but workable.

thanks
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Have you actually seen these authentic documents or is that all hearsay?
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red text guy? ;-)

its all hearsay to me, i have no first hand knowledge of it however there are some videos on youtube in which the publishers are discussing these topics and show the docs as they have recieved them after the processes of authentication or apostile. but the red and blue ribbons together was from anothers experience that i read, wasnt on youtube.

why do you ask? is it that had to believe or some other reason for your question?
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I asked because I wanted to know. Thanks.
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I asked because I wanted to know. Thanks.
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YW.

you should be able to find those vids fairly easy with the search term "authenticated birth certificate" on you tube

the cover sheet that gets annexed into the authenticated docs is also very interesting FWIW

KW also mentioned that the BC of firstborn children has a distinctive blank white band header that does not appear on those who are not firstborn. I would like to verify that somehow!

anyone here firstborns to a family and have a BC that they can look at to confirm this?
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a very interesting doc to read that is easily available from .gov is a .pdf that can be found by searching the term:

inspector generals report on birth certificate fraud
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Your question:

"so you would want to start with getting a certified copy of the COLB from vital stats? I have a very old one that is in pretty bad shape and the COLBs are not even listed as something you can get unless it is what they are calling the optional "pen in hand" version of the Birth Certificate. still waiting for that to arrive so verify/confirm and if its not then it may be difficult to get a new one."

It would be whatever document the state you were born in identifies as a "birth record" from the state dept of vital stats. Mine would be the COLB. The same document that one presents as a "BC" to the DMV, for example. ymmv on whatever your state calls it.

By holding the COLB one holds the title but hasn't presented the title in order to receive the property ("goods", in UCC terminology) from the bailee (receiver of "goods"...your mother is the bailor, deliverer of the "goods"), as UCC 7-403(a) allows. The bailee places a lien on the "goods" and since it hasn't been paid/satisfied to reclaim the "goods", bailee (USG) then sells or conveys the "goods" and the proceeds from the sale go into the Trust for general use by the pirates (using property that doesn't belong to them!). Very few individuals claim their "goods" so the pirates continue to use the proceeds of the sale, knowing that it won't be redeemed.

So I'd think one can authenticate the birth record, present it per 12usc411, along with a baptism record (which shows one is a child of God...the soul) and probably the SS card along with SS-521, which is the only document I can think of that would represent the mind. Your SS# is imprinted in your mind, is it not? Not being simply a number shows reclaiming one's mind, yes? Probably presenting the results of that form is third document but don't hold me to that. Obviously one can't opt out of the all caps commercial system while keeping SS membership, though. SS is a "benefit" of being a "federal employee".

I hope that all makes sense.
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Looks to me like this whole thing is based in various parts of section 7 of the UCC. It all fits.
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I am not very familiar with UCC.

For example, UCC 7 403(b) states the bailee can claim a lien on the "property" which has to be paid. If lien isn't paid by title holder, bailee can sell the "property" at auction to satisfy the lien. Sounds a lot like a US Treasury auction, yes? However, the bailee MUST hold the extra proceeds for the title holder to claim.
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so in this example, what is the "property"?

7-403(1) would mean turning in the COLB to the bailee (Treasury or Fed, authorized to act as banker for the Treasury). Treasury would cancel the COLB and issue the "proceeds" that title holder is entitled to. Perhaps that is in the form of a Treasury check that one can endorse as lawful money and deposit? Or perhaps that is the "black card" that is automatically paid?
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hmmmm...


The COLB would need to be certified by Vital Records, then authenticated by the state SecState, then authenticated by the US SecState for use as a true document in a foreign country/territory (Washington DC or a Fed branch, a foreign bank that I assume is also on "foreign land") before it can be turned in under 7-403(1).
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so you would want to start with getting a certified copy of the COLB from vital stats? I have a very old one that is in pretty bad shape and the COLBs are not even listed as something you can get unless it is what they are calling the optional "pen in hand" version of the Birth Certificate. still waiting for that to arrive so verify/confirm and if its not then it may be difficult to get a new one.

I'm thinking the search for the BC is a red herring and it's the COLB that we all hold (as bearer) that is the document of title, per UCC 7-104(a).
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KW mentions three birth related documents are needed to prove we are heirs to the kingdom. the COLB, the BC, and another that only comes in black and white but he wasnt very specific or I missed it (maybe the hospital original) and he says you authenticate these yourself (self authentication) with a yellow ribbon, also said the old song by tony orlando "tie a yellow ribbon round an old oak tree" is about this process. reminds me, I need to read those lyrics.


If the Treasury and/or Fed holds the "property" under a warehouse lien then the lien must be paid (back to gold and silver face value?) before the property is returned. That property (I suspect it's a T bond) can be then redeemed for whatever the value is. If the Treasury/Fed has sold the property and no longer is in possession, it must provide the value, minus the lien amount.

It's all UCC.

Make sense?
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its helping to.. Im glad your here.

Im still listening to all those conference calls. about halfway through them. I'll share with you any other items of interest i may glean from them.
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what is COLB reference to ?

Does anyone have a laymans explaination of and or steps to take to resolve this deception? another do
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You may find Jordan Maxwell's commentaries on UCC informative. UCC is pretty much the law of the land today, even though it's technically the law of the sea/international trade/admiralty maritime law.

Also, Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon Hour of the Time series. It's many hours on YT but VERY worth the time invested. It gives much, much background into how the system was created and what the end goals are (NWO aka entire planet under commercial contract law).
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COLB = certificate of live birth. Or whatever the state you were born in calls the birth record you can request a certified copy of from dept of vital stats.

The state holds the original and provides you a certified copy but you are the owner, not the state. Btw, the state "government" is in actuality only a corporate subdivision of the corporate federal "government".

I probably shouldn't have used the word "cancel". More like you are presenting "title" to the "goods". What happens to the authenticated copy of the COLB when redeemed I do not know.
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You may find Jordan Maxwell's commentaries on UCC informative. UCC is pretty much the law of the land today, even though it's technically the law of the sea/international trade/admiralty maritime law.

Also, Bill Cooper's Mystery Babylon Hour of the Time series. It's many hours on YT but VERY worth the time invested. It gives much, much background into how the system was created and what the end goals are (NWO aka entire planet under commercial contract law).
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Hmm.... and where is William COOPER now??

I will never forget the night he died nor the events that followed, that was a major turning point in my and many others lives, but I digress.

There is a now a 6 year running thread here:
Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

which speaks to all the issues and more discussed on this and other threads.

That link has been given many times on this thread and is very much a stand alone guide, IMO.
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05/06/2016 10:31 PM
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Re: Birth Certificate Estate-Two Birthdates Exposed!!!
COLB = certificate of live birth. Or whatever the state you were born in calls the birth record you can request a certified copy of from dept of vital stats.

The state holds the original and provides you a certified copy but you are the owner, not the state. Btw, the state "government" is in actuality only a corporate subdivision of the corporate federal "government".

I probably shouldn't have used the word "cancel". More like you are presenting "title" to the "goods". What happens to the authenticated copy of the COLB when redeemed I do not know.
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I would ask how you know that and where one could verify those statements?

Even if you cannot tell us how we could verify those claims, you might tell us what function of law makes you the "owner" of the BC/Title/COLB?

A newborn cannot be contracted with, so UCC is out. The parents abandoned the BC, so where is the nexus of ownership to the BC or COLB you are basing the entire concept of "ownership" on?

To make a claim, one must have STANDING to the property.

Standing is the ability of a party to bring a lawsuit in court based upon their stake in the outcome. A party seeking to demonstrate standing must be able to show the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged. Otherwise, the court will rule that you "lack standing" to bring the suit and dismiss your case.

There are three constitutional requirements to prove standing:

Injury: The plaintiff must have suffered or imminently will suffer injury. The injury must not be abstract and must be within the zone of interests meant to be regulated or protected under the statutory or constitutional guarantee in question.
Causation: The injury must be reasonably connected to the defendant’s conduct.
Redressability: A favorable court decision must be likely to redress the injury.
There are other requirements imposed by judge made law:

A party may only assert his or her own rights and cannot raise the claims of a third party who is not before the court.
A plaintiff cannot sue as a taxpayer who shares a grievance in common with all other taxpayers.

[link to definitions.uslegal.com]

This is a simple question of law (any law, scripture, statute or code is fine) that I have brought up already on this and other threads and has been ignored.

Thank you in advance.
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05/06/2016 10:42 PM
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which speaks to all the issues and more discussed on this.
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need i say it again? PROVE IT!

no it doesnt.. just another off topic side track and possibly even a psyop as i mentioned earlier.

this thread is specific to the BC and what exactly it IS.

if your intentions are honorable here then you will stay on the topic, otherwise dishonor is apparent.
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05/06/2016 11:07 PM
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ok, thats more like it. i thought you was doing a drive by post.

COLB = certificate of live birth. Or whatever the state you were born in calls the birth record you can request a certified copy of from dept of vital stats.

The state holds the original and provides you a certified copy but you are the owner, not the state. Btw, the state "government" is in actuality only a corporate subdivision of the corporate federal "government".

I probably shouldn't have used the word "cancel". More like you are presenting "title" to the "goods". What happens to the authenticated copy of the COLB when redeemed I do not know.
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I would ask how you know that and where one could verify those statements?

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71408469


fair question and a good one.

Even if you cannot tell us how we could verify those claims, you might tell us what function of law makes you the "owner" of the BC/Title/COLB?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71408469


yup, something to seriously consider. no doubt.


A newborn cannot be contracted with, so UCC is out.
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this would seem logical and i see it alot but what is the basis for this claim?

the footprints were taken so that to me does seem to indicate somethings going on with that.

The parents abandoned the BC,
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how so?


so where is the nexus of ownership to the BC or COLB you are basing the entire concept of "ownership" on?
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this right here gets to the heart of the matter of this topic. the concept of ownership gets to the heart of everything doesnt it?


To make a claim, one must have STANDING to the property.
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and people make claims all the time anyway though dont they.


Standing is the ability of a party to bring a lawsuit in court based upon their stake in the outcome. A party seeking to demonstrate standing must be able to show the court sufficient connection to and harm from the law or action challenged. Otherwise, the court will rule that you "lack standing" to bring the suit and dismiss your case.

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seems a reasonable definition for at least one aspect of it. what court though?

There are three constitutional requirements to prove standing:

Injury: The plaintiff must have suffered or imminently will suffer injury. The injury must not be abstract and must be within the zone of interests meant to be regulated or protected under the statutory or constitutional guarantee in question.
Causation: The injury must be reasonably connected to the defendant’s conduct.
Redressability: A favorable court decision must be likely to redress the injury.
There are other requirements imposed by judge made law:

A party may only assert his or her own rights and cannot raise the claims of a third party who is not before the court.
A plaintiff cannot sue as a taxpayer who shares a grievance in common with all other taxpayers.

[link to definitions.uslegal.com]

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now what abouts claims outside the con stitution?

This is a simple question of law (any law, scripture, statute or code is fine) that I have brought up already on this and other threads and has been ignored.
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you did? I dont recall that. where is the exact question posted here?

wait.. what is the question?


anyway, sorry if I jumped the gun thinking you were doing a drive by spam posts. you do seem to have some experience that could help others, I just would like you to stay on topic here and it seems you always gravitate to the t12s411 thing. its somewhat understandable too but still.. lets try to stay on topic please.

thanks
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05/06/2016 11:18 PM
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which speaks to all the issues and more discussed on this.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71408469



need i say it again? PROVE IT!

no it doesnt.. just another off topic side track and possibly even a psyop as i mentioned earlier.

this thread is specific to the BC and what exactly it IS.

if your intentions are honorable here then you will stay on the topic, otherwise dishonor is apparent.
 Quoting: fellow man 29203778


This thread is not yours to rule, nor am I.

I will continue to post whatever I feel is relevant to this or any discussion, and call you and your bullshit exactly what it is.

YOU have nothing to do with the BC (you did not create it, you do not own it, you cannot claim it) an adult cannot be held to any legal agreement made by their parents at the time of their birth, that is utter legal and lawful BULLSHIT. And you continue to act like it is not.

Look up "contracts with children".
[link to www.duhaime.org]

You are not only dishonorable, you are a flat out liar, you have not done anything this thread speaks to and you set yourself up as a judge of what is honorable, please.





GLP