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The pre trib rapture isn't biblical!! There is noting in the bible the confirms a pre trib rapture!!

 
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The pre trib rapture isn't biblical!! There is noting in the bible the confirms a pre trib rapture!!
Get over it and be prepared for the worst!!
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Get over it and be prepared for the worst!!
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Get over it and be prepared for the worst!!
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u can argue pro or con on this one....all day long, but the prepare part I like...
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Trinity of God is not biblical either, ppl just don´t care about the truth. Let blind lead the blind.
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u can argue pro or con on this one....all day long, but the prepare part I like...
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The only way to prepare is to put your faith in Jesus.
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I'll do that........JUST BECAUSE you say so!

Gosh, thanks. I guess I have been reading the Bible wrong all these years.

You are a genius OP! afro
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u can argue pro or con on this one....all day long, but the prepare part I like...
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The only way to prepare is to put your faith in Jesus.
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Dah!!
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Re: The pre trib rapture isn't biblical!! There is noting in the bible the confirms a pre trib rapture!!
You know, the trinity is not "confirmed" either. It is inferred and only realized with careful study of the Bible. It takes more than a cursory glance.

There are definitely two seperate comings of Christ. In the first He comes when everything is basically normal, and it teaches that there will be two in the field, one will be taken and the other not, two asleep, one taken and one not. It also says that the Bride is not meant for wrath, and that the AC cannot be revealed until the Holy Spirit, ie restrainer, is removed, and born again Christian's are indwelled with the Holy Spirit and the Bible teaches that it will never leave us.

So believe it or not, but please don't just listen to bad teaching and be ignorant. Study.
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Get over it and be prepared for the worst!!
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Read em and repent before it's to late!

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The verses are being used out of context!!
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You know, the trinity is not "confirmed" either. It is inferred and only realized with careful study of the Bible. It takes more than a cursory glance.

There are definitely two seperate comings of Christ. In the first He comes when everything is basically normal, and it teaches that there will be two in the field, one will be taken and the other not, two asleep, one taken and one not. It also says that the Bride is not meant for wrath, and that the AC cannot be revealed until the Holy Spirit, ie restrainer, is removed, and born again Christian's are indwelled with the Holy Spirit and the Bible teaches that it will never leave us.

So believe it or not, but please don't just listen to bad teaching and be ignorant. Study.
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Agreed.

Not to mention that the Cross loses ALL meaning if the Bride of Christ is to be subjected to the wrath of God, which Christ fully took on the Cross when God turned His back for a moment. It was kinda.....uh.......the whole point.

However, there are many who speak without having studied the text. Or, as you put it, (paraphrasing) speak out of ignorance. Further, the truth of the matter is right there and available for anyone to see. That makes it willful ignorance as I see it. If I had a dime for every person who says the rapture will not happen before the tribulation...........
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Thread: The Separation - The Logistics of 'The Lift' (aka Rapture). Escaping Death.
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I'm glad you clarified that you were talking about a pre-trib rapture. The rapture (or harpazo in the greek which means caught up for the goofballs who want to argue rapture isn't in the bible) will occur and is biblical, however the pre-trib rapture is an element of a futurist eschatology. The futurist eschatology was based on Jesuit teachings (Ribera & Bellarmine) to obscure the truth that the papacy is the anti-christ by pushing the appearance of the anti-christ into the future. This is the second prong in a two-prong strategy of papal protection with the first being preterist eschatology which puts the arrival (and defeat of the anti-christ) into the past. The Jesuits are the enemies of the Christian Protestant faith. Keep in mind that the Vatican kept scripture from the common people and tried to control the information contained in the written word of God so they could control people and setup a false hybrid religion that blended Christianity with Pagan idolatry.

All that said, I think it is possible to have a wrong view of eschatology and still be a saved and devoted follower of Jesus Christ. However, I would suggest that you do some research and learn more about the apostasy of the Roman Catholic Church as the pope will be forming a One World Religion and has already taken steps in a ecumenical movement to gather all faiths to the Catholic Church. If it were possible, even the elect will be fooled into believing this apostasy. You also owe it to yourself to know more about how the Jesuits have infiltrated the Protestant church as their oaths direct them.

Be ready for the persecution that begins soon my brothers and sisters, and don't fear it. The only suffering that can be brought against us is what God himself allows and our suffering will produce holiness in us and glory for Jesus Christ the Son of God.

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u can argue pro or con on this one....all day long, but the prepare part I like...
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The only way to prepare is to put your faith in Jesus.
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You better abandon your paganism, is the way. There is no trinity of God.
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Re: The pre trib rapture isn't biblical!! There is noting in the bible the confirms a pre trib rapture!!
The more I see threads like this pushing an idea, the less I believe in them. I used to think the rapture depended upon certain events which had to be unlocked according to God's timeline, independently from the different stances, namely pre, mid, or post trib.
Now I believe it will take place in complete disagreement with desperate threads like this one. Yup, thanks to people like the op here, now I am a full believer in the pre-trib stance.
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The more I see threads like this pushing an idea, the less I believe in them. I used to think the rapture depended upon certain events which had to be unlocked according to God's timeline, independently from the different stances, namely pre, mid, or post trib.
Now I believe it will take place in complete disagreement with desperate threads like this one. Yup, thanks to people like the op here, now I am a full believer in the pre-trib stance.
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I'm not desperate! That fact is the pre-tribulation is on in scripture!
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The more I see threads like this pushing an idea, the less I believe in them. I used to think the rapture depended upon certain events which had to be unlocked according to God's timeline, independently from the different stances, namely pre, mid, or post trib.
Now I believe it will take place in complete disagreement with desperate threads like this one. Yup, thanks to people like the op here, now I am a full believer in the pre-trib stance.
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I'm not desperate! That fact is the pre-tribulation is on in scripture!
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There are clues as to know when Jesus will meet His bride. To me, that is enough. I could care less whether they are pre, mid or post. Irrelevant. What matters is that we're saved and He comes to look for us when He considers the time is right.
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Get over it and be prepared for the worst!!
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Read em and repent before it's to late!

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The verses are being used out of context!!
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All 250 reasons? Really? You have failed to rightly divide Gods Word. Especially in Matthew you need to study where the Lord is speaking to the Jew and when He is addressing the Church. You see the Church had not yet come forth so what is spoken has little to do with it!
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The more I see threads like this pushing an idea, the less I believe in them. I used to think the rapture depended upon certain events which had to be unlocked according to God's timeline, independently from the different stances, namely pre, mid, or post trib.
Now I believe it will take place in complete disagreement with desperate threads like this one. Yup, thanks to people like the op here, now I am a full believer in the pre-trib stance.
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I'm not desperate! That fact is the pre-tribulation is on in scripture!
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There are clues as to know when Jesus will meet His bride. To me, that is enough. I could care less whether they are pre, mid or post. Irrelevant. What matters is that we're saved and He comes to look for us when He considers the time is right.
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Amen brother! ...we know that in ALL things God works for the good of those that love Him and are called according to His purpose.

Be prepared to be led like a lamb to the slaughter and to suffer in the name of Jesus, because our suffering won't be worth comparing to the glory that will be revealed in us through Christ.
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Get over it and be prepared for the worst!!
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OP is right. Sequence and timing is in the initial posts on this thread. Download the document linked in the posts about the rapture and you will see so many scriptural proofs that the rapture is in the 8th year after the 7 years - post-trib, pre-wrath.
Thread: Rapture Harpazo is 40 days into the Day of the Lord.
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... we are in the GREAT TRIBULATION right now ...
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... have been in it since Yeshua returned to The Father ...
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... next up is the WRATH of the LAMB - Seal 6 when The Great Tribulation ends ...
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... and then the WRATH of YHVH in the 7 vials of trumpet 7 of Seal 7 ...
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The more I see threads like this pushing an idea, the less I believe in them. I used to think the rapture depended upon certain events which had to be unlocked according to God's timeline, independently from the different stances, namely pre, mid, or post trib.
Now I believe it will take place in complete disagreement with desperate threads like this one. Yup, thanks to people like the op here, now I am a full believer in the pre-trib stance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71331358


I'm not desperate! That fact is the pre-tribulation is on in scripture!
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There are clues as to know when Jesus will meet His bride. To me, that is enough. I could care less whether they are pre, mid or post. Irrelevant. What matters is that we're saved and He comes to look for us when He considers the time is right.
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Amen brother! ...we know that in ALL things God works for the good of those that love Him and are called according to His purpose.

Be prepared to be led like a lamb to the slaughter and to suffer in the name of Jesus, because our suffering won't be worth comparing to the glory that will be revealed in us through Christ.
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I agree. I used to be a big believer in a pre-trib rapture. For me, I don't fault anyone for believing this because I don't think it's a salvation issue. But I think we have to concentrate more of Jesus and Him being with us in every situation day to day than being whisked away. Ultimately the dead in Christ rise first so.... My Mom is one of those, along with many friends and relatives. I find many have this attitude of "I told you so" when it happens and they are left behind. They are more concerned about being right. Who cares...? The most important thing is drawing close to Jesus every day. To realize that His kingdom is not of this world. I feel like the Rapture has proved to be more of a distraction than anything else. The Lord wants us to have a ready heart to meet Him every day. We could get hit by a car tomorrow do when you get down to it- how we leave this world doesn't really matter- whether we float up to him in the air or die in a nursing home or die in some freak accident. The point is that you are ready to meet Him at ANY TIME. I think you can believe in the Rapture but yet not truly be ready to meet Him. It certainly not a salvation issue. But I certainly believe you have to be ready to meet your maker every single day. I know that I am not perfect but I am saved. If I am wrong about the Rapture, our God is big enough to forgive me. I'm only human. The one thing I WILL do that Jesus himself instructs is to pray to escape the time of trial that is to come upon the earth. I can get behind that. The trib is going to be horrific. More than any of us can fathom. So if Jesus tells us to pray for that- I'm going to do that. Is it bad to pray to not be a martyr? Obviously Jesus doesn't think so. I pray that for my family as well.
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You know, the trinity is not "confirmed" either. It is inferred and only realized with careful study of the Bible. It takes more than a cursory glance.

There are definitely two seperate comings of Christ. In the first He comes when everything is basically normal, and it teaches that there will be two in the field, one will be taken and the other not, two asleep, one taken and one not. It also says that the Bride is not meant for wrath, and that the AC cannot be revealed until the Holy Spirit, ie restrainer, is removed, and born again Christian's are indwelled with the Holy Spirit and the Bible teaches that it will never leave us.

So believe it or not, but please don't just listen to bad teaching and be ignorant. Study.
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Agreed.

Not to mention that the Cross loses ALL meaning if the Bride of Christ is to be subjected to the wrath of God, which Christ fully took on the Cross when God turned His back for a moment. It was kinda.....uh.......the whole point.

However, there are many who speak without having studied the text. Or, as you put it, (paraphrasing) speak out of ignorance. Further, the truth of the matter is right there and available for anyone to see. That makes it willful ignorance as I see it. If I had a dime for every person who says the rapture will not happen before the tribulation...........
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Mark 13 points to a tribulation for believers, then the abomination of desolation, then Rapture, then wrath for nonbelievers.

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5Jesus said to them: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 6Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many. 7When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 8Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the beginning of birth pains.

9“You must be on your guard. You will be handed over to the local councils and flogged in the synagogues. On account of me you will stand before governors and kings as witnesses to them. 10And the gospel must first be preached to all nations. 11Whenever you are arrested and brought to trial, do not worry beforehand about what to say. Just say whatever is given you at the time, for it is not you speaking, but the Holy Spirit.

12“Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 13Everyone will hate you because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.

14“When you see ‘the abomination that causes desolation’a standing where itb does not belong—let the reader understand—then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15Let no one on the housetop go down or enter the house to take anything out. 16Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 17How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 18Pray that this will not take place in winter, 19because those will be days of distress unequaled from the beginning, when God created the world, until now—and never to be equaled again.

20“If the Lord had not cut short those days, no one would survive. But for the sake of the elect, whom he has chosen, he has shortened them. 21At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘Look, there he is!’ do not believe it. 22For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.

24“But in those days, following that distress,

“ ‘the sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

25the stars will fall from the sky,

and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’c

26“At that time people will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory. 27And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

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Big difference in the tribulation and God's wrath. Jesus comes for the rapture between the two events, in an instant, when the sun and Moon are darkened. He's coming after the tribulation, but before the wrath is poured out on the unsaved
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this isn't a salvation issue and shouldn't be used to divide the church. its a secondary church issue that can be discussed as long as it doesn't cause a stumbling block in its projection.
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Now having read Mark 13, now read The Revelation to John 6.

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7When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.

9When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,e were killed just as they had been.

12I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and everyone else, both slave and free, hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide usf from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of theirg wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
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OP you are right. Period.
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The 4th Seal:
Death kills 1/4 in the Tribulation.

The 5th Seal:
I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. 10They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” 11Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters,e were killed just as they had been.

Some believers die during the Tribulation.

The 6th Seal:
There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red, 13and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind.

Just like Mark 13

Then Rapture

Then Wrath for the unbeliever:
16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide usf from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of theirg wrath has come, and who can withstand it?”
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Here's why it matters, if you prepare, then your family might survive. If you think a pre-Trib rapture happens, then you probably are not preparing.





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