Poll. How many Christians know Paul was a liar?

That's John's Jesus , what does Matt , Mark , and Luke's Jesus have to say ?

The a infold wisdom of God is given to the church via the Holy SPRIIT
THE WHOLE TRUTH IS GIVEN
THAT WE ARE SAVED BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST ALONE BY THE GRACE OF GOD IN JESUS CHRIST
The GOSPELS GIVE WITNESS OF THE LIFE DEAD AND RESURRECTION OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR JESUS CHRIST
PAUL AND ALL THE APOSTLES TAUGHT IT IS BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN JESUS CHRIDT THE SON OF GOD THAT WE ARE SAVED

AND JESUS HIMSELF SAID THE SAME.

He died because that is the only thing that the Jews at the time could have done if they wished to stay true to the Torah, duh. He repeatedly blasphemed the commandments, claimed authority over them, compared himself/said he was a partner to the Most High etc. It also says in the Hebrew Bible that sometimes a man/prophet is sent from above to test people. If the man blasphemes against the Law while claiming to follow it and/or his prophecies are false, he should be killed.

Consider the following:

You give a group of people a set of laws. Some time later, you send a person to that group to test them. And the less they keep the laws, the more you praise and reward them. Does this make sense? Certainly not. Why would you give them the laws and then be upset that they keep what was commanded to them?

John's Jesus . Scholars date GOJ to around 90 Ad it's the Latest Gospel

If you want to trust something written by Who knows who it ain't Zjohn he'd be dead by then go ahead

Mark Written around 65 as is the better bet and it's salvation message is obey the commandments

Mark 10:17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

18 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 19 You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’[d]”

20 “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

Also note the Gospel of Mark portrays a Human Not even fully Good Jesus

MATTHEW
Confessing Christ
(Luke 12:8-12)

FEAR GOD ALONE
Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows........

THEREFORE

32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven . 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

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MATTHEW
Confessing Christ
(Luke 12:8-12)

FEAR GOD ALONE
Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows........

THEREFORE

32Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven . 33But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

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Therefore | Definition of Therefore by Merriam-Webster
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1a : for that reason : consequentlyb : because of thatc : on that ground. 2 : to that end. See therefore defined for English-language learners. See therefore defined ...

Receiving and rejecting CHRIST
PAUL CONFESSED CHRIST

MATTHEW

The Reward of Service
(2 Kings 4:8-17)

40He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 41He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. 42And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
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Then you put Jesus Between you and G-d . Meanwhile G-d says to have no mediators .

Again this is later theology . First Jesus was man , not all that important no virgin birth no mediator just pointing people to G-d then he became What Matthew and Luke said then In John he's Some Demi god

The synoptic gospels
I.e Matthew Mark and Luke
Agree with Johns Gospel
For thry all make clear that is you confess JESUS YOU ARE SAVED
FOR THE SYNOPTIC GOSPELS MAKE CLEAR THAT JESUS CAME TO SAVE PEOPLE FRON SIN AND WAS SO NAMED JESUS
THE SYNOPTIC GOSPELS
ALSO MAKE CLEAR THAT THOSE WHO CONFEES JESUS CHRIST TO MEN OR BEFORE THEM HAVE GODS SALVATION

IF YOU REJECT JESUS AND SO REHECT THOSE WHO CONFESS HIM
YOU ARE REJECTING GOD THE SAVIOUR

FOR EVERYONE WHO CALLS UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED

JUST AS PAUL PREACHED

IT IS BY THE GRACE OF OUR LORD JESUS WE SAVED THROUGH FAITH IN HIS NAME.

Not so , as I have pointed out Mark the Oldest Gospel( which even it is 35 years after Jesus died ) says Works following commandments is the way to Eternal life .

Also Mark has no virgin birth , has Jesus being baptized for Repentance and has him Saying G-d forsook him on the cross

The synoptic Gospels explain what God expects of men
In other words He expects a righteousness in attitude and behaviour that exceeds the Pharisees and teachers of the law

But the revelation is WE ARE SAVED BY THE GRACE OF OUR LIRD JESUS BECAUSE WE CONFESS HIM AS THE MESSIAH THE SON IF GOD AND SO HE AS THE MESSIAH THE GREAT HIGH PRIEST
CONFESSES US BEFORE GOD
CONFESSES US AS GODS PEOPLE

So
I say to all

believe in the lord jesus the son of God the christ and you shall be saved

To play the devil's advocate - why?

Jesus: Let me in!
You: Why?
Jesus: Because of what I will do to you if you do not let me in.

Unfounded faith is misguided. I am trying to get you to understand and explain WHY you believe and WHY you think that man was the Son of G-d?

Ok lets look at MARK

1The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;

ASK YOURSELF THIS
IF JESUS ONLY CANE TO PREACH THE LAW
WHAT IS GOID NEWS.?


The kingdom of heaven

Jesus Preaches in Galilee
(Isaiah 9:1-7; Matthew 4:12-17; Luke 4:14-15)

14Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.


RECOGNISING THE SON OF GOD IS THE CHRIST


Whose Son is the Christ?
(Matthew 22:41-46; Luke 20:41-44)

35And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?

36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

37David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

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HE WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD
SHALL BE SAVED,
No mention of LAW WORKS SAVING MEN


The Great Commission
(Matthew 28:16-20)

14Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. 15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

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ALL MARKS GOOD NEWS OF JESUS THE MESSIAH
THE SON OF GOD

Because G-D says so in the law and the prophets
And because GOD SPOKE FROM JESUS MOUTH
EVERY WORD WAS GOD

Gods wrath is coming

The synoptic Gospels explain what God expects of men
In other words He expects a righteousness in attitude and behaviour that exceeds the Pharisees and teachers of the law

But the revelation is WE ARE SAVED BY THE GRACE OF OUR LIRD JESUS BECAUSE WE CONFESS HIM AS THE MESSIAH THE SON IF GOD AND SO HE AS THE MESSIAH THE GREAT HIGH PRIEST
CONFESSES US BEFORE GOD
CONFESSES US AS GODS PEOPLE

Lol mark 16 ends at verse 9

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He answered them, I have told you already, and ye did not hear: wherefore would ye hear it again? will ye also be his disciples?
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Well i am afraid you will it actually doesn't
Go online and see what God commanded

The Parable of the Wicked Tenants
(Matthew 21:33-46; Luke 20:9-18)

1And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. 2And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. 3And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty. 4And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled. 5And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some. 6Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. 7But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. 8And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. 9What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.

10And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

11This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Peter's Confession of Christ
(Matthew 16:13-20; Luke 9:18-20; John 6:66-71)

27And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? 28And they answered, John the Baptist: but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. 29And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. 30And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.




12And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.

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I want you to go on google and type in oldest manuscrips of mark

Or to make it easier on you just click the link
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No need just read this
All you are talking about is the oldest manuscript available which had the end missing
It WAS IN THE ORIGINAL
BIT YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THAT




The Parable of the Wicked Tenants
(Matthew 21:33-46; Luke 20:9-18)

1And he began to speak unto them by parables. A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country. 2And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard. 3And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty. 4And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled. 5And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some. 6Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. 7But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours. 8And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard. 9What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.

10And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

11This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Peter's Confession of Christ
(Matthew 16:13-20; Luke 9:18-20; John 6:66-71)

27And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? 28And they answered, John the Baptist: but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. 29And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. 30And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.




12And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way.

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From the article

The problem with the Gospel of Mark for the final editors of the New Testament was that it was grossly deficient. First it is significantly shorter than the other Gospels–with only 16 chapters compared to Matthew (28), Luke (24) and John (21). But more important is how Mark begins his Gospel and how he ends it.

He has no account of the virgin birth of Jesus–or for that matter, any birth of Jesus at all. In fact, Joseph, husband of Mary, is never named in Mark’s Gospel at all–and Jesus is called a “son of Mary,” see my previous post on this here. But even more significant is Mark’s strange ending. He has no appearances of Jesus following the visit of the women on Easter morning to the empty tomb!

Like the other three Gospels Mark recounts the visit of Mary Magdalene and her companions to the tomb of Jesus early Sunday morning. Upon arriving they find the blocking stone at the entrance of the tomb removed and a young man–notice–not an angel–tells them:

“Do not be alarmed. You seek Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has risen; he is not here. See the place where they laid him. But go, tell his disciples and Peter that he is going before you to Galilee. There you will see him, just as he told you.” And they went out and fled from the tomb, for trembling and astonishment had seized them, and they said nothing (Mark 16:6-8)

And there the Gospel simply ends!

Mark gives no accounts of anyone seeing Jesus as Matthew, Luke, and John later report. In fact, according to Mark, any future epiphanies or “sightings” of Jesus will be in the north, in Galilee, not in Jerusalem.

MARK


Whose Son is the Christ?
(Matthew 22:41-46; Luke 20:41-44)

35And Jesus answered and said, while he taught in the temple, How say the scribes that Christ is the Son of David?

36For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

37David therefore himself calleth him Lord; and whence is he then his son? And the common people heard him gladly.

Beware of the Scribes
(Luke 20:45-47)

38And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces, 39And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts: 40Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

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MARKS gospel was give to YOU JEWS
BUT YOU REJECT ITS MERCY

Your Jesus is all but merciful

Believe in me even tho there is no proof or I burn you forever

I wonder what purpose you have in asking such a basic question? Can I ask you what time the 3:00 parade starts? You Paulist want to create this fictional idea that because Christ came to provide a way of salvation that all men are entitled to forgiveness based on some mental acceptance of that sacrifice. When the very teaching of that sacrificed completely destroys Sauls doctrine.

The Messiah will have a Jewish (human) father from the Tribe of Joseph, specifically Ephraim, he will build the final temple, he will bring peace to all over the world and so on. JC did not fullfill any of these things, thus he must be classified as a failed messiah by this metric.

And yes, I know what you are going to say - that he is going to fulfill these things LATER, during the Second Coming. But is not that a cop out?

You: Jesus, prove to me that you are the Messiah.
Jesus: Sure, what miracle do you want?
You: Peace all over the world!
Jesus: Ah, I will do it the next time I am around :)

and disappears for 2000 years.

Yes, it all begins with that. Is this verse in your bible also?

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?