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The Word of the Lord came to Jeremiah

 
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I am just passing on what I was told.
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no wonder, your fathers passed on lies.

O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Jer 16:19
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That verse doesn't apply to Israelites from the House of Israel false convert clown.
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it applies to wannabes like you.
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Funny that every claimed Jew in Israel are just posers, Kazakh frauds that worship Money. Stealing land from the Palestinians, desecration of the Israelite land. Most Christians believe people like you are frauds and the true Israelites, will claim the lands rightfully belonging to them and all of the frauds will be handed over to the Palestinians.
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Like you have a clue about what sin is.

2 Samuel 12:13
Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against YHWH." Nathan replied, "YHWH has taken away your sin. You are not going to die.

Oh look, Nathan the prophet is God too.
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More personal attacks. We were discussing an angel. Why don't you explain to me why Jacob could see Gods face and live, and Moses would die if he saw Gods face.

Its earlier in the thread, and Israel couldnt answer except call me a liar.
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Jacob saw an angel.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jacob called him God.
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He called him elohim. And that elohim was an angel. If you had even one grain of desire for the truth you would learn what that means.

In the womb he grasped his brother's heel; as a man he struggled with God (elohim) He struggled with the angel ( Mal'ak) and overcame him; he wept and begged for his favor. Hosea 12:3-4
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Exodus

God said to Moses, “I am who I am.c This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ”

Johns Gospel

Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
 Quoting: puredreaming


That is not even the name.

Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, ego eimi

9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, ego eimi.
John 9:9

God said to Moses, EGO EIMI HO ON (I AM THE BEING /SELF.EXISTING ONE.c This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘HO ON (THE BEING/SELF-EXISTING ONE) has sent me to you
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but Christians want to lie... because they are liars.
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Such animosity. Such hostility.

Such a spirit..

Such a lie.
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Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one who mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

Zechariah 12:11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Meggido.

Zechariah 12:12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself; and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves;

Okay, whom did they pierce? Who will they mourn for? I want to hear the Jewish explanation of this!
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I am waiting.
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4The word of the Lord came to me, saying,

5“Before I formed you in the womb I knewa you,

before you were born I set you apart;

I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

6“Alas, Sovereign Lord,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am too young.”

Its interesting the word of the Lord comes to Jeremiah, and Jeremiah calls the word Sovereign Lord. Kinda like the Word in Johns Gospel.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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AMEN
YOU MAKE A GREAT OBSERVATION
IN TRUTH!
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Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one who mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

Zechariah 12:11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Meggido.

Zechariah 12:12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself; and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves;

Okay, whom did they pierce? Who will they mourn for? I want to hear the Jewish explanation of this!
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I am waiting.
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He's not responding. Probably waiting for a credit card number, a bitcoin or something.
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OT verses affirmed in the NT as pertaining to Jesus:

15 YHWH your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. 16 For this is what you asked of YHWH your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, “Let us not hear the voice of YHWH our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die.”

17 YHWH said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him.
Deuteronomy 18:15-18


11 A shoot will come up from the stump of Jesse;
from his roots a Branch will bear fruit.
2 The Spirit of YHWH will rest on him—
the Spirit of wisdom and of understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and of might,
the Spirit of the knowledge and fear of YHWH—
3 and he will delight in the fear of YHWH.

He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes,
or decide by what he hears with his ears;
Isaiah 11:1-3

42 “Here is my [YHWH's] servant, whom I uphold,
my chosen one in whom I delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will bring justice to the nations.

Isaiah 42:1
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but Christians want to lie... because they are liars.
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Such animosity. Such hostility.

Such a spirit..

Such a lie.
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No, that's the truth. Consequently Christians will call it a lie.
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I think people with half a brain can understand that you desperately need a brain.

...Christians... liars.
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Such venom. Such hatred.

Such a spirit...
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Manifestations of God.

The person of God is stationary in heaven. He reaches the whole universe through His powerful Spirit. Far from heaven, He manifests Himself as a person through any of His creations, providing the creation is holy enough to host His Spirit. In the OT days, God manifested Himself in the world only through angels. Finally, God manifested Himself to mankind through a man, Jesus Christ.
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Exodus

God said to Moses, “I am who I am.c This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ”

Johns Gospel

Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
 Quoting: puredreaming


That is not even the name.

Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, ego eimi

9 Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, ego eimi.
John 9:9

God said to Moses, EGO EIMI HO ON (I AM THE BEING /SELF.EXISTING ONE.c This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘HO ON (THE BEING/SELF-EXISTING ONE) has sent me to you
 Quoting: Monotheism


Warfield has written concerning this,

"...and again, as the most impressive language possible, He declares...: "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am," where He claims for Himself the timeless present of eternity as His mode of existence."21

The great expositor J. C. Ryle noted,

"Let us carefully note what a strong proof we have here of the pre-existence and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. He applies to Himself the very name by which God made Himself known when He undertook to redeem Israel. It was "I AM" who brought them out of the land of Egypt. It was "I AM" who died for us upon the cross. The amazing strength of the foundation of a sinner's hope appears here. Believing on Jesus we rest on divinity, on One who is God as well as man.
There is a difference in the Greek verbs here employed which we should carefully notice. The Greek for "was" is quite different from the Greek for "am." It is as if our Lord said, "Before Abraham has born, I have an existence individual and eternal." "22

Luther, like Augustine before him, wrote in no uncertain terms:

"The Lord Christ is angry below the surface and says: "Do you want to know who I am? I am God, and that in the fullest sense. Do as you please. If you do not believe that I am He, then you are nothing, and you must die in your sin." No prophet, apostle, or evangelist may proclaim and say: "Believe in God, and also believe that I am God; otherwise you are damned." "23

A.T. Robertson certainly did not see any linguistic problems here:

I am (ego eimi). Undoubtedly here Jesus claims eternal existence with the absolute phrase used of God. The contrast between genesthai (entrance into existence of Abraham) and eimi (timeless being) is complete. See the same contrast between en in 1:1 and egeneto in 1:14. See the contrast also in Psa. 90:2 between God (ei, art) and the mountains (genethenai)."24

And finally, William Hendrickson put it rather bluntly:

"The "I am" here (8:58) reminds one of the "I am" in 8:24. Basically, the same thought is expressed in both passages; namely, that Jesus is God!"25
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See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. 22If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you.

Can angels forgive, or is this angel someone much closer to God?
 Quoting: puredreaming


"the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the ANGELS."
Matthew 13:39

"I sent YOU to reap"
John 4:38


"For if you forgive other people when they sin against you, your heavenly Father will also forgive you."
Matthew 6:15
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you are calling G-d a liar... but YOU are the liar.
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Can you control the fountain of bile that billows from your soul incessantly against God-minded people...
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It is out of love that Christ uttered John 8:24. We would do well to heed His words
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Should you kill them for God?
Are they so evil because you are so good?
Are you a follower of Mohammad or the God of Israel?!
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Is. 43:10: hina pisteusete ... hoti ego eimi
Jn. 13:19: hina pisteusete ... hoti ego eimi
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Should you kill them for God?
Are they so evil because you are so good?
Are you a follower of Mohammad or the God of Israel?!
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We in christ are not to kill anyone
We preach the good news of peace with God through forgiveness of sins by the Blood of the Messiah Jesus
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The Septuagint translates the Hebrew phrase ani hu as ego eimi in Isaiah 41:4, 43:10 and 46:4. In each of these instances the phrase ani hu appears at the end of the clause, and is so rendered (or punctuated) in the LXX (just as in these seven examples in John). The phrase ego eimi appears as the translation of a few other phrases in Isaiah as well that are significant to this discussion. It translates the Hebrew anoki anoki hu as ego eimi in 43:25 and 51:12. Once (52:6) ani hu is translated as ego eimi autos (basically an even more emphasized form). And once (45:18) we find ego eimi kurios for ani Yahweh! This last passage is provocative in that it is in the context of creation, an act ascribed to Jesus by John (John 1:3) and other New Testament writers (Colossians 1:16-17, Hebrews 1:2-3).

The usage of ani hu by Isaiah is as a euphemism for the very name of God Himself. Some see a connection between ani hu and Yahweh as both referring to being. 15 That it carried great weight with the Jews is seen in 8:59 and their reaction to the Lord's usage of the phrase. If one wishes to say that Jesus was not speaking Greek, but Aramaic, the difficulty is not removed, for the identification would have been just that much clearer!
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Zechariah 12:10 And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one who mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

Zechariah 12:11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of Meggido.

Zechariah 12:12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself; the family of the house of David by itself; and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves;

Okay, whom did they pierce? Who will they mourn for? I want to hear the Jewish explanation of this!
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I am waiting.
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He's not responding. Probably waiting for a credit card number, a bitcoin or something.
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The silence is deafening.
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More personal attacks. We were discussing an angel. Why don't you explain to me why Jacob could see Gods face and live, and Moses would die if he saw Gods face.

Its earlier in the thread, and Israel couldnt answer except call me a liar.
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Jacob saw an angel.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jacob called him God.
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He called him elohim. And that elohim was an angel. If you had even one grain of desire for the truth you would learn what that means.

In the womb he grasped his brother's heel; as a man he struggled with God (elohim) He struggled with the angel ( Mal'ak) and overcame him; he wept and begged for his favor. Hosea 12:3-4
 Quoting: Monotheism


Elohim can be used for God too, why you stop there in Hosea?

He found him at Bethel

and talked with him there—

5the Lord God Almighty,

the Lord is his name!
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good,,, you agree its not jesus, because Judah was laid waste after jesus.
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But Israel reached out his right hand and put it on Ephraim’s head, though he was the younger, and crossing his arms, he put his left hand on Manasseh’s head, even though Manasseh was the firstborn.

15Then he blessed Joseph and said,

“May the God before whom my fathers

Abraham and Isaac walked faithfully,

the God who has been my shepherd

all my life to this day,

16the Angel who has delivered me from all harm

—may he bless these boys.

May they be called by my name

and the names of my fathers Abraham and Isaac,

and may they increase greatly

on the earth.”

Why did Israel ask God and the Angel to bless Joseph's children? Was Israel an idolater? Or maybe God and the Angel are very close to each other.
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G-d told moses "I SHALL BE, whatever I SHALL BE"

and I SHALL BE WITH YOU when you go to the Israelites.

its very stupid if jesus said before Abraham I SHALL BE
but that's understandable the greeks who authored the NT were stupid, or just wretched liars.
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The spirit of Antichrist...
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4The word of the Lord came to me, saying,

5“Before I formed you in the womb I knewa you,

before you were born I set you apart;

I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

6“Alas, Sovereign Lord,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am too young.”

Its interesting the word of the Lord comes to Jeremiah, and Jeremiah calls the word Sovereign Lord. Kinda like the Word in Johns Gospel.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
 Quoting: puredreaming


THE CHILD BORN UNTO US
THE SON THAT IS GIVEN
SHALL BE CALLED
WONDERFUL
COUNSELLOR
THE EVERLASTING FATHER
THE MIGHTY GOD
THE PRINCE OF PEACE.

AND SO WE HAVE PEACE WITH GOD THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS THE MESSIAH
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that I expose liars.
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Jesus Christ Yeshua HaMashiach IS TRUTH.

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Do you know why He says I will cause to grow up to David? The Branch is the 144,000. I was told they are all descendants of David by the Holy Spirit.
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So you think. So you believe. So you say.

Every man is right in his own eyes.

Of course God told you..
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Everything every man says God told me is true, right?
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4The word of the Lord came to me, saying,

5“Before I formed you in the womb I knewa you,

before you were born I set you apart;

I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

6“Alas, Sovereign Lord,” I said, “I do not know how to speak; I am too young.”

Its interesting the word of the Lord comes to Jeremiah, and Jeremiah calls the word Sovereign Lord. Kinda like the Word in Johns Gospel.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcomea it.

The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
 Quoting: puredreaming


or maybe... the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah explaining that G-d formed Jeremiah in his mother's womb.

but Christians want to lie... because they are liars.
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And Jeremiah is having a conversation with the word.

Then the Lord reached out his hand and touched my mouth and said to me, “I have put my words in your mouth. 10See, today I appoint you over nations and kingdoms to uproot and tear down, to destroy and overthrow, to build and to plant.”

This person Jeremiah is talking with reaches out and touches him.
 Quoting: puredreaming


I think people with half a brain can understand that you desperately need a brain.

jeremiah is having a conversation with the LORD through words, not conversation with a word that touched his mouth.

Christians... liars.
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LOL, The irony.

Jesus speaking to the Jews.

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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We should all believe and obey everything every man says God told me, right?!





GLP